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Shanahan is terrible at "Suck for Luck." We need to start losing! /sarc

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I accidentally started a new thread about the 2012 draft not seeing this one, I'm just copying and pasting my op from the other thread that got closed down.

I just briefly checked over 5 2012 draft analyst sites, and I gotta say, things are looking very good for the skins. I want to preface with what I'm about to say with I know it is very early, things change, players don't come out, and we also don't know where we are going to draft, but at the same what I saw is still encouraging for the time being.
I'd say that from a drafting perspective, the positions we need to look at are WR, ILB, and QB. I tried to average all the sites I looked at out and it seems like there will be about 4 first round WRs, 3 first round ILBs (and at least one 4-3 olb that we might be able to convert), and 3 first round QBs. On top of that, I'd say corner and interior line would be our next priorities, with DL being a possibility also. It looked like there will be 4 first round corners, two first round guards, and 5 first round 3-4 DL. By my count, that's 10 players we could target, and 11 picks after that would contribute to our team (we'd probably just pick best player available.

If you don't care about why I think these positions are important, stop reading now.

WR-obviously we don't have any bonefide studs, but we do have ok depth. Moss is aging, gaffney is aging, Hankerson is too early to write off as being a number 1, but his zero catches isn't encouraging, and I think next year we will lose cooley. This is a draft pick for the future and the present.

ILB-Fletcher's contract is up and he is a million years old. Rocky's numbers look good, but I don't believe in him, and I don't think the skins FO does either. Our backups haven't done anything to show that they can fill in adequately as starters.

QB-Rex is doing fine now, but he is 31, and who knows how long he will keep up his good job.

CB-Hall, Wilson, Buchanon and possibly Barnes we have. Hall isn't a very technical cover man, he is an athlete and a gambler. He plays extremely hard/wrecklessly and I think this will impact his body quicker than it should. I don't think he will change his style of gambling or going for the big plays, but I think his athletic ability will dwindle soon and his playmaking ability will go with it as his knack for giving up big plays won't. Wilson hasn't done anything to impress me so far, and he's hurt all the time (plus he only has a 3 year deal). Barnes/Westbrook/others I don't think we can rely on to be starters down the road. Buchanon is in his last year with the skins imo.

DL- We are actually pretty good here imo with Jenkins, Coefield, Bowen, and Carriker if we re-sign him, but Jenkins might not recover well from his acl, and Carriker might not re-sign. But even if they do, it is always good to have depth/rotation players at DL. There seem to be about 5 players in the first that could play DL for us. If we don't like anyone at our target positions, and we really like someone at DL, I could see us taking one.

Interior linemen- Our interior line isn't too poor, but it could be better for sure. I honestly don't see shanny drafting any interior linemen, but I view it as a need so I put it there as a last resort option because I think he will take it over safety (laron and otagwe), OT (Williams, Brown), RB (hightower and Helu), TE (davis) and OLB (orakpo/kerrigan). I'd say if there is no DL we like at our spot, and we really like a guard, we'll take him. I think the battle between the 3 positions we might take but aren't a priority will come down to whatever player we are in love with the most (with CB having the slight edge over the other 2 due to shanny's past of not drafting interior o-linemen high, and our DL already being solid)

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If I were to draft for us right now, I'd get that Hosley kid from VT. The kid looks just like Revis at Pitt.

In the second round I'd get Kellen Moore. Look at Kurt Warner, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Both were smart with weak arms. Warner was really accurate and smart, knowing where to throw and into the blitz. Kellen is the same way. The only difference between Kellen and Kurt is height, and passing arm (left for kellen, right for kurt). Kellen IMO is just another great player that's 'too small' or 'does have the big arm' that will get to the pros and dominate.

third round I'd get an ILB like Donta Hightower or a backup DE incase Jarvis takes a while to recover.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;838783]If I were to draft for us right now, I'd get that Hosley kid from VT. The kid looks just like Revis at Pitt.

In the second round I'd get Kellen Moore. Look at Kurt Warner, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Both were smart with weak arms. Warner was really accurate and smart, knowing where to throw and into the blitz. Kellen is the same way. The only difference between Kellen and Kurt is height, and passing arm (left for kellen, right for kurt). Kellen IMO is just another great player that's 'too small' or 'does have the big arm' that will get to the pros and dominate.

third round I'd get an ILB like Donta Hightower or a backup DE incase Jarvis takes a while to recover.[/quote]

I was pretty young when Kurt was a ram, but from what I remember, and what I was told, he used to have a cannon. I know he changed his game when he was a cardinal, but that came after years of experience.

Not a believer in fitzpatrick yet.

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[quote=GTripp0012;838661]It's time to add Kirk Cousins to the group of first round quarterbacks as well.

It's hard to say if Barkley or Jones will come out (more confident that Jones will than Barkley), but this is such a loaded class of QBs. It's been a long time since we've seen five legit first rounders in a class.[/quote]

Plus there is some intriguing depth at the position. Guys like Tannehill and Cousins are making cases.

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[quote=Lotus;838771]Shanahan is terrible at "Suck for Luck." We need to start losing! /sarc[/quote]

yep...our only shot at Luck is for Carolina to suck. The way Newton is playing that is probably the only scenario where the #1 pick would be open for buisness. That's how I am looking at it. The skins were never going to finish last in the league...the key is someone who doesn't need Luck finishing last.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;838783]If I were to draft for us right now, I'd get that Hosley kid from VT. The kid looks just like Revis at Pitt.

In the second round I'd get Kellen Moore. Look at Kurt Warner, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Both were smart with weak arms. Warner was really accurate and smart, knowing where to throw and into the blitz. Kellen is the same way. The only difference between Kellen and Kurt is height, and passing arm (left for kellen, right for kurt). Kellen IMO is just another great player that's 'too small' or 'does have the big arm' that will get to the pros and dominate.

third round I'd get an ILB like Donta Hightower or a backup DE incase Jarvis takes a while to recover.[/quote]

Hosley might be the best CB in VT History and they've had some really good ones. He's a player.

Skins will be looking QB though. Mark it down.

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[quote=skinster;838801]I was pretty young when Kurt was a ram, but from what I remember, and what I was told, he used to have a cannon. I know he changed his game when he was a cardinal, but that came after years of experience.

Not a believer in fitzpatrick yet.[/quote]

Yeah, Warner of the late '90's had fine arm strength.

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[quote=celts32;838820]yep...our only shot at Luck is for Carolina to suck. The way Newton is playing that is probably the only scenario where the #1 pick would be open for buisness. That's how I am looking at it. The skins were never going to finish last in the league...the key is someone who doesn't need Luck finishing last.[/quote]Carolina won't be the worst in the league. The Luck sweepstakes will be decided in the Luck Bowl, Week 5, KC vs. Indy @ Indy. Other than this game, I only see 1 other game for either team to even have a 50/50 chance to win.

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Rumor is that KC has already sewn a Luck jersey and sent him a playbook. :cheeky-sm

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[quote=CultBrennan59;838783]If I were to draft for us right now, I'd get that Hosley kid from VT. The kid looks just like Revis at Pitt.

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hosely is more like a deangelo hall than a revis imo. hosely makes a lot of big plays but i dont think he will be a shut down guy in the nfl. more of a risk taker/playmaker

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This draft this upcoming year has a lot of talent in our area of needs.

QB (luck, Kellen Moore, barkley*, Cousins, Foles, Landry Jones)
WR ( Alshon Jefferey, Blackmon, Floyd, TY Hilton)
T (Kalil, the Iowa state guy, Nate Potter of Boise st)
G (theres some good depth guys) Glenn UGA, DeCastro standford
C (^)Brewster OSU, Jones UGA

DL (Jared Crick, Billy Winn Boise st.)
LB (Burfict, Kuechly*, Te'o*, Hightower, Upshaw)
CB (Alfronzo Dennard nebraska, Hosley VT, Claiborne LSU, Cliff Harris * oregon, Janoris Jenkins, Dre Kirkpatrick)
S (Mark Barron, Kenny Tate, Ray Ray Armstrong)


[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4yWAOqviFY&feature=related]Sport Science: Jayron Hosley - YouTube[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97kBZqj270&NR=1]Sport Science: Justin Blackmon - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=FRPLG;838802]Plus there is some intriguing depth at the position. Guys like Tannehill and Cousins are making cases.[/quote]
Tannehill had a nice run for a td ....65 yards ![url=http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=312670245]Oklahoma State Cowboys vs. Texas A&M Aggies - Box Score - September 24, 2011 - ESPN[/url]

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After this weekend of teams just looking terrible, we're somehow pretty secure in being in the top half of the 32. At this point it seems the best that we are going to be able to pick is Te'o (not that that is a bad thing in anyway). [url=http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012_1.php]WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Mock Draft: First Round Continued[/url] No Suck for Luck for us.

dallas is going down tonight!

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[url=http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/story/_/id/7358275/usc-trojans-matt-kalil-enter-2012-nfl-draft]USC Trojans' Matt Kalil to enter 2012 NFL draft - ESPN Los Angeles[/url]


Guess that means Barkley is coming out as well because he's been parroting they were a package deal. (which I do not believe)

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[quote=Big C;839113]hosely is more like a deangelo hall than a revis imo. hosely makes a lot of big plays but i dont think he will be a shut down guy in the nfl. more of a risk taker/playmaker[/quote]

Agree Hosely is more playmaker than shutdown.

I think CB is the toughest positions to project at the next level, followed by QB and WR.

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[quote=Big C;838312]robert griffin III from baylor would be a good fit imo if he leaves early.[/quote]

"Griffin, who enrolled at Baylor in January of 2008 and redshirted in 2009 after a knee injury, will earn his master’s degree this spring in corporate communications. He will petition the NCAA to allow him to go to law school while he plays his senior season and trains to get onto the 2012 Olympics team to compete in the 400-meter hurdles.

The NFL—where he’ll likely be a top 10 pick—can wait.

“You gotta have a plan, but realize that plans don’t always work out. Plan B is the NFL,” Griffin says. “Whenever you ask me what are my plans, the first thing that comes out of my mouth is not to be an NFL player. I want to go to law school, I want to be a lawyer, maybe a sports agent. That’s the plan. All of that other stuff doesn’t matter until I’m done here at Baylor.”

And for every underdog put in every situation that was seemingly too immense."

He's not coming out to play. He want's to be a lawyer. NFL money is Plan B for this kid. Got to give him credit. That takes a man right there to say that.



Read more: [url=http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-12-14/robert-griffin-iii-named-sporting-news-player-of-the-year#ixzz1gi6AiioH]Robert Griffin III named Sporting News' player of the year - NCAA Football - Sporting News[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;868269]"Griffin, who enrolled at Baylor in January of 2008 and redshirted in 2009 after a knee injury, will earn his master’s degree this spring in corporate communications. He will petition the NCAA to allow him to go to law school while he plays his senior season and trains to get onto the 2012 Olympics team to compete in the 400-meter hurdles.

The NFL—where he’ll likely be a top 10 pick—can wait.

“You gotta have a plan, but realize that plans don’t always work out. Plan B is the NFL,” Griffin says. “Whenever you ask me what are my plans, the first thing that comes out of my mouth is not to be an NFL player. I want to go to law school, I want to be a lawyer, maybe a sports agent. That’s the plan. All of that other stuff doesn’t matter until I’m done here at Baylor.”

And for every underdog put in every situation that was seemingly too immense."

He's not coming out to play. He want's to be a lawyer. NFL money is Plan B for this kid. Got to give him credit. That takes a man right there to say that.



Read more: [url=http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-12-14/robert-griffin-iii-named-sporting-news-player-of-the-year#ixzz1gi6AiioH]Robert Griffin III named Sporting News' player of the year - NCAA Football - Sporting News[/url][/quote] The question is when did he make that statement? Since he won the Heisman he hasn't said weather he's going to stay or enter the draft. More than likely he made that statement months ago. I think it's 90% chance he's going to come out.

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why not take 20 mill play 3 years and then do whatever you want?

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[quote=That Guy;868383]why not take 20 mill play 3 years and then do whatever you want?[/quote]

RG3 parents are already interviewing agents for him. I think he's more than likely going to come out.

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[quote=Landry44;868384]RG3 parents are already interviewing agents for him. I think he's more than likely going to come out.[/quote]

Where did you hear this?

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[quote=skinsguy;868421]Where did you hear this?[/quote]

[url]http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/12/16/2641347/rg2-be[/url]...

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/16/report-robert-griffin-iiis-parents-interviewing-agents/]Report: Robert Griffin III’s parents interviewing agents | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[url=http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/12/16/2641568/robert-griffin-iii-baylor-agent-nfl-draft-pro-parents]Robert Griffin III's Parents Shopping For Agent, According To Report - SBNation.com[/url]

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[quote=Landry44;868424][URL]http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/12/16/2641347/rg2-be[/URL]...

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/16/report-robert-griffin-iiis-parents-interviewing-agents/"]Report: Robert Griffin III’s parents interviewing agents | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

[URL="http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/12/16/2641568/robert-griffin-iii-baylor-agent-nfl-draft-pro-parents"]Robert Griffin III's Parents Shopping For Agent, According To Report - SBNation.com[/URL][/quote]


LOL! And I'll hand it back to you like you did me with the article I found. It all points back to someone from Yahoo sports. Not multiple sources. Look, I hope we do get to see RG III in the NFL next year. The kid is an exciting player to watch. But, don't get your hopes up on him. I think any one of the quarterback prospects for next year's draft will be an upgrade for the Redskins. I just hope it's someone who's ready to step in from day one and start.

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tony_pauline/12/16/bowl.prospects/index.html?sct=nfl_wr_a3]Vontaze Burfict, Vinny Curry, top prospects to in first week of bowl games - Tony Pauline - SI.com[/url]

Here's some of the prospects we should be looking at when we start watching bowl games today.

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A possible sleeper pick for a WR is FIU's T.Y. Hilton; dude is blazing fast, absolute playmaker. Also used on kick-off and punt returns

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Worse case scenario: what if the Redskins miss out on drafting a QB and they are stuck with Grossman and Beck yet again? There will be much grumbling from the fans and hellish criticism from the media. Does Bruce Allen make a trade to land a veteran QB or do they tough it out with Beck and Grossman yet again?

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;869658]Worse case scenario: what if the Redskins miss out on drafting a QB and they are stuck with Grossman and Beck yet again? There will be much grumbling from the fans and hellish criticism from the media. Does Bruce Allen make a trade to land a veteran QB or do they tough it out with Beck and Grossman yet again?[/quote]

I imagine we'd go after a matt hasslebeck or some such. This is the FA year of the wide receiver, so with a #1 WR, and 2 new OL guys (grubbs and a 1st or 2nd round RT), and less injuries, the offense should improve quite a bit. beck is gone, we're bringing in at least 2 new QBs, and at least one of them will be a round 1-2 or average FA nfl starter (ie upgrade).

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;869658]Worse case scenario: what if the Redskins miss out on drafting a QB and they are stuck with Grossman and Beck yet again? There will be much grumbling from the fans and hellish criticism from the media. Does Bruce Allen make a trade to land a veteran QB or do they tough it out with Beck and Grossman yet again?[/quote]

Whether he's worth it or not is up for debate, but I'm willing to bet they go after Matt Flynn. I'd rather him than Hasslebeck but would have preferred Barkley or RGIII.