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[quote=Chico23231;805138]I think in terms of value, look at the recent draft. Wrap your brain around christian ponder middle first round, and the what 4th, 5th QB taken at that point? Think of that talent pool of QBs and how high they went.

Now think if you could land Terrel Pryor with a 4th round value, getting him in a year early to sit and learn. Maybe even a 3rd.

Im much much comfortable using a 4th on TP than say a Ponder, Gabbert, Cam, Locker in the 1st round. Risk. From a value standpoint TP in the 4th or 3rd much better value. I wouldnt be upset with a gamble from that standpoint.[/quote]

good point. 4th round would be a good value. If he becomes the starter at some point it's a steal, if not it's not too much to lose. 3rd round might be too high for us to bid, but I think Shanny would gamble a 3rd if he likes his potential. Mike Shanahan is risk taker & like you said, this is so much less risk than drafting a qb in 1st or 2nd round.

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For once I think I semi-agree with NC_Skins on a point. The kid is a punk, from every account I've [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6611808"]read[/URL], the one that stands out to me the most is [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=6611869"]this[/URL]. Now obviously people can chalk that up to the kid being immature, or w/e reason, and basically say that won't stop him from being a successful qb in the NFL, but how many "bad apples" come out of college football and are able to turn their lives around in the NFL? More often than not you hear about them living the same way they always have, which is basically them coming across as acting like they are above the law. I don't deny that the kid has talent, but talent isn't worth anything if a persons' character prevents that talent from ever fully realizing it on the field. I wouldn't take him, just because it sounds like he hasn't learned anything from the NCAA/OS investigation into his cars. Shanny is a risk taker though, and the risk is minimal if we use a 4th or a 5th round pick on him, so we might end up seeing him in a 'Skins uniform if Shanny determines his talent overrides his character concerns.

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In addition to the free tatoos, the big issue around Pryor are all the automobiles he's been driving since being at OSU (allegedly as many as 8 different cars in 3 years).

So yesterday there was a players only meeting for the Buckeyes and what does Pryor show up in? A 350Z with temporary tags. He just doesn't get it. I don't want any part of that dude. Oh yeah, he also has a a suspended license until August 18th of this year.

[URL="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303745304576357720386497658.html"]Scrutiny in Columbus Over a Nissan 350Z Driven by Terrelle Pryor - WSJ.com[/URL]

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I really don't know much about the guy but just based on what some of you are saying I would definitely pass. He sounds like a headache waiting to happen.

You got the right one babbyyyyyyyyyyyy!
 

[IMG]http://media.cleveland.com/osu_impact/photo/pryorsackdcjpg-cbeccf785d9f7249_large.jpg[/IMG]
Ohio State's Terrelle Pryor (2) can't escape the pressure and is sacked by Purdue's Ryan Kerrigan (94), Mike Neal (92), and Keyon Brown (95) during the fourth quarter of Saturday's 24-16 Boilermakers victory in West Lafayette, Ind.

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Anyway on this issue I think we need to ask Vinny what he would do and then do the opposite.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/5/31/2199643/mike-adams-in-the-supplemental-draft#storyjump]Mike Adams in the Supplemental Draft ?? - Hogs Haven[/url]

Saw & read this thought I might add it to the conversation.

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[quote=NC_Skins;805133]The report has been he's used over 8 different cars since his time at Ohio State. It's quite obvious from the investigative report from SI that this dealership is loaning him cars to use. He sure as hell didn't pay for it. (or any of the other 7 cars) If he was selling gear and other stuff, what makes you think he wasn't taking cars from dealerships? Come on man....lol People are in so denial about things.[/quote]

I can see taking some cash or some small handouts. But if was driving 7 cars from a dealership then it might be time for Pryor to move on. It will all come out.

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[quote=Chico23231;805138]I think in terms of value, look at the recent draft. Wrap your brain around christian ponder middle first round, and the what 4th, 5th QB taken at that point? Think of that talent pool of QBs and how high they went.

Now think if you could land Terrel Pryor with a 4th round value, getting him in a year early to sit and learn. Maybe even a 3rd.

Im much much comfortable using a 4th on TP than say a Ponder, Gabbert, Cam, Locker in the 1st round. Risk. From a value standpoint TP in the 4th or 3rd much better value. I wouldnt be upset with a gamble from that standpoint.[/quote]

I think the reason Ponder shot up draft boards was in part cause of his off season. He got a chance to meet with coaches, he played well in the Senior Bowl and had a good combine. Not the case with Pryor. But all it takes is one team to like the guy.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;805248][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/5/31/2199643/mike-adams-in-the-supplemental-draft#storyjump]Mike Adams in the Supplemental Draft ?? - Hogs Haven[/url]

Saw & read this thought I might add it to the conversation.[/quote]

No thanks we already have access to Jammal Brown and will also likely have a chance to sign Clabo, Harris, or Trueblood if that doesn't work out.

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If I could get Pryor with a 6th/5th round pick I would do it.

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The last thing we need in this rebuild is another contreversal player. We need to eliminate drama not add too it.

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[quote=GMScud;805189]In addition to the free tatoos, the big issue around Pryor are all the automobiles he's been driving since being at OSU (allegedly as many as 8 different cars in 3 years).

So yesterday there was a players only meeting for the Buckeyes and what does Pryor show up in? A 350Z with temporary tags. He just doesn't get it. I don't want any part of that dude. [B]Oh yeah, he also has a a suspended license until August 18th of this year.[/B]

[URL="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303745304576357720386497658.html"]Scrutiny in Columbus Over a Nissan 350Z Driven by Terrelle Pryor - WSJ.com[/URL][/quote]

its absolutely crazy hes just able to get away with it.

Read the embedded local news investigative report halfway down the page from yahoo. Explains and interviews people involved with the obvious scheme, great perspective:

[URL="http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/OSU-Vehiclegate-Pryor-shows-up-to-team-meeting-;_ylt=Ar8NdlR9nopGp_rGNR0Resg5nYcB?urn=ncaaf-wp2035"]OSU Vehiclegate: Pryor shows up to team meeting in a new ride - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

I mean does this guy simply does not give a sh*t. I woulda been paranoid and gotten rid of the cars, ole TP, he's chill with it even after his coach has been fired and NCAA has said "hey we are gonna look hard at this". Wow TP must be smoking some gooooood stuff too not to care

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Nah, let this one pass.

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How come whenever a star college athlete gets caught with their hand in the cookie everyone pretends like that guy is the [I][B]only [/B][/I]guy doing it?

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Shanahan has learned his lesson from drafting Maurice Clarrett and won't make that mistake again. Pryor will be another NFL bust if drafted.

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No because I think that a 4th rounder is his true value as an NFL QB. You're supposed to get a potential steal in the supplemental draft, not fair value.

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As a Buckeye fan who has watched the Scarlet and Grey since Earle coached them, I can wholeheartedly say he would be a wasted pick. Many guys like Kiper think he is WR material and never will be a NFL QB, and I concur. He runs, but is not a very good passer, not good enough to win in the NFL for that matter. From his frosh year to last year, he never lived up to expectations as his learning/improvement curve stayed relatively low. The guy is a total idiot that helped bring down a pretty good HC. I do not understand why anyone would even want to waste a draft pick on a 3-4 year QB project that simply won't pan out. To succeed in the NFL as a QB you must use your most important organ, your brain. Not only doesn't Pryor have an accurate arm, he is an imbecile.

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[quote=30gut;805260]If I could get Pryor with a 6th/5th round pick I would do it.[/quote]


Wasted Pick, unless you want him as a WR. Kid did not develop well as a QB. He won't be able to run like that in the NFL.

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[quote=tryfuhl;805295]No because I think that a 4th rounder is his true value as an NFL QB. You're supposed to get a potential steal in the supplemental draft, not fair value.[/quote]

Pryor isn't potential anything at QB. Kiper is right. If you take a chance with him it is at WR, but then his idiocracy should make him undraftable.

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[quote=30gut;805284]How come whenever a star college athlete gets caught with their hand in the cookie everyone pretends like that guy is the [I][B]only [/B][/I]guy doing it?[/quote]


First of all why? Simple, most guys are smart enough not to be so blatant about it. Why would you show off when you know the press has you in the spotlight?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;805264]The last thing we need in this rebuild is another contreversal player. We need to eliminate drama not add too it.[/quote]

Exactly!!!!!!! Not to mention he is not a NFL QB.

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[quote=mooby;805176]For once I think I semi-agree with NC_Skins on a point. The kid is a punk, from every account I've [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6611808"]read[/URL], the one that stands out to me the most is [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=6611869"]this[/URL]. Now obviously people can chalk that up to the kid being immature, or w/e reason, and basically say that won't stop him from being a successful qb in the NFL, but how many "bad apples" come out of college football and are able to turn their lives around in the NFL? More often than not you hear about them living the same way they always have, which is basically them coming across as acting like they are above the law. I don't deny that the kid has talent, but talent isn't worth anything if a persons' character prevents that talent from ever fully realizing it on the field. I wouldn't take him, just because it sounds like he hasn't learned anything from the NCAA/OS investigation into his cars. Shanny is a risk taker though, and the risk is minimal if we use a 4th or a 5th round pick on him, so we might end up seeing him in a 'Skins uniform if Shanny determines his talent overrides his character concerns.[/quote]

Thing is the kid did not improve enough from his first to his third year in terms of his passing. Yeah, Terrell has his running game down, but that didn't help Vick at all in ATL. Vick was a better passer at VT than Pryor at OSU.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;805304]Wasted Pick, unless you want him as a WR.[B][I] Kid did not develop well as a QB[/I][/B]. He won't be able to run like that in the NFL.[/quote]I can't tell if you're joking or not.
He improved each year.
2,772 yards 65 comp% 27 TDs 11 INTS 157.9 QB rating (in a pro style offense)
And the physical skillset is undeniable
A 6th round pick well worth the risk.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;805258]No thanks we already have access to Jammal Brown and will also likely have a chance to sign Clabo, Harris, or Trueblood if that doesn't work out.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I dont think NYCSkins or the Hogs Heaven blog is saying Mike Adams is gonna step in to be a starter right off the bat, espicailly with this whole lockout thing going on. Hes still pretty young and is gonna need a little time. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I would love to have Ryan Harris but I don’t think I would be too crazy about Trueblood or Clabo. And all 3 of the options are gonna cost a whole lot more than a 4th round supplemental draft pick. Im not too sure Jammal Brown is returning. Even if we got Harris and were able to keep Brown the only odd man out would probably be Heyer but i think hes gone if we get Harris or any of the others you listed. Selvish Capers could remain on the practice squad. Id personally be okay with having too many good offensive lineman then not enough.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Not sure I believe this but I thought I would post it.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6618925]Source: NCAA interviews Ohio State Buckeyes' Terrelle Pryor, mother Thomasina on use of loaner cars - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;805126]It's nothing narrow minded about it. It's about recognizing what is good in college and works there, doesn't in the NFL. Big arm, height, mobility, intelligence, accuracy, character all play a part in it.


Also, the very guy being investigated for improper use of cars decides to roll up Monday to a team only meeting in this?

[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0531/ncf_a_tpryts_600.jpg[/IMG]

I don't need to see a Wonderlic test to know this guy is a idiot. He's pretty much sending a message that yeah I did this shit and got my coach fired but so what!! You want that leading your pro team? Good thing many of you don't run this team.[/quote]

Living in Ohio and being a Die hard Buckeye fan I would say you said it like it is.Two coaches that I have admired are Tressel and Gibbs. Pryor is to stupid to know that he was part of getting a Legend fired.

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[quote=Bigreds77;805621]Living in Ohio and being a Die hard Buckeye fan I would say you said it like it is.Two coaches that I have admired are Tressel and Gibbs. Pryor is to stupid to know that he was part of getting a Legend fired.[/quote]

Seems your "legend" has been cheating his whole life. It's not just the dummy Pryor. Tressel could have made stands his whole career and hasn't done it once. What kind of legend is that? He's been turning the blind eye since he was a coordinator.

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College football is a joke and is a big mess. Between the BCS bowl system, the good ole boy bowl committees and its crazy rules, don't blame one guy for this supposed 'huge scandal'. I have been reading more about this so called 'huge scandal'. Yes, rules were broken but this is not a grade fixing or test cheating scandal about eligibility. Players were not caught taking steroids. OSU players did not gang raped a girl and the team and school covered it up.
The players sold rings and other memorabilia that was GIVEN to them. Since when do you GIVE a gift to someone with rules of you can not sell the gift? The rules in college sports and amateur sports are joke especially when you think about the large amount of money college football generates for the NCAA and the Schools...while at the same time some of these kids come from poor families. I was a poor college student once. There were days I barely had money to get something healthy to eat.
Add to this the crazy NFL rule that a player has to be a certain age to play this game in the NFL. This was done to make the NCAA happy and allow scouts free access to the campus' and keep them happy.
It is so easy for some to demonize the players and coaches.
Are academic scholarship students in college under the same set of rules?

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^^ In response to that crazy rant above, I have to say your stance is a bit misguided. Athletes are under a set of rules to prevent advantages from bigger schools with more resources. It has to be in place to keep the advantages equal. However, it's apparent that the bigger schools aren't abiding by these rules as we've seen time and time again the programs being brought down.

What they should do is this. Coaches that get caught breaking (or ignoring) NCAA infractions, they should be fired, fined, and banned from coaching (beginning at a 5 year ban to indefinitely). Period. Tressel should never be allowed to coach again in the NCAA. It's not his first offense, and most likely won't be his last. (and many other coaches fall under this as well)

Right now, a coach can have all sorts of NCAA infractions against them, jet to another school and nothing happens.(in any sport) How in the hell does John Calapari still have a job in the NCAA system? It's mind boggling.


Paying athletes? Nope. SHouldn't happen. They get paid for room and board, education, and the cost of books. I dare you add that all up and see how much it equates to. Also, people don't realize that the money that college football (or basketball) brings in supports all the other athletic programs at a school.

[url=http://www.ecupirates.com/facilities/facility-construction-2010.html]EAST CAROLINA OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE - Facilities[/url]

Look at that sweet new Olympic Complex going up at ECU. Who do think pays for that new soccer, softball, track field? Football does, that's who. Who do you think pays for the girls basketball team to travel from place to place? Football and men's basketball, that's who.

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[quote=NC_Skins;805641]Also, people don't realize that the money that college football (or basketball) brings in supports all the other athletic programs at a school.[/quote]Universally? Where is your proof? This is a myth.

I would be willing to bet that at a fine institution such as East Carolina, football, at very best, is self sustaining from a financial perspective. But even that would put ECU in the minority of self-sustaining FB programs, so it certainly wouldn't shock me if their football program (along with the rest of C-USA) are running in the red.

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[quote=30gut;805327]I can't tell if you're joking or not.
He improved each year.
2,772 yards 65 comp% 27 TDs 11 INTS 157.9 QB rating (in a pro style offense)
And the physical skillset is undeniable
A 6th round pick well worth the risk.[/quote]I would argue that Ohio St. is nowhere near a "Pro Style" offense.

While Pryor was padding his numbers against; Marshall, Ohio, E. Michigan and the middle/bottom of the Big Ten how did he do against competitive teams:
Wisconsin: 14-28 156yds 50% Comp 0 TD 1 INT
Miami: 12-27 233yds 44% Comp 1 TD 0 INT
Iowa: 18-33 195yds 54.5% Comp 1 TD 2 INT
Arkansas: He played well 14-25 221yds 56% Comp 2 TD 0 INT

Keep in mind he won't be able to put up the run numbers he did in the NCAA at the NFL level. Pryor is not, and I don't expect will develop into, a proficient passer at the NFL level. Would I risk a sixth rounder on him as an "athlete", yes. Projected as a full-time QB, no way.

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Some interesting info:

[url=http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Behind+the+Blue+Disk/Behind+the+Blue+Disk+-+FBS+Athletic+Revenues+and+Expenses]Behind the Blue Disk - FBS Athletic Revenues and Expenses - NCAA.org[/url]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5490686]NCAA report: Economy cuts into college athletics - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://www.businesspundit.com/the-12-most-valuable-teams-in-ncaa-football/]The 12 Most Valuable Teams in NCAA Football | Business Pundit[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;805643]Universally? Where is your proof? This is a myth.

I would be willing to bet that at a fine institution such as East Carolina, football, at very best, is self sustaining from a financial perspective. But even that would put ECU in the minority of self-sustaining FB programs, so it certainly wouldn't shock me if their football program (along with the rest of C-USA) are running in the red.[/quote]


First off, I work at a University. Second, I know and work with people in the Athletic Department so I know how it works. You on the other hand are making claims about it being a "myth" when it is in fact a reality. Where is YOUR proof that it's a myth?

[url=http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/05/03/how-much-of-a-drain-are-other-sports/]How Much of a Drain are “Other Sports” «[/url]

Also, if it goes in the red for so long without another program carrying it, chances are it'll be shutdown.

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[quote=NC_Skins;805650]First off, I work at a University. Second, I know and work with people in the Athletic Department so I know how it works. You on the other hand are making claims about it being a "myth" when it is in fact a reality. Where is YOUR proof that it's a myth?

[url=http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/05/03/how-much-of-a-drain-are-other-sports/]How Much of a Drain are “Other Sports” «[/url]

Also, if it goes in the red for so long without another program carrying it, chances are it'll be shutdown.[/quote]College Football program. Shut down. That's a good one. I lol'ed.

You must not be familiar with the burden of proof concept. When you can't back up a claim, I can just tell you that you can't back up your claim, and then you have to go out and prove it.

[url=http://pointofthegame.blogspot.com/2010/12/dominance-and-myth-of-college-football_22.html]Point of the Game: The Dominance and the Myth of College Football II[/url]

[quote]The football data highlights the nasty secret of football and college sport: the world segregates by the vast majority of haves-sort; some sort of haves; and a super elite of absurd abundance, rather like the modern U.S. wealth distribution system. [B]A staggering 94 percent of college football programs lose money; their revenue streams do not cover the costs of the program. This refutes the often cited claim that football pays for the rest of the athletic program. In a very very very few programs, maybe 10, football may generate enough surplus to help support other college sports[/B], but in the vast majority of programs football programs vacuum up 85 percent of the expenditures and do not cover their costs.
[/quote]

I am surprised that the University of Central Florida is one of the two or three programs in the nation that can sustain an athletics program based strictly off the revenues of its football program. I would not have expected that. I know, for a fact, they are pretty much alone in terms of colleges of their size.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;805647]Some interesting info:

[url=http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Behind+the+Blue+Disk/Behind+the+Blue+Disk+-+FBS+Athletic+Revenues+and+Expenses]Behind the Blue Disk - FBS Athletic Revenues and Expenses - NCAA.org[/url]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5490686]NCAA report: Economy cuts into college athletics - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://www.businesspundit.com/the-12-most-valuable-teams-in-ncaa-football/]The 12 Most Valuable Teams in NCAA Football | Business Pundit[/url][/quote]


Solidifies what I was saying about big sport athletics paying for all the small ones. THIS is why you can't pay athletes beyond their scholarships and room and board.

[quote]"Football and men's basketball are the only two sports you have any chance of making money," he said. "If you start splitting that up between 30 or 40 sports, you start losing money."[/quote]

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[quote=GTripp0012;805651]College Football program. Shut down. That's a good one. I lol'ed.
[/quote]



[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/03/hofstra-football-canceled_n_378516.html]Hofstra Football Canceled: Program Shut Down, Report Says[/url]

Keep LOL'ing bro.

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[quote=NC_Skins;805641]^^ In response to that crazy rant above, I have to say your stance is a bit misguided. Athletes are under a set of rules to prevent advantages from bigger schools with more resources. It has to be in place to keep the advantages equal. However, it's apparent that the bigger schools aren't abiding by these rules as we've seen time and time again the programs being brought down.

What they should do is this. Coaches that get caught breaking (or ignoring) NCAA infractions, they should be fired, fined, and banned from coaching (beginning at a 5 year ban to indefinitely). Period.[B] Tressel should never be allowed to coach again in the NCAA. It's not his first offense, and most likely won't be his last. (and many other coaches fall under this as well)[/B]

Right now, a coach can have all sorts of NCAA infractions against them, jet to another school and nothing happens.(in any sport) How in the hell does John Calapari still have a job in the NCAA system? It's mind boggling.


Paying athletes? Nope. SHouldn't happen. They get paid for room and board, education, and the cost of books. I dare you add that all up and see how much it equates to. Also, people don't realize that the money that college football (or basketball) brings in supports all the other athletic programs at a school.

[URL="http://www.ecupirates.com/facilities/facility-construction-2010.html"]EAST CAROLINA OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE - Facilities[/URL]

Look at that sweet new Olympic Complex going up at ECU. Who do think pays for that new soccer, softball, track field? Football does, that's who. Who do you think pays for the girls basketball team to travel from place to place? Football and men's basketball, that's who.[/quote]

It sounds like you're one of the infractions people for the NCAA. His players were trading in rings that they earned for tats. Big deal! They all should've been suspended for a couple of games. They earned the rings and they should be allowed to do what ever the hell they want with them. A ring for some tats? We're not talking about thousands of dollars here. lol. Tressel turned his head an lied about it. Again, he should've taken his 2-3 game suspension and be done with it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;805651]You must not be familiar with the burden of proof concept. When you can't back up a claim, I can just tell you that you can't back up your claim, and then you have to go out and prove it.

[url=http://pointofthegame.blogspot.com/2010/12/dominance-and-myth-of-college-football_22.html]Point of the Game: The Dominance and the Myth of College Football II[/url][/quote]

?? You haven't backed up yours either.


[quote=GTripp0012;805651]I am surprised that the University of Central Florida is one of the two or three programs in the nation that can sustain an athletics program based strictly off the revenues of its football program. I would not have expected that. [U][B]I know, for a fact, they are pretty much alone in terms of colleges of their size[/B][/U].[/quote]

How do you know this for a fact? You have the numbers? For somebody claiming to know something as fact, you have shown very little evidence. I bet you quite a few universities can as well. West Virginia, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, USF, and I can roll on down the list of BCS conferences and list their teams as well.


[quote]The football data highlights the nasty secret of football and college sport: the world segregates by the vast majority of haves-sort; some sort of haves; and a super elite of absurd abundance, rather like the modern U.S. wealth distribution system. [U][B]A staggering 94 percent of college football programs lose money[/B][/U]; their revenue streams do not cover the costs of the program. This refutes the often cited claim that football pays for the rest of the athletic program. In a very very very few programs, maybe 10, football may generate enough surplus to help support other college sports, but in the vast majority of programs football programs vacuum up 85 percent of the expenditures and do not cover their costs. [/quote]

Where did this bullshit come from? Are they talking about all three divisions? (I,II,III??) Can you get something more credible?


Here you go.

[url=http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/04/26/how-profitable-is-football-in-conference-usa/]How Profitable is Football in Conference USA? «[/url]

Take in consideration, this is the lowly Conference USA.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

Terrelle Pryor, interestingly, profiles quite well as a supplemental draft prospect. Really well, actually. Good height, strong build, a nice pedigree, being highly recruited out of PA. And really, he's started a ton of games (34) at Ohio State, was underrated with his accuracy this year, moves the chains, and doesn't have an obscenely high sack rate or anything (a fairly standard 6%).

The concerns about Pryor, I believe, aren't a mirage. He's a 21 year old kid. Does he truly "get it?" Does he understand what he needs to work on to improve and succeed at the next level? Well, he's young and likely still has people telling him what he needs to work on rather than understanding it for himself.

My concerns about Pryor are similar in nature to the concerns many had about Blaine Gabbert coming out. The differences of course could be as simple as Pryor's off-field activity being scrutinized in Columbus where Gabbert went largely unscrutinized in Columbia.

If you need your QB comparisons made along racial lines, Pryor is very similar to Josh Freeman in college. Freeman never ran as much, so he had less perceived translation to the NFL, but Freeman also had less necessity to run in the Big 12. Pryor often ran out of necessity, and while you could argue that it could have hindered his development as a passer, when you look at what you have in Pryor, you see a guy who looks a lot like the incredibly flawed first rounders of past seasons.

He succeeds in a good situation in the NFL, and fails in a poor situation. Which makes him...a pretty standard first rounder (but not top five pick) from the past four NFL drafts. Pryor's questions are, at least, more related to his off-field conduct than his on field performance, which gets graded often as only a negative.

If he enters the supplemental draft, I think a fourth round pick would be value well spent on Pryor as a QB.