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Wow. Three pages on an article that, apparently, is backed by nothing but speculation. I wish I hadn't postd it. It's obvious why it was.

By the way, it's listed on SI's NFL home page now in the "Truth & Rumours" section.

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[quote=NC_Skins;776733]If that idiot fires Shanny within the next 3 years, I will stop pulling for this team until he dies or sells the team. I live in NC, and the Panthers have a great organization to say the least so it's hard to watch the crap that dan snyder has done to our beloved team.[/quote]

I agree.... I'm done if Shanny if fired....

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[quote=tryfuhl;776762]Coles, Lavar was all Gregg Williams[/quote]

Right Coles. You can say it was all GW but at the time he was the face of the team so DS let it go on and backed GW.

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[quote=firstdown;776744]Really because if you ask me it seems that Shanahan handled Hansworth about the same way Snyder handled a few players. Think about Lavar and the WR (forgot his name right now) from the Jets.[/quote]

That's true but Lavar and Coles didn't get 40 mil and both of them at least produced for us on the field. What has AH done? Play a handful of games and underachieved in most of them. Ah is more in the wrong for not being a pro but Shanahan also should take blame for changing a defense to the 3-4 and not having the personel to run it....which in turn made fat Albert cry and pout more.

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[quote=Lotus;776734]Other stories to follow this one:

Pete Carroll is an alien from the planet Zircon disguised as a human being.

Rex Ryan lost weight when he was mauled by a lion in a New York subway station, then magically restored to health by Zambian elves.

Jerry Jones was the rumored second gunman in the Kennedy assassination.

Bylines without evidence - what a country![/quote]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Lotus I needed that Laugh Thanks

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I heard a rumor that the Denver owner admitted making a mistake when he fired Shanahan and now wants him back. Then I heard this morning about the rift between Snyder and Shanahan. Could Shanahan be trying to worm his way out of his contract as HC of the Redskins? This could seriously upset Snyder, and I wouldn't blame him for being upset. Everyone jumps and concludes that it's Snyder's fault, when in fact it may be more of a problem with what Shanahan is doing. Personally I would tie a bow around both Shanahans and ship them back to Denver, along with Jim Haslett!

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Until Shannahan shows me something other than another year we're not in the playoffs, I will continue to be dismayed. Although, I will gain a lot of confidence in him if he drafts the right QB. If he screws that, I'm finished with him.

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[quote=JLee9718;776827]I heard a rumor that the Denver owner admitted making a mistake when he fired Shanahan and now wants him back. Then I heard this morning about the rift between Snyder and Shanahan. Could Shanahan be trying to worm his way out of his contract as HC of the Redskins? This could seriously upset Snyder, and I wouldn't blame him for being upset. Everyone jumps and concludes that it's Snyder's fault, when in fact it may be more of a problem with what Shanahan is doing. Personally I would tie a bow around both Shanahans and ship them back to Denver, along with Jim Haslett![/quote]

Mike Shanahan working for John Elway? Not gonna happen.

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[quote=firstdown;776801]Right Coles. You can say it was all GW but at the time he was the face of the team so DS let it go on and backed GW.[/quote]

So Snyder SHOULD HAVE meddled in personnel?!

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What I have heard is that Snyder was "less than happy" with the contract extension given to McNabb in light of the "messy divorce" that went down just a few weeks later.

That does not translate into a rift between Shanahan and Snyder - - but it does mean that the coach and the owner were not on the same page on at least one significant issue in the 2010 season. And that issue cost the owner a couple of million bucks...

Do not discount the sources of Jason LaCanfora or Jason Reid when it comes to getting inside info on the Redskins. They may not always report stories that fans want to hear - - but it does not mean they are wrong or that they are "making stuff up". Both guys are competent reporters/journalists.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;776833]Until Shannahan shows me something other than another year we're not in the playoffs, I will continue to be dismayed. Although, I will gain a lot of confidence in him if he drafts the right QB. [B]If he screws that, I'm finished with him[/B].[/quote]

And I am sure he, his 2 SB rings, his hot wife and his millions of dollars will be [I]deeply[/I] dismayed to learn they have lost your confidence.

lol

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[quote=JoeRedskin;776865]And I am sure he, his 2 SB rings, his hot wife and his millions of dollars will be [I]deeply[/I] dismayed to learn they have lost your confidence.

lol[/quote]

And what did all of that get us? A 6-10 season.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;776875]And what did all of that get us? A 6-10 season.[/quote]

First year, coming off a 4-12 season with what seems to be one of the easiest schedules in all of football (Faced 5 teams that drafted in the top 10 in 2009 as well as the Chargers in week 17), going into a year where they had to go against one of the toughest schedule's they've had in a while.

Not to mention a team that was learning a new offense and new defense.

I mean what did you expect was going to happen?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;776878]I mean what did you expect was going to happen?[/quote]

If Snyder is hell bent on keeping this franchise in perpetual disarray, and Shanahan is fired (to the delight of many, it appears), then it'll be interesting to see if the next coach is held to the same impossible standards.

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[quote=Beemnseven;776913]If Snyder is hell bent on keeping this franchise in perpetual disarray, and Shanahan is fired (to the delight of many, it appears), then it'll be interesting to see if the next coach is held to the same impossible standards.[/quote]

It's going to be extremely difficult for any coach who comes here, having to deal with the unrealistic expectations of both the owner and the fan.

For years now we've heard the complaints about a meddlesome owner who lacked the patience necessary to see anything through. It's gotten to the point now where it's a toss-up between the owner and the fans as to who is lacking in patience.

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The fans are clearly in the lead when it comes to pure lunacy. Just the thought of wanting to get rid of Shanahan right now is laugh out loud hilarious.

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I had better not hear another fan moan and complain about Daniel Snyder and then say in the same breath that they want to see Mike Shanahan out of Washington after one season. You are the ones delusional.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;776875]And what did all of that get us? A 6-10 season.[/quote]

Wow. Just wow. :doh:

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[quote=Mattyk;776920]The fans are clearly in the lead when it comes to pure lunacy. Just the thought of wanting to get rid of Shanahan right now is laugh out loud hilarious.[/quote]

Well when you sweat blood for a team that can put both Albert Haynesworth and Donovan McNabb on the bench in the same season, it's no wonder some of us fans are loony.

That scenario would not happen on any other team in the NFL.

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Other teams don't bench guys eh?

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[quote=Mattyk;776920]The fans are clearly in the lead when it comes to pure lunacy. Just the thought of wanting to get rid of Shanahan right now is laugh out loud hilarious.[/quote]

I think most fans are intelligent enough to realize that Shanahan needs more than one year. But after seeing this guy for a year he just seems like a total dick to work for and has isses with communication.

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TO in doing sit-ups in his yard.

Keyshawn taking a break at Gruden's request.

More recently, Moss traded mid-season after spouting off.

Vince Young told not to attend team meetings.

Yup. The Skins are the [I]only[/I] team on which these things happen.

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[quote=skinsfan69;776951]I think most fans are intelligent enough to realize that Shanahan needs more than one year. [B]But after seeing this guy for a year he just seems like a total dick to work for and has isses with communication[/B].[/quote]

On the outside looking in, Pro Football Talk tabloid type of stuff, sure it could look that way.

But that's not the impression you get from the majority of players, former and current.

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[quote=skinsfan69;776951]I think most fans are intelligent enough to realize that Shanahan needs more than one year. [B]But after seeing this guy for a year he just seems like a total dick to work for and has isses with communication[/B].[/quote]
I don't get that from the players at all. And Mark Schlereth has remarked....many times of the respect and admiration he has for Shanny. How much fun he had playing for him.
I think it must be more of a case of that intuitive....."fan" intelligence channeling evil thoughts in the Shannahan camp?

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[quote=Mattyk;776947]Other teams don't bench guys eh?[/quote]

Thats not what I said or was implying. Benching AH/DM at the same time after just paying and taking up valuable roster/trade value/picks. 2 guys like Haynesworth and McNabb both benched for the same season on the same team is something a little more drastic and just benching a guy for not performing well . This was two of our "Biggest" acquisitions.

Again if these 2 guys where playing together on any other team, they would be on the field. You just don't see that kind of thing from two future HOF's anywhere else. Well I doubt AH makes HOF after wearing the B&G.

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[quote=Hog1;776956]I don't get that from the players at all. And Mark Schlereth has remarked....many times of the respect and admiration he has for Shanny. How much fun he had playing for him.
I think it must be more of a case of that intuitive....."fan" intelligence channeling evil thoughts in the Shannahan camp?[/quote]

Well for every Mark Schlereth there's a Jake Plummer. Year one I'm just not impressed with the guy. From the way he handled McNabb, to how he insisted on running a 3-4, to his letting his son run the offense. Let's see how the off season goes and next year. I'm interested to see which direction they go. Chase a bunch off FA's??? ... which I think is what they're going to do, or try and rebuild, ... which I think they should do.

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Shanahan inherited the AH problem and let's be honest, AH was a problem long before Shanahan showed up. He just got stuck with cleaning up the mess.

McNabb is clearly on Shanahan. But at least he's already acknowledged the mistake and will quickly move on rather than wasting everyone's time. As a personnel guy, there are going to be misses along with the hits. As long as the hits don't outnumber the mistakes, you're doing ok.

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I don't get why some people put any faith in the bums we have on our team who have a problem with Shanny. They are all the ones who got their last coach fired and most of them are the ones we've complained about for so long having too much influence. Seriously, the main problem that has been identified with our organization is that the talent is allowed too much say and control. We've been a team run by the inmates since Norv. THEY"RE THE ONES THAT NEED TO GO!! I couldn't give a flying eff what those idiots have to say. You don't like Shanny's methods player X? F*ck you. How about you player Y? You don't like them either? Oh well then, F*ck you too. Eff 'em all in the ear. They're the biggest problem. The second biggest problem is the media and fans that listen to these piles of crap.

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[quote=skinsfan69;776968][B]Well for every Mark Schlereth there's a Jake Plummer.[/B] Year one I'm just not impressed with the guy. From the way he handled McNabb, to how he insisted on running a 3-4, to his letting his son run the offense. Let's see how the off season goes and next year. I'm interested to see which direction they go. Chase a bunch off FA's??? ... which I think is what they're going to do, or try and rebuild, ... which I think they should do.[/quote]

Probably more like for every 100 Schlereth's, there's a Plummer.

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[quote=skinsfan69;776968]Well for every Mark Schlereth there's a Jake Plummer. Year one I'm just not impressed with the guy. From the way he handled McNabb, to how he insisted on running a 3-4, to his letting his son run the offense. Let's see how the off season goes and next year. I'm interested to see which direction they go. Chase a bunch off FA's??? ... which I think is what they're going to do, or try and rebuild, ... which I think they should do.[/quote]

Letting his son run the offense...as if is his son was a 3rd grade social studies teacher who Mike Shanahan just plucked out of class one day to run the offense

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[quote=Mattyk;776970]Shanahan inherited the AH problem and let's be honest, AH was a problem long before Shanahan showed up. He just got stuck with cleaning up the mess.

McNabb is clearly on Shanahan. But at least he's already acknowledged the mistake and will quickly move on rather than wasting everyone's time. As a personnel guy, there are going to be misses along with the hits. As long as the hits don't outnumber the mistakes, you're doing ok.[/quote]

Matty, I agree with you 100% and was not insulting Shanny's decisions. I was just defending the fans reason for leading the pack in lunacy.

I'm probably the biggest DM fan on here but concede that his best is clearly behind him and we must move on. As far as AH, probably the biggest disapointment this season between a coach and player. HTTR!

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I must accept that we have fans that suck. A lot of them. Some of them here.

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[quote=skinsfan69;776968]Well for every Mark Schlereth there's a Jake Plummer. Year one I'm just not impressed with the guy. From the way he handled McNabb, to how he insisted on running a 3-4, to his letting his son run the offense. Let's see how the off season goes and next year. I'm interested to see which direction they go. Chase a bunch off FA's??? ... which I think is what they're going to do, or try and rebuild, ... which I think they should do.[/quote]
I think one of the challenges for some fans with Shanny is his apparent utter disregard for the media and their biological tendency to...run with every ridiculous nano-story, real or imagined.
He does NOT appear to care what you think. I'm good with that....so be it.
I want a coach with old school discipline and expectiations......
I don't think he feels he owes the media...anything. I don't think he really cares what they print (more or less) Leave me to my coaching thing kind of guy. He did not sign on to be a.....media darling. I'm good with that as well

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[quote=skinsfan69;776968]Well for every Mark Schlereth there's a Jake Plummer. Year one I'm just not impressed with the guy. From the way he handled McNabb, to how he insisted on running a 3-4, to his letting his son run the offense. Let's see how the off season goes and next year. I'm interested to see which direction they go. Chase a bunch off FA's??? ... which I think is what they're going to do, or try and rebuild, ... which I think they should do.[/quote]

There is nothing wrong with chasing a bunch of free agents as long as they are the right ones. We only have like 5 or 6 draft picks...and we have a lot more holes then that. The key is to sign free agents in thier mid 20's that can be built around. In the big picture the Redskins need to put more emphises on the draft but there is nothing wrong with using free agency also to help get the thing off the ground.

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[quote=Mattyk;776970]McNabb is clearly on Shanahan. But at least he's already acknowledged the mistake and will quickly move on rather than wasting everyone's time. As a personnel guy, there are going to be misses along with the hits. As long as the hits don't outnumber the mistakes, you're doing ok.[/quote]Nope, sorry. You have WAYYYYY too much faith in Shanahan to sweep the McNabb thing under the rug as an "aw, shucks" personnel mistake given 11 years of McNabb in Philadelphia. A 2nd and a 4th were given up for the right to make that mistake and then admit that mistake.

And it's also shameless to try the package the Haynesworth situation as "he inherited him" so any horrible management of the situation can be blamed on other parties.

I don't think Mike Shanahan is ever going to mail you a handwritten letter telling you that he's unfit to be coach of the Redskins. Sometimes, you just have to pull yourself out of the moment for a second and read between the lines. When we start rationalizing the obvious mistakes as completely understandable errors, that's what I mean by the "faith in lord Shanahan" crowd.

If you've decided he can do no wrong, then its more clear to me why thinking he should be fired is such a lunatic position for Redskin fans.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;776953]TO in doing sit-ups in his yard.

Keyshawn taking a break at Gruden's request.

More recently, Moss traded mid-season after spouting off.

Vince Young told not to attend team meetings.

Yup. The Skins are the [I]only[/I] team on which these things happen.[/quote]


Thank you for the list here. Amazing how facts can get in the way of fans and their adoration of whomever is in charge of their favorite team at the moment...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;777001]Thank you for the list here. [B][SIZE=4]Amazing[/SIZE] how facts can get in the way of fans[/B] and their adoration of whomever is in charge of their favorite team at the moment...[/quote]
^^^^^^^^^

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[quote=skinsfan69;776968]Well for every Mark Schlereth there's a Jake Plummer. Year one I'm just not impressed with the guy. From the way he handled McNabb, to how he insisted on running a 3-4, to his letting his son run the offense. Let's see how the off season goes and next year. I'm interested to see which direction they go. Chase a bunch off FA's??? ... which I think is what they're going to do, or try and rebuild, ... which I think they should do.[/quote]

Only time will tell, most thought the Redskins were rebuilding once a veteran coach and GM were hired. Unfortunately, it was more of the same. He kept the old players initially, Johnson, Parker, Galloway, and cut the young talent, Torrain, Banks, Austin.

Next year is going to be the same or worst, especially if we remain with the 4-3. I have no faith in Shannahan until he accrues more single season wins with the Redskins than Jim Zorn.

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[quote=SmootSmack;776976]Letting his son run the offense...[B]as if is his son was a 3rd grade social studies teacher[/B] who Mike Shanahan just plucked out of class one day to run the offense[/quote]

Or a bingo caller.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;777057]Or a bingo caller.[/quote]
Well...in the interest of accuracy, I believe our Offense did improve after the Bingo Caller's arrival?
He was a natural at sending in the play!
B-32, A-15......