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I dont find his level of play disgusting. It's not THAT bad....but i think as redskins fans, we have kind of gotten used to poor play at QB, except for in 05 with Brunell, and 07 with Collins..

I think Donovan is exactly what most people figured he would be on this team..a good leader who is able to still do some things, but is past his best and best used in a role where he starts for a year or 2 while another QB watches from the bench until he is ready..

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[quote=skinsfan69;767245]I agree so if that's the case then you gotta wonder why they gave up the draft picks. Could've just kept JC, brought in Grossmam to compete and kept the picks. We'd probably have one less win.[/quote]

Totally agree. I've said this before on here- one thing that Campbell has that McNabb doesn't is the ability to learn a system on the fly. McNabb has apparently really struggled to pick up what Kyle is putting down - so much so that both Shanahan's have been allegedly surprised and disappointed.

I don't think we'd be much better or much worse with Campbell and/or Grossman as a starter this season. And we'd still have two really important draft picks. I mean, McNabb has 15 picks to only 12 TDs, and a rating of 75.2 (3 points lower than JC's this season). Campbell's stats as a starter here were never that poor, and he learned a new system nearly every season. Just saying.

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[quote=GMScud;767249]Totally agree. I've said this before on here- one thing that Campbell has that McNabb doesn't is the ability to learn a system on the fly. McNabb has apparently really struggled to pick up what Kyle is putting down - so much so that both Shanahan's have been allegedly surprised and disappointed.

I don't think we'd be much better or much worse with Campbell and/or Grossman as a starter this season. And we'd still have two really important draft picks. I mean, McNabb has 15 picks to only 12 TDs, and a rating of 75.2 (3 points lower than JC's this season). Campbell's stats as a starter here were never that poor, and he learned a new system nearly every season. Just saying.[/quote]

I generally agree, however, the drama and angst that JC and the previous FO's had established here would have caused far more disruption. In fact, even though DM's play hasn't been stellar, I believe that attention is being more evenly focused, than if JC were here, and all the discussion revolved around his perceived deficiencies.

I hope we give DM another year to settle down, and more importantly build as best we can around him. Not that he will change who he is, but moreso he does not present a vivid reminder of the past malfeasance on the part of the FO.

I was pretty against DM when they brought him in, but not having the weekly JC bash/love threads has been one of the better parts of this season.

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i think mcnabb is doing pretty well given the circumstances. after years and years of an anemic passing offense, we finally have a QB who is trying and capable of making the big pass play.

yeah i wish he was more accurate on throws, i wish the receivers and TEs caught the catchable balls, but McNabb has brought something to our offense we havent had in a very very longtime . . .an actual passing attack that stretches the field.

i blame most of our offensive woes and shortcomings on not being able to establish the run. like shanny said before the reg seasona nd after seemingly every loss, this offense is predicated on establishing the run. we did it in tenn, controlled the ball, won the game. we dont run the ball, control the clock . . .we get out of sync.

personally i like what mcnabb brings to the table, actual ability to pass down field. weve been looking for that for a 10 plus years now.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;767248]I dont find his level of play disgusting. It's not THAT bad....but i think as redskins fans, we have kind of gotten used to poor play at QB, except for in 05 with Brunell, and 07 with Collins..

I think Donovan is exactly what most people figured he would be on this team..[B]a good leader who is able to still do some things[/B], but is past his best and best used in a role where [B]he starts for a year or 2 while another QB watches from the bench until he is ready[/B]..[/quote]

Good post. That makes the most sense. What better position for a young QB to be in, A HOF QB to sit under, one that will only play for another year or two. But for this to work, we must secure a young future QB next season at the latest. I think we will see that.

I don't think Shanny is planning moment by moment, he has a plan. McNabb is just a bridge that not only gives us a chance to win now but the future as well.

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Not disgusted with DM5. He's made some plays for us that others would not have made.

Still, I wonder when he will show up. Sometimes it is like the lights are on but no one is at home.

Maybe in his second year in DC he will be more mentally present and therefore more effective.

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Our OL is crap.
Anything McNabb can do to stay upright and in possession of the ball after the snap is a bonus. If we had a + average OL then you could evaluate him.

:doh:

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I believe he's played alot better since the benching, he moved the ball against the titans, the vikings, and giants we just started dropping balls. He's on pace for a career year in yards. He's gonna have a couple times a game he makes you scratch your head, but he is not the problem here.

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Let's think realistically for a second. Jason Campbell was/is a talented player who has the physical abilities. Overall good guy and decent football IQ. If we had held on to Campbell this year, I wouldn't have been upset in the least.

However, the biggest knocks I could see on Jason Campbell, were the inability to be consistent with reading defenses, not taking a lot of chances down field (although that could have been more of a system thing,) and he's just not a leadership type of guy. Great guy though, team player, model citizen.... but I don't see him ever truly being a Warren Moon, Peyton Manning, or a Drew Brees. Definitely not a field general.

Donovan McNabb, on the other hand, has those leadership qualities. Mostly because he's had experience in the playoffs and the Super Bowl, but he's a proven winner. He also has a lot more confidence in his arm than what I saw of Campbell here. He takes more shots downfield (again, could be a system thing but anyway,) and for the most part, he's good at reading defenses and he makes more good decisions than bad.

Both QBs have faced similar situations. No offensive line, no running game, new systems, and a team that doesn't know how to win. The real deal will be comparing the two when the supporting casts are upgraded.

All in all, I still believe we upgraded by going with Donovan McNabb even though it doesn't appear so this season.

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When it's all said and done maybe all we need to do is heed the advice of our owner and exhibit a little patience. This about a man who can tell you a thing or two about patience...........he he

[url=http://network.yardbarker.com/author/article_external/3763929]Redskins' owner urges patience in trying season[/url]

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Ultimately, I think the level of frustration w/this original post & w/us in general is that we now have a 'franchise qb' yet he's made his share of mistakes & we only have 1 more win than last year so far. i.e., we had expectations for McNabb.

In addition, like JC in 08, he had a winning record for a short time & things seemed to be on the upswing until Detroit. These last four games are pretty important for this team, but especially for McNabb. If he ends w/a bang, we'll be back to our unrealistic expectation havin selves this spring when the draft rolls around!

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I'm not holding my breath on McNabb and wouldn't expect him to improve at this stage in his career. I could see a scenerio where he improves marginally based on the talent around him and being more comfortable within the system, but that's about it. Look, McNabb has been an NFL pro for a decade, so whatever NFL system he's playing in, new or not, won't dramatically improve his ability to read defenses or the mechanics of his game. They are what they are. He does look he could shed about 5 to 10 pounds though.

I guess the real question is did we get hosed on the deal? On that front it's probabloy too early to tell, but my gut as well as what I've seen from MC5 thus far tells me we got the short end of the stick. McNabb isn't too much different from Jason Campbell in that he'll do a few things well enough to string you along for another two or three games.

What I do know about McNabb is that he's not putting this franchise on his shoulders this year or next and carrying them to the promise land.

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Don't get me wrong, leadership and moxy are important and something this team has lacked for years at the QB position, but at some point you've got to be more talented than the guy across from you. Sometimes you just have to line up and knock him flat on his ass, down after down. Sometimes your quarterback has to plow through that safety or juke his ass out of his cleats for that first down.

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9th overall in passing for the entire NFL people. 9th . . . let that sink in.

with a crappy O line, injured rookie LT, new scheme, new coaches, UFAs platooning at runningback we are 9th in passing. and he isnt getting his passing yards on the dink and dunk YAC crap JC did, hes doing it through the air on big plays.

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[quote=over the mountain;767279][B]9th overall in passing for the entire NFL people. 9th . . . let that sink in.
[/B]
with a crappy O line, injured rookie LT, new scheme, new coaches, UFAs platooning at runningback we are 9th in passing. and he isnt getting his passing yards on the dink and dunk YAC crap JC did, hes doing it through the air on big plays.[/quote]

WOW, If you would have asked me where I think we rank in passing I would have said some where in the Twenties. Thats impressive for what our Offense is made of.

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[quote=over the mountain;767279]9th overall in passing for the entire NFL people. 9th . . . let that sink in.

with a crappy O line, injured rookie LT, new scheme, new coaches, UFAs platooning at runningback we are 9th in passing. and he isnt getting his passing yards on the dink and dunk YAC crap JC did, hes doing it through the air on big plays.[/quote]

the real question there is, is that a reflection of our o doing good, or a reflection of how god awful the nfl is in general this year.

there is a damn good chance that a division winner out of the nfc has a losing record this year, let that sink in.

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[quote=mlmdub130;767287]the real question there is, is that a reflection of our o doing good, or a reflection of how god awful the nfl is in general this year.

[B]there is a damn good chance that a division winner out of the nfc has a losing record this year, let that sink in[/B].[/quote]

Just don't tell that to Atlanta...

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[quote=mlmdub130;767287]the real question there is, is that a reflection of our o doing good, or a reflection of how god awful the nfl is in general this year.

there is a damn good chance that a division winner out of the nfc has a losing record this year, let that sink in.[/quote]

Haven't really noticed the NFL being awful this year?

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umm okay . . . . doesnt change the fact that our passing attack is currently the best it has been in quite a long time. since we are ranked 9th overall in the league, it doesnt matter if the NFL is having a "god awful" year or not, its all relative. we are 9th in passing in a "god awful" year then. so what? there are 23 teams in that same "god awful" league that our worse than us in passing. i dont get your point. maybe if we played in the NFC west but i think your just trying to hold onto the darkness. some people can only be comfortable if they are miserable.

i think our current ranking is a reflection of 1) mcnabb's ability to create/constantly look for the big play and 2) our new coaches.

we have anthony armstrong as our no 2 receiver, let that sink in! mcnabb was credited for making no-name receivers productive in philly, now he is doing the same thing here. imo mcnabb has lived up to what i had hoped and expected of him. yeah, he has some accuracy issues but his good outweighs the bad imo.

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[quote=over the mountain;767294]umm okay . . . . doesnt change the fact that our passing attack is currently the best it has been in quite a long time. since we are ranked 9th overall in the league, it doesnt matter if the NFL is having a "god awful" year or not, [B]its all relative.[/B] we are 9th in passing in a "god awful" year then. so what? there are 23 teams in that same "god awful" league that our worse than us in passing. i dont get your point. maybe if we played in the NFC west but i think your just trying to hold onto the darkness. some people can only be comfortable if they are miserable.

i think our current ranking is a reflection of 1) mcnabb's ability to create/constantly look for the big play and 2) our new coaches.

we have anthony armstrong as our no 2 receiver, let that sink in! mcnabb was credited for making no-name receivers productive in philly, now he is doing the same thing here. imo mcnabb has lived up to what i had hoped and expected of him. yeah, he has some accuracy issues but his good outweighs the bad imo.[/quote]

It's all relative, LOL, I was going to say the exact same thing bro... I figured I'd give you the chance to respond first since you were quoted. :food-smil

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[quote=SolidSnake84;767248]I dont find his level of play disgusting. It's not THAT bad....but i think as redskins fans, we have kind of gotten used to poor play at QB, [B]except for in 05 with Brunell, and 07 with Collins[/B]..

I think Donovan is exactly what most people figured he would be on this team..a good leader who is able to still do some things, but is past his best and best used in a role where he starts for a year or 2 while another QB watches from the bench until he is ready..[/quote]

While they played good it was nothing that impressive.

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[quote=mlmdub130;767287]the real question there is, is that a reflection of our o doing good, or a reflection of how god awful the nfl is in general this year.

there is a damn good chance that a division winner out of the nfc has a losing record this year, let that sink in.[/quote]

So one bad division means the entire league is awful?

Sorry not buying that.

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Can someone change the title to this thread? I am absolutely disgusted with the title.

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Lets be honest.
Our passing game is not better.
Yards is probably the least meaningful metric in terms of measuring the quality of a passing offense.

We're a few 3rd down conversions away from converting the fewest 3rd downs in the past 40 years in the NFL, that my friend is not good.
Our passing offense this year is worse then last year in all the meaningful metrics:
YPA, RZ conversion %, the already mentioned 3rd down conversion, QB rating, comp %.

If you think having more yards is more important then the other stats then we see offense very differently.

[QUOTE=skinsguy;767272]All in all, I still believe we upgraded by going with Donovan McNabb even though it doesn't appear so this season.[/QUOTE]
I would feel so much better if he steps it up down the stretch.
I was expecting McNabb/Kyle to at least match the passing game production from last year.

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[quote=Mattyk;767184]Not really a completely fair comparison since the Colts have had that same system since Manning came into the league. And even then they've certainly had their share of struggles this year.[/quote]

When the Colts offense struggles they usually come back the next week with a vengeance. 14 points against the Chargers produced a season low for them the next week they put up 35 points. We on the other hand have posted less then 20 points in 8 games this season including the last 3 games.

And to make matters one of the games that we did manage to put up over 20 points was thanks to the fact that Banks gave us a TD Return against the Lions not to mention the fact that Banks has given our offense plenty of chances to work with a short field. So with that our offense has failed to post more than 20 points in 9 games this season.

We've also had two games won by defensive scores (Dallas and Chicago).

[quote=firstdown;767297]While they played good it was nothing that impressive.[/quote]

Strongly disagree with that statement as it relates to Collins. Collins played lights out during that late season playoff run posting a QB rating of 106. It would have been higher had it not been for the terrible winds at Giants Stadium during his second start.

We were also in position to beat Seattle during the playoffs.

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I know I was all giddy for McNabb this offseason that the hard drives hosting this forum want the space back.

HOWEVER, all that optimism was that we were finally going to get a running game and thus make McNabb more useful without having him to throw 30+ times every stinking time to win games. He CANNOT carry the O by himself and do something like lead the team down the field by converting short pass after short pass like many of the truly elite QBs and to-be great-to-elite QBs can.

He's not a complete QB anymore, and it's arguable he never was because of his poor performance in the short passing game when guys like Brian Westbrook are not helping him out. I'm [B]not [/B]absolutely disgusted with his play, but his play has been very underwhelming.

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[quote=44ever;767258]Good post. That makes the most sense. What better position for a young QB to be in, A HOF QB to sit under, one that will only play for another year or two. But for this to work, we must secure a young future QB next season at the latest. I think we will see that.

I don't think Shanny is planning moment by moment, he has a plan. [B]McNabb is just a bridge[/B] that not only gives us a chance to win now but the future as well.[/quote]

Damn expensive bridge if you ask me. I think when the season is finally over, people will still ask, and rightfully so, are we that much better off now that Jason Campbell is no longer here and Donovan McNabb is the Redskins' quarterback. Especially if the Raiders back into the playoffs or sniff a winning record.

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It was time for Campbell to go, and I don't know whatbthe Raiders possibly backing into the playoffs has to do with anything.

We should have kept Chase

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THE O LINE has to be fixed first...and foremost. Without it and welcome to Detroit. WITH it and you will be amazed at how much better everybody else on the Offense becomes......including #5
Theismann....Williams....Rypien...etc

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[quote=12thMan;767311]Damn expensive bridge if you ask me. I think when the season is finally over, people will still ask, and rightfully so, are we that much better off now that Jason Campbell is no longer here and Donovan McNabb is the Redskins' quarterback. Especially if the Raiders back into the playoffs or sniff a winning record.[/quote]

First of all, The money doesn't mean crap to anyone but DS and he has more than he can spend so we need to stop making money a factor in these situations.

Secondly, JC was on his way out wether DM came here or not. And if people will ask if we are better off without JC now that DM is the Redskin QB, the answer is YES. Give DM last years Defense or this years playing the 4-3 and Portis And DM more than puts up enough points to win most of the games we lost.

I've said this before, bring JC back here and he would be just like last year or worse.

The team as a whole is playing worse than last year. Sad but true.

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[quote=tc2deuce;767151]put any qb behind that line and you will look like crap[/quote]

Even when he's had time, he's been bad.

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[quote=44ever;767314]First of all, The money doesn't mean crap to anyone but DS and he has more than he can spend so we need to stop making money a factor in these situations.

Secondly, JC was on his way out wether DM came here or not. And if people will ask if we are better off without JC now that DM is the Redskin QB, the answer is YES. Give DM last years Defense or this years playing the 4-3 and Portis And DM more than puts up enough points to win most of the games we lost.

I've said this before, bring JC back here and he would be just like last year or worse.

The team as a whole is playing worse than last year. Sad but true.[/quote]

I wasn't referring to the money, but rather the draft picks we gave up for what, thus far, has been a very underwhelming Donovan McNabb.

As far as JC goes, as long as McNabb continues to have sub-par performances, I think the Jason Campbell discussion will always have some relevance to Skins fans.

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[quote=44ever;767314]First of all, The money doesn't mean crap to anyone but DS and he has more than he can spend so we need to stop making money a factor in these situations.

Secondly, JC was on his way out wether DM came here or not. And if people will ask if we are better off without JC now that DM is the Redskin QB, the answer is YES. Give DM last years Defense or this years playing the 4-3 and Portis And DM more than puts up enough points to win most of the games we lost.

I've said this before, bring JC back here and he would be just like last year or worse.

The team as a whole is playing worse than last year. Sad but true.[/quote]

He's a bridge to nowhere. There's a whole host of second rounders who already have panned out this year that we could have used long after McNabb would be gone. Terrence Cody, Nate Allen, hell, even reaching for Jared Veldheer would have benefited us more than McNabb.

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[quote=30gut;767302]Lets be honest.
Our passing game is not better.
Yards is probably the least meaningful metric in terms of measuring the quality of a passing offense.

We're a few 3rd down conversions away from converting the fewest 3rd downs in the past 40 years in the NFL, that my friend is not good.
Our passing offense this year is worse then last year in all the meaningful metrics:
YPA, RZ conversion %, the already mentioned 3rd down conversion, QB rating, comp %.

If you think having more yards is more important then the other stats then we see offense very differently.


I would feel so much better if he steps it up down the stretch.
I was expecting McNabb/Kyle to at least match the passing game production from last year.[/quote]

thats a good post right there. my main issue if we are comparing this year to last was that almost every passing play was no more than 3 yds from the LOS, with most yards (i think almost 70%) came from YAC, which placed JC way way ahead of the rest of the pack. plus all the garbage yards JC and our offense picked up last year. if a team was up by 2 scores by halftime, they were shutting it down in terms of agressiveness, playing conservative, making them march down the field offense.

with completion percentage, qb rating (which i stopped really considering) i think a dink and dunk offense gives you go numbers but where are you? right back to where we were before gibbs II after the 1st season, looking for an offense that can stretch the field to eliminate the 8 man box. enter lloyd and ARE.

we finally finally have a "stretch the field" passing attack after so many years of putting our run game against 8 man boxes, i like it. i see it as a step into the modern nfl offense.

woot woot posting on the weeknight!

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[quote=irish;767171]DM has no running game, terrible WRs and a crummy O line so its tough to look good or make anything happen. DM is past his prime but if he had some weapons he'd be playing much better.[/quote]

Exactly

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Look at starting QBs in the NFC this year and ask yourself if Donovan McNabb is better or worse than his peers - - in 2010. His "Peers" are QBs who have been starters on NFC teams in 2010...

Philly:
Michael Vick - - better than DM
Kevin Kolb - - not better than DM

Dallas:
Tony Romo - - not better than DM
Jon Kitna not better than DM

NY Giants:
Eli Manning - - better than DM

Atlanta:
Matt Ryan - - better than DM

New Orleans:
Drew Brees - - better than DM

Carolina:
Jimmy Claussen - - not better than DM
Brian St. Pierre - - not better than DM (he DID start for the Pantloads this year)

Tampa:
Josh Freeman - - PUSH with DM

Green Bay:
Aaron Rodgers - - better than DM

Detroit:
Matt Stafford - - not better than DM
Shaun Hill - - not better than DM
Drew Stanton - not better than DM

Minnesota:
Brett Favre - - not better than DM

Chicago:
Jay Cutler - - PUSH with DM (better the last 4 games; not as good the first 8 games)

SF:
Alex Smith - - not better than DM
Troy Smith - - not better than DM
David Carr - - not better than DM

St. Louis:
Sam Bradford - - better than DM

Arizona:
Derek Anderson - - not better than DM
Max Hall - - not better than DM

Seattle:
Matt Hasselbeck - - PUSH with DM


In the NFC there have been 24 starting QBs counting DM. 6 are better;
3 are a PUSH; 14 are not better. That makes him solidly ABOVE average.

I could do this for the AFC too but it would probably come out the same.

The bottom line is that Donovan McNabb is not the best QB in the league or the conference - - but it would have been abjectly stupid to count him as such on the day the Redskins traded for him. He is better than a majority of his peers - - his peers are other players who have started at QB in 2010.

Back in the spring of 2010, the Skins had three choices; (1) they could keep Jason Campbell as the QB; (2) they could trade for a QB who had NFL experience or (3) they could draft a QB. Shanahan clearly did not want to stick with Campbell so trade or draft were the REAL options.

Look at some of the QBs who changed teams last year:

McNabb
Delhomme
Anderson
Troy Smith
Rosenfels
Losman
Quinn
Bulger
Sorgi
Leinhart
[and probably a couple of others too]

Which QB on that list of "available via trade/free agency' would you want on your team in 2010? If you say anyone other than McNabb you just have not been paying attention...

There was NO WAY the Skins could have drafted Sam Bradford. So, which other rookie QB is lighting it up in the NFL this year to the point that you would say he is better than Donovan McNabb right now? Colt McCoy is a possibility but he has really only played 3 games. Tim Tebow? Max Hall, John Skelton, Rusty Smith?

Am I disgusted with McNabb's play in 2010. HELL NO!!

Could he play better? OF COURSE!

Could the Skins be worse off at QB? YOU BET!

Was there a better option available to the Skins for 2010? NO...

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[quote=12thMan;767318]I wasn't referring to the money, [B]but rather the draft picks we gave up[/B] for what, thus far, has been a very underwhelming Donovan McNabb.

As far as JC goes, as long as McNabb continues to have sub-par performances, I think the Jason Campbell discussion will always have some relevance to Skins fans.[/quote]

Yeah I agree with you here. We are not in the position to give up picks, that has got to stop.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;767324]

In the NFC there have been 24 starting QBs counting DM. 6 are better;
3 are a PUSH; 14 are not better. That makes him solidly ABOVE average.

I could do this for the AFC too but it would probably come out the same.

The bottom line is that Donovan McNabb is not the best QB in the league or the conference - - but it would have been abjectly stupid to count him as such on the day the Redskins traded for him. He is better than a majority of his peers - - his peers are other players who have started at QB in 2010.

Back in the spring of 2010, the Skins had three choices; (1) they could keep Jason Campbell as the QB; (2) they could trade for a QB who had NFL experience or (3) they could draft a QB. Shanahan clearly did not want to stick with Campbell so trade or draft were the REAL options.

Look at some of the QBs who changed teams last year:

McNabb
Delhomme
Anderson
Troy Smith
Rosenfels
Losman
Quinn
Bulger
Sorgi
Leinhart
[and probably a couple of others too]

Which QB on that list of "available via trade/free agency' would you want on your team in 2010? If you say anyone other than McNabb you just have not been paying attention...

There was NO WAY the Skins could have drafted Sam Bradford. So, which other rookie QB is lighting it up in the NFL this year to the point that you would say he is better than Donovan McNabb right now? Colt McCoy is a possibility but he has really only played 3 games. Tim Tebow? Max Hall, John Skelton, Rusty Smith?

Am I disgusted with McNabb's play in 2010. HELL NO!!

Could he play better? OF COURSE!

Could the Skins be worse off at QB? YOU BET!

Was there a better option available to the Skins for 2010? NO...[/quote]

We could have traded Campbell even if we didn't get McNabb.

Our lower draft position thanks to McNabb harms us.

The opportunity cost of the second rounder may look a win for this year, but a Terrence Cody would be providing more than 0 utility three years from now.

Also, I wouldn't say Romo is worse than McNabb. He's a PUSH at worst. Shanahan loves Romo btw.

Re: Is anyone else just absolutely disgusted with DM5's play?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;767173]Neither do the Colts but their offense still functions. And before you call me crazy remember this is a team thats ranked 32nd in rushing. Their starting Left Tackle is a 6th round pick who's playing next to an undrafted free agent LG that was so good, we decided to cut him during his rookie year. Not to mention their receiving corps is going down faster then the Lusitania. Imagine what would happen if that description matched the Skins personnel.

Now obviously we can't expect McNabb to put up a 90 plus rating with some of the problems we've had on the offensive side of the ball, but I'm pretty sure we can expect a passer rating above 80. Especially considering the system he's in as well as the fact that he does have a decent receiving corps.

Usually a good QB can cover up a lot of deficiencies. I hate to break it to everyone but we're not going to have a line that reads top 5 pick, 2nd rounder, 1st rounder, big name free agent, 1st rounder. Fortunately we might be able to patch up the receiving corps through free agency and take it to the next level but still. I certainly expected better then 12 TD passes especially given all the red zone opportunities this team has had.[/quote]

Peyton has been in that system for over 10 years. How can u compare us to Indy.

Re: Is anyone else just absolutely disgusted with DM5's play?
 

[quote=44ever;767223]I'll tell you right now, If DM plays lights out for an entire season (next season), if we get in the playoffs he's done. Thats a fact. He has [U]never[/U] been able to play up to his potential in a big game. Ever! This is my only concern with DM.

With that said, surround him with some real talent and he will bring us to the playoffs.

Someone mentioned Mike Vick, Thats a unfair comparison since Vick is probably in top 3 for NFL MVP this season. Keep in mind, when Vick has no play, he runs. DM can't really do that anymore. So his options are more limited than Vick's. Not to mention his (Vicks) WR's are fast and open most of the time.[/quote]

So what are you on the Jets band wagon with your Avatar of 44 Riggo? I watch the John Riggo show and man he really seems to be a hater. As you can see when the Redskins are not ding well the fake ass fans jump the ship.