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Good, Daniel Snyder has the money. Some of you are acting like the money is coming out of your pockets.

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Sounds like it's really 5 years, $40M. That's the guaranteed money.

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Obviously, quarterbacks naturally get the biggest dough, but even so, he now has more guaranteed money than Haynesworth.

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[quote=44ever;758367]I do, I do. Im glad he's on the team. I've been a McNabb fan since college. We do need him to get our team to the next level. He is due for a SB![/quote]

There you go my man lol Sounds better.. I hear what you were saying, the Money seems stupid BUT the guy has 2-3 more Years at a high level IMO.

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LINK:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5809694]Source: Donovan McNabb gets 5-year, $78M extension - ESPN[/url]

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DM is a pretty damn good qb. He's no Manning or Brady, but he's pretty good. We could do alot worse.

Maybe if he had an oline that was worth a sh**, I'd listen to the criticism. He's made the best this year out of a terrible oline.

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[quote=diehard;758369]I'm beginning to hate this team.[/quote]

Cmon diehard, Chill out.. If 5 has 250 and 2 Tds tonight in a win you wont hate them.

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Also, we're due for more years of suck until the general fan populace is sufficiently humbled and realizes that we need another year of purging so we can have a glorious future. Peyton Manning is the greatest thing ever to happen to Indy, but it took them having one year where they were the bottow-dwellers of the league to get him.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;758370]Good, Daniel Snyder has the money. Some of you are acting like the money is coming out of your pockets.[/quote]

Your sentiments were echoed by some about Haynesworth as well.

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It's very easy to second guess this decision, because it is a gamble. He won't perform like an 80 million dollar qb if we don't give him a good offensive line in front of him, and the interior of our line right now is pretty bad.

This could be a great thing for us, make no mistake, but we do have to acknowledge the risk we're taking here. We are locking him up for multiple years which is a good thing imo, but since he hasn't proven himself yet in our system we don't know whether this will work out.

And make no mistake, if he continues to perform badly this will only put more negative attention on the Redskins. This will answer the doubts about him staying here long term but more important questions remain.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;758359]Say what you guys want,but is the BEST move we could have made.

We have invested 2 draft picks in this guy for a 2nd and (3rd or 4th rounder)

Now Shanahan can draft his future and Redskins future prospect whoever that will be and groom him behind McNabb.

Instead of losing him to Free Agency and finding a way to fill the QB position and waiting for him to learn the offense or Sexy Rexy being our starter,we can now look to address the O-line,WR and what other positions of need in upcoming seasons.

GREAT JOB BRUCE!!
HTTR[/quote]

I agree with this..I personally don't give a crap how much we pay a player as much as how long they are reasonably under contract.
5 years is perfect for McNabb...I see 2-3 years starting and 2-3 years backup with some sort of restructure for years 4-5...It looks like McNabb will end his career with us after all....and that is a very good thing.
I am sure an older McNabb will certainly be as effective as an older Brunell.
It seemed to work pretty well with Brunell and Campbell....but before you guys kill me....odds are the parallel future combo of McNabb and young QB yet to be determined will be far more effective....especially assuming our oline and aggressive playcalling improves over the next year or two.

This also says a lot about Shanny's future....he is going to stick with McNabb for at least this year and next and probably 1 phase out year.
That means Shanny has no plans to bail for at least 3 years...depending on how effective our new young QB pans out.
Of course, I may be reading a bit much into this but I see this move as an AWESOME MOVE.

Ya gotta finish what you started...and the skins just did that with McNabb.
Don't worry...McNabb always responds well....he is a pro and an offensive leader...I expect him to play well tonight and going forward....regardless of the oline. A win would be a nice suprise to me tonight....as we have major issues on both lines and Vick is on fire.

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[quote=skin4Life28;758355]Big trainwreck waiting to happen. Any sane Skins fan cannot be happy with this contract. 5 years???? Of course I only see him playing 2-3 years of that then being cut, but damn this is another bonehead front office move.[/quote]


I really don't like to extension but what was plan B? Go with Grossman? I would've kept Campbell and kept the draft picks....but that's me.

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Hey, at least he knows he's loved :grouphug:

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[quote=redsk1;758375]DM is a pretty damn good qb. He's no Manning or Brady, but he's pretty good. We could do alot worse.

Maybe if he had an oline that was worth a sh**, I'd listen to the criticism. He's made the best this year out of a terrible oline.[/quote]

Technically, the OL only played bad in the Detroit game (Green Bay might be the other exception). The other games they've held up quite well in the pass-pro considering who they've played. It was McNabb that was constantly throwing dirt balls and over throwing Galloway. To pin this all on the OL is laughable at best. Beyond the Houston game, he's not shown very much in terms of good QB play. Even in that game, the second half he was off.

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Come on redskins fans! Got damn! We cry to get a good QB and now we got one and all we do is cry cry cry cry! I would give this type of money to a guy who is proven and not some rookie QB! Its only 8 million per yr. Let's get behind our team and organiztion and have faith! HTTR!!!

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[quote=Shadowbyte;758370]Good, Daniel Snyder has the money. Some of you are acting like the money is coming out of your pockets.[/quote]


$$$ I could care less about it the fact we are stuck with him for the next 2 or 3 years. We will see maybe it is a blessing.

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[quote=Mattyk;758362]Nice, so much for the racist talk eh?

Let's see how the numbers are structured before we get too crazy.[/quote]

That self important kid's book author should stick to speculating on golf. If all else fails, bring race up to make yourself relevant again.

Very excited about this deal for Donovan. Very excited for the team. A true leader, a true quarterback. And now, he, and everyone else KNOWS this is his team.

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[quote=luvthemskins1975;758387]Come on redskins fans! Got damn! We cry to get a good QB and now we got one and all we do is cry cry cry cry! I would give this type of money to a guy who is proven and not some rookie QB! Its only 8 million per yr. Let's get behind our team and organiztion and have faith! HTTR!!![/quote]

Apparently, the Redskins have been mediocre enough for the past decade that slightly above average is now worth paying elite money for. There's a whole host of QBs I'd take over McNabb(not Jason Campbell, btw).

And faith alone ain't going to win football games. In our glory years, we also had the tangible aspect down. Those teams had talent to go along with the coaching, etc. The current regieme has stymied us with a win now gamble in which they have only 3 years to reasonably expect their gamble to succeed.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;758373]There you go my man lol Sounds better.. I hear what you were saying, the Money seems stupid BUT the guy has 2-3 more Years at a high level IMO.[/quote]

Actually if you followed the Eagles which I did for 2 reasons,
1 obviously because he's a Syracuse product.
2 One of my brothers is a die hard Eagles fan.

Once the Eagles get into the playoffs they start to call a very conservative game. It's actually not all DM's fault that he's a different QB in Big games. Even though I am not a Eagles fan it was still frustrating to watch DM's game get taken out of his hands and watch him frustrated.

Once he's frustrated he throws balls at the ground. Hopefully things will be different here for him. One thing I can say is when he gets hot, he's the best QB you ever seen.

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hold up....i'm hearing some people say 40 million for 5 years....and then some people say 80 million....which is it??

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[quote=SolidSnake84;758396]hold up....i'm hearing some people say 40 million for 5 years....and then some people say 80 million....which is it??[/quote]

40 mil is guaranteed. 80 million is with the incentives included. I'll bet some of those incentives are easy to reach though.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;758396]hold up....i'm hearing some people say 40 million for 5 years....and then some people say 80 million....which is it??[/quote]

40 million guaranteed. up to 88 million in incentives. We'll get details later. That's beside the point.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;758396]hold up....i'm hearing some people say 40 million for 5 years....and then some people say 80 million....which is it??[/quote]

5 years, 78 mill (max 88 mill), 40 mill guaranteed.

kjohnsoncsn Kelli Johnson
Just confirmed McNabb deal is done, as reported...5 yrs, 78 million w/40 million guaranteed. How do you turn the page on Detroit? That's how

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actions speak louder than words.

after all shanahan's ridiculous explanations for benching mcnabb and the questions ir raised, this move assured mcnabb and the rest of the players on the team that mcnabb is the teams leader. if there was any question before, there isnt now.

i like it.

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[quote=luvthemskins1975;758387]Come on redskins fans! Got damn! We cry to get a good QB and now we got one and all we do is cry cry cry cry! I would give this type of money to a guy who is proven and not some rookie QB! [B]Its only 8 million per yr.[/B] Let's get behind our team and organiztion and have faith! HTTR!!![/quote]

Only 8 mil per year? :confused: I'd love to know where that math came from. Let's do some simple math here.

78/5 = 15.6 mil per year. For the purpose of this post lets' assume the 40 mil guaranteed is going to come in the form of roster bonuses, signing bonus, etc. and divide that by 5 too. So 40 divided by 5 is 8. Add that 8 to the 15.6 and the rough sum is 23.6 mil per year.

Now we all know he's not going to see all that money, I'm assuming he'll retire at some point in this contract or take a backseat to a young up and comer (hopefully) and we'll restructure it or something, but my final sum of 23.6 mil per year is nowhere near close to the 8 mil per year you are suggesting.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;758391]Apparently, the Redskins have been mediocre enough for the past decade that slightly above average is now worth paying elite money for. There's a whole host of QBs I'd take over McNabb(not Jason Campbell, btw).

And faith alone ain't going to win football games. In our glory years, we also had the tangible aspect down. Those teams had talent to go along with the coaching, etc. The current regieme has stymied us with a win now gamble in which they have only 3 years to reasonably expect their gamble to succeed.[/quote]

That host of qb's you mentioned arent currently available, and we didn't give up 2 high draft picks for them. Fairly certain that the host your mentioning might have a combined number of pro bowls that equal McNabb. Now we have time to draft someone to learn the system behind Donovan. While we can also focus on rebuilding the team Shanahan style.

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Football outsiders (thus far)

- He's not playing all that well. By any measure. He's 25th in DVOA, has 6.3 AY/A, is completing 57% of his passes and has more INT than TD.
- He's injury-prone. The Redskins are paying him after he's been sorta healthy for eight games. Guys don't get healthy at 34.
- He had little leverage. A lockout next year takes time off of the end of his career. 2011 draft has lots of QBs. Buyer's market.
- Don't know what his compensation will be next season, but they could have franchise tagged him for $16m, and I bet it's more.
- As for idea that McNabb goes beyond his indiv. [URL="http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23s"]#s[/URL]? Redskins rank 24th in PPG after being 26th last year. Def. was 18th in 09, 13th in 2010.
- Their passing offense is 23rd in the league with a 6.1% DVOA; a year ago, they were 20th, at 7.0%, with no OL.

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[quote=mooby;758401]Only 8 mil per year? :confused: I'd love to know where that math came from. Let's do some simple math here.

78/5 = 15.6 mil per year. For the purpose of this post lets' assume the 40 mil guaranteed is going to come in the form of roster bonuses, signing bonus, etc. and divide that by 5 too. So 40 divided by 5 is 8. Add that 8 to the 15.6 and the rough sum is 23.6 mil per year.

Now we all know he's not going to see all that money, I'm assuming he'll retire at some point in this contract or take a backseat to a young up and comer (hopefully) and we'll restructure it or something, but my final sum of 23.6 mil per year is nowhere near close to the 8 mil per year you are suggesting.[/quote]

You can't add the 8 mill to the 15.6 mill.

78Mill over 5 years = 15.6 mill per year.

40 mill of the 78 is guaranteed so of the 15.6 mill per year 8 of that is guaranteed.

BUT

Chances are the bulk of the 40 is in the first few years, so probably its more weighted like 25 per year the first two years and 12.66mil the last 3 years.

Here is a link to a good article (not on the salary but the benching/extension connection)
[url=http://dcsportsradio.com/2010/11/15/the-bench-the-bank-and-in-everything-between/]The Bench, The Bank and in everything Between! « DC Sports Radio[/url]

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[quote=Monksdown;758403]That host of qb's you mentioned arent currently available, and we didn't give up 2 high draft picks for them. Fairly certain that the host your mentioning might have a combined number of pro bowls that equal McNabb. Now we have time to draft someone to learn the system behind Donovan. While we can also focus on rebuilding the team Shanahan style.[/quote]

Actually, Bradford was reachable. Had Vinny NOT bring in Mr. Bingo, we had a shot.

(See the trade of Ralph Backstrom to some defunct Oakland team in order to get Guy Lafleur as an example of this course of action being applied)

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This is probably a good move and at the right time. The organization needed to move away from all the negative headlines that's been going on for the past two weeks. This is a sign that the organization is committed to Donovan McNabb. The perfect scenario is for Donovan to throw for 300 yards and 3 touchdowns in a victory over his former team.

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[quote=Monksdown;758403]That host of qb's you mentioned arent currently available, and we didn't give up 2 high draft picks for them. Fairly certain that the host your mentioning might have a combined number of pro bowls that equal McNabb. Now we have time to draft someone to learn the system behind Donovan. While we can also focus on rebuilding the team Shanahan style.[/quote]

Giving up possibly two young guys who could have established stability at a position for over half a decade(i.e Landry and Nate Allen at safety) for someone who would be lucky to last that long is not a very sound strategy. Also, it removes the ability to sacrifice a season to target the next big QB that will be coming in the near future.

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[quote=44ever;758346]This contract is a Huge Mistake!!! DM can't play under pressure. Never has been able to.[/quote]

Damn right this is a huge mistake. How do you pay an average/above average QB anywhere near Tom Brady money? WTF are they thinking? Andy Reid is somewhere chuckling right now.

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Boy...have you guys seen the comments on espn....everyone except Redskins homers are tearing the skins apart for this move.

I guess the good thing is....Skins get ripped early then folks say I told you so....or...the Skins look like geniuses if McNabb plays to his potential.

Either way...I certainly don't equate McNabb making a big $ to a historically irratible Haynesworth. If anything....I would expect the massive questioning to be a major motivator to a probowl leader like McNabb....time will certainly tell.

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[quote=LavaRnChad;758412]Damn right this is a huge mistake. How do you pay an average/above average QB anywhere near Tom Brady money? WTF are they thinking? Andy Reid is somewhere chuckling right now.[/quote]

I was being sarcastic about the huge mistake part. But he really has not had much success under pressure. I'm actually a HUGE McNabb fan! He's worth the money and is good for the team. If we didn't pay him, someone else (Cards) would have.

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[quote=skinsnut;758414]Boy...have you guys seen the comments on espn....everyone except Redskins homers are tearing the skins apart for this move.[/quote]

Too much money for a guy on the down side of his career. If he he has a shitty game tonight, I can't wait to hear what they say tomorrow. For that kind of money I expect great games every Sunday for at least the next 2 years.

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[quote=skinsnut;758414]
Either way...I certainly don't equate McNabb making a big $ to a historically irratible Haynesworth. If anything....I would expect the massive questioning to be a major motivator to a probowl leader like McNabb....time will certainly tell.[/quote]

There is no equating going on, except that he has to produce like a top QB, just like Haynesworth has to produce like a top DT.

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Snyder has truly lost it now

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[quote=tjmorgan;758419]Snyder has truly lost it now[/quote]

What does he have to do with this?

This is Allen and Shanahan's show now.

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I hear that McNabb had to take a cardiovascular endurance test before getting the new deal.

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Regardless of the numbers this year, Donovan is not an average QB. He's a top 10 quarterback with top 5 leadership qualities operating in a new system behind a bottom 5 offensive line with a bottom 10 running back/wideout roster.

I apologize for the run on sentence, but i wanted you to read all of that at once, because that is the real reason we are struggling. And the only reason we are competitive this year is because of his leadership skills.

Is this a value laden deal for us, maybe not. But when was the last time you interviewed for a job that Bruce Allen was interviewing for?