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[url=http://www.google.com/m/url?client=safari&ei=UKdqTbDRM-KptgeDr7u5Ag&hl=en&oe=UTF-8&q=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/27/veteran-scout-cam-newton-looks-terrible-during-combine-workout/&ved=0CBgQqQIwAA&usg=AFQjCNE_aoppXYy07yMVfN7YqBD28RynwA]Veteran scout: Cam Newton “looks terrible” during Combine workout | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Looks like Newton may have just stayed with a choreographed Pro Day

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Mark Ingram = explosive (10-yard shuttle). If someway he's available at 10, take him.

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[quote=BuckSkin;786442][url=http://www.google.com/m/url?client=safari&ei=UKdqTbDRM-KptgeDr7u5Ag&hl=en&oe=UTF-8&q=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/27/veteran-scout-cam-newton-looks-terrible-during-combine-workout/&ved=0CBgQqQIwAA&usg=AFQjCNE_aoppXYy07yMVfN7YqBD28RynwA]Veteran scout: Cam Newton “looks terrible” during Combine workout | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Looks like Newton may have just stayed with a choreographed Pro Day[/quote]

How come it seems like the dissenting or minority opinion that doesn't put their name to their statements gets the most pub?

[quote]At least one veteran scout was far less impressed by his workout.

The scout, who works for a team that has no short-term or long-term need at the quarterback position, said that Newton “looks terrible.”

Opinions may very well vary. The reality, however, is that teams that love a player will be inclined to say bad things about him, both to throw other teams off the scent and in the hopes that the player will be available when the team uses its first draft pick. Teams that hate a player will be inclined to say they love a player, in the hopes that someone else will burn a pick on the guy, pushing truly coveted players farther done the board.

In this case, our source would be far more inclined to rave about Newton, ensuring that he’ll be taken with an early pick.[/quote]

I have a hard team beleiving a veteran scout is going be forthright w/ a member of the media like Florio.

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Stephen Paea 49 reps? NT anyone?

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[quote=30gut;786445]How come it seems like the dissenting or minority opinion that doesn't put their name to their statements gets the most pub?



I have a hard team beleiving a veteran scout is going be forthright w/ a member of the media like Florio.[/quote]

Yeah it does ring of "a friend of a friend" line, doesn't it? Mike Mayock, for what it's worth, was not concerned with Newton's issues today. He simpy brushed it off as him throwing to the receivers and not to a spot. Measurables are all top tier, looks fluid and comfortable. Mayock did however left with the caveat that there is two months remaining to discover his other issues.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;786432]I want nothing to do with Mallett dude is a problem waiting to happen[/quote]

I was shocked how absolutely terrible his press question and answer period was yesterday. That was the first time I heard him speak and my immediate thought was no way I want this guy as my QB.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/27/jake-locker-also-impresses-in-sundays-first-quarterback-group/]Jake Locker also impresses in Sunday’s first quarterback group | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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Rumor is Seattle would be willing enough to trade up in the top 10, wonder who they want? Obviously a QB

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[quote=30gut;786445]How come it seems like the dissenting or minority opinion that doesn't put their name to their statements gets the most pub?

I have a hard team beleiving a veteran scout is going be forthright w/ a member of the media like Florio.[/quote]

I saw Cam throw deep sideline patterns today and it didn't take an expert to see that his throws were way off. He threw the ball 5 or more yards out of bounds several times in a row. He was nowhere near the spot that was marked with an orange cone or a receiver, for that matter. He basically sucked in that drill.

But, hey, he passes the looks test, he's a great physical specimen, and he's charming to the media. Perhaps those things are masking the smell of bust on him.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;786459]I saw Cam throw deep sideline patterns today and it didn't take an expert to see that his throws were way off. He threw the ball 5 or more yards out of bounds several times in a row. He was nowhere near the spot that was marked with an orange cone or a receiver, for that matter. He basically sucked in that drill.

But, hey, he passes the looks test, he's a great physical specimen, and he's charming to the media. Perhaps those things are masking the smell of bust on him.[/quote]

I saw the same thing. He's too much of a smooth-talker. I see a lot of fans here aren't fans of Mallet but, let's say if his alleged drug use causes him to fall into a later round. Does he become more attractive then when other needs have already been addressed (drafted)?

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[quote=diehard;786446]Stephen Paea 49 reps? NT anyone?[/quote]

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Paea-breaks-combine-bench-press-record-with-49-r?urn=nfl-327050]Video: Paea breaks combine bench-press record with 49 reps - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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Holy crap!

49 reps is beyond ridiculous!!!!!!!

Draft that guy.

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Just as a comparison, Rabach did the bench press in his basement to see how he stacked up to these kids. He did 6 and a half.

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Paea is a can't miss, day one starter. Let's forget all about the free agent NT's this guy just jumped to the top of my wish list.

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[quote=BuckSkin;786480]Paea is a can't miss, day one starter. Let's forget all about the free agent NT's this guy just jumped to the top of my wish list.[/quote]

I get him before I get Farley or whatever his name is.

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A taste of Mallett:
[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d81e83649/Mallett-interview]NFL Videos: Mallett interview[/url]

He just seems not very charming or a great orator or anything, but he threw the ball around really well today.

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[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/27/mallett-locker-receives-high-marks-from-analysts/?module=HP_spotlight]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Mallett, Locker receive high marks from analysts «[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;786479]Just as a comparison, Rabach did the bench press in his basement to see how he stacked up to these kids. He did 6 and a half.[/quote]

I heard it was 6 halves. Which I guess would equal 3 reps if we are being kind.

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[quote=BuckSkin;786480][B]Paea is a can't miss, day one starter.[/B] Let's forget all about the free agent NT's this guy just jumped to the top of my wish list.[/quote]

Why? Because he can bench press a lot? 49 reps @ 225 is silly strong to be sure, but that doesn't make him a can't miss, day one starter.

You say he just jumped to the top of your wish list. Be honest- was he even anywhere near your list before today? He's not even 300 lbs and probably the 4th or 5th DT out available.

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The no one asked me combine QB notes:

[B][U][COLOR=olive]1st group:[/COLOR][/U][/B]

[U][COLOR="magenta"]Speed Out x3 (Left/Right) -5 step no hitch and throw: 3 big-2 quick open hips/rocker step throw:[/COLOR][/U]Locker (L) 3 good ones (R) 3 good ones
Mallett (L) 3 good ones (R) 2 good ones
Dalton (R) 3 good ones
Kaep (R) 2 good ones
Jerrod Johnson (R) 2 good ones

[U][COLOR="magenta"]Slants x3 (Left) 3 quick and throw[/COLOR][/U]Mallett 3 very good ones
Locker 2 good ones
Dalton 3 good ones

[U][COLOR="magenta"]Go Route 7 step w/ hitch 3 big 4 quick-small 1 hitch[/COLOR][/U]
Kaep +2 launched 1 on a line
Locker +3 (completed all the 3) but didn't uncork any underthrew one and threw a perfect one
Mallett +3 didn't complete any IIRC but freakin launched all 3 of his
Dalton +3 completed all 3
QB #4 (Enderle?)= 2 good ones

[B][U][COLOR=olive]Group 2:[/COLOR][/U][/B]

[COLOR="magenta"][U]Speed Out x3 (Left/Right) -5 step no hitch and throw: 3 big-2 quick open hips/rocker step throw:[/U][/COLOR]
Stanzi (R) 3 good ones (L) 3 good ones -throwing to a spot not worried about the completions
Ponder (R) 1good one (L) 2 good ones*
Newton (R) 1 good one*
Portis (R) 3 good ones (L) 3 completions**
Tyrod (R) 3 good ones but was throwing very under control

*Ponder and Newton were hitching (taking an extra step or waiting) at the top of their drops and it threw off their rhythm.
I think the wanted to complete the pass rather then just throw it to the spot and were waiting on there WRs where as Stanzi just ripped it on time on target if the WR was there or not.
Newton seemed very deliberate in his drop like he was thinking about it, which is probably b/c he is thinking about it: executing a 5 step drop rhythm throw is new to him.

**Portis drop back was off rhythm but his throws were on time his footwork reminded me of Cutler bad footwork good throw.

[U][COLOR="magenta"]Poster Corner (Right side) 3 big 4 quick-small hitch and throw[/COLOR][/U]
Stanzi 3 good ones
Newton 2 good ones
Portis 3 good ones
Tyrod 2 good ones
Tolzien(sp?) 3 good ones

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[quote=30gut;786494]The no one asked me combine QB notes:

[B][U][COLOR=olive]1st group:[/COLOR][/U][/B]

[U][COLOR="magenta"]Speed Out x3 (Left/Right) -5 step no hitch and throw: 3 big-2 quick open hips/rocker step throw:[/COLOR][/U]Locker (L) 3 good ones (R) 3 good ones
Mallett (L) 3 good ones (R) 2 good ones
Dalton (R) 3 good ones
Kaep (R) 2 good ones
Jerrod Johnson (R) 2 good ones

[U][COLOR="magenta"]Slants x3 (Left) 3 quick and throw[/COLOR][/U]Mallett 3 very good ones
Locker 2 good ones
Dalton 3 good ones

[U][COLOR="magenta"]Go Route 7 step w/ hitch 3 big 4 quick-small 1 hitch[/COLOR][/U]
Kaep +2 launched 1 on a line
Locker +3 (completed all the 3) but didn't uncork any underthrew one and threw a perfect one
Mallett +3 didn't complete any IIRC but freakin launched all 3 of his
Dalton +3 completed all 3
QB #4 (Enderle?)= 2 good ones

[B][U][COLOR=olive]Group 2:[/COLOR][/U][/B]

[COLOR="magenta"][U]Speed Out x3 (Left/Right) -5 step no hitch and throw: 3 big-2 quick open hips/rocker step throw:[/U][/COLOR]
Stanzi (R) 3 good ones (L) 3 good ones -throwing to a spot not worried about the completions
Ponder (R) 1good one (L) 2 good ones*
Newton (R) 1 good one*
Portis (R) 3 good ones (L) 3 completions**
Tyrod (R) 3 good ones but was throwing very under control

*Ponder and Newton were hitching (taking an extra step or waiting) at the top of their drops and it threw off their rhythm.
I think the wanted to complete the pass rather then just throw it to the spot and were waiting on there WRs where as Stanzi just ripped it on time on target if the WR was there or not.
Newton seemed very deliberate in his drop like he was thinking about it, which is probably b/c he is thinking about it: executing a 5 step drop rhythm throw is new to him.

**Portis drop back was off rhythm but his throws were on time his footwork reminded me of Cutler bad footwork good throw.

[U][COLOR="magenta"]Poster Corner (Right side) 3 big 4 quick-small hitch and throw[/COLOR][/U]
Stanzi 3 good ones
Newton 2 good ones
Portis 3 good ones
Tyrod 2 good ones
Tolzien(sp?) 3 good ones[/quote]

Sounds to me like Dalton is sneaking up, he would be my pick.

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[quote=GMScud;786493]Why? Because he can bench press a lot? 49 reps @ 225 is silly strong to be sure, but that doesn't make him a can't miss, day one starter.

You say he just jumped to the top of your wish list. Be honest- was he even anywhere near your list before today? He's not even 300 lbs and probably the 4th or 5th DT out available.[/quote]

I agree that it's quite premature to consider him some kind of can't miss prospect just because he was able to throw 225lbs up 49 times. Hell yeah it's impressive, but that doesn't make him the top dog.

Now he may not be the #1 DT in the draft, but I think he may now be the best NT in the draft if he gains more weight or 3-4 DE. He happens to be 6'1" 303lbs.

edit:
Just checked out the scouting reports on him at Sporting News and NFL.com and he's getting rave reviews so maybe there is something to him being a beast. Let's just not get Mamula'ed

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;786496]Sounds to me like Dalton is sneaking up, he would be my pick.[/quote]

Where? In the first round? Second? No way in the first and at this point it would be a reach in the second. We have too many other needs to reach on a kid like Dalton even as talented as some think he is.

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[quote=Terpfan76;786499]I agree that it's quite premature to consider him some kind of can't miss prospect just because he was able to throw 225lbs up 49 times. Hell yeah it's impressive, but that doesn't make him the top dog.

Now he may not be the #1 DT in the draft, but I think he may now be the best NT in the draft if he gains more weight or 3-4 DE. He happens to be 6'1" 303lbs.

edit:
Just checked out the scouting reports on him at Sporting News and NFL.com and he's getting rave reviews so maybe there is something to him being a beast. Let's just not get Mamula'ed[/quote]

Most of the stuff I've seen has him at around 295lbs. Not that that's small, but it's way short of the dominant NT/DTs in the league.

[url=http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-02-27/oregon-states-paea-sets-combine-bench-press-record]Oregon State's Paea sets Combine bench-press record - NFL - Sporting News[/url]

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=83921&draftyear=2011&genpos=DT]Stephen Paea | Oregon State, DT : 2011 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url]

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I'll go with this assessment of his height/weight:
[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Stephen-Paea?id=2495210]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Stephen Paea[/url]

Was kinda surprised to see DaRel Scott ran a 4.34. Pretty impressive.

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[quote=Terpfan76;786504]I'll go with this assessment of his height/weight:
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Stephen-Paea?id=2495210"]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Stephen Paea[/URL]

Was kinda surprised to see DaRel Scott ran a 4.34. Pretty impressive.[/quote]

Yeah Scott's 40 was impressive.

As for Paea, 303, 295, whatever. How much does Raji weigh? Haloti Ngata? Just saying.

I think Paea could be a solid player, but I just don't see him as a "can't miss, day 1 starter."

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;786481]I get him before I get Farley or whatever his name is.[/quote]

You don't like Nick Fairley? You should look at more film of him, then. I think you might change your mind about him. I think he'll be an outstanding NFL player.

I think that a NT needs more bulk than Paea can carry. We'd be more likely to draft Phil Taylor at that position. The 40-45 lb. difference between the two of them is significant for a NT.

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[quote=GMScud;786505]Yeah Scott's 40 was impressive.

As for Paea, 303, 295, whatever. How much does Raji weigh? Haloti Ngata? Just saying.

I think Paea could be a solid player, but I just don't see him as a "can't miss, day 1 starter."[/quote]

I think that Scott is underrated. I suppose that is due to the perception that he has a fumbling problem. Tiki Barber fumbled alot, too, but Tom Coughlin helped him to fix the problem. I think Scott could be cured also.

If he wasn't seen as a fumbler, then what would his image be? I think it would be as a "home run hitter". If this guy gets through a hole cleanly, he's gone. He proved that in college. Also, he catches the ball well and he usually does something good with it after the catch. He has good size, as well, to go with his blazing speed. I think he could be a very good 3rd Down Back in the NFL.

By the way, it would be a shame if we don't get a 3rd Down Back in the 2011 Draft. Kendall Hunter, Demarco Murray, Shane Vereen, and Scott are all good prospects for that role, IMO. We need more draft picks!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;786516]I think that Scott is underrated. I suppose that is due to the perception that he has a fumbling problem. Tiki Barber fumbled alot, too, but Tom Coughlin helped him to fix the problem. I think Scott could be cured also.

If he wasn't seen as a fumbler, then what would his image be? I think it would be as a "home run hitter". If this guy gets through a hole cleanly, he's gone. He proved that in college. Also, he catches the ball well and he usually does something good with it after the catch. He has good size, as well, to go with his blazing speed. I think he could be a very good 3rd Down Back in the NFL.

By the way, it would be a shame if we don't get a 3rd Down Back in the 2011 Draft. Kendall Hunter, Demarco Murray, Shane Vereen, and Scott are all good prospects for that role, IMO. We need more draft picks![/quote]

I've said before that I thought DaRel Scott would be a good fit in our "one cut" scheme. He doesn't have great shiftiness or anything like that, but he has good acceleration and and great speed. Seems as though he'd be a dang near perfect fit. Maybe a late round pick or UDFA?

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[QUOTE=Terpfan76;786518]I've said before that I thought DaRel Scott would be a good fit in our "one cut" scheme. He doesn't have great shiftiness or anything like that, but he has good acceleration and and great speed. Seems as though he'd be a dang near perfect fit. [B]Maybe a late round pick or UDFA[/B][B]?[[/B]/QUOTE]

His NFL Combine performance should ensure that he is drafted. I think that it might even move him up as high as the 6th or even the 5th Round, in my humble, ignorant opinion.

Come to think of it, he's a very fast guy from Maryland so Al Davis might draft him in the 1st Round. :laughing-

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;786520][QUOTE=Terpfan76;786518]I've said before that I thought DaRel Scott would be a good fit in our "one cut" scheme. He doesn't have great shiftiness or anything like that, but he has good acceleration and and great speed. Seems as though he'd be a dang near perfect fit. [B]Maybe a late round pick or UDFA[/B][B]?[[/B]/QUOTE]

His NFL Combine performance should ensure that he is drafted. I think that it might even move him up as high as the 6th or even the 5th Round, in my humble, ignorant opinion.

Come to think of it, he's a very fast guy from Maryland so Al Davis might draft him in the 1st Round. :laughing-[/quote]

I don't know, he didn't win the Heisman... But who knows. Al knows talent... lol

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;786516]I think that Scott is underrated. I suppose that is due to the perception that he has a fumbling problem. Tiki Barber fumbled alot, too, but Tom Coughlin helped him to fix the problem. I think Scott could be cured also.

If he wasn't seen as a fumbler, then what would his image be? I think it would be as a "home run hitter". If this guy gets through a hole cleanly, he's gone. He proved that in college. Also, he catches the ball well and he usually does something good with it after the catch. He has good size, as well, to go with his blazing speed. I think he could be a very good 3rd Down Back in the NFL.

By the way, it would be a shame if we don't get a 3rd Down Back in the 2011 Draft. Kendall Hunter, Demarco Murray, Shane Vereen, and Scott are all good prospects for that role, IMO. We need more draft picks![/quote]

The thing that I don't I like about Fairley is his attitude, he's a punk. Paea on the other hand can be like Warren Sapp.

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[quote=Mattyk;786429]He's not a Shanahan type of QB that's for sure. He's going to be a statue in the pocket. But at least he's big enough to take the punishment, and he should be able to muscle his way out of some sacks.[/quote]Is a mobile QB needed in this offense? With last year's OL, yes.

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[quote=diehard;786555][B]Is a mobile QB needed in this offense?[/B] With last year's OL, yes.[/quote]

Even with a good OL, the Shanny offense features many bootlegs and rollouts where QB mobility is at a premium.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;786540]The thing that I don't I like about Fairley is his attitude, he's a punk. Paea on the other hand can be like Warren Sapp.[/quote]

Fairley and Dareus should be off the board before the Skins select at #10. Paea just isn't rated that high considering other prospects who play different positions to be drafted at that point. The team would be lucky to find a trade partner to perhaps have a shot at a nabbing two players in the later first and/or early second round.

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[quote=diehard;786561]Fairley and Dareus should be off the board before the Skins select at #10. Paea just isn't rated that high considering other prospects who play different positions to be drafted at that point. The team would be lucky to find a trade partner to perhaps have a shot at a nabbing two players in the later first and/or early second round.[/quote]

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/540985-2011-nfl-draft-breaking-down-stephen-paea-hercules-reborn]2011 NFL Draft: Could Stephen Paea Be a Top 10 Pick? | Bleacher Report[/url]

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Off topic but..., what's the word on the kid Rob Henson. He was a beast in pre-season for us then got hurt. Is he still with the Skins?? I remember him tearing it up at the linebacker position.

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It looks like Marcel Dareus will be the #1 pick. He's big and fast! Wow.

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Von Miller's first run is 4.46.

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[quote=diehard;786586]Von Miller's first run is 4.46.[/quote]

I'd love it if he lasted until #10. Not gonna happen though.

For all the talk about what an athlete Cam Newton is, did anyone else see Gabbert's measurables? His 40, vertical leap, broad jump, and three cone drill were all nearly identical to Newton.