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[quote=Ruhskins;774756]There is no way in hell Baltimore lets Ngata walk.[/quote]

They shouldn't thats for damn sure... He will be a free agent though and has been underpaid for a few years. He's played the NT and DE position for the Ravens.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;774759]Is that all? Why not add here that he should try to convince Atlanta to trade Matt Ryan for Donovan McNabb even up? Or maybe get DeSean Jackson for Albert Haynesworth even up? Those would be good moves too...[/quote]

Ryan and Jackson aren't free agents.

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[quote=SBXVII;774808]Well I'm sure at this point and time most players will have each others backs considering the CBA and all but I was refering to players having the Shanahan's back in this case. Apparently they like what the coach's are doing and how they are handling things.[/quote]

And as I said, I believe that the Redskins players agree with the way it's being handled because they know more about the situation at hand than say, practically anyone from another team or former players in the media.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;774810]Ryan and Jackson aren't free agents.[/quote]

Have you uploaded the new 2011 version of your sarcasm detection app? It appears that yours is broken.

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[quote=Paintrain;774826]Have you uploaded the new 2011 version of your sarcasm detection app? It appears that yours is broken.[/quote]

Without tags or smilies, it's harder to detect sarcasm. It was just a false negative.

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[quote=Chico23231;774739]I like both those names ALOT. Kalil the center in Carolina and Vincent Jackson are 2 names Id like to be hearing after those 2.[/quote]

If we get one free agent I want it to be Kalil. Regardless of the offseason strategy. He is considered the second best center in the league by ESPN and in all actuality he's probably a much better zone blocker then the leagues premier guy, Nick Mangold. And just to sweeten the pot, remember this, he's more highly regarded then Alex Mack. That's how good Kalil is.

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[quote=Mattyk;774714]I think the McNabb thing is a bit overblown. People know that Shanahan has won a lot of games in this league doing things his way. If you perform you've got nothing to worry about. Can we sit here today and really say that DM was performing at a high level? Anyone?[/quote]

DM has won a lot of games in this league as well. Can we sit here today and say Shanahan is performing at a high level? It's really hard to tell at this point.

I have to agree with the OP, I would be hesitant to send my guy to the Redskins org. in fear of deflating his value in the future if he didnt live up to Shans expectations.

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[quote=44ever;774835]DM has won a lot of games in this league as well. [B]Can we sit here today and say Shanahan is performing at a high level?[/B] It's really hard to tell at this point.

I have to agree with the OP, I would be hesitant to send my guy to the Redskins org. in fear of deflating his value in the future if he didnt live up to Shans expectations.[/quote]

I'd say yes. This team was coming off a 4 win season against a ridiculously easy schedule. Yet they were able to pull off 6 wins and would have had about 8 had they not had to deal with kicking troubles. A new defense and a new offense yet with the exception of the Giants and Eagles they were able to play hard week in and week out. So maybe not a high level yet, but personally I like the direction the team is headed.

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[quote=14WOODS;774740]I bet some players appreciate the fact that Shanahan does not coddle players the likes of McNabb/Haynesworth. Shanahan could give 2 sh!ts what people think about him and is all about winning. That is the kind of coach you want to play for if championships are your end goal.[/quote]

some players like it, others hate it.

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[quote=44ever;774835]DM has won a lot of games in this league as well. Can we sit here today and say Shanahan is performing at a high level? It's really hard to tell at this point.

I have to agree with the OP, I would be hesitant to send my guy to the Redskins org. in fear of deflating his value in the future if he didnt live up to Shans expectations.[/quote]

DM had a significant hand in deflating his own value. Were Shanahan's expectations so incredibly high? I mean we're talking about a QB with more INTs than TDs and a 77 rating. Once the team was mathematically eliminated, he shut him down to evaluate Rex.

The benching in Detroit was mishandled, but the drama over sitting him down with 3 games to go is just nonsense, and ultimately the whole DM saga will not be any factor whatsoever in bringing in free agents in 2011.

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i like the WR crop, aside from the big names i like James Jones & Sims-Walker... they both have breakout potential.

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[quote=Mattyk;774839]DM had a significant hand in deflating his own value. Were Shanahan's expectations so incredibly high? I mean we're talking about a QB with more INTs than TDs and a 77 rating. Once the team was mathematically eliminated, he shut him down to evaluate Rex.

The benching in Detroit was mishandled, but the drama over sitting him down with 3 games to go is just nonsense, and ultimately the whole DM saga will not be any factor whatsoever in bringing in free agents in 2011.[/quote]

He even admitted the fact he could have been more forthcoming about the situation in Detroit but, as far as all the talk about disrespect, I just don't get it.

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As far as McNabb is concerned ..ask yourself this .. Did Brett Favre playing with the Jets for one year set back the Jets ? I know it's not a great example as far as the situation but there hardly is a good example, however as far an aging QB who played with a team for one year then bolted I think it's similar ... HTTR ...

Plus I don't think Shanny has any foot fetish videos .. so we have that going on for us

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Only 3 guys I want.... Vick, M. Floyd, Randy Moss! S.moss go to slot we add some solid linemen to the draft..... and I would literly move from where Im at to the D.C. metro area!

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Joseph Addai and Cedric Benson.....I'd like to grab either one of those guys.

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[quote=Nomad;774852]Only 3 guys I want.... Vick, M. Floyd, Randy Moss! S.moss go to slot we add some solid linemen to the draft..... and I would literly move from where Im at to the D.C. metro area![/quote]

We already saw that QB's from the Eagles offense don't translate well to our system yet you want to bring in another guy from that very same system? For better or worse Reid QB's will not translate well into this offense. Part of the reason Vick has been so successful is a combination of committing to the pocket and being allowed to improvise.

As for Moss good riddance. Lazy, only want to run one route, build the offense around me, diva.

VJax is fine so long as he's an actual free agent.

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[quote=Nomad;774852]Only 3 guys I want.... Vick, M. Floyd, Randy Moss! S.moss go to slot we add some solid linemen to the draft..... and I would literly move from where Im at to the D.C. metro area![/quote]

Randy Moss is finished. Do not want.

He busted with 2 teams this season, AFTER being let go from the league's best team...who didn't lose a step after his absence. In fact, NE looks better without him.

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[quote=Nomad;774852]Only 3 guys I want.... Vick, M. Floyd, Randy Moss! S.moss go to slot we add some solid linemen to the draft..... and I would literly move from where Im at to the D.C. metro area![/quote]

Randy Moss? Seriously dude? Turn off the Madden and do some research, Moss is done.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;774856]We already saw that QB's from the Eagles offense don't translate well to our system yet you want to bring in another guy from that very same system? For better or worse Reid QB's will not translate well into this offense. Part of the reason Vick has been so successful is a combination of committing to the pocket and being allowed to improvise.

As for Moss good riddance. Lazy, only want to run one route, build the offense around me, diva.

VJax is fine so long as he's an actual free agent.[/quote]

I think McNabb's biggest flaw are that he misses the "easy yards" either by "**** IT, I'M GOING DEEP" or his balls in the dirt. Vick can at least avoid that and has some mobility, which the elder Shanny likes(Elway, Plummer, and even Cutler had some wheels). That said, Eagles aren't letting Vick go.

Kolb could fit better though. He's super accurate and has some mobility, just not Vick-like mobility.

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[quote=Nomad;774852]Only 3 guys I want.... Vick, M. Floyd, Randy Moss! S.moss go to slot we add some solid linemen to the draft..... and I would literly move from where Im at to the D.C. metro area![/quote]

Get out of here Vinny!!!

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[quote=Nomad;774852]Only 3 guys I want.... Vick, M. Floyd, Randy Moss! S.moss go to slot we add some solid linemen to the draft.....[B] and I would literly move from where Im at to the D.C. metro area![/quote][/B]

Do they have direct flights from Jupiter to DC now?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;774907]I think McNabb's biggest flaw are that he misses the "easy yards" either by "**** IT, I'M GOING DEEP" or his balls in the dirt. Vick can at least avoid that and has some mobility, which the elder Shanny likes(Elway, Plummer, and even Cutler had some wheels). That said, Eagles aren't letting Vick go.

Kolb could fit better though. He's super accurate and has some mobility, just not Vick-like mobility.[/quote]

That brings up a good point though. What is Shanahan's system exactly? I was under the impression that it was based on progressions that start deep and then work their way down, along with the bootlegs, play action, and zone blocking. I think Jaws called it 3 to 1 with 3 being the deep zone and 1 being 5 yards in front of and 5 yards behind the line of scrimage.

On the other hand I was also under the impression that Reid emphasizes short dump offs before going deep as evidenced by the heavy use of Brian Westbrook during his days in Philly. It seems that only recently with the acquisition of Desean Jackson that the team has implemented more deep passes.

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We need to worry about making solid draft picks 1st then signing mid level free agents to fill out the areas we need to build some depth or insert veteran starter. I dont think we should sign any big name free agents as they NEVER seem to work out for us. The only big name I would like is to bring Champ Bailey in at free safety for a couple years if he will sign for a REASONABLE price. I think he would come back to Washington and play for Shanahan again.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;774928]We need to worry about making solid draft picks 1st then signing mid level free agents to fill out the areas we need to build some depth or insert veteran starter. [/quote]Kind of hard to use that strategy when FA starts in early March and the draft isn't until mid-late April.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;774938]Kind of hard to use that strategy when FA starts in early March and the draft isn't until mid-late April.[/quote]

I know it starts earlier, but id still rather wait and sign the best available veteran free agents/undrafted rookie free agents after the draft. It just seems that we have no luck signing big name free agents.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;774916]That brings up a good point though. What is Shanahan's system exactly? I was under the impression that it was based on progressions that start deep and then work their way down, along with the bootlegs, play action, and zone blocking. I think Jaws called it 3 to 1 with 3 being the deep zone and 1 being 5 yards in front of and 5 yards behind the line of scrimage.

On the other hand I was also under the impression that Reid emphasizes short dump offs before going deep as evidenced by the heavy use of Brian Westbrook during his days in Philly. It seems that only recently with the acquisition of Desean Jackson that the team has implemented more deep passes.[/quote]
Well, just looking deep first doesn't mean that there aren't shorter routes to go to if the deep ball isn't there. It also doesn't help that we don't have an Andre Johnson to make those deep bombs more successful.

I was mainly talking about McNabb's decision-making with us. There were a good chunk of plays where he just went for it all instead of making the safe pass for the sure yards. Then there were times he made said passes but they fell in the dirt. It seems like he was dreaming of T.O. :cheeky-sm

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So, here we are again. Getting geared up for a possible FA shopping spree after yet another lousy season. This has become our Super Bowl year after year. I wonder if I'll even be alive to see another decent 'Skins team take the field. Good night all, I'm going into hibernation until next July.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;774810]Ryan and Jackson aren't free agents.[/quote]

That's preciesely why I said you would have to trade for them.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;774958]So, here we are again. Getting geared up for a possible FA shopping spree after yet another lousy season. This has become our Super Bowl year after year. I wonder if I'll even be alive to see another decent 'Skins team take the field. Good night all, I'm going into hibernation until next July.[/quote]

A good FA crop gave us the mixed bag of Gibbs II. Don't worry, next season will be 2005 all over again...if there is a next season.

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I think if we're gonna make a move it should be for one of Paul Posluszny, Chad Greenway or Barrett Ruud.

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Is Pittsburgh really going to let Woodley walk? I doubt it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;775028]Is Pittsburgh really going to let Woodley walk? I doubt it.[/quote]

I think he may want to test the market, especially after they didn't give him the long term deal he wanted last summer

Regardless, even though I know I said his name has been attached to the Skins. I don't believe he's coming here, similar to the Peppers situation last year

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What will make free agency even more interesting this year is that it will probably come AFTER the draft. This will possibly mean teams will be less focused on filling a need in the draft and more on getting the best player available. In turn, teams will fill in the remaining team needs after the draft.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;775042]What will make free agency even more interesting this year is that it will probably come AFTER the draft. This will possibly mean teams will be less focused on filling a need in the draft and more on getting the best player available. In turn, teams will fill in the remaining team needs after the draft.[/quote]

Wait... are you sure? Source?

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OLine!! we need OLineman!!!

ryan kahlil
davin joeseph
lyle sendline
carl nicks

go get some of those guys 'skins

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[quote=44ever;774835]DM has won a lot of games in this league as well. Can we sit here today and say Shanahan is performing at a high level? It's really hard to tell at this point.

I have to agree with the OP, I would be hesitant to send my guy to the Redskins org. in fear of deflating his value in the future if he didnt live up to Shans expectations.[/quote]

I think it all depends on which Shanahan your talking about and what your expectations were?

When Mike Shanahan was hired everyone "assumed" he would install his running game and this team would be back in the play offs. Instead I personally think Mike realized he does not have the personel to run his "running scheme" and relied more on his son and the passing attack he brings to the table. Remember our OL is not good and he most likely realized it figuring they wouldn't create too many holes for the RB's. He had to have known by preseasons end.

So if your evaluating MS based on how well the team performed then no MS didn't "seem" to have done a good job, but he was not dealt a good hand either. I actually commend MS for the way he handled the players. We needed a tough HC to come in and not take any crap from the owner, or the prima dona players with their lazy attitudes and expectation of playing time. As long as all the players are treated equally then no one can complain. Haynesworth didn't want to participate from the beginning, it showed, and when he did show he thought he could either bully his way into playing the position he wanted to play only or become a problem. He got his wish... he was the problem. I'm not saying he's not a good player just saying sometimes players need to do whats asked of them. Thats what a "team player" is all about.

McNabb's benching I also don't have a problem with. If you take a moment and think back although McNabb was "better" then Campbell, he seemed to have his issues also. The very issue's for which I was against picking up McNabb and voiced those issues when the team did pick him up. Heck in Sept I had a co worker to is an Eagles fan telling the same issues and was glad the Eagles had gotten rid of McNabb.

It's pretty bad when you a fan and want the team to dump your HOF/ starting QB for an unknown but that also should have been a red flag to our organization. McNabb was slow into and out of the huddle, took too much time looking over the defense giving the defense time to adjust to the formation, either over threw players or threw dirt balls, and lastly is not a 2 min drill type of QB. He's definitly awesome with 4-5 min. left on the clock for a come back but leave him with 2 min. or less and he's just too slow and methodical.

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[quote=DCtoAZ;774851]As far as McNabb is concerned ..ask yourself this .. Did Brett Favre playing with the Jets for one year set back the Jets ? I know it's not a great example as far as the situation but there hardly is a good example, however as far an aging QB who played with a team for one year then bolted I think it's similar ... HTTR ...

Plus I don't think Shanny has any foot fetish videos .. so we have that going on for us[/quote]

I think the bigger issue is the fans had high expectations. Meaning some fans expected McNabb to come in and take this team to the play offs simply because he most likely will become a HOF. It's kinda hard to come to a team with only 4 months prior to the start of the season, learn all the play calls, have only 3-4 weeks to practice the plays and get them down like the back of your hand, and also have all the other players on page also. There will be a learning curve. We got to see what McNabbs was. If he stays around another year I'm sure he will know the offense better, but I doubt he stays around since Sexy Rexy (with his interceptions and fumblitis) seems to have a much greater grasp of the offense and how it should be run.

On a side note did anyone else notice at the start of the game Grossman would come out of the huddle fast, the lineman would only be set for 1 sec., and the ball was hiked not giving the defense time to adjust to the formation? the runs looked pretty good and some holes were made for them. But after the half Grossman seemed to me to come out of the huddle slow, the lineman would set for 3-5 seconds prior to the snap, and the offense as a whole did not produce as well. The run game diminished which looked like we were forced to pass only.

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[quote=takethecake;775044]Wait... are you sure? Source?[/quote]

Free agency cant begin until a new CBA is reached, and its not expected to be reached before March when FA has historically begun. I had not considered that aspect of it but Larry Weisman was talking about it on ESPN980 yesterday.

In my opinion, it makes more sense for the draft to occur before free agency, atleast from the teams perspective.

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Im sure we will over pay for over the hill underachievers wanting to get paid. We cant break tradition.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;775054]Im sure we will over pay for over the hill underachievers wanting to get paid. We cant break tradition.[/quote]

We did [start to] break tradition last year. All of the old guys are cuttable with no cap hit. Bruce Allen sure has brought his contract designing expertise to the table.