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[quote=GTripp0012;759302]Offense is worse than last year. Defense is worse than last year. Worse team than 09?

On the other hand, special teams are much better overall. Just looking for some positives.[/quote]

The offense is better than last year. Granted, we're not converting 3rd downs any better, but we are scoring more points.

The main problem is the defense, and it's not from a lack of talent.

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[quote=Bushead;759363]I can't believe people are asking for firings and people to lose their job.

You do realize these head coaches inherited a team with NO TALENT..[/quote]

That's why we were all scratching our heads when we saw people like Santonio Holmes, T.O, Boldin, Houshmandzadeh, Marshawn Lynch, Tomlinson etc, out on the market with no real interest by the Redskins. It appeared as if the coaching staff believed they could win with what they had. Tragically, they fooled the fanbase into thinking we actually had an competitive offense also.

We need to invest money in our offense. We haven't really done that over the years, most of our investments have been in the defense. Signing McNabb is worthless without putting the right pieces around him.

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There's only one person I blame, for last nights debacle and that's [B]Jim Haslett.[/B]

When i actually have to flip my opinion, from my idea to keep Haslett,to Sir ClintonPortis in firing him and rather having Wade (sig)....you know we played bad defense.

There is just no excuse for what he did last night. Why would you run a Zone,when we played Bump & Run Man and won 17-12 last game?

I actually have no problem running the 3-4 over the 4-3...

I don't even have a problem running this scheme, when we don't have all 11 players on D who fit this 3-4 scheme...

But nothing irks me more than changing what works, into trying something else and being creative...

My actual[B] life[/B] Motto...is "[B]don't FIX IT,if it ain't broken[/B]"...Hell,I've used it as a SIG before...because I truly believe those words.

If we had got our ass kicked because we didn't know how to game plan against the eagles...that's one thing.

But to run a completely different scheme and strategy,when the one you used last time had your team up 14-0 is unacceptable.

You guys can blame Landry,McNabb,M. Shanahan..Kyle...I don't care who you blame.

Only 1 guy gets the blame from me..and that's Jim Haslett.

I'm not sure he shouldn't be fired [B]RIGHT NOW[/B] after that performance...seriously!!
And I'm not a fire a coach, in the season kinda guy at all...

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Well my car which has redskins all over it broke down and it could be the transmission, so yea I'm ****ed

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[quote=skinsfaninok;759377]Well my car which has redskins all over it broke down and it could be the transmission, so yea I'm ****ed[/quote]


Oh sorry dude! That sucks!

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[quote=aceinthehouse;759375]There's only one person I blame, for last nights debacle and that's [B]Jim Haslett.[/B]

When i actually have to flip my opinion, from my idea to keep Haslett,to Sir ClintonPortis in firing him and rather having Wade (sig)....you know we played bad defense.

There is just no excuse for what he did last night. Why would you run a Zone,when we played Bump & Run Man and won 17-12 last game?

I actually have no problem running the 3-4 over the 4-3...

I don't even have a problem running this scheme, when we don't have all 11 players on D who fit this 3-4 scheme...

But nothing irks me more than changing what works, into trying something else and being creative...

My actual[B] life[/B] Motto...is "[B]don't FIX IT,if it ain't broken[/B]"...Hell,I've used it as a SIG before...because I truly believe those words.

If we had got our ass kicked because we didn't know how to game plan against the eagles...that's one thing.

But to run a completely different scheme and strategy,when the one you used last time had your team up 14-0 is unacceptable.

You guys can blame Landry,McNabb,M. Shanahan..Kyle...I don't care who you blame.

Only 1 guy gets the blame from me..and that's Jim Haslett.

I'm not sure he shouldn't be fired [B]RIGHT NOW[/B] after that performance...seriously!!
And I'm not a fire a coach, in the season kinda guy at all...[/quote]

Good points here Ace, but IMO I think we have to give Haslett the rest of the season just to be 100% sure its not a matter of development. Yeah it was hard to say that for me but I believe its the best approach.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;759377]Well my car which has redskins all over it broke down and it could be the transmission, so yea I'm ****ed[/quote]

Wonder if it's a coincidence that it happened last night...

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[quote=saden1;759313]We are the second oldest team in the NFL...Are we destined to be a team of underachieving old farts under Snyder ownership? Every time they mention old teams on national TV the Redskins are leading the pack. I envy teams like Chiefs and Bucs. They reloaded and they can only get better with time. We got to get younger and faster.[/quote]

Yep. People laughed on here when the "rebuild" question was asked. I do feel like we need to a major overhaul. We need it. We're not as bad as we looked last night but we're not far from it.

I thought the VC era was going to take a few years to fix. It may take 5 - 10 years to fix.

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If they were going to rebuild then I think you don't bring in Shanahan. Go out and get a young coach like Morris if you're going to rebuild. Also this Jamal Brown trade seems to be a complete joke, so there's more draft picks gone for someone that's older and can't stay on the field.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;759370]That's why we were all scratching our heads when we saw people like [B]Santonio Holmes, T.O, Boldin, Houshmandzadeh, Marshawn Lynch, Tomlinson[/B] etc, out on the market with no real interest by the Redskins. It appeared as if the coaching staff believed they could win with what they had. Tragically, they fooled the fanbase into thinking we actually had an competitive offense also.

We need to invest money in our offense. We haven't really done that over the years, most of our investments have been in the defense. Signing McNabb is worthless without putting the right pieces around him.[/quote]None of the players you mentioned would have made a huge impact here given the state of the O-line. Until that unit is addressed, we will have a below average offense.

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I personally think this game told quite a bit about both the Redskins and the Eagles. First, the Eagles are ready to make a Super Bowl run. I think Vick is ready to lead them. The Eagles are loaded with weapons on offense, and the defense is playing well.

As for the Redskins, this game told a lot of ugly truths. Number one, I'm not so sure Jim Haslett is the right guy to be our DC. When Gregg Williams coached our D, he had them swarming to the ball, making tackles, doing the fundamental things right. Haslett has guys missing assignments on a regular basis, being out of position, not making tackles....I understand a lot of that is on the player, but a lot of that is on the coach to correct the fundamental problems so that they don't keep happening. Haslett hasn't been successful doing this. Again, I understand the switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4, but still, these guys are professionals, they should know enough not to ever forget fundamentals.

As for the offense, well, we have no offensive line. Other than Trent Williams, there is no reason why the other guys shouldn't take the first bus out of Washington at season's end. And the thing is, this has been a glaring problem for a few years now and has not been corrected. Joey Galloway is complete trash. At least we do know we have some promising rookies on the offensive side that can come up big for us. Anthony Armstrong is a diamond in the rough and I liked what I saw out of Keiland Williams last night.

So, basically it is as simple as this. On defense, keep Orakpo, Fletcher, and Landry, and send everybody else packing. Offense, keep Trent Williams, send the other offensive lineman packing and make sure Joey Galloway has a ride home as well.

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[quote=Coff;759369]The offense is better than last year. Granted, we're not converting 3rd downs any better, but we are scoring more points.

The main problem is the defense, and it's not from a lack of talent.[/quote]It's not really any better in any way, unless we consider this 28 point outburst to be a step in the right direction instead of a step backwards. Maybe it is a positive that just appears to be a negative. Who knows? It certainly seems like if it was a worse offense coming in (which it was), then it was worse than that coming out.

The defense has talent, but I think we're playing a lot of the wrong players. We start a number of bad players on our defense, which I think takes a unit that could be strong, and makes it mediocre at best.

I think Haslett deserves the whole season to right the ship because he shouldn't be required to bail out the offense AFTER Shanahan spend all the offseason resources putting his guys on the offensive side. This isn't like last year where Blache had all the shiny new toys and no idea how to use them. Haslett pretty much had to take last year's personnel and win with it. So now it's on him to send the losers on the defense to the bench so guys having great years like Landry, Fletcher, and Alexander can continue to shine without being overshadowed by badness.

If Haslett can't get more out of this unit, he deserves to go. But he also deserves a legitimate chance to get more out of this unit, because outside of Carriker and Kemo on the front, these aren't "his" guys. These are Vinny's guys he's trying to win with.

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[quote=SouperMeister;759391]None of the players you mentioned would have made a huge impact here given the state of the O-line. Until that unit is addressed, we will have a below average offense.[/quote]

I agree and disagree, Yes the O line SUCKS! But Vick was able to hit his receivers on the run. McNabb may not have the feet he once did but, the guy can still scramble and throw on the run. If we had more dynamic receivers we would have a more dynamic offense.

With that said, You are 100% correct about needing to address the O-line regardless.

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Oline and RB blocking was pathetic last night. McNabb had no time whatsoever. That along with AH quitting is just embarrassing.

Terrible defensive play but you can't cut the cord on Haslett just yet. Remember it's Shanny that wanted the 3-4 and told Haslett to implement it. We still don't have the right personnel but there are times we have seen shimmers of what our D can be.

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Just when you start to feel good about what AH was doing, he lays on the ground while Vick scrambles around for 10 minutes. Gotta love it.

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I wish it was possible to look at what happened last night and find a few words that would bring about a cure. This team has so many areas of deficiency, we could go on and on for days trying to put them all in some form or perspective.

Someone is eventually going to say something that hasn't already been said multiple times in describing the many things that trouble this team. It dosen't hurt as much though when you bother to keep everything in it's proper perspective from the very beginning.

In the case of MV, it's amazing what success will do for your reputation.

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I think the long and short of it is, when your team gets trashed by this much, there is something wrong with your team.

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[quote=Mattyk;759396]Just when you start to feel good about what AH was doing, he lays on the ground while Vick scrambles around for 10 minutes. Gotta love it.[/quote]As if the complete @ss -whippin' wasn't bad enough......this PoS takes a nap mid-play.....he must be moved in the off-season for whatever we can get for him, effort like that is a cancer to a team.

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Too many problems to boot:

No Offensive Line...it is absolute trash, and worse than Zorn's OL last year. Trent Williams is the only bright spot.

Defense: Jim Haslett has been a shit coach here. He needs fired at year's end.

WR: Joey Galloway is over the hill, and Moss isn't the same #1 that he used to be.

RB: We need someone good behind Torain/Williams.

QB: We have regressed, if anythign since week 1.

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[quote=mredskins;759366]i have seriously been a hard core fan for like 25 years if not for this message board and the cool folks on it I would have jumped ship in the last 3 years.

I feel like this team has no future it is just so F--ked.

I was born in Fairfax but grew up in RI (where all my family is). My dad latched o nto the skins when we lived in Fairfax we are talking 1973. So I basically cheer for all NE teams expect the Pats. [B]The Pats are looking really good right now[/B].[/quote]

They probably have a fan site see ya. Hey I found you a link.
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Honestly, the most frustrating part of this is that it made me realize how many times the Skins are on the losing side of:

"______________ hasn't been done in NFL history!"
"Well that really turned the season around for player _____________."
"Record setting day for ________________!!!!!"
"Never seen anything like this in my career!"

I assume I'm like everyone else and watch football every Thursday, Sunday and Monday and never in my life have I seen a team where: some kind of record is broken, a rookie has a coming out party or a vet in a slump gets back on track.

The only Redskins NFL records I can think of in recent memory are the least yards gained in a playoff win (Yay.) and the Monday Night Miracle MAYBE. It's just SO GD frustrating. I mean my cynicism is growing to an all-time high... Randy Moss hasn't had that great of a season, maybe this week he gets back on track with 200 yards receiving and 3 TDs? :doh:

THAT, and the third down conversion was actually laughable last night. We apparently can run plays of 2-3 yards on the first two downs, but when it comes to third, it's no gain or worse...

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The skins have been whooped bad before. The last two teams to do it were the Patriots and Giants. It happens, I am not going to blow up over this one.

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One good thing about this game is that the finish was not a nail biter.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;759418]Honestly, the most frustrating part of this is that it made me realize how many times the Skins are on the losing side of:

"______________ hasn't been done in NFL history!"
"Well that really turned the season around for player _____________."
"Record setting day for ________________!!!!!"
"Never seen anything like this in my career!"

I assume I'm like everyone else and watch football every Thursday, Sunday and Monday and never in my life have I seen a team where: some kind of record is broken, a rookie has a coming out party or a vet in a slump gets back on track.

The only Redskins NFL records I can think of in recent memory are the least yards gained in a playoff win (Yay.) and the Monday Night Miracle MAYBE. It's just SO GD frustrating. I mean my cynicism is growing to an all-time high... Randy Moss hasn't had that great of a season, maybe this week he gets back on track with 200 yards receiving and 3 TDs? :doh:

THAT, and the third down conversion was actually laughable last night. We apparently can run plays of 2-3 yards on the first two downs, but when it comes to third, it's no gain or worse...[/quote]


OMG! You forgot McNabb's record this season of the least completions by a winning QB in the first Philly game.

I mean I bring that up every time someone tries to give me sh*t about McNabb. Shuts them right up. :doh:

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[quote=mredskins;759430]OMG! You forgot McNabb's record this season of the least completions by a winning QB in the first Philly game.

I mean I bring that up every time someone tries to give me sh*t about McNabb. Shuts them right up. :doh:[/quote]

I thought you were going to join the Pats fan site and drop the skins?

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[quote=Mattyk;759396]Just when you start to feel good about what AH was doing, he lays on the ground while Vick scrambles around for 10 minutes. Gotta love it.[/quote]

Someone ought to let him have it today. That was a complete disgrace.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;759418]Honestly, the most frustrating part of this is that it made me realize how many times the Skins are on the losing side of:

"______________ hasn't been done in NFL history!"
"Well that really turned the season around for player _____________."
"Record setting day for ________________!!!!!"
"Never seen anything like this in my career!"

I assume I'm like everyone else and watch football every Thursday, Sunday and Monday and never in my life have I seen a team where: some kind of record is broken, a rookie has a coming out party or a vet in a slump gets back on track.

The only Redskins NFL records I can think of in recent memory are the least yards gained in a playoff win (Yay.) and the Monday Night Miracle MAYBE. It's just SO GD frustrating. I mean my cynicism is growing to an all-time high... Randy Moss hasn't had that great of a season, maybe this week he gets back on track with 200 yards receiving and 3 TDs? :doh:

THAT, and the third down conversion was actually laughable last night. We apparently can run plays of 2-3 yards on the first two downs, but when it comes to third, it's no gain or worse...[/quote]

Man you are so spot on here! And it has been that way for so long. If we were to make a list it would be literally unbelievable. I share your frustration.

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[quote=RedskinsfaninBaltimore;759312]I'm so pissed I can't even type coherent sentence.[/quote]

Brother I'm with you. I told myself I was not going to any message boards. Yet here I am. I'm just soo pissed I'm not sure if I should be only looking at the positives, which really there were hardly any, or slam every one, which would do no good.

Some of my issue's:
[B]1-[/B] The team came out flat. Clearly the Eagles came pumped, excited and ready to play. The Redskins not so much. Very lackadaisical. Pathetic.

[B]2- [/B]Maybe it's just me but I could have sworn I saw the Eagles holding on the OL if not every play it was almost every other play. Yet the Refs never called any holding calls. To be fair though I saw the Skins holding some also with no calls, but come on At least call the flagrant ones in which the Eagle grabbed the jersey or pulled our player to the ground to keep him from getting to Vick.

[B]3-[/B] Part B of #2 is I don't think I've ever seen a game so one sided. I know some if not most of it was our players performance but to me it seemed like a WWF match up and the winner was already predetermined. I know it's difficult to spot a team 21 or 28 points and expect to come back from that but [B]"EVERY" [/B]call seemed to go the Eagles way. Avante's catch on the sideline; the ball slips through his hands hits him in the chest slides to his stomach as he's hitting the white chalk line. If the ball is moving it's not a catch. No it's 1st down for them. 1st play of the game Orakpo gets held, the OL is holding his jersey pulling him almost turning him completely around so he can't get to Vick. Whoever #64 was for us (Kedric Golston) was being held by the LT whenever he tried to run around the LT.

AH was getting a good push on the Center, atleast 3-5 yrds, but the RG would help chip AH and AH would look like a weeble wobble but would fall down. Cant' Haslett adjust and send in a LB right after AH gets his initial push to bump the RG prior to the RG chipping AH?

Why did it take us being down 28 points before Haslett decided to change things up and go to the same defense we used with Indy?

Would the ESPN Mon. Night Crew be on McNabbs jock just as much as they were with Vick if the Skins were up 21-0? I had to turn my TV on mute several times and or change the channel cause I got tired of all the Eagles replays and the suck fest for Vick.

I could go on and on but I'd just sound like a poor sport. In the end the Skins played horrid. No excitement. I think the Eagles figured out quick enough get ahead early cause if not the Skins will come back. The Skins gave too much of a lead and couldn't come back.

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On a shorter note; People wanting to can Haslett.... why? This team has been in the whole for 10+ yrs. This team needs to get the right personel to run the 3-4 before we simply say it's not working.

Shocking news to me though was hearing Fri. that M.Shanahan is not in the offensive game planning. He leaves it to his son. I thought we bought into the M.Shanahan offense or combo not the Kyle Shanahan offense alone.

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As much shit as we gave Zorn and Blache around here, no one hung 59 points on his team. I don't care what you say, Shanahan, both of them, should be ashamed.

I don't know if you guys have heard some of the pre-game and post game back and forth between the teams, but appearantly before the start of the game D.Hall and Laron Landry were teasing Desean Jackson about getting concussions and not being a tough guy. Of course we know what happened shortly after kick-off. Then after the game, Philly's locker room was still beefing with Laron Landry accusing him of spitting in their center's face during the game. Of course Landry denied it, but it's been Tweeted about since last night.

Then a reporter interviewed Albert Haynesworth. I don't think I've ever heard a player so cavalier after getting their ass kicked so badly. He was actually joking around saying it looked like a BCS game the way they were rolling up points. I was like, huh? Then he jumped on Vick's jock talking about he's about to get paid and this and that. Unbelievable.

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[quote=firstdown;759435]I thought you were going to join the Pats fan site and drop the skins?

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It would not let me sign up under mredskin, dammit!

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the D got torched early and often. im not going to defend haslett but on some plays the players were in position to make a plya but didnt.

d jacks td on the first play, d hall lets him go and d jack beat landry on pure speed.

later on landry had a clean shot at a sack on vick but came up empty handed and vick went on to scramble for a good chunk.

i think some of our players get to hyped up for home MNF games.

its alot of things that went wrong, anyone on here who breaks down game film, itd like to hear what was more at fault, the D scheme or players missing tackles/assignments.

most of us thought this was an 8-8 team give or take a game. we are right around where we thought we would be at 4-5.

with mcnabb next year, things can only get better.

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[quote=over the mountain;759447]the D got torched early and often. im not [B][SIZE="4"][B]going to defend haslett but on some plays the players were in position to make a plya but didnt.[/B][/SIZE][/B]

d jacks td on the first play, d hall lets him go and d jack beat landry on pure speed.

later on landry had a clean shot at a sack on vick but came up empty handed and vick went on to scramble for a good chunk.

i think some of our players get to hyped up for home MNF games.

its alot of things that went wrong, anyone on here who breaks down game film, itd like to hear what was more at fault, the D scheme or players missing tackles/assignments.

most of us thought this was an 8-8 team give or take a game. we are right around where we thought we would be at 4-5.

with mcnabb next year, things can only get better.[/quote]



True and i could swear i saw London and Rocky have a change to lay the wood and they backed off. It made me sick to my stomach and i turned it off. Im tired of being devoted to an embarassment. And im gona try to pretend i didnt see that game.

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Acyually this game got so bad so quick it was actually funny. Not in the funny haha type way just funny as in strange.

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[quote=firstdown;759453]Acyually this game got so bad so quick it was actually funny. Not in the funny haha type way just funny as in strange.[/quote]I liken it to what I would assume having your femur snapped in half would feel like. So quick and shocking that it [I]almost[/I] doesn't hurt.

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I guess now we know how the Broncos felt in the SB in '87

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;759418]Honestly, the most frustrating part of this is that it made me realize how many times the Skins are on the losing side of:

"______________ hasn't been done in NFL history!"
"Well that really turned the season around for player _____________."
"Record setting day for ________________!!!!!"
"Never seen anything like this in my career!"

I assume I'm like everyone else and watch football every Thursday, Sunday and Monday and never in my life have I seen a team where: some kind of record is broken, a rookie has a coming out party or a vet in a slump gets back on track.

The only Redskins NFL records I can think of in recent memory are the least yards gained in a playoff win (Yay.) and the Monday Night Miracle MAYBE. It's just SO GD frustrating. I mean my cynicism is growing to an all-time high... Randy Moss hasn't had that great of a season, maybe this week he gets back on track with 200 yards receiving and 3 TDs? :doh:

THAT, and the third down conversion was actually laughable last night. We apparently can run plays of 2-3 yards on the first two downs, but when it comes to third, it's no gain or worse...[/quote]

First two statements can apply the the loss to the 2009 Detroit Lions.

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[quote=firstdown;759453]Acyually this game got so bad so quick it was actually funny. Not in the funny haha type way just funny as in strange.[/quote]


It was sad funny...like watching a feeble kid try to play football (no offense to feeble kids). I've never seen our stands clear out so early.

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yeah, funny in a strangely familiar way. we, as skins fan, really really put up with alot.

even in a relatively decent season for us compared to years past, the team still finds ways to make their fandom question the commitment it takes.

me and the lady met scott edwards around 11 am yesterday whose on the radio pre-game show with larry . he saw us in our skins gear and came over and talked with us for a few minutes. the man bleeds the B n G but when he started to talk bad about balmore i had to cut him off. he said during games at M&T when the wind shifts you can smell the alcohol coming from the fans. i told him that was probably me and my lady.

anyways, he said he was going to mention us on the radio. did anyone listen and hear him talk about craig and coren, a couple of "great" skins fans from baltimore that he ran into? prolly not with all the mcnabb extension stuff going on.

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Okay last night was obviously bad (understatement) but lets not lose all perspective here. This was 1 single game and doesn't mean anything more than that we were outplayed by a better team. I think few people would not admit that the Eagles have more talent than the Skins do. They have drafted better and signed free agents more intelligently. I never thought this was a playoff team and I do not think Dan or the Shananhans thought it was either. We have glaring wholes on Oline and WR on offense and we need to make a lot of changes on Dline if we are going to continue the 3-4 experiment.

So my thoughts on what we should do going forward.
#1 Keep Mcnabb next year and the following to groom whoever our QB replacement is, this means no getting overly excited and demanding the backup QB play if McNabb starts stinking up the joint
#2 Trade back in draft and pick a Center or Guard first in the draft.
#3 Pick up a TALL WR damnit!!! We need a possesion WR!
#4 Get some more help in the secondary.... know everyone is high on Hall right now but other than the Bears game they have ALL been average aside from Landry
#5 Whatever happens do not get rid of Shanahan...we need some damn consistency with this franchise and that starts with the coach. If Shanahan is not the head coach in 3 years than I dont ever see Dan Snyders Redskins being anything other than a mediocre NFL team.