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[quote=Nomad;772929]he is trash, he think he can talk to adults like kids, that's the reason he failed, love seeing troy smith, give him the business.[/quote]

At the same time, you can't kiss the player's butts and give everything to them on a silver platter. As far as Singletary's mentality, that is the type of coach every team needs, although with more head coaching talent.

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[quote=Bucket;772751]Now, i'm not one to say.. "Hey, lets get this guy out of here after one year", but would you think it would be an upgrade to have him as our defensive cordinator next year?

He has the attitude of a practice and play kinda guy like Shanny. I think they would work well together though.[/quote]



You are, my friend, living in yo yo land. Haslett just put together a great defensive scheme for all the new players who played in yesterday's victory and you want to replace him.

You are a prime example of a goofy fan who should just keep your suggestions to yourself while you visit the bathroom. LMAO at your "should we" suggestion. I knew someone would say the absurd and you get the dildo for your post.

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[quote=skinsguy;772933]Andy Reid.[/quote]

And John Harbaugh

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[quote=Mattyk;772861]Shanahan signed a 5 year deal, I expect he will be here for at least that long. I don't think he came back for a quick hitter.[/quote]


I still say if things don't really turn around in the next two seasons Shanny is gone come Jan 1 2013. I say that because the fans are getting to the point that Lions fans were under Matt Millen. This season Mike gets a pass as he inherited a bad situation. Next year he will get somewhat of a pass, as well, but if 2012 is another crappy season fans are going to stay home or show up with bags on their heads, etc. Seriously these NFL ticket prices are a ripoff considering you are watching medicore football with the exception of a few elite teams that you can count on one hand. The FO needs to get a real plan with regards to building the team with younger players and drafting a lot smarter. If Snyder wants to drop a load of dough, he should get the best scouts in the game or just enlarge the # of scouts to evaluate potential draftees, young FAs and UFAs so we can find some real gems like Torain, AA, etc. If our FO drafts smart, doesn't give up any picks, and uses it to address needs of the team, I will rescind my 2013 prediction, but if the same silly crap occurs, I will hold to it. Just too much stupid shit thus far from the Mike and Bruce show so far for me to drink any kool aid.

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[quote=skinsguy;772933]Andy Reid.[/quote]

Both Andy Reid and John Harbaugh had 8 years plus of coaching experience in the college and professional level.

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[quote=Mattyk;772867]Gibbs was under .500 for his 2nd stint here, and DS would have let him continue on and heck he wanted to sign him on for an extension.[/quote]

Joe Gibbs is the one guy that DS could not and would not fire. I don't think Shanahan has that type of leash. But I think he gets 3 years.

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[quote=skinsfan69;772976]Joe Gibbs is the one guy that DS could not and would not fire. I don't think Shanahan has that type of leash. But I think he gets 3 years.[/quote]

That is the truest statement of all, There is no way DS could ever fire Gibbs. He is a legend in these parts like Joe Paterno is at Penn State.

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Luckily JG 2.0 stepped down when he did or this team would be even worse off than it is now as far as personnel.

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[url=http://www.aetv.com/heavy/index.jsp]Heavy - A&E TV[/url]

I was watching some A&E last night and they have their new show coming out called Heavy (like Intervention or Hoarders for fat people) soon. One of the counselor seems just like Mike Singletary big time. Click on Watch a Preview and jump to the 45 second mark.

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[quote=DIEHARD1980;772966]Both Andy Reid and John Harbaugh had 8 years plus of coaching experience in the college and professional level.[/quote]


That's not what you said. You said hiring a position coach as a Head Coach will always be a disaster and we proved to you that what you're saying is incorrect.

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[quote=irish;773052]Luckily JG 2.0 stepped down when he did or this team would be even worse off than it is now as far as personnel.[/quote]

Between Gibbs, Zorn, and or front office we threw away 6 years and it will take time to fix that mess. Everyone thought the return of Gibbs was great (me too) but after his second year I knew he was done.

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[quote=skinsfan69;772848]i think andy reid went from position coach to head coach. some guys can do it and i though mike s. was going to be a great hc. i think his old school ways kind of did him in. all that getting in the players faces and berating them doesn't work in todays nfl. also i remember reading that his practices were a mess. very unorganized and messy. john gruden will be their next head coach.[/quote]

Yup, not saying it can't be done, but saying that he needs more time before he's ready. He needs to see if he can be a successful coordinator before trying to run the show again, reason being that when that motivational nonsense starts to fall on deaf ears, the players have to be able to trust that you can formulate a winning strategy. Competence begets confidence.

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[quote=firstdown;773069]Between Gibbs, Zorn, and or front office we threw away 6 years and it will take time to fix that mess. Everyone thought the return of Gibbs was great (me too) [B]but after his second year I knew he was done[/B].[/quote]

You knew he was done after a 10-6 playoff year?

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[quote=Mattyk;772867]Gibbs was under .500 for his 2nd stint here, and DS would have let him continue on and heck he wanted to sign him on for an extension.[/quote]

To be fair, Gibbs II in just his second season went 10-6 and won a PLAYOFF game. In ten really long years 2000-2010 only Gibbs has taken us to the playoffs, and he did it twice in 4 years.
To be fair to Shanahan, we have to give Shanahan 3 to 4 years to really give him a fair chance to turn us around.
I am not impatient with Shanahan, give him time.
My only disappointment up to know with Shanahan is switching to 3-4 defense which set us even further back and created even more holes to fill on our roster. As if we did not already have a ton of holes to fill.
If you are going to do that, then commit to a total re-build and do not send valuable draft picks for an old veteran QB. Those two decision directly contradict themselves and was really poor planning.

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The problem with Gibbs 2.0 was that he gave away loads of draft picks that should now be contributing members of the Redskins. His record is what it is, its has lasting "legacy" of giving away draft picks thats really coming back to bite the organization now.

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[quote=irish;773082]The problem with Gibbs 2.0 was that he gave away loads of draft picks that should now be contributing members of the Redskins. His record is what it is, its has lasting "legacy" of giving away draft picks thats really coming back to bite the organization now.[/quote]

So what did Charlie Casserly's years of bad draft picks do to us then ?

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[quote=skinsguy;773060]That's not what you said. You said hiring a position coach as a Head Coach will always be a disaster and we proved to you that what you're saying is incorrect.[/quote]

well to be completely technical, i am wrong. So my question to you is, Do you feel Shanahan gives the redskins the best chance to win? if you do, send me some of that stuff you are smoking.

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Given the disruption and uncertainty that's marked the past two seasons, I think it's only fair to say that the jury is still out on the Shannahans. I'd give 'em another season (at the very least) and allow their program to grow some roots, before I start making any hard and fast pronouncements.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;773083]So what did Charlie Casserly's years of bad draft picks do to us then ?[/quote]

At least the Skins had the picks, made them, and they had the chance to pan out. With Gibbs 2.0 draft pick give-away, the Skins never even had those picks to see if they'd work. That's the thing with the draft, its an inexact thing so you need lots of picks to increase your chances of having more success and the misses dont hurt as much. When you only have a couple of picks you dont have any wiggle room, so a miss on a pick really creates big problems.

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[quote=irish;773082]The problem with Gibbs 2.0 was that he gave away loads of draft picks that should now be contributing members of the Redskins. His record is what it is, its has lasting "legacy" of giving away draft picks thats really coming back to bite the organization now.[/quote]

You are over simplifying the so called problem. Even when we had draft picks, we picked poorly. What good are draft picks if you have Vinny Cerrato and Snyder weighing on the decision. For example, the 2008 where we had 10 draft picks, not a single player is note worthy. Only Kareem Moore and Fred Davis are just now starting to make some noise. The rest are all gone or on IR.
The problem was not that we did not have enough draft picks. It was poor player evaluation/management. Proof is even the FA we signed sucked. Truth is Gibbs turned over a playoff to team Vinny and Zorn and they ran the teami nto the ground yet again.

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[quote=Defensewins;773079]To be fair, Gibbs II in just his second season went 10-6 and won a PLAYOFF game. In ten really long years 2000-2010 only Gibbs has taken us to the playoffs, and he did it twice in 4 years.
To be fair to Shanahan, we have to give Shanahan 3 to 4 years to really give him a fair chance to turn us around.
I am not impatient with Shanahan, give him time.
[B]My only disappointment up to know with Shanahan is switching to 3-4 defense which set us even further back and created even more holes to fill on our roster.[/B] As if we did not already have a ton of holes to fill.
If you are going to do that, then commit to a total re-build and do not send valuable draft picks for an old veteran QB. Those two decision directly contradict themselves and was really poor planning.[/quote]

How are we to know we wouldn't have been in the exact same position if they were still using the 4-3?

Couldn't it be that [U]11 straight years[/U] of not picking ANY defensive linemen in the first 4 rounds of the NFL draft finally caught up to us? That years and years of relying on free agent castoffs and late-round longshots up front brought us to where we are right now defensively?

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[quote=Defensewins;773088]You are over simplifying the so called problem. Even when we had draft picks, we picked poorly. What good are draft picks if you have Vinny Cerrato and Snyder weighing on the decision. For example, the 2008 where we had 10 draft picks, not a single player is note worthy. Only Kareem Moore and Fred Davis are just now starting to make some noise. The rest are all gone or on IR.
The problem was not that we did not have enough draft picks. It was poor player evaluation/management. Proof is even the FA we signed sucked. Truth is Gibbs turned over a playoff to team Vinny and Zorn and they ran the teami nto the ground yet again.[/quote]

I agree that poor player evaluation has been an issue for the Skins for awhile which is why having as many picks as possible was/is even more important. Gibbs did leave those coaches a playoff team but lets face it he didnt exactly leave them the Steelers of Patriots. I think if anything Gibbs saw the writing on the wall and knew he wrung all he could out of those guys and got out because he knew what was coming.

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[quote=irish]The problem with Gibbs 2.0 was that he gave away loads of draft picks that should now be contributing members of the Redskins. His record is what it is, its has lasting "legacy" of giving away draft picks thats really coming back to bite the organization now.[/quote]

[quote=Defensewins;773088]You are over simplifying the so called problem. Even when we had draft picks, we picked poorly. What good are draft picks if you have Vinny Cerrato and Snyder weighing on the decision. For example, the 2008 where we had 10 draft picks, not a single player is note worthy. Only Kareem Moore and Fred Davis are just now starting to make some noise. The rest are all gone or on IR.
The problem was not that we did not have enough draft picks. It was poor player evaluation/management. Proof is even the FA we signed sucked. Truth is Gibbs turned over a playoff to team Vinny and Zorn and they ran the teami nto the ground yet again.[/quote]

You're both right -- Gibbs set us back by trading away draft picks, but it wouldn't have mattered even if we had them because Gibbs/Snyder/Cerrato weren't good talent evaluators anyhow.

If we could go back and choose, I'd still take my chances with more draft picks, even if the people who were making those decisions sucked at it. Even broken clocks are right twice a day -- the more picks you have, sooner or later one or two is going to hit.

We were screwed either way.

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[quote=irish;773087]At least the Skins had the picks, made them, and they had the chance to pan out. With Gibbs 2.0 draft pick give-away, the Skins never even had those picks to see if they'd work. That's the thing with the draft, its an inexact thing so you need lots of picks to increase your chances of having more success and the misses dont hurt as much. When you only have a couple of picks you dont have any wiggle room, so a miss on a pick really creates big problems.[/quote]

So it's fine when you have a lot of picks even though none of them pan out because you had a lot of chances ? I get it.

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[quote=DIEHARD1980;773084]well to be completely technical, i am wrong. So my question to you is, Do you feel Shanahan gives the redskins the best chance to win? if you do, send me some of that stuff you are smoking.[/quote]

Compared to what or whom exactly? Because honestly, that's a stupid question to ask. Considering those who were interested and qualified to be head coach this season, and compared to what we had last season, yes Shanahan clearly gives the Redskins the best chance to win. He has the experience and the Super Bowl rings to prove it. He was only out of the game for one season and don't give me the "game has passed him by" line because the game is not going to pass a coach by who was only out of coaching for one season. That, is the most absurd thought anybody could ever form in his/her head.

And furthermore, I would suggest that anybody who wants to change coaches every season is taking some serious drugs, because that very thing is what has caused this team to be the laughing stock of the NFL for over a decade now. If this is what you want, you don't know football.

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I don't see why anyone hasn't discussed the real reason why Singlegary isn't the coach of the 49ers anymore. The reason is simple, Shuan Hill. Before the 2008 season, Singletary made Hill the starter, that's because he was 7-3 the prior season. Then Hill went 3 and 0 in 2009, and lost his 4th game to the last second miracle by Brett Farve in Minnessota.

The following week against Houston, they fell 21-0 after one half, and what does the inept Singleatary do? Take out the only QB who's had a winning record in SF since Jeff Garcia retired, and put in the loser Alex Smith. Suffice to say, the 49ers have had a losing record ever since. The dumbest move he could of done was jetison Hill over to Detroit, so Alex could continue to lose the team ball games un-impeded.

And the sad thing is, no one in SF realized that, on talk radio all day, I would hear people chastise Singletary for "not giving Alex Smith a fair chance". It was amzing how many excuses the SF media and fans would make for him, Singletary listened, and it cost him his job. I'll never forget when he said "Shaun has taken us as far as he can take us". Oh really, a OB with a 10-4 record isn't good enough to retain the starting position? Good riddance.

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[quote=Chico23231;772815]to get rid of Shanny now would be effing retarded. [B]Thats the problem with this piss poor franchise Danny Boy has run into the ground[/B], too much change and not enough patience. Who the f*ck thought this team was a playoff team coming into this year? your effing retarded too[/quote]

If I could choose 1 person to go into space and live for a decade it would be Daniel Snyder.... I only wish we could have done that 10 years ago b/c of his meddling with the team but isn't it great that as soon as he turns over power its to Coach who doesnt have any better a clue it seems.:soapbox:

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;773097]So it's fine when you have a lot of picks even though none of them pan out because you had a lot of chances ? I get it.[/quote]

I'm not saying it fine to have a lot of picks and none work out. I'm saying that having a lot a pick increases your chances of success.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;773130]I don't see why anyone hasn't discussed the real reason why Singlegary isn't the coach of the 49ers anymore. The reason is simple, Shuan Hill. Before the 2008 season, Singletary made Hill the starter, that's because he was 7-3 the prior season. Then Hill went 3 and 0 in 2009, and lost his 4th game to the last second miracle by Brett Farve in Minnessota.

The following week against Houston, they fell 21-0 after one half, and what does the inept Singleatary do? Take out the only QB who's had a winning record in SF since Jeff Garcia retired, and put in the loser Alex Smith. Suffice to say, the 49ers have had a losing record ever since. The dumbest move he could of done was jetison Hill over to Detroit, so Alex could continue to lose the team ball games un-impeded.

And the sad thing is, no one in SF realized that, on talk radio all day, I would hear people chastise Singletary for "not giving Alex Smith a fair chance". It was amzing how many excuses the SF media and fans would make for him, Singletary listened, and it cost him his job. I'll never forget when he said "Shaun has taken us as far as he can take us". Oh really, a OB with a 10-4 record isn't good enough to retain the starting position? Good riddance.[/quote]

I heard a lot of it had to do with getting into the faces of offensive players on the sidelines during games and not keeping his cool. It's fine to be fiery and act like a maniac when you're a middle linebacker. But not as a head coach.

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[quote=irish;773194]I'm not saying it fine to have a lot of picks and none work out. I'm saying that having a lot a pick increases your chances of success.[/quote]

Basically we can only dissect what has gone on since 1999 ? Here's a link to one of my favorite sites Pro Football Reference. Check out the draft history of the Redskins. And even though you may not want to accept it, there was football, bad football at that, here since 1992.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/draft.htm]Washington Redskins All-Time Draft History - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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[quote=Beemnseven;773195]I heard a lot of it had to do with getting into the faces of offensive players on the sidelines during games and not keeping his cool. It's fine to be fiery and act like a maniac when you're a middle linebacker. But not as a head coach.[/quote]

Really? Have you ever seen the sideline blow-ups between Bill Parcells and Phil Simms? I don't see how those are any different. If he was winning, they wouldn't care if he yelled or not. And the reason they're not winning is because they traded the only QB who's been consistently winning for them.

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[quote=skinsguy;773128]Compared to what or whom exactly? Because honestly, that's a stupid question to ask. Considering those who were interested and qualified to be head coach this season, and compared to what we had last season, yes Shanahan clearly gives the Redskins the best chance to win. He has the experience and the Super Bowl rings to prove it. He was only out of the game for one season and don't give me the "game has passed him by" line because the game is not going to pass a coach by who was only out of coaching for one season. That, is the most absurd thought anybody could ever form in his/her head.

And furthermore, I would suggest that anybody who wants to change coaches every season is taking some serious drugs, because that very thing is what has caused this team to be the laughing stock of the NFL for over a decade now. If this is what you want, you don't know football.[/quote]

I am not sure if you have noticed that in the past 10 years, the nfl has become more a business regarding if the product is not selling you must take it off the shelf. When players dont produce they are let go, and the same goes for coaching staffs. I totally feel that Snyder has and is doing everything possible to build a championship organization. We as fans can argue on forums like this all day, but at the end of the day. You will take any action that the owner decides is best for his organization. :Smoker:

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[quote=DIEHARD1980;773365]I am not sure if you have noticed that in the past 10 years, the nfl has become more a business regarding if the product is not selling you must take it off the shelf. When players dont produce they are let go, and the same goes for coaching staffs. I totally feel that Snyder has and is doing everything possible to build a championship organization. We as fans can argue on forums like this all day, but at the end of the day. You will take any action that the owner decides is best for his organization. :Smoker:[/quote]

Can you name the Super Bowl winning coaches who weren't allowed to stew for at least a couple years? You can only be so impatient with nature before it bites you in the ass.

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Mike Singletary was a GREAT player.

GREAT player does not necessarily translate into great coach. In fact, the number of GREAT players who turned out to be GREAT coaches also is pretty small.

Mike Singletary was hired to be a head coach long before he had had the coaching experiences to prepare him for that job.

Maybe the next team that hires him as a head coach - - in 3-4 years? - - will get themselves a really good head coach. Time will tell...

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[quote=Shadowbyte;773362]Really? Have you ever seen the sideline blow-ups between Bill Parcells and Phil Simms? I don't see how those are any different. If he was winning, they wouldn't care if he yelled or not. And the reason they're not winning is because they traded the only QB who's been consistently winning for them.[/quote]

Yes, really. Apparently it went further than the normal blowups you see between players and coaches. There's always some of that to a degree.

Now -- you could still be right, if Singletary decided to get rid of the wrong guy, then certainly that had to have been a factor in his dismissal.

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On a related note, Wade's going to the Texans

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Yea and Weis is rumored to go to UF as Off Coord

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[quote=DIEHARD1980;773365]I am not sure if you have noticed that in the past 10 years, the nfl has become more a business regarding if the product is not selling you must take it off the shelf. When players dont produce they are let go, and the same goes for coaching staffs. I totally feel that Snyder has and is doing everything possible to build a championship organization. We as fans can argue on forums like this all day, but at the end of the day. You will take any action that the owner decides is best for his organization. :Smoker:[/quote]

And I'm not sure you have noticed but replacing the coach every year to two years has not made the Washington Redskins successful. The idea that you keep switching the system if it doesn't work in the first year is about as foolish as lighting a cigarette while being drenched with gasoline.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;773362]Really? Have you ever seen the sideline blow-ups between Bill Parcells and Phil Simms? I don't see how those are any different. If he was winning, they wouldn't care if he yelled or not. And the reason they're not winning is because they traded the only QB who's been consistently winning for them.[/quote]

Things have gotten softer. You're talking 20+ years ago when Gibbs would be fiery, at least in the locker room. With continuous sports coverage and additional media outlets it's a lot bigger of a ego hit to players now, whether that's soft or not.

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[quote=SmootSmack;773613]On a related note, Wade's going to the Texans[/quote]

The Texans with a formidable defense huh? That could be scary. I guess that they'll keep Kubiak?