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[quote=redsk1;776929]Well theres the problem. Yes, other teams know that we don't want this guy. So, we can't expect a high return for him. Do i know what that's going to be? No. There's got to be some leverage though. That's why I'm not a GM. Maybe we take a 5th and be happy about it. Maybe a 6th or 7th? Maybe no one offers us anything and we just cut him...
I'm just saying AH is a great player (when he wants to be). [B] He might be worth a 4th rounder for the Lions. It's possible.[/B][/quote] Agreed. It's possible and maybe not [I]too[/I] far removed from reality. On the other hand, I think the Titans were offering a third during last year's draft when we turned them down. In light of the events siince then, I am supposing that his value has been significantly downgraded by other teams. |
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Didn't have the heart to give this its own thread so here it is:
[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/bruce-allen-albert-haynesworth.html]Redskins Insider - Bruce Allen: Albert Haynesworth could return to Skins next season[/url] Could be serious or just a last ditch attempt to contain some kind of value and interest in AH. |
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[quote=44ever;777628]Didn't have the heart to give this its own thread so here it is:
[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/bruce-allen-albert-haynesworth.html"]Redskins Insider - Bruce Allen: Albert Haynesworth could return to Skins next season[/URL] Could be serious or just a last ditch attempt to contain some kind of value and interest in AH.[/quote] No Way that happens if Shanny is there |
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[quote=skinsfaninok;777631]No Way that happens if Shanny is there[/quote]
Allen and Snyder's plan: Trade Shanahan to Detroit for Jim Schwartz. Promote Haslett to HC, install Schwartz as DC. |
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LOL Hell why not
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He can handle Haynesworth. Haslett did OK as HC with the Rams. Then, we could scrap Haslett's schemes for Schwartz'.
The only problem left...what to do with Kyle? Will have to be a package deal. Let the offense call their own plays, then McNabb won't have to study. If Rex is the man...chuck it every play. Heck, Haslett took the Florida Tuckers to the 2009 championship game. He's a winner. |
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[quote=Buster;777647]He can handle Haynesworth. Haslett did OK as HC with the Rams. Then, we could scrap Haslett's schemes for Schwartz'.
The only problem left...what to do with Kyle? Will have to be a package deal. Let the offense call their own plays, then McNabb won't have to study. If Rex is the man...chuck it every play. Heck, [B]Haslett took the Florida Tuckers to the 2009 championship game. He's a winner[/B].[/quote] Not as much of a winner as Jim Fassel. Two time UFL Champion! 40 years from Broadway will put on a play about him |
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[quote=Buster;777647]He can handle Haynesworth. Haslett did OK as HC with the Rams. Then, we could scrap Haslett's schemes for Schwartz'.
The only problem left...what to do with Kyle? Will have to be a package deal. Let the offense call their own plays, then McNabb won't have to study. If Rex is the man...chuck it every play. Heck, Haslett took the Florida Tuckers to the 2009 championship game. He's a winner.[/quote] ^^^ This actually could work! |
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[quote=SmootSmack;777649]Not as much of a winner as Jim Fassel. Two time UFL Champion! 40 years from Broadway will put on a play about him[/quote]
WOW. You filled in the blank. Fassel will be the new OC under Haslett. He and Graham Gano = Championship (it has happened before!) 2011 Redskins: HC - Jim Haslett OC - Jim Fassel DC - Jim Schwartz QB - Grossman Stats = 4,715 yds, 37 TDs, 21 INTs, 21 fumbles lost, sacked 43 times, 32 rushing yds NFL Defensive POY - Haynesworth NFL MVP - Graham Gano (A Skins kicker proved it can happen) Super Bowl MVP - Kevin Barnes Don't you love the offseason? |
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Bruce Allen is already casting the bait out into the pond. No outright releases for our two most precious trade chips until the 11th hour.
[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/bruce-allen-albert-haynesworth.html#more]Redskins Insider - Bruce Allen: Albert Haynesworth could return to Skins next season[/url] [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/bruce-allen-speaks-with-donova.html#more]Redskins Insider - Bruce Allen speaks with Donovan McNabb's agent[/url] |
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[quote=Dirtbag359;777678]Bruce Allen is already casting the bait out into the pond. No outright releases for our two most precious trade chips until the 11th hour.
[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/bruce-allen-albert-haynesworth.html#more]Redskins Insider - Bruce Allen: Albert Haynesworth could return to Skins next season[/url] [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/bruce-allen-speaks-with-donova.html#more]Redskins Insider - Bruce Allen speaks with Donovan McNabb's agent[/url][/quote] Bruce Allen is Shanahan's first-class golden retreiver. |
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[quote=SirClintonPortis;777681]Bruce Allen is Shanahan's first-class golden retreiver.[/quote]
What? |
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[quote=SBXVII;776581]Ok, here's my bright idea.... we trade Doug Dutch for whoever we are looking to pick up, then when he gets cut we pick him back up and do it all over again. ;)
I mean it worked once. We got Beck and we picked Dutch back up after the Ravens cut him.[/quote] Maybe we can do something like the [URL="http://oneredpaperclip.blogspot.com/"]red paperclip story[/URL] |
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[quote=Longtimefan;776756]For a team badly in need of players, I really don't see who we could trade that would fetch any value more than what the player would mean to us. Our established players are the teams core, our younger players have not [especially those who started for the first time this year] played enough to be able to submit a trade resume. Moss, McIntosh and Rogers are unrestricted, free to sign with any team, it's not likely the team will trade Cooley, one of it's most productive players. Orakpo, Landry and Hall aren't likely to be traded, after these players you have to search deep to find more players with trade value.[/quote]
Agreed.. the people saying that they'd take a 3rd or 4th for Cooley? I mean I'm not saying he'd fetch a 2nd pick offer but can you guarantee you can replace that production with your pick? Blue collar trades are really all that we might be able to accomplish. |
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[quote=Dirtbag359;777684]What?[/quote]
I like using metaphors. |
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[quote=Buster;777653]WOW. You filled in the blank. Fassel will be the new OC under Haslett.
He and Graham Gano = Championship (it has happened before!) 2011 Redskins: HC - Jim Haslett OC - Jim Fassel DC - Jim Schwartz QB - Grossman Stats = 4,715 yds, 37 TDs, 21 INTs, 21 fumbles lost, sacked 43 times, 32 rushing yds NFL Defensive POY - Haynesworth NFL MVP - Graham Gano (A Skins kicker proved it can happen) Super Bowl MVP - Kevin Barnes Don't you love the offseason?[/quote] Whatever you are smoking as you are typing, it has to be illegal... :nono: Where can I get some? ;) |
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[quote=SirClintonPortis;777691]I like using metaphors.[/quote]
Was the one you just used on Allen flattering or insulting. |
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Man I hope we don't trade AH to the Eagles. Sorry, just thinking out loud.
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[quote=Dirtbag359;777702]Was the one you just used on Allen flattering or insulting.[/quote]
Neither. Just how I think it works up there. Shanahan wants something, Allen will fetch it for him to the best of his ability. Shanahan is however, open to suggestions from him, like Galloway and Bidwell. I think they'll always have a good relationship unless something absolutely crazy happens. |
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Anyone think of this?
The skins essentially "buy" a better draft pick by making McNabb's contract more favorable for the next team...say give him some sort of immediate roster bonus then stretch the contract another year....McNabb would be happy and the new team could afford him per year much better....making him more valuable and increase his trade value from a 5th rounder to potentially ...don't laugh....a 3rd. It will just cost a few million bucks. Keep in mind...we could also somehow find a way to have contracts redone so they become unrestricted free agents (such as Haynesworth)....which could yield us as much as a trade or more as a compensory pick (theoretically). Please someone correct me if I am wrong...just getting creative on how to get better picks....I still wanted Randy Moss midseason....just so releasing him would result in a compensory pick....we need to start thinking like the Pats....10 picks a year, every year...now that is a team building goal. I can't remember how many times I've seen the Pats have multiple picks in the first 2 rounds the last few years....all this while making the playoffs almost every year. |
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I just looked up the pats
2011 9 total picks 4 in top 2 rounds 2010 12 total picks 4 in top 2 rounds 2009 12 total picks 4 in top 2 rounds I definately see a pattern...they average 10 picks a year over the last 7 years or so... But they only had 3 picks in the top 2 rounds total for the 2 years prior to this....I guess paying the price for a couple years can get you into a surplus mode like this. I really like the idea of making trades for future years as you always get a round higher in return... Heck...why not trade our whole damn draft for a round better next year....then next year we'd have something like 3 #1s (2nd from this year traded forward plus our 1st traded forward for 1st and 2nd) 2 #2s 1 #3 3 #4s (2 5ths from this year traded forward) 1 #5s 3 #6s (2 7ths from this year traded forward, whats a 7th worth anyways? why not?) 1 #7 There is something screwy with that valuation thing....its just no one has tried this yet....we may as well do it and go hard after free agents in this great market this year...and we could then trade some of these to forward years too...heck...anything over 10 picks is just waste anyways...they aint all gunna make the squad. We could do this in one year...it would be radical...but it just might work! |
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Skinsnut, I think you are on to something here. we're not going to get the franchise QB we covet in this draft regardless of who we trade. I think you're brilliant.
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[quote=skinsnut;777715]I just looked up the pats
2011 9 total picks 4 in top 2 rounds 2010 12 total picks 4 in top 2 rounds 2009 12 total picks 4 in top 2 rounds I definately see a pattern...they average 10 picks a year over the last 7 years or so... But they only had 3 picks in the top 2 rounds total for the 2 years prior to this....I guess paying the price for a couple years can get you into a surplus mode like this. I really like the idea of making trades for future years as you always get a round higher in return... Heck...why not trade our whole damn draft for a round better next year....then next year we'd have something like 3 #1s (2nd from this year traded forward plus our 1st traded forward for 1st and 2nd) 2 #2s 1 #3 3 #4s (2 5ths from this year traded forward) 1 #5s 3 #6s (2 7ths from this year traded forward, whats a 7th worth anyways? why not?) 1 #7 There is something screwy with that valuation thing....its just no one has tried this yet....we may as well do it and go hard after free agents in this great market this year...and we could then trade some of these to forward years too...heck...anything over 10 picks is just waste anyways...they aint all gunna make the squad. We could do this in one year...it would be radical...but it just might work![/quote] Then trade the number 1s for the number 1 overall and get Luck! CHAMPIONSHIP! |
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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;777698]Whatever you are smoking as you are typing, it has to be illegal... :nono:
Where can I get some? ;)[/quote] No drugs required, just a long-term membership to The Warpath. We've had some downright insane offseason discussions here. It's become a tradition. [U]How the WP works:[/U] Preseason = This is our year! Also, campaign to start as many guys off the street and practice squad as possible! (Colt Brennan, Chase Daniel, Ade Jimoh, Marcus Mason, Marko Mitchell) Gamedays = Sky is falling, act like we're losing by 60 then when the game ends, say "good win". Postseason = Sadness... Offseason = Insane trade scenarios! |
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[quote=Dirtbag359;777678]Bruce Allen is already casting the bait out into the pond. No outright releases for our two most precious trade chips until the 11th hour.
[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/bruce-allen-albert-haynesworth.html#more]Redskins Insider - Bruce Allen: Albert Haynesworth could return to Skins next season[/url] [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/bruce-allen-speaks-with-donova.html#more]Redskins Insider - Bruce Allen speaks with Donovan McNabb's agent[/url][/quote] A good PR tactic by Allen. No need to further diminish the potential trade value of the two players on the team most people feel will eventually be traded. Time for everyone to rethink their positions in search of more favorable options. |
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[quote=Buster;777769]No drugs required, just a long-term membership to The Warpath.
We've had some downright insane offseason discussions here. It's become a tradition. [U]How the WP works:[/U] Preseason = This is our year! Also, campaign to start as many guys off the street and practice squad as possible! (Colt Brennan, Chase Daniel, Ade Jimoh, Marcus Mason, Marko Mitchell) Gamedays = Sky is falling, act like we're losing by 60 then when the game ends, say "good win". Postseason = Sadness... Offseason = Insane trade scenarios![/quote] You forgot to include when the Skins lose, they are the worst team in the world. When they win, they got lucky. Oh and all of our players are horrible and couldn't start on any other team. |
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[quote=Mattyk;777778]Oh and all of our players are horrible and couldn't start on any other team.[/quote]
Yet we could trade them all for high draft picks at will. |
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[quote=Buster;777794]Yet we could trade them all for high draft picks at will.[/quote]
:laughing2 |
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[quote=tryfuhl;777741]Then trade the number 1s for the number 1 overall and get Luck! CHAMPIONSHIP![/quote]
And...since there will likely be a rookie cap...we'd only have to pay him minimum wage! |
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[quote=skinsnut;777715]I just looked up the pats
2011 9 total picks 4 in top 2 rounds 2010 12 total picks 4 in top 2 rounds 2009 12 total picks 4 in top 2 rounds I definately see a pattern...they average 10 picks a year over the last 7 years or so... But they only had 3 picks in the top 2 rounds total for the 2 years prior to this....I guess paying the price for a couple years can get you into a surplus mode like this. I really like the idea of making trades for future years as you always get a round higher in return... Heck...why not trade our whole damn draft for a round better next year....then next year we'd have something like 3 #1s (2nd from this year traded forward plus our 1st traded forward for 1st and 2nd) 2 #2s 1 #3 3 #4s (2 5ths from this year traded forward) 1 #5s 3 #6s (2 7ths from this year traded forward, whats a 7th worth anyways? why not?) 1 #7 There is something screwy with that valuation thing....its just no one has tried this yet....we may as well do it and go hard after free agents in this great market this year...and we could then trade some of these to forward years too...heck...anything over 10 picks is just waste anyways...they aint all gunna make the squad. We could do this in one year...it would be radical...but it just might work![/quote] How dare you try to replicate what the Pats, Eagles, Packers do? Are you insane? That would never work here. The Future Is Now! Yes, our draft philosophy has got to change. Getting extra picks now and in the future is a wise thing. I'm in awe of how many damn picks, the Eagles get each year and the Pats get each year. BTW..check out this EXCELLENT, amazing article on how good the Pats draft. [url=http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/how-belichick-wins-with-spare-parts/]How Belichick Wins With Spare Parts - NYTimes.com[/url] Based on an "average draft position" by team, NE is consistently the lowest draft position in NFL history, several times. One of the other teams...91 Skins w/ Rypien, Sanders, Clark, etc. Check it out, amazing article. |
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Trade Haynesworth, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Shanahan, Jim Haslett, D. Hall, and Casey Rabach. Mike Shanahan isn't a winner unless he has Elway. I would rehire Bobby Mitchell. I'd also rehire Charley Casserly. Stay away from Joe Gibbs, even though I love what he did for the Redskins in the 80's, but this isn't the 80's. Plus he would give away all of the Redskins' draft choices. I'm just feeling like we're back to where we were with Spurrier. We've been starting over for the last ten years.
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[quote=JLee9718;777896]Trade Haynesworth, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Shanahan, Jim Haslett, D. Hall, and Casey Rabach. Mike Shanahan isn't a winner unless he has Elway. I would rehire Bobby Mitchell. I'd also rehire Charley Casserly. Stay away from Joe Gibbs, even though I love what he did for the Redskins in the 80's, but this isn't the 80's. Plus he would give away all of the Redskins' draft choices. I'm just feeling like we're back to where we were with Spurrier. We've been starting over for the last ten years.[/quote]
Dear god no, not Casserly. He can execute the strategy well, but his eye for talent is mediocre at the VERY best. |
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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/35820/skins-cant-be-serious-about-haynesworth]Skins can't be serious about Haynesworth - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/url]
Anyone with common sense, though, recognizes that Allen's simply trying to pretend Haynesworth has some value to the Redskins in case a team wants to trade for him. |
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[quote=44ever;777923][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/35820/skins-cant-be-serious-about-haynesworth]Skins can't be serious about Haynesworth - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/url]
Anyone with common sense, though, recognizes that Allen's simply trying to pretend Haynesworth has some value to the Redskins in case a team wants to trade for him.[/quote] Yeah, there's no way in hell that anyone is believing that. Just trade the guy for a 5th round pick and get it over with. |
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With regards to Haynesworth:
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-credible_threat]Non-credible threat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] Go, go, go!, economics! |
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[quote=44ever;777923][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/35820/skins-cant-be-serious-about-haynesworth]Skins can't be serious about Haynesworth - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/url]
Anyone with common sense, though, recognizes that Allen's simply trying to pretend Haynesworth has some value to the Redskins in case a team wants to trade for him.[/quote] Wow, well now we know that Mosley does indeed have an axe to grind. [quote]When I asked Shanahan last August if the Haynesworth situation had become somewhat of a "circus," I was ushered out of his office about 30 seconds later. He hated the idea that one player could slow down the progress of an entire organization, but that's exactly what happened. [/quote] |
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[url=http://www.freep.com/article/20110116/SPORTS18/101160504/Lions-DT-Ndamukong-Suh-gives-Albert-Haynesworth-a-plug]Lions DT Ndamukong Suh gives Albert Haynesworth a plug | freep.com | Detroit Free Press[/url]
"He's been in this exact scheme, he's been with Coach Schwartz, been with Gunther Cunningham, been with Kyle Vanden Bosch. ... It would be a great addition." Haynesworth was with those three on the Titans. |
Re: Evaluating the Redskins Trade Bait:
[quote=JLee9718;777896]Trade Haynesworth, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Shanahan, Jim Haslett, D. Hall, and Casey Rabach. Mike Shanahan isn't a winner unless he has Elway. I would rehire Bobby Mitchell. I'd also rehire Charley Casserly. Stay away from Joe Gibbs, even though I love what he did for the Redskins in the 80's, but this isn't the 80's. Plus he would give away all of the Redskins' draft choices. I'm just feeling like we're back to where we were with Spurrier. We've been starting over for the last ten years.[/quote]
What the hell, let's just cut everyone and start from scratch. Wonder why no other teams have snapped up Mitchell & Casserly. What f'ing inanity. |
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[quote=JoeRedskin;778185]What the hell, let's just cut everyone and start from scratch.
Wonder why no other teams have snapped up Mitchell & Casserly. What f'ing inanity.[/quote] Inanity?? But yeah that was a stupid idea. |
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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;778199]Inanity?? But yeah that was a stupid idea.[/quote]
It was beyond stupid that's why it was inane. |
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