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Free speech! Say anything you want and claim no responsibility!

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[quote=firstdown;777298]So now they are bashing Sarah agian for her statement and they are talking about how there is no way she wrote the statement. That's coming from the left that supports Mr. Teleprompter Obama.[/quote]
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The Left's fascination in tearing Palin down is pathetic. Like her views or not, no one has been attacked quite like she has since she came onto the scene in 2008. I get a kick out of the the Hollyweird types going after her and say she is not worth the time yet they cannot stop talking about her and what she does or says.

They do not have Bush to go after so she is the one they want to destroy.

Dissent is only a form of patriotism if you subscribe to the Left.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;777396]~~~~~~
The Left's fascination in tearing Palin down is pathetic. Like her views or not, no one has been attacked quite like she has since she came onto the scene in 2008. I get a kick out of the the Hollyweird types going after her and say she is not worth the time yet they cannot stop talking about her and what she does or says.

They do not have Bush to go after so she is the one they want to destroy.

[B]Dissent is only a form of patriotism if you subscribe to the Left[/B].[/quote]

I would think our founding fathers would have disagreed 110%.

Didn't someone once say:[SIZE=2] "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.[/SIZE]"

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[quote=Mattyk;777399]I would think our founding fathers would have disagreed 110%.

[B]Didn't someone once say:[SIZE=2] "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism[/B].[/SIZE]"[/quote]

Problem some pinko left wing commie intent on destroying 'merica!

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;777396]~~~~~~
The Left's fascination in tearing Palin down is pathetic. Like her views or not, no one has been attacked quite like she has since she came onto the scene in 2008. I get a kick out of the the Hollyweird types going after her and say she is not worth the time yet they cannot stop talking about her and what she does or says.

[B]They do not have Bush to go after so she is the one they want to destroy.[/B]

Dissent is only a form of patriotism if you subscribe to the Left.[/quote]

But she makes it so easy!

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[quote=FRPLG;777233]It's plain irresponsible to use this tragedy as a launching point to discuss the nature of rhetoric in our country as it applies to politics. It had nothing to do with politics...at all. It's pathetic that this is what the situation has become.[/quote]


What? A politician that gets shot at a political event has everything to do with politics. Was it purely political as in right or left ideology, that we don't know. But to simply dismiss this as some random act of violence by some nutcase is completely irresponsable.

First, the map Palin posted on her website wasn't from 2 or 3 years ago, it was as recent as the November mid-term elections that were recently held. That makes it very relevant as far as the toxic political environment goes.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;777416]What? A politician that gets shot at a political event has everything to do with politics. Was it purely political as in right or left ideology, that we don't know. But to simply dismiss this as some random act of violence by some nutcase is completely irresponsable.

First, the map Palin posted on her website wasn't from 2 or 3 years ago, it was as recent as the November mid-term elections that were recently held. [B]That makes it very relevant as far as the toxic political environment goes.[/[/B]QUOTE]


Thanks for a good laugh. Lets see her map was about seat they aimed to win. Thus they used the little aim things. Not sure how you could tie the two together. If I'm correct they have nothing on this guy that ties him to all this stupid speculation from the left.

What makes her map any different then this map the dems used.
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No telling how many people have been shot living in the states they have targets on. Now that I look at that map again the target on Virginia is about where VT is located in Virginia. I bet this was the map that drove that guy to kill those other students.

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[quote=Mattyk;777399]I would think our founding fathers would have disagreed 110%.

Didn't someone once say:[SIZE=2] "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.[/SIZE]"[/quote]

Im pretty sure hes saying that cynically or sarcastically..... At least i hope so

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[quote=Mattyk;777399]I would think our founding fathers would have disagreed 110%.

Didn't someone once say:[SIZE=2] "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.[/SIZE]"[/quote]

The dissent from the tea party is what the left has a problem with if you ask me. You know the same left that spewed all the hate to Bush before he even took office.

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Remember when this stuff was not considered hate:

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We all remember what the left said when a few at a tea party rally had a sign like these.

[IMG]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-11/05/xin_56110205074649116421.jpg[/IMG]

But I guess hate only comes from the right. I don't remember these people in the news every night.

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[quote=mlmpetert;777435]Im pretty sure hes saying that cynically or sarcastically..... At least i hope so[/quote]

I am sure he is not. I'm pretty sure the founding fathers considered the right to dissent to be fundamental given that they started a revolution when the right was denied to them (You know, the taxation without representation thing).

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[quote=firstdown;777433][QUOTE=12thMan;777416]What? A politician that gets shot at a political event has everything to do with politics. Was it purely political as in right or left ideology, that we don't know. But to simply dismiss this as some random act of violence by some nutcase is completely irresponsable.

First, the map Palin posted on her website wasn't from 2 or 3 years ago, it was as recent as the November mid-term elections that were recently held. [B]That makes it very relevant as far as the toxic political environment goes.[/[/B]QUOTE]


Thanks for a good laugh. Lets see her map was about seat they aimed to win. Thus they used the little aim things. Not sure how you could tie the two together. If I'm correct they have nothing on this guy that ties him to all this stupid speculation from the left.

What makes her map any different then this map the dems used.
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No telling how many people have been shot living in the states they have targets on. Now that I look at that map again the target on Virginia is about where VT is located in Virginia. I bet this was the map that drove that guy to kill those other students.[/quote]

You're way off, man. Pull up the map that Palin used with cross hairs over Giffords name and congessional district. Oh wait, Palin pulled it down within hours of the shooting. I wonder why?

Anyway, I was --still am-- pulling for Sarah to at least make it to the primaries, now I'm not so sure. But the issue isn't whether the two are linked or not, it's that she continues to display amazingly bad judgement for someone with presidential aspirations.

^she has bad judgement for someone with PTA aspirations, let alone POTUS.

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She would be a trainwreck as a Presidential candidate. Sure would be entertaining though!

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I have theories as to why it's almost impossible for her not to run. I think this last bungled video damaged her big time though and might give her pause...unfortunately.

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[quote=firstdown;777441]Remember when this stuff was not considered hate:

We all remember what the left said when a few at a tea party rally had a sign like these.

But I guess hate only comes from the right. I don't remember these people in the news every night.[/quote]

No it comes from both sides and it should be stopped period. I don't get the need to go on the defensive.

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[quote=Ruhskins;777576]No it comes from both sides and it should be stopped period. I don't get the need to go on the defensive.[/quote]

I think every rational person agrees with that. Some people dont agree with him but Glenn Beck's Letter to The American People, Politicians and Media is something that every rational American should agree with. Maybe someone else can take credit for it so more people will sign it.


[url=http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/01/10/glenns-letter-to-the-american-people-politicians-and-media/]Glenn’s letter to the American people, politicians, and media – Glenn Beck[/url]


I challenge all Americans, left or right, regardless if you’re a politician, pundit, painter, priest, parishioner, poet or porn star to agree with all of the following.[LIST][*]I denounce violence, regardless of ideological motivation.[*]I denounce anyone, from the Left, the Right or middle, who believes physical violence is the answer to whatever they feel is wrong with our country.[*]I denounce those who wish to tear down our system and rebuild it in their own image, whatever that image may be.[*]I denounce those from the Left, the Right or middle, who call for riots and violence as an opportunity to bring down and reconstruct our system.[*]I denounce violent threats and calls for the destruction of our system – regardless of their underlying ideology – whether they come from the Hutaree Militia or Frances Fox Piven.[*]I hold those responsible for the violence, responsible for the violence. I denounce those who attempt to blame political opponents for the acts of madmen.[*]I denounce those from the Left, the Right or middle that sees violence as a viable alternative to our long established system of change made within the constraints of our constitutional Republic.[/LIST]I will stand with anyone willing to sign that pledge. Today I make a personal choice. I urge leaders of both sides and all walks of life to join me as all Americans joined hands on 9.12.2001.

I believe that we must change ourselves to hold on to our republic. That’s why I have been talking about e4. Enlightenment. Education. Empowerment. Entrepreneurship. It’s a personal solution for all of us to become the people we were born to be, not the people we’ve allowed ourselves to become. I have called for a personal revolution; change ourselves in order to change the world. Those who live with honor and are responsible to themselves and their families will be the key to the future of our Republic, not those playing political games.

While everyone seems to be focused on politics, I instead choose to focus on Christina Green, the nine year old victim killed Saturday. Born on 9.11.2001, she is now a victim of another case of horrific violence. I hope we can all remember Christina by acting the way we did when she was one day old: To focus on values and principles, to use common sense and stop playing politics

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[quote=12thMan;777549][quote=firstdown;777433]

You're way off, man. Pull up the map that Palin used with cross hairs over Giffords name and congessional district. Oh wait, Palin pulled it down within hours of the shooting. I wonder why?

Anyway, I was --still am-- pulling for Sarah to at least make it to the primaries, now I'm not so sure. But the issue isn't whether the two are linked or not, it's that [B]she continues to display amazingly bad judgement for someone with presidential aspirations[/B].[/quote]

Ding Ding Ding!!!

Absolutely agree.

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^ How could anyone vote for such an outright idoit? She is a joke in her party and every hardcore republican i know thinks shes is an ass or just a nice piece of ass...if anyone think she make an viable President they're an ass.

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[quote=Chico23231;777607]^ How could anyone vote for such an outright idoit? She is a joke in her party and every hardcore republican i know thinks shes is an ass or just a nice piece of ass...if anyone think she make an viable President they're an ass.[/quote]

I personally would not vote for her unless I had no other choice but she does not deserve the attacks she is getting from the left. Thats just the way the media and the left work as I pointed out above.

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Well, she sure doesn't shy away from controversy, so deserved or not she brings this stuff on herself at times. It's not like the right doesn't sling their share of BS too.

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[quote=firstdown;777610]I personally would not vote for her unless I had no other choice but she does not deserve the attacks she is getting from the left. Thats just the way the media and the left work as I pointed out above.[/quote]

I think to blame her or even try to shovel some blame her way or the tea party way is effing stoopid for this incident. Having the media point fingers the way it does is surely not surprising to me...msnbc or fox or whomever points fingers all the time judging people, condeming blame, its a circus....but I think most people realize this guy was a nutcase, politics aside.

I think the President said it best:

"At a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized -- at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do -- it's important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds,"

very well said

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[quote=firstdown;777610]I personally would not vote for her unless I had no other choice but s[B]he does not deserve the attacks she is getting from the left.[/B] [B]Thats just the way the media and the left work as I pointed out above.[/B][/quote]

So liberals are the only ones that attack political figures? No offense, but attacks and criticism come with the territory when you are a public figure.

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It's not about party, I was a huge McCain supporter, am a registered republican...but that woman is just a ****ing house plant in terms of intelligence.

Any thinking American should feel thoroughly insulted and embarrassed that she has held public office.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;778007]It's not about party, I was a huge McCain supporter, am a registered republican...but that woman is just a ****ing house plant in terms of intelligence.

Any thinking American should feel thoroughly insulted and embarrassed that she has held public office.[/quote]

We currently have and have had alot worse hold public office. Her track record is actually pretty good. I would not vote for her as president but for another office.

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Palin is a moron and that's coming from friends of mine who are Republicans. Just dont get why anyone would support her. I liked McCain, and was dumbfounded when he picked her. I am sure he would have done better with another VP candidate.

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The co-founder of the Tucson Tea Party said he is worried about the threats he is receiving, including a remark by a shooting victim made to him at a televised town hall meeting.
Trent Humphries told The Associated Press on Sunday he was surprised when shooting victim James Eric Fuller took a picture of him and said "you're dead."
The 63-year-old Fuller was arrested Saturday on disorderly conduct and threat charges and taken for a psychiatric exam.
Authorities say he began ranting at the end of ABC News' forum, at one point calling the audience "whores." The show, videotaped at St. Odilia's Catholic Church in Tucson, featured victims, witnesses, emergency responders and some of those hailed as heroes after the Jan. 8 shooting in which six people were killed and 14 injured.


Read more: [url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/16/tea-party-leader-surprised-death-threat-tucson-shooting-victim/#ixzz1BEuXJNQP]Tea Party Leader Surprised by Death Threat From Tucson Shooting Victim - FoxNews.com[/url]

About a year ago i was attacked and got injured pretty badly for absolutely no reason. By far the hardest part of everything that happened was not being able to put any order or reason as to what happened. Its extremely frustrating.

I think the same thing is going on here, for the victims involved and for us as spectators. At the end of the day the guy who did it was just flat out nuts and you cant control nuts. This has nothing to do with Palin, Obama, Republicans, Democrats or Tea Partiers, but it would be a lot easier to draw closure to the whole thing if it did. If we could say oh well Palin or Obama provoked this guy, okay lets stop them from provoking another person in the future, then things would be easier. Its extremely hard when you know that there is nothing that you can do to prevent what happened to you from happening to you or someone else again. The guy was nuts there is nothing that could have been done differently to prevent this from happening, especially in the political spectrum.

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[quote=mlmpetert;778245]The co-founder of the Tucson Tea Party said he is worried about the threats he is receiving, including a remark by a shooting victim made to him at a televised town hall meeting.
Trent Humphries told The Associated Press on Sunday he was surprised when shooting victim James Eric Fuller took a picture of him and said "you're dead."
The 63-year-old Fuller was arrested Saturday on disorderly conduct and threat charges and taken for a psychiatric exam.
Authorities say he began ranting at the end of ABC News' forum, at one point calling the audience "whores." The show, videotaped at St. Odilia's Catholic Church in Tucson, featured victims, witnesses, emergency responders and some of those hailed as heroes after the Jan. 8 shooting in which six people were killed and 14 injured.


Read more: [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/16/tea-party-leader-surprised-death-threat-tucson-shooting-victim/#ixzz1BEuXJNQP"]Tea Party Leader Surprised by Death Threat From Tucson Shooting Victim - FoxNews.com[/URL]

About a year ago i was attacked and got injured pretty badly for absolutely no reason. By far the hardest part of everything that happened was not being able to put any order or reason as to what happened. Its extremely frustrating.

I think the same thing is going on here, for the victims involved and for us as spectators. At the end of the day the guy who did it was just flat out nuts and you cant control nuts. This has nothing to do with Palin, Obama, Republicans, Democrats or Tea Partiers, but it would be a lot easier to draw closure to the whole thing if it did. If we could say oh well Palin or Obama provoked this guy, okay lets stop them from provoking another person in the future, then things would be easier. Its extremely hard when you know that there is nothing that you can do to prevent what happened to you from happening to you or someone else again. The guy was nuts there is nothing that could have been done differently to prevent this from happening, especially in the political spectrum.[/quote]

I think you're oversimplifying this tragedy. To say it had nothing to do with politics is comletely absurd. There was just too much thought and past contact with Rep. Giffords by the perpetrator to chalk this up to everyday crazy. I know there is a reluctance to pin it on this or that, but we have to more honest about the discussion as it pertains to people with mental illnesses.

How many mentallly ill people do you suppose are law abiding citizens in Arizona and we never hear a peep from them? Whatever the number, I wonder how many of them brandish weapons and threaten innocent lives in public. Very few. In fact, if you want to make the sanity vs insanity argument, I'm willing to bet more sane assholes murder more innocent bystanders than those that are clinically insane. What we're guilty of doing, in the wake of this horrific event, is drawing a straight line from mental illness to being a mass murder and in the process disparaging those who have a mental condition that warrants treatment. I just think we have to be careful, that's all.

Truth is we still don't know all the facts yet, but hopefully we can get a more complete picture of this guy.

As an aside, I'm very interested to see how this will effect Republicans attempt to repeal healthcare.

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Tragic...I hope she recovers fully.

1 percent of 300 million is 3 million; 1 percent of 3 million is 30 thousand; 1 percent of 30 thousand is 300. Imagine what 300 people wielding frying pans could do if they stormed the Capital Building.

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Looks like Giffords will be released from the hospital on Friday and headed to a rehab in Texas that specializes in treating patients with brain injuries.

This story is starting to have a feel good side to it. God bless her.

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[quote=12thMan;778917]Looks like Giffords will be released from the hospital on Friday and headed to a rehab in Texas that specializes in treating patients with brain injuries.

This story is starting to have a feel good side to it. God bless her.[/quote]

That is outstanding. I had been wondering if there was any way she'd actually be present at the State of the Union on Tuesday (maybe even via satellite). The response would be tremendous

And how about the sacrifice Judge Roll made

[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704590704576091182570569782.html?mod=e2tw]Tucson Video Shows Judge Saving Other Victim - WSJ.com[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;778318]I think you're oversimplifying this tragedy. To say it had nothing to do with politics is comletely absurd. There was just too much thought and past contact with Rep. Giffords by the perpetrator to chalk this up to everyday crazy. I know there is a reluctance to pin it on this or that, but we have to more honest about the discussion as it pertains to people with mental illnesses.

How many mentallly ill people do you suppose are law abiding citizens in Arizona and we never hear a peep from them? Whatever the number, I wonder how many of them brandish weapons and threaten innocent lives in public. Very few. In fact, if you want to make the sanity vs insanity argument, I'm willing to bet more sane assholes murder more innocent bystanders than those that are clinically insane. What we're guilty of doing, in the wake of this horrific event, is drawing a straight line from mental illness to being a mass murder and in the process disparaging those who have a mental condition that warrants treatment. I just think we have to be careful, that's all.

Truth is we still don't know all the facts yet, but hopefully we can get a more complete picture of this guy.

As an aside, I'm very interested to see how this will effect Republicans attempt to repeal healthcare.[/quote]

12th, I don't mean this is an attack in any way but I think you've lost your mind. You're are one of the most even headed people on here when it comes to politics. I am baffled how your perspective on this is so skewed towards politics. The guy was nutso, crazy, bonkers. That's not disparaging it is just the truth told in dumb words. There are degrees of mental illness...he is at the top. It had nothing to do with political rhetoric any more than it had to do with the food he ate or the tv he watched. I mean you seem to be the one drawing a specious line from politics to mass murder. Perhaps I am not comprehending your argument.

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[quote=FRPLG;778949]12th, I don't mean this is an attack in any way [B]but I think you've lost your mind.[/B] You're are one of the most even headed people on here when it comes to politics. I am baffled how your perspective on this is so skewed towards politics. The guy was nutso, crazy, bonkers. That's not disparaging it is just the truth told in dumb words. There are degrees of mental illness...he is at the top. It had nothing to do with political rhetoric any more than it had to do with the food he ate or the tv he watched. I mean you seem to be the one drawing a specious line from politics to mass murder. Perhaps I am not comprehending your argument.[/quote]

You think I've lost my mind in a Jared Loughner sort of way? Couldn't resist the pun. But yeah, I am a little emotionally invested; I guess we all are to some degree.

If you read all of my comments, however, you'll see that I don't place the blame solely on some political motive or any one thing, for that matter. What I said was that we don't know, and may never know, what caused Loughner to actually do this.

That said, I have to wonder why Loughner didn't carry out these heinous acts of violence on the faculty at the community college that gave him the boot for misconduct or the Army recruiter that denied him on the basis of drug use. One would think he had a more personal grievance with both of those institutions. His past contact with Giffords, as well as the letter that was found at his home, seem to indicate some political motive or extreme views. That's all I'm saying.

But to cut to the chase, do I think Sarah Palin's crosshairs made him do this? Naw, but still Sarah Palin is a major part of the backdrop of American politics and conservative culture. She is a universal and recognizable figure by any measure and has a huge and loyal following. So while Loughner may not have taken any direct cues from Palin or her website, her extreme and hateful rhetoric may have turned up the temperature quite a bit.

Now allow me to put on my partisan hat for just a second, Republicans are very adept at giving the masses pitchforks and torches and slowly backing away once the shit hits the fan. I just feel the overheated and toxic political climate may have tipped an already mentally unstable person over the edge.

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Cut the fcking crap people! The fact that he believed in the gold standard is king nonsense, the government wants to control you and shot up a Democratic congresswoman's event aught to be sufficient evidence that there was some political motivation.

There are left wing loons too...if that dumb bitch Palin and the right wing band of talking knuckleheads keep it up deranged mofo might pay them a visit. Karma is a bitch and don't y'all forget it! Keep it cool

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[quote=12thMan;779008]You think I've lost my mind in a Jared Loughner sort of way? Couldn't resist the pun. But yeah, I am a little emotionally invested; I guess we all are to some degree.

If you read all of my comments, however, you'll see that I don't place the blame solely on some political motive or any one thing, for that matter. What I said was that we don't know, and may never know, what caused Loughner to actually do this.

That said, I have to wonder why Loughner didn't carry out these heinous acts of violence on the faculty at the community college that gave him the boot for misconduct or the Army recruiter that denied him on the basis of drug use. One would think he had a more personal grievance with both of those institutions. His past contact with Giffords, as well as the letter that was found at his home, seem to indicate some political motive or extreme views. That's all I'm saying.

But to cut to the chase, do I think Sarah Palin's crosshairs made him do this? Naw, but still Sarah Palin is a major part of the backdrop of American politics and conservative culture. She is a universal and recognizable figure by any measure and has a huge and loyal following. So while Loughner may not have taken any direct cues from Palin or her website, her extreme and hateful rhetoric may have turned up the temperature quite a bit.

[B]Now allow me to put on my partisan hat for just a second, Republicans are very adept at giving the masses pitchforks and torches and slowly backing away once the shit hits the fan. I just feel the overheated and toxic political climate may have tipped an already mentally unstable person over the edge.[/B][/quote]
It was totally tongue and cheek. :)

As for the bolded part I would say the 'pubs are no better at it than the 'crats.

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[quote=saden1;779038]Cut the fcking crap people! The fact that he believed in the gold standard is king nonsense, the government wants to control you and shot up a Democratic congresswoman's event aught to be sufficient evidence that there was some political motivation.

There are left wing loons too...if that dumb bitch Palin and the right wing band of talking knuckleheads keep it up deranged mofo might pay them a visit. Karma is a bitch and don't y'all forget it! Keep it cool[/quote]

Keep what up,

I wonder if that was Obama care that provided her withe the twent car escort and private plane ride to a new rehab place.

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[quote=firstdown;780067]Keep what up,

I wonder if that was Obama care that provided her withe the twent car escort and private plane ride to a new rehab place.[/quote]

I'm sure the same thing would have happened to a republican congressman.

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[quote=12thMan;779008]You think I've lost my mind in a Jared Loughner sort of way? Couldn't resist the pun. But yeah, I am a little emotionally invested; I guess we all are to some degree.

If you read all of my comments, however, you'll see that I don't place the blame solely on some political motive or any one thing, for that matter. What I said was that we don't know, and may never know, what caused Loughner to actually do this.

That said, I have to wonder why Loughner didn't carry out these heinous acts of violence on the faculty at the community college that gave him the boot for misconduct or the Army recruiter that denied him on the basis of drug use. One would think he had a more personal grievance with both of those institutions. His past contact with Giffords, as well as the letter that was found at his home, seem to indicate some political motive or extreme views. That's all I'm saying.

But to cut to the chase, do I think Sarah Palin's crosshairs made him do this? Naw, but still Sarah Palin is a major part of the backdrop of American politics and conservative culture. She is a universal and recognizable figure by any measure and has a huge and loyal following. [B]So while Loughner may not have taken any direct cues from Palin or her website, her extreme and hateful rhetoric may have turned up the temperature quite a bit. [/B]

Now allow me to put on my partisan hat for just a second, Republicans are very adept at giving the masses pitchforks and torches and slowly backing away once the shit hits the fan. I just feel the overheated and toxic political climate may have tipped an already mentally unstable person over the edge.[/quote]

This post hits a 10 on the stupid scale. I guess you just ignore the hate on the left. Thats ok because the left is waisting their time on Palin and now we know Newt is going to run for pres and will kick Obama's little ass out of office, One and done.


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Re: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot in Arizona
 

[quote=Ruhskins;780073]I'm sure the same thing would have happened to a republican congressman.[/quote]
I just don't see why we had to spend all that money and make such a big deal to move her from one place to the other. Police escort, private jet, and then a helicopter.

Re: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot in Arizona
 

[quote=firstdown;780080]I just don't see why we had to spend all that money and make such a big deal to move her from one place to the other. Police escort, private jet, and then a helicopter.[/quote]

True, but like I said, the same thing would have happened to a republican congressman. Each side of the aisle makes its share of things like this, which is why I find it silly when someone from the left or the right "points this out".