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[quote=warriorzpath;779793]I think it's time to finally let go of the love affair that redskins and fans have for other teams' players. Let's stop this and concentrate on primarily building through the draft and picking up undervalued and underrated free agents. It's time to start building the team the right way with relying on talent evaluators and the coaches to develop the players' skills once they get on the team.[/quote]

X2...i doubt we'll make a play for palmer.

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Id think CP for DM would be fair- both QB's are ailing to the their coaching. Marvin Lewis hasn't been able to balance his locker room and win so DM would bring new life to theirs just as CP would bring intelligence to ours. Lets sign the trade now.

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[quote=skinsfan69;779818]so what. how dows that translate to the pro game? newton has alex smith and vince young written all over him. can you name one spread QB that has made it in the NFL? i can't.[/quote]Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Kyle Orton all made it; Colt McCoy and Tebow had strong rookie years; a lot of people are high on Bradford.

Spread QBs can make it, Newton's bigger issue is the system he played in wasn't a particularly standard spread system. It was closer to Urban Meyer's system than Bob Stoops' pro spread.

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Apparently Palmer is trying to force a decision on the Bengals' OC. What that decision is, I don't know

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I feel bad for the state of Ohio. It was bad enough that Lebron went through with "The Decision." Now 6 months later Carson Palmer is going through with his own diva act with this trade or retire fiasco.

Still I heard that people are so pissed that they're doing drive by trash dumps on Palmers lawn.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;779827]I feel bad for the state of Ohio. It was bad enough that Lebron went through with "The Decision." Now 6 months later Carson Palmer is going through with his own diva act with this trade or retire fiasco.

Still I heard that people are so pissed that they're doing drive by trash dumps on Palmers lawn.[/quote]

At least they aren't in full on riot mode burning Palmer jerseys in the streets like they did when Bron Bron left.

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[quote=GTripp0012;779821]Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Kyle Orton all made it; Colt McCoy and Tebow had strong rookie years; a lot of people are high on Bradford.

Spread QBs can make it, Newton's bigger issue is the system he played in wasn't a particularly standard spread system. It was closer to Urban Meyer's system than Bob Stoops' pro spread.[/quote]

Bress, Bradford and Ben R. played in 4 and 5 wr sets were the emphasis was throwing the ball downfield, not the type of spread that Florida, Aurburn and Texas run....where the QB is running just as much as he's passing. McCoy didn't play in a true forward pass type of offense. The jury is still out of Tebow and McCoy. Both guys have only played in a handful of games.

I remember watching Heath Shuler in college and he played in the same kind of offense that McCoy did and that's who McCoy reminds me of.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;779827]I feel bad for the state of Ohio. It was bad enough that Lebron went through with "The Decision." Now 6 months later Carson Palmer is going through with his own diva act with this trade or retire fiasco.

Still I heard that people are so pissed that they're doing drive by trash dumps on Palmers lawn.[/quote]

Ohio will be fine without Palmer... Head west young man. The Bengals will just play his kid brother. OSU basketball isn't bad either.

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[quote=BuckSkin;779842]Ohio will be fine without Palmer... Head west young man. The Bengals will just play his kid brother. OSU basketball isn't bad either.[/quote]

Speaking of full riot mode and burning jerseys....

Jay Cutler is already getting lit up. Literally!!

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Is that a pile of crap on Cutler's jersey?

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[quote=BuckSkin;779851]Is that a pile of crap on Cutler's jersey?[/quote]

I don't think so, but look a the magazine page the guy is handing him to use as a fire starter. Definitely something most men take to a football game?!

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[quote=skinsfan69;779841]Bress, Bradford and Ben R. played in 4 and 5 wr sets were the emphasis was throwing the ball downfield, not the type of spread that Florida, Aurburn and Texas run....where the QB is running just as much as he's passing. McCoy didn't play in a true forward pass type of offense. The jury is still out of Tebow and McCoy. Both guys have only played in a handful of games.

I remember watching Heath Shuler in college and he played in the same kind of offense that McCoy did and that's who McCoy reminds me of.[/quote]


Your going to be wrong on Tebow, guy is a STAR in the making..

Cam is raw no doubt but he has all the tools to be like a "BIG BEN" type qb.

And thats a bush league excuse.. Spread is a spread.

Sam Bradford ran a SPREAD, also won a heisman and I think he turned out pretty good right?

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No freaking way!

Carson Palmer?

No more old players.

Young players.

Let me repeat.

YOUNG PLAYERS.

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[quote=GTripp0012;779737]Yeah, I've written this elsewhere, but I would definitely go after Carson Palmer, when Palmer comes available. There's a point at which the price may go too high, but I doubt there will be a better player on the market in the next two years at the QB position. Andrew Luck excluded.[/quote]


Why would you go after Palmer? He has looked like crap the past two seasons. He is an interception machine. I would rather hang on to Donovan than bring Palmer in here. Sure the Bengals are a messed up organization, but so are the Skins, til they really prove that they are turning the ship around. Palmer had a lot of talent to work with and he just sucked this past season. Yeah, both Ocho and TO sucked at the end of the season, but TO put up really good numbers til like week 12. At least Donovan could get to the big dance, Palmer hasn't come close for awhile.

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[quote=wilsowilso;779956]No freaking way!

Carson Palmer?

No more old players.

Young players.

Let me repeat.

YOUNG PLAYERS.[/quote]

Exactly. Besides there might be no football next year so instead of getting a 31 year old Palmer we would really be running the risk of having a 32 year old that will turn 33 late in the season.

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I'll take palmer for haynesworth

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Why, that would be giving up a beast for an overrated QB!! You wouldn't be getting a fair trade on that(AH for Palmer). Guy has been surrounded by talent his entire career and rarely has done anything in term of winning titles, division or otherwise.

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[quote=SkinzWin;779847]Speaking of full riot mode and burning jerseys....

Jay Cutler is already getting lit up. Literally!!

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Guy deserves to get lit up. The 3rd stringer showed more talent and heart than Cutler did on Championship Sunday.

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Just for giggles, here are the QBs who have won the Heisman Trophy in the last 50 years.

Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Troy Smith
Matt Leinart
Jason White
Carson Palmer
Eric Crouch
Chris Weinke
Danny Wuerfel
Charlie Ward
Gino Toretta
Ty Detmer
AndreWare
Vinny Testeverde
Doug Flutie
Pat Sullivan
Jim Plunkett
Gary Beban - - drafted by the Redskins by the way
Steve Spurrier
John Huarte
Roger Staubach
Terry Baker


The jury is still out on Bradford, Tebow, Troy Smith, Leinart and Palmer. Of the retired ones, only Plunkett and Staubach amounted to much in the NFL.


Touting a QB as anything close to a "sure thing" for the pros based on his winning the Heisman Trophy is not supported by data.

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Agreed, no sense in getting Palmer. If we wanted an old washed up QB who was pretty good a couple of years ago -- we could stick with McNabb.

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[quote=GTripp0012;779791]Why would the Patriots have put Brady back in when they just won 11 games with Matt Cassel?[/quote]

Because they won more with Brady.

I'm not trying to trash Palmer but he just hasn't been that good. He'll be a good fit for some team, I just don't think it's us. I'd seriously rather ride it on Grossman or McNabb unless we can get Palmer as a free agent. Palmer is one of my fave QBs from the past decade but I think that the ship has sailed on us going after guys like this.

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[quote=tryfuhl;780000]Because they won more with Brady.

I'm not trying to trash Palmer but he just hasn't been that good. He'll be a good fit for some team, I just don't think it's us. I'd seriously rather ride it on Grossman or McNabb unless we can get Palmer as a free agent. Palmer is one of my fave QBs from the past decade but [B]I think that the ship has sailed on us going after guys like this.[/B][/quote]

Too bad our illustrious coach didn't realize this last offseason.

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[quote=ethat001;779999]Agreed, no sense in getting Palmer. If we wanted an old washed up QB who was pretty good a couple of years ago -- [B]we could stick with McNabb.[/B][/quote]

FOR FREE!!!!
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Well maybe it'll cost a lot of capital but in terms of spending current draft picks keeping McNabb would be FREE!

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[quote=GTripp0012;779791]Why would the Patriots have put Brady back in when they just won 11 games with Matt Cassel?[/quote]

Why would the Colts trade Peyton Manning and a first round pick to the Pats for Tom Brady and a fourth rounder?

Because it would be the right thing to do.

What's the question again?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;779986]Why, that would be giving up a beast for an overrated QB!! You wouldn't be getting a fair trade on that(AH for Palmer). Guy has been surrounded by talent his entire career and rarely has done anything in term of winning titles, division or otherwise.[/quote]

Haynesworth is being traded one way or another, we'll be lucky to get a thirs round pick for him. We aren't keeping McNabb, and there is a good chance we draft a qb in the first round. I'll take palmer over grossman, and gives us a decent option for at least one season. Plus he is respectable and can teach a rookie qb how to act in the nfl, i.e. not become the next VY.

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[quote=wilsowilso;780008]Why would the Colts trade Peyton Manning and a first round pick to the Pats for Tom Brady and a fourth rounder?

Because it would be the right thing to do.

What's the question again?[/quote]

What a horrible analogy.

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There's no way I'd give a pick for this guy.
If he got let go I'd bring him in to challenge Grossman while we groom our new QB.

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Palmer is washed up. He will not resurrect his career here. We need to ride on with Grossman while the QB of the future is developed. We cant keep going after all these washed up QBs and hope to get 1 good year out of them....

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;779998]Just for giggles, here are the QBs who have won the Heisman Trophy in the last 50 years.

Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Troy Smith
Matt Leinart
Jason White
Carson Palmer
Eric Crouch
Chris Weinke
Danny Wuerfel
Charlie Ward
Gino Toretta
Ty Detmer
AndreWare
Vinny Testeverde
Doug Flutie
Pat Sullivan
Jim Plunkett
Gary Beban - - drafted by the Redskins by the way
Steve Spurrier
John Huarte
Roger Staubach
Terry Baker


The jury is still out on Bradford, Tebow, Troy Smith, Leinart and Palmer. Of the retired ones, only Plunkett and Staubach amounted to much in the NFL.


Touting a QB as anything close to a "sure thing" for the pros based on his winning the Heisman Trophy is not supported by data.[/quote]

Flutie was a winner when he started in Buffalo. Also, Charlie Ward started for years on pretty good Knicks teams! :)

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Lol I hope nobody thinks he'll come to the Redskins. You don't trade for McNabb and Palmer in two consecutive years... It's just not how you run a franchise.

Blaine Gabbert>>>Carson Palmer
Donovan McNabb>>Carson Palmer
Rex Grossman=Carson Palmer

Yes I just said that.

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I've been a Palmer fan for a while, even though post injury he's been pretty inconsistent I think he's still got the chance to be decent for a couple of years. That being said, I don't see a good scenario to bring him in. He's not mobile enough for our system and there's no picks I would be willing to part with to bring him in.

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With Palmer I think the loss of throwing power was his elbow. He considered having Tommy John surgery (of MLB pitching fame) but then decided to just rehab it. Not sure where he is in that process but with a gimpy elbow and a reconstructed knee I don't think he is worth bringing in. As has been stated millions of times this team needs to get younger. So unless the Bengals are willing to do a McNabb for Palmer swap I rather we not bring him in. Even then it would be a debatable move.

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If this were the NBA-we could send Donovan to Cincy (once/if they hire Brad Childress as their OC), Bengals send Palmer to Arizona. We get Fitzgerald from Arizona

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If he gets that elbow right he could still have plenty of good years ahead. I think he's far from washed up at 31. That said I definitely don't want him here. We already tried the vet route, time to get a young QB in here that Shanahan can shape and develop to his liking.

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[quote=SmootSmack;780053]If this were the NBA-we could send Donovan to Cincy (once/if they hire Brad Childress as their OC), Bengals send Palmer to Arizona. We get Fitzgerald from Arizona[/quote]

I think we would take that trade in less than a second if it was somehow possible.

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McNabb and Palmer are on the same boat I think. Both QBs are in situations where they can help a team that has everything in place (a la Vikings when Favre got there), but are not the answer to a team like ours. I wonder if Palmer's availability will affect us trading McNabb.

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[quote=Ruhskins;780066]McNabb and Palmer are on the same boat I think. [B]Both QBs are in situations where they can help a team that has everything in place [/B](a la Vikings when Favre got there), but are not the answer to a team like ours. I wonder if Palmer's availability will affect us trading McNabb.[/quote]

Right on!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;779859]Your going to be wrong on Tebow, guy is a STAR in the making..

Cam is raw no doubt but he has all the tools to be like a "BIG BEN" type qb.

And thats a bush league excuse.. Spread is a spread.

Sam Bradford ran a SPREAD, also won a heisman and I think he turned out pretty good right?[/quote]

So you think Bradford and Tebow ran similar offenses?

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[quote=tryfuhl;780015]What a horrible analogy.[/quote]

Well maybe I wasn't trying to make a good analogy.

Maybe there was a hidden reference.

Maybe my post doesn't make any sense. For a reason.

Or maybe I had one too many beers yesterday.

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Give up that kind of dough yea right.

Money talks and BS walks! Make your next move son!