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[quote=SmootSmack;791239][B]Tyron Smith[/B]

and supposedly Sione Fua (though I'm not sure about that one)[/quote]


Thats one pick that would not make me upset at all. Sure maybe 10 is a little high for a RT, but we wouldnt have to worry about the tackle positions for the next 10 years. And what QB wouldnt have greater secuss with steller outside protection for years to come. Sometimes peace of mind is worth a slight reach.

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[quote=IrMitchell;791027]I can partially agree with this.

The point I was trying to make is that Russell Okung was the better collegiate football player, the fact that Trent climbed the draft rankings towards the end of the draft season is more because people started to realize this whole "Mike Shanahan wants speed and will take Trent Williams". Not because people thought he would be the better left tackle.. Also worth noting, Trent played right tackle until he became a senior. So again, a lot of question marks about this player.

Clearly it's the wrong place to be discussing this argument and rightfully so.. I'll leave it at that.[/quote]

Okung definitely had the more polished college career. But Shanahan wasn't alone in his assessment that TW [I]may[/I] in the long run have more upside. But in the end I think we're splitting hairs, I think both players have the potential to have long successful careers.

TW definitely had some question marks coming in, but he answered a lot them last year.

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[quote=mlmpetert;791250]Thats one pick that would not make me upset at all. Sure maybe 10 is a little high for a RT, but we wouldnt have to worry about the tackle positions for the next 10 years. And what QB wouldnt have greater secuss with steller outside protection for years to come. Sometimes peace of mind is worth a slight reach.[/quote]

Most people seem to think the Cowboys will take Smith at 9 (or Prince, though a lot of people think he'll gone by the time the Niners pick)

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[quote=SmootSmack;791257]Most people seem to think the Cowboys will take Smith at 9 (or Prince, though a lot of people think he'll gone by the time the Niners pick)[/quote]

I would love to have to choose between Prince, Quinn and JJ

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Kind of surprised, AJ Green and Julio Jones haven't been on our radar yet. In my opinion, they could be the best available at 10. We definitely need an upgrade at WR, and I don't think we have a true #1 WR right now.

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[quote=theJBexperience;791260]Kind of surprised, AJ Green and Julio Jones haven't been on our radar yet. In my opinion, they could be the best available at 10. We definitely need an upgrade at WR, and I don't think we have a true #1 WR right now.[/quote]


I think we will sign a FA WR or 2, bring back Moss also.. Team needs more right now especially on the DL/OLB/QB/CB/OL lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;791262]I think we will sign a FA WR or 2, bring back Moss also.. Team needs more right now especially on the DL/OLB/QB/CB/OL lol[/quote]

You're definitely right about needs. I think we definitely try to bring back Moss. I think we need another WR that could be a #1/#2. In free agency, thinking we go after Sidney Rice, James Jones, Mike Sims-Walker at WR?

If we go with the draft the best player available approach, AJ & JJ might be it at 10. Seems like the FO goes by the best player available for our scheme approach. So, it will be interesting draft to say the least. Hopefully, we can trade down with someone who may trade up for an AJ or JJ if they're still available then.

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[quote=theJBexperience;791260]Kind of surprised, AJ Green and Julio Jones haven't been on our radar yet. In my opinion, they could be the best available at 10. We definitely need an upgrade at WR, and I don't think we have a true #1 WR right now.[/quote]

Yeah but I, nor anyone else I would hope, would want us to turn into the Matt Millen Lions drafting top WR busts multiple years in a row. Do it the right way. Get the foundation in place first. OLine, DLine. Then get your skill positions. It's like trying to build a house right on the ground without the cinderblock foundation.

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[quote=theJBexperience;791272]You're definitely right about needs. I think we definitely try to bring back Moss. I think we need another WR that could be a #1/#2. In free agency, thinking we go after Sidney Rice, James Jones, [B]Mike Sims-Walker[/B] at WR?

If we go with the draft the best player available approach, AJ & JJ might be it at 10. Seems like the FO goes by the best player available for our scheme approach. So, it will be interesting draft to say the least. Hopefully, we can trade down with someone who may trade up for an AJ or JJ if they're still available then.[/quote]


He would be a huge upgrade imo, I can't believe JAX let him go

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[quote=skinsfaninok;791282]He would be a huge upgrade imo, I can't believe JAX let him go[/quote]

I think there is an NFL rule limiting the number of players with hyphenated last names, and you know they aren't about to let Maurice Jones-Drew go...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;791282]He would be a huge upgrade imo, I can't believe JAX let him go[/quote]

I think if we can resign Santana, he would be a nice compliment to catch all the underneath and red zone balls, while Moss & Armstrong stretch the field.

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[quote=theJBexperience;791286]I think if we can resign Santana, he would be a nice compliment to catch all the underneath and red zone balls, while Moss & Armstrong stretch the field.[/quote]

I agree with that. I think it would also be nice to get that position filled in FA by a guy that is already successful and not hope that the pick we put into a draftee will pan out. Use those draft picks on things we can't afford to miss on, like linemen.

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[quote=Mattyk;791253]Okung definitely had the more polished college career. But Shanahan wasn't alone in his assessment that TW [I]may[/I] in the long run have more upside. But in the end I think we're splitting hairs, I think both players have the potential to have long successful careers.

TW definitely had some question marks coming in, but he answered a lot them last year.[/quote]

[quote] "People are going to say what they want to say, so I'm really not out here trying to prove anybody wrong," [Trent] said. "I'm just trying to better myself for the Redskins so I can be a vital piece of a championship team."

Williams made Houston his offseason destination after [Adrian] Peterson found a personal trainer and reached out to some of his former Oklahoma teammates.

"I came down and checked it out and I liked it," he said.

Among the former Sooners training with them are Philadelphia Eagles linebacker Keenan Clayton, former Carolina Panthers cornerback Marcus Walker and former Jacksonville and New Orleans linebacker Clint Ingram. [unquote]

The fruits from the upcoming draft will shed light on just how effective our scouting department has been in the evaluation process. With only two picks in the substance rounds, a gem must be found in the later rounds now that we have been granted a supplemental 7th rounder.

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You bring in Sims-Walker you might get the same impact you got from Moss back in 05.

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Sims-Walker wants to go to the Dolphins, but that doesn't make sense for them. They got too many slow possession receivers already.

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[quote=theJBexperience;791260]Kind of surprised, AJ Green and Julio Jones haven't been on our radar yet. In my opinion, they could be the best available at 10. We definitely need an upgrade at WR, and I don't think we have a true #1 WR right now.[/quote]

Me too, both are top 5 offensive players in the draft. You would think they would be worth a work out at the 10 spot.

To further comment, with Santana not resigned and we needed help to begin with at that position...we are greatly lacking in talent at WR at this time.

Now if with resign Moss and add Sidney Rice...well...that would be awesome.

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Shanahan has a history of drafting guys that he doesn't attend workouts for, so you really can't rule out anyone. You have to assume anyone that is top 10 worthy is on the radar.

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[quote=Mattyk;791326]Shanahan has a history of drafting guys that he doesn't attend workouts for, so you really can't rule out anyone. You have to assume anyone that is top 10 worthy is on the radar.[/quote]

True ala Jay Cutler.

I think we could also potentially pick up some decent WR depth late in the draft or in free agency, which Shanny also has a history of doing. Hopefully, we can add a Jeff Maehl or Dane Sanzenbacher, some sure-handed, quick, productive WRs.

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Can anyone vouch for weather or not the Skins had someone at Locker's pro day?

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^ they said all 32 coaches were there

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[quote=skinsfaninok;791366]^ they said all 32 coaches were there[/quote]

Probably to see those two lineman that were on display.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;791366]^ they said all 32 coaches were there[/quote]

thats great news, someone might be able to take this guy before we make the mistake

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[quote=skinsfaninok;791366]^ they said all 32 coaches were there[/quote]

I could be wrong, but didn't they say on Path to the Draft that only Pete Carroll was there for Seattle?

That's what I heard at least.

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[quote=IrMitchell;791404]I could be wrong, but didn't they say on Path to the Draft that only Pete Carroll was there for Seattle?

That's what I heard at least.[/quote]

Yeah I heard that too, he was the only HC there, they didn't mention front office types that might have been there instead.

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It was mostly regional scouts that were there, which is usually the case anyway

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/38970/reading-tea-leaves-at-jake-lockers-pro-day]Reading tea leaves at Jake Locker's pro day - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/url]

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Interesting article, Matty.. The more I read about Locker, the more I hope we draft him somehow, without sacrificing anything..

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[quote=GridIron26;791434]Interesting article, Matty.. The more I read about Locker, the more I hope we draft him somehow, without sacrificing anything..[/quote]

us giving up draft picks to jump up and get any quarterback would be sickening with our extremely long, long list of needs. The days of us giving up draft picks needs to end. huge fail

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[quote=Chico23231;791437]us giving up draft picks to jump up and get any quarterback would be sickening with our extremely long, long list of needs. The days of us giving up draft picks needs to end. huge fail[/quote]

But that rule of not giving up draft picks doesn't apply to Kevin Kolb?

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[quote=SmootSmack;791443]But that rule of not giving up draft picks doesn't apply to Kevin Kolb?[/quote]

no it does, i wouldnt give a pick for him unless were in fantasy land where a 4th or 5th lands him. yeah i chose kolb just based on best fit/best passer combo for our team. i didnt take that into consideration.

I think if you look at QBs coming out next year you see better options. All I see are big time question marks this year, but hey thats my opinion.

Lets say Locker falls to us in the second, sure take him if the Shannys are in love with this guy. But the constant circle of draft to picks to move up or to trade for vets is a stratgdy that has failed for us 75% of the time. Bruce and Shanny did a nice job trimming fat last year and this year in salary, lets continue to do that and at the same time not toss draft picks. The holes are plenty now, lets bring in some young talent with every possibility and look for ways to move back to gain picks.

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[quote=Chico23231;791437]us giving up draft picks to jump up and get any quarterback would be sickening with our extremely long, long list of needs. The days of us giving up draft picks needs to end. huge fail[/quote]

I didn't say that we should trade up to draft Locker.. I said that I hope that we would be able to draft Locker without sacrificing anything aka draft Locker in 2nd round.

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[quote=GridIron26;791465]I didn't say that we should trade up to draft Locker.. I said that I hope that we would be able to draft Locker without sacrificing anything aka draft Locker in 2nd round.[/quote]

I know, I was reiterating your point. i agree. I hope we dont jump back into the first to get him.

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I wouldn't mind trading down from #10 into the early 20's to get him...even the late teens. I see him as a really good fit for our offense. Alot of young D McNabb in Locker.

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Mike Pouncey

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[quote=SmootSmack;791479]Mike Pouncey[/quote]

Oh god. People are going to go nuts over that one. Then they'll get pissed when we don't draft him.

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How awesome would it be if we pulled the impossible and were able to draft a Tyron Smith and Pouncey?

That would be a beast OL:

TW-KL-WM-MP-TS

That's an OL that's gonna make any skill position player better.

Forget QB that OL is sexy.

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[quote=30gut;791487]How awesome would it be if we pulled the impossible and were able to draft a Tyron Smith and Pouncey?

That would be a beast OL:

TW-KL-WM-MP-TS

That's an OL that's gonna make any skill position player better.

Forget QB that OL is sexy.[/quote]


It be great but I dont see it happening

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Stephen Wisniewski

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Mark Ingram

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Colin Kaepernick hasn't been mentioned. It's because Shanny is going to draft him.... and he plays Jedi mind tricks not talking about the people he really wants. Remember Jake Cutler anyone?