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Id rather have anyone but a cowboy.

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dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

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I wasn't exactly pleased when the Skins hired Hasslet but he has just implemented the 3-4 and he doesn't quite have all of the pieces that he needs for it yet.

I just think that it would be a typical "Redskins-type" knee jerk reaction to let him go after one season. The entire league expects us to pull crap like this and frankly it's beyond embarrassing at this point. Can't we just give it time and be sure that it was a mistake before we assume that it was one too quickly?

Even Gregg Williams and Gragg Blache's Defenses got their asses lit up at one time or another. Whether you are a top 10 defense or not, it happens.

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I don't care who comes here. We need a whole new front 7, end of discussion.

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[quote=skinsfan69;760196]I don't care who comes here. We need a whole new front 7, end of discussion.[/quote]

You're done with Rak?

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[quote=Mattyk;760199]You're done with Rak?[/quote]

Out side of Rak and 2-3 others I don't want anyone back.

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[quote=skinster;760168]I think that Haslett and Wade are very similar D-coordinators. They both try to put up alot of sacks/picks, but both give up alot of yards and points in the process. Wade is better at it though.[/quote]

My arse, they are both past thier prime. Dallas has ranked at the bottom of D-turnovers every year since Swade got to Dallas

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Haslett just dosen't have all the pieces yet remember Rome wasn't built in a day.

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The players are advocating patience....

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Defense_Is_Experiencing__Growing_Pains___Players_Say_172295.jsp]Defense Is Experiencing 'Growing Pains,' Players Say[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;760068]I don't think Haslett is That bad, Wade Philips is a good D coordinator, thats what got him the job in Dallas in the first place. I think Wade's defense is more conservative than Hasletts which is why I'd side with Haslett as my DC next year, now if a Ryan brother became our DC next year thats something else.[/quote]

You really think Hasletts conservative soft zones taking this top 5-10 defense to dead last is less conservative than Wades? Sure buddy. The only RYAN ever wanted in any town is REX and that will never happen.

IDK who we should get yet, just let go of Haslett. The way we have plummetted IDK if he is even on the sidelines watching the game 3/4 of the time.

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[QUOTE]The "Phillips"

This system is not what people think of when they think of the 3-4, because the original 3-4 was/is strictly a 2-gap system.

In fact, look at the Denver "Orange Crush Defense" of the late 70's. It was run by Red Miller, and one of his assistants at the time was Coach Belichick. Belichick ended up in NE as we all know, while Fairbanks returned to college coaching in Colorado. Denver fans would thus be more likely than many fans to think of the 3-4 in terms of 2 gap, but you can still read the mistaken notion in many sports sites and publications.

The Phillips is named after "Bum Phillips", father of DAL head coach Wade Phillips, who formerly coached the Broncos as both a head coach and defensive coordinator. Bum learned under Paul "Bear" Bryant at A&M and had coached high school football well enough to break into the college ranks (not a common route). He was a defensive coordinator in SD, then in HOU (that's the Oilers for you young folks). He later was a head coach in HOU and later for NO.

Phillips was an innovator who turned the 3-4 upside down. His system is one-gap. The DL penetrates, and is charged with constant harrasment of the QB. The LBs are typically fast, and at least one of them will blitz on any given play.

The reason for the near constant 1-LB blitz is to account for the fact that the outnumbered DL is also relatively undersized and only one-gapping. However, the adjustments work out well. The OL never knows who the blitzer will be, or where he will come from. The Phillips is more aggressive that the Bullough. The school of thought for the Phillips 3-4 is the need to pressure against the QB to stop the pass threat, and this is done by varying who the "fourth rusher" (who is really a blitzer) is.

Add another blitzer in here and there, and the speedy/aggressive Phillips system is a threat to QBs, and attempts to get turnovers by slashing the time that a QB has to make decisions.

This is the system of choice for DAL, but also SD.

It is not the ideal system for SD in one sense. Denver (king of the offensive "zone block " system for runs) and oakland (newly switched to the zone block) are built to run over the 1 gap defenses, and they share the division with SD. SD adjusts for this by:
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[url=http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/5/7/481970/mhr-university-modern-3-4]MHR University - Modern 3-4 Defense Systems - Mile High Report[/url]
I've posted this before, so this should look familiar.

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Any chance we can send a sorry letter along with a fruit basket to GWilliams to get him back?

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[url=http://www.scardraft.com/Phillips34.html]The Bum Phillips 3-4[/url]

Nose tackle as a 1-tech, fellas.

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I would say no to Phillips for 2 reasons.

First we need some continuity on this team and that starts with the coaching staff. Haslett needs at least another year probably two to get his type of players in here and to get everyone doing what they should on every play, (this is probably why he had 2 safeties so deep on so many plays against Philly)

Second, All of us are sick of us bringing in washed up Free Agent players to Washington, so why are we ready to bring in a washed up coach and move him to Defensive -Coordinator? He was shell of a man in Dallas this past year, he DOES NOT deal with adversity well, and why would the players respect him?

(Also f' anyone who would be associated with the cgirls)

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[quote=Dread-Skin;760238]Any chance we can send a sorry letter along with a fruit basket to GWilliams to get him back?[/quote]

Crap that made me laugh so loud people in the office are looking at me!

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;760216]Haslett just dosen't have all the pieces yet remember Rome wasn't built in a day.[/quote]

Oh good, a pointless remedy to our situation. Its already been 500 years in NFL years, dating back to '91 from the last time our Skins were praised and from '99 when Snyder took over. Rome could have been built/destroyed, found a new architect/caesar and built/destroyed that too but beer would still be $8.


Its going to take years as many are aware enough to point out we cant undo Snyder-RATo in one season. This team is an eyesore at times and I get caught rubber-necking this wreck of a team but I wish so bad we could stop being the laughing stock of the league. The division is up for grabs every year if we could find/fix what ails us. What I tell myself every year is I wont buy into the hype/hope but football is in my bloodstream. I'll always be a skins fan but maybe next year I wont spend so much money until they really start giving back.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;760216]Haslett just dosen't have all the pieces yet remember Rome wasn't built in a day.[/quote]

No, but it got sacked in one. And over and over and over and over again kinda like the skins.

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[quote=Skins fan 44;760145]If it means we sweep Dallas then I am all for it. Who else knows their O better?[/quote]

What gives you any indication that Wade ever understood their offense? :cheeky-sm

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A quote from London Fletcher....
[QUOTE]“The thing about this defense, you’re going to go through some growing pains in the first year,” linebacker London Fletcher said. “We’ve had some games where we’ve played some really good football and we’ve had some games where we’ve struggled.

“That’s to be expected, but it’s not accepted. We’re not just accepting where we are. We’re going to continue to work hard and continue to practice, focus and prepare in order to be successful on game day. We’re going to try to play the scheme a lot better.”
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I guess continuity is not the key. We definitly should fire Haslett and bring in yet another coach. Heck it used to be every 3 or 4 yrs we changed HC's. We got that number down to 2 years. Might as well see if we can get that number down to less then a year.

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If the question is who a better defensive coordinator, Wade Phillips or Jim Haslett? It's no contest, Phillips is a superior DC than Haslett. I wouldn't even bother waiting until the end of the season. Bring him in right now as a consultant so he can be ready to take over when Haslett gets shit canned.

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I really do understand everyone's frustration. But wasn't the focal point of redskins fans for years now to get the front office and coaching staff formed and keep them for a period of time instead of all the coaching positions being a revolving door?

I am not saying I fully support Haslett, because I actually don't like the guy, never have, but to can him already will just go against everything we have asked for as a fan base, consistency in the organization

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[quote=SBXVII;760321]A quote from London Fletcher....


I guess continuity is not the key. We definitly should fire Haslett and bring in yet another coach. Heck it used to be every 3 or 4 yrs we changed HC's. We got that number down to 2 years. Might as well see if we can get that number down to less then a year.[/quote]


I agree with London.


There HAVE been some improvements from last season. Turnovers are WAY up. We're getting to QBs.

We're just giving up a TON of yardage but we're better than a 31st-ranking (or are we last after that Philly debacle?)



Most teams have a rocky transition to 3-4 but in the end, it's usually an upgrade to be in the 3-4.

Patience. Haslett CAN coach. He didn't have every part he needed for the transition but we're working on that.

I don't think I could stomach seeing Wade on our sideline.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;760216]Haslett just dosen't have all the pieces yet remember Rome wasn't built in a day.[/quote]

Will he last until he get's them? That is the question.

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[quote=DCtoAZ;760084]The point is ... Jlc has no clue about the info regarding wade coming to dc ... That's just complete rumor mill bs[/quote]


And of course you will now tell all of us just how you know your assertion that "Jason LaCanfora has no clue about the info regarding Wade coming to DC" is absolutely correct...


Let me be clear. I have no information related to Wade Phillips getting any job with the Redskins now or in the near future. I do know that Jason LaCanfora has plenty of access within the NFL. So, when he reports something, I take it for what it is - - in this case, a rumor that he has heard from more than one person.


Will you share with us how you know as of Nov 18, 2010 that he is clueless on this?

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[quote=Buster;760329]I agree with London.


There HAVE been some improvements from last season. Turnovers are WAY up. We're getting to QBs.

We're just giving up a TON of yardage but we're better than a 31st-ranking (or are we last after that Philly debacle?)



Most teams have a rocky transition to 3-4 but in the end, it's usually an upgrade to be in the 3-4.

Patience. Haslett CAN coach. He didn't have every part he needed for the transition but we're working on that.

I don't think I could stomach seeing Wade on our sideline.[/quote]

21 points was what we were coughing up prior to Philly. 21.6 points was what we were coughing up last year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;760202]Out side of Rak and 2-3 others I don't want anyone back.[/quote]

Sorry but it doesn't work that way.

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[quote=loveskinsinwv;760054]NFL Network's Jason La Canfora suggests that former Cowboys head coach Wade Phillips' next landing spot could be Washington as def cor....haslett needs to go ..what do you skins fans think[/quote]


all due respect but ....got a link?

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I think wade is a great D Cord but I doubt we fire haslett after 1 yr.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;760351]And of course you will now tell all of us just how you know your assertion that "Jason LaCanfora has no clue about the info regarding Wade coming to DC" is absolutely correct...


Let me be clear. I have no information related to Wade Phillips getting any job with the Redskins now or in the near future. I do know that Jason [B]LaCanfora has plenty of access within the NFL. So, when he reports something, I take it for what it is - - in this case, a rumor that he has heard from more than one person.[/B]


Will you share with us how you know as of Nov 18, 2010 that he is clueless on this?[/quote]

Reporting a rumor as news makes you clueless....JLC does not know 100% fact where Wade will end up, so why say anything?
JLC should work for TMZ or National Enquirer.

Here I will create a JLC story,
This just in....I over heard from a well placed source eavesdropping outside the door at the NFL meetings that Wade Phillips will be considered for the defensive coordinator position for any NFL team that has an underperforming defense." Call me captain obvious.
I can do what JLC does.

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Just because JLC has contacts, doesn't mean he can't and doesn't speculate sometimes. He could have said wade to dc just because he thinks it's a possibility, not based on any inside info. You'll hear Mort say this often, or you won't because people usually miss it, but he'll say "I haven't spoken to anyone about this or heard that it's a rumor so don't take it as such, but I think you might see the Redskins go after David Harris in free agency"

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My favorite JLC moment came seeing JLC sour puss face after the NFL Draft. He all but assured that Haynesworth would be dealt and hung his hat on that possibility. JLC kept talking about his well placed sources.
JLC was the Haynesworth Show on NFL network days leading to the draft. He milked that thing dry.
The next day after the draft JLC had this look like he found out his wife is cheating on him.

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You can bring back Vince Lambardi to coach this team and we will still be terrible with the old vets and lack of quility draft picks we have given away for next to nothing. I say be patient and take our lumps until we get better players to fit the offense and defense schemes. We have to rebuild if we want long term success. This player here and a trade there has not worked the last 10 years. Fire and hire a coach every 3 yrs has not worked either. Coaches coach and Players play with that said we need players.