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[quote=redsk1;761874]Yes, there will continue to be lots of change over the offseason. I actually miss CP being in there. He looked good and can block like no other. But, yes, hopefully we can see more of some young guys:

Banks
James Davis
Riley
Maybe Austin

Mike Shanahan is a smart guy though. If Austin was ready or deserved to be activated he would be. We're still 5-5 and right in the mix. MS wants to win games #1.[/quote]

I think that the young guys might be inexperienced, but provide enthusiasm and energy. T Williams, Banks, K Williams, Torain, Gano have all produced in some way. I really want to see Davis and Austin on the roster, they could provide a nice spark during the tough stretch coming up.

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[quote=Mattyk;761682]Shanahan turned over 1/3 of the roster in a year with limited free agents. You can't rebuild a team in one year. We're going to see more change next year.[/quote]

Great point.
It amazes me how impatient the Redskins fans are. They loose sight that Shanahan and Allen inherited a 4-12 mess that we can call a team.
To be 5-5 at this point is an improvement, we have won more games than all of last year.
It's funny how in the past almost everyone gave Snyder shit for being impatient and not building a team the old fashion way. Now that we finally are building a team over time, some are saying it taking too long or we are not doing it fast enough. Redskins fans are never happy.

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Skins plan on adding a safety to the roster this week. Lendy Holmes I guess is the obvious choice, but I'm not sure it'll be him

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[quote=Defensewins;761896]Great point.
It amazes me how impatient the Redskins fans are. They loose sight that Shanahan and Allen inherited a 4-12 mess that we can call a team.
To be 5-5 at this point is an improvement, we have won more games than all of last year.
It's funny how in the past almost everyone gave Snyder shit for being impatient and not building a team the old fashion way. Now that we finally are building a team over time, some are saying it taking too long or we are not doing it fast enough. Redskins fans are never happy.[/quote]

I agree alot of fans are impatient. I think, though, that you are seeing a bit of the extreme fan in the blogging world though. It's not a full sample size of fans. Same thing on the radio, the fans you hear from are generally "extreme" fans. Not that those fans that aren't posting are not big time fans, they just aren't letting their opinions out.

It's going to take some time and i think most fans realize that. There are some idiots out there that just want to fire everyone after a loss too. It's going to take a long time to fix what Vinny did here.

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[quote=Defensewins;761896]Great point.
It amazes me how impatient the Redskins fans are. They loose sight that Shanahan and Allen inherited a 4-12 mess that we can call a team.
To be 5-5 at this point is an improvement, we have won more games than all of last year.
It's funny how in the past almost everyone gave Snyder shit for being impatient and not building a team the old fashion way. Now that we finally are building a team over time, some are saying it taking too long or we are not doing it fast enough. Redskins fans are never happy.[/quote]

I'm pissed that we gave up future wins for a temporary improvement in record. Treading water is not going to get us to a Super Bowl.

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[quote=Defensewins;761896]Great point.
It amazes me how impatient the Redskins fans are. They loose sight that Shanahan and Allen inherited a 4-12 mess that we can call a team.
To be 5-5 at this point is an improvement, we have won more games than all of last year.
[B]It's funny how in the past almost everyone gave Snyder shit for being impatient and not building a team the old fashion way. Now that we finally are building a team over time, some are saying it taking too long or we are not doing it fast enough. Redskins fans are never happy[/B].[/quote]

Preach on brother.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/clinton-portis/chad-simpson-anderson-russell.html#more]Redskins Insider - Chad Simpson, Anderson Russell to IR[/url]

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Just out of curiosity, has Shanahan ever had a late round running back named Davis that was taken in the 6th round of the draft? I don't know if he can succeed with such an unfamiliar last name.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/running-backs/redskins-promoting-james-davis.html]Redskins Insider - Redskins promoting James Davis to 53-man roster[/url]

Davis tweeted Monday afternoon: "The cuffs has been taken off the beast."
LOL, I hope so.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;761906]I'm pissed that we gave up future wins for a temporary improvement in record. Treading water is not going to get us to a Super Bowl.[/quote]

In your opinion.
Someone's temporary improvement is someone elses last key piece to a Super Bowl roster. Remember Gibbs did not want Theisman and Riggins when he first got here? There is no 100% perfect single way to build a team. You can be stocked with a ton of great draft picks, but if you do not know how to draft (Snyderatto) and have some luck, all those picks will go to waste.
You never know what can happen in a year or two...we could win a Super Bowl with Mcnabb in the next year or two? Stranger things have happened.

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I guess LL will be out again Sun?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;761928]Just out of curiosity, has Shanahan ever had a late round running back named Davis that was taken in the 6th round of the draft? I don't know if he can succeed with such an unfamiliar last name.[/quote]

I think he did once, some guy who had a 2k season I believe. Can't remember his name because he's obviously not that important but I think he was a flash in the pan.

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[quote=mooby;761966]I think he did once, some guy who had a 2k season I believe. Can't remember his name because he's obviously not that important but I think he was a flash in the pan.[/quote]

And that flash in the pans college coach was another flash in the pan coach, I think his name was something like George Allen.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;761961]I guess LL will be out again Sun?[/quote]

LaRon and Carlos both expected to miss the Minny game too.

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[quote=Defensewins;761960]In your opinion.
Someone's temporary improvement is someone elses last key piece to a Super Bowl roster. Remember Gibbs did not want Theisman and Riggins when he first got here? There is no 100% perfect single way to build a team. You can be stocked with a ton of great draft picks, but if you do not know how to draft (Snyderatto) and have some luck, all those picks will go to waste.
You never know what can happen in a year or two...we could win a Super Bowl with Mcnabb in the next year or two? Stranger things have happened.[/quote]

Sorry pal, the Gibbs beast years had the majority of their parts come from the draft in 1981, 1982, 1983.

Never did I say solely from the draft and UDFAs. But it's the usual means of getting "hard to get talent" like elite passer rushers, QBs, etc.


Yes, they'll probably miss on some parts --sometimes MAJOR PARTS, i.e pass rusher, QB, etc-- and have to address those externally, but it's highly likely at least 50% of the starters will be from the draft. It not that the draft picks are necessarily BETTER than the outside acquisitions, but they provide a solid foundation to build on.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/1982_roster.htm]1982 Washington Redskins Starters, Roster, & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

You take a look at the starters and backups, and there are a ton of names there who either were drafted by Beathard or were UDFA by us.

Yeah, a lot big guys like Riggo and Joey T were pickups from "outside" the organization, but just as many and more were home-grown. But I said at least 50% of the starters, not all. :D

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I laughed my ass off when I read this:

[I]Shanahan also confirmed that the injury bug stretched beyond the roster in Sunday's game. Eric Steward, the team's associate athletic trainer, injured his MCL at halftime trying to treat all the injured players, and is undergoing an MRI.[/I]

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/clinton-portis/chad-simpson-anderson-russell.html#more]Redskins Insider - Chad Simpson, Anderson Russell to IR[/url]

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[quote=Buster;761970]LaRon and Carlos both expected to miss the Minny game too.[/quote]

their injuries must be pretty bad..they didn't seem that bad against the eagles, enough for them to sit out then.

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The only movement I want to see is one in which Casey Rabach is sent to the bench.

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I get the feeling some people don't realize how many starters on our championship teams weren't actually drafted or even Undrafted free agents by the skins. And this in an era where free agency is nothing like it is today, there wasn't really a salary cap and drafts went 12 rounds

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Well it figures that we'd get a few injuries headed our way. It's not like we were knocking out opposing players by playing patty cake. When you play as physical as some of our guys have this year then injuries are bound to happen.

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[quote=SmootSmack;761987]I get the feeling some people don't realize how many starters on our championship teams weren't actually drafted or even Undrafted free agents by the skins. And this in an era where free agency is nothing like it is today, there wasn't really a salary cap and drafts went 12 rounds[/quote]

And there was one year, 1986 or 1987, where we lost a bunch of O linemen and kept on trucking. Didn't skip a beat. But that was back when we had a "system". The consistently good teams today lose guys all the time and can still maintain.

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[quote=44Deezel;761990]And there was one year, 1986 or 1987, where we lost a bunch of O linemen and kept on trucking. Didn't skip a beat. But that was back when we had a "system". The consistently good teams today lose guys all the time and can still maintain.[/quote]

And there was 1992 the year after winning the SB, the skins had so many injuries all around, that Brian Mitchell was the starting RB in the playoffs. Spanked the Vikings and came a fumble away from beating the 49ers at Candlestick Park. In my opinion that was the best coaching job by Joe Gibbs of his entire career.

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[quote=SmootSmack;761987]I get the feeling some people don't realize how many starters on our championship teams weren't actually drafted or even Undrafted free agents by the skins. And this in an era where free agency is nothing like it is today, there wasn't really a salary cap and drafts went 12 rounds[/quote]

That was my point with SirClintonPortis.
Beathard would find players from any source. There is no one good source
Gary Clark, Ricky Sanders Kelvin Bryant came from the USFL.
How about trade for Jim Lachey for Jay Schroeder?
Key players like FA or trades for Dave Butz, NFL MVP Mark Mosley, Earnest Byner, Gerald Riggs, Joe Washington, Jumpy Geathers, Danny Copeland, Brad Edwards, Tim zjohnson and Eric Williams just to name few. But the biggest surprise was Doug Williams superbowl MVP.

So 2/3 of our SB winning qb's were not drafted by Redskins (JTheisman and DWilliams)
2/3 of our SB winning Rb's were not drafted by Skins (Riggins and Byner/Riggs). The one that was drafted Timmy Smith? Wow!
2/3 of our famed dynamic receiving trio Monk, Clark and Sanders came from the USFL.
Of the "Original" 1982-83 starting Hogs only May and Grimm were drafted. Starke was left over of George Allen class of 1971.

That was a lot of good treading water.:cheeky-sm

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[quote=Defensewins;762006]That was my point with SirClintonPortis.
Beathard would find players from any source. There is no one good source
Gary Clark, Ricky Sanders Kelvin Bryant came from the USFL.
How about trade for Jim Lachey for Jay Schroeder?
Key players like FA or trades for Dave Butz, NFL MVP Mark Mosley, Earnest Byner, Gerald Riggs, Joe Washington, Jumpy Geathers, Danny Copeland, Brad Edwards, Tim zjohnson and Eric Williams just to name few. But the biggest surprise was Doug Williams superbowl MVP.

So 2/3 of our SB winning qb's were not drafted by Redskins (JTheisman and DWilliams)
2/3 of our SB winning Rb's were not drafted by Skins (Riggins and Byner/Riggs). The one that was drafted Timmy Smith? Wow!
2/3 of our famed dynamic receiving trio Monk, Clark and Sanders came from the USFL.
Of the "Original" 1982-83 starting Hogs only May and Grimm were drafted. Starke was left over of George Allen class of 1971.

That was a lot of good treading water.:cheeky-sm[/quote]Don't play me the idiot. You snatch out of the players from different years to disprove "50%". Yes, I may not have been totally clear, but only a moron would deliberately defy the inuition that it was at least 50% of the starters FOR THAT PARTICULAR YEAR. GENIUS, NOT. I never over-specified and overextrapolated like you did towards particular positions. I NEVER said that and it takes incredible denseness or an the desire to win the argument at all costs to pull something like that off.

Also, I counted UDFAs because we hunted them down first and kept them(i.e Bostic, Jacoby), for the most part.

Your counter argument is bunk for another reason. Joey T, Doug Williams, and Ryp WERE NOT ON THE SAME ROSTER...ever. They all counted for a grand total of 1 not-drafted by-the-Redskins player on their respective Super Bowl teams.

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And as for the present, having McNabb and Brown flame out in three years while those who grabbed Nate Allen, Taylor Mays, Lamarr Houston, Jared Veldheer(reach, but still), Terrence Cody, and maybe some others. all have hit on guys that will be benefitting their teams 3 years from now and beyond.

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Nor did I ever state that the quality of drafted players was NATURALLY SUPERIOR TO the externally obtained players. It's just that these sorts of externally obtained had guys around him who were "home-grown". Yeah, the Saints finished their puzzle with Brees, but a good chunk of their OL, RBs, and WRs were all "home-grown" from the draft or UDFA.

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The FA culture was so different when Beathard was acquiring players & when Casserly was in Plan B free agency. The players didn't have much control then, so when they were brought in they typically accepted their role on the team. Unlike some big name FAs these days, like say a dude in B&G that wears 92?

The 91 skins had a lot of plan b free agents on defense, that was a great defense for being built partially out of leftovers. But in our glory years we hit on a lot of draft picks in late rounds & found players at small schools, e.g. Darrell Green. Even picking J. Schroeder was brilliant, the guy was going to play baseball. He comes in after Joe T. has his leg snapped, goes to a pro bowl, loses his touch & then we trade him for arguably the best LT in football.

I think most of us agree that in the cap era, you can't build a team from free agency at the expense of draft picks. It doesn't make sense, economically & in terms of football.

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What happened to the topic of this thread???

Anyways, I am glad to see James Davis being brought up from the practice squad. I remember watching him play while at Clemson and I really think he has some real talent and could make a huge impact the remainder of the season. With him and Keiland, we just may finally get a running game going.

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For those wondering 16/22 Super Bowl XVII starters were either draft picks or UDFAs (and I'm including Monk though he didn't play in the SB); 13/22 for SB XXII, and 11/22 for XXVI. This, of course, includes guys drafted after the 7th round, which isn't possible anymore. Saints had 10/22 in their SB win earlier this year. Redskins opened the season with I think 7/22 drafted or UDFA starters. But anyway, I think it's a) a different era and b) there are many ways to build a champion.

Anyhow, back to the topic of this thread. Been some rumors of Selvish Capers being called up but I'm not sure I see that happening. And Ramzee Robinson will be working out with the Skins today and may be signed.

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I, for one, am excited to see what some of our youngsters can do. I believe if we are to be successful on offense, we need to have younger, faster offensive linemen. But, I am excited that Keiland Williams has stepped up and delivered. I'm hoping Torrain can get back into the lineup, as well as Portis. Definitely also eager to see what James Davis can do for us.

Regardless if this team makes the playoffs or not this year, I just want this team to make the most of the next six games and end the season on a high note.

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[quote=SmootSmack;762048]

Anyhow, back to the topic of this thread. Been some rumors of Selvish Capers being called up but I'm not sure I see that happening. And Ramzee Robinson will be working out with the Skins today and may be signed.[/quote]

James Davis was called up and the other roster spot that is currently open, they are looking to fill with a safety. So Capers coming up isn't likely at all now. I personally think Davis is a better option right now then Capers anyways.

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^^ Yeah but we're still short on OL

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It will all depend on whether they place Rabach on IR, which I'm hearing is a possibility. If they do, they'll probably call up Cook or Capers

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[quote=SmootSmack;762053]It will all depend on whether they place Rabach on IR, which I'm hearing is a possibility. If they do, they'll probably call up Cook or Capers[/quote]

Rabach has a second degree meniscus tear...his play can only get worse. I'd shelf him.

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[quote=saden1;762059]Rabach has a second degree meniscus tear...his play can only get worse. I'd shelf him.[/quote]

Thought it was his MCL, not his meniscus?

In other news, we just lost Will Robinson to the Seahawks active roster

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[quote=SmootSmack;762061]Thought it was his MCL, not his meniscus?

In other news, we just lost Will Robinson to the Seahawks active roster[/quote]Danger! Matt Hasselbeck.

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[quote=SmootSmack;762061]Thought it was his MCL, not his meniscus?

In other news, we just lost Will Robinson to the Seahawks active roster[/quote]

I heard both but this is one source:

[url=http://twitter.com/ryanohalloran/status/6805472975790082]Twitter / Ryan O'Halloran: 2. Rabach second-degree me ...[/url]

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John Keim's twitter says Macho Harris was signed today. Looks like they filled that safety spot.

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Any thoughts (Scud, I'm looking in your direction) on the RB we added to the practice squad Kestahn Moore