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[quote=CRedskinsRule;805604][B]A different "insider" that posts on the cowboys board[/B] has insinuated that DSmith was very stubborn at the mediation by Cohen, and that Cohen was upset by his behavior. I am just wondering if you heard any inkling of that SS? I certainly can't verify it, so I am not saying its true, but the guy is usually reputable.[/quote]

I stopped reading right there.

~Shakes head and walks away.

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[quote=Mattyk;805605]I stopped reading right there.

~Shakes head and walks away.[/quote]

Say it as you want, but if SS says something, I give a lot of credence to his words because of his knowledge etc. This guy has some similar connections, and rarely throws out stuff when not confident.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;805608]Say it as you want, but if SS says something, I give a lot of credence to his words because of his knowledge etc. This guy has some similar connections, and rarely throws out stuff when not confident.[/QUOTE]

Just bustin your chops. But seriously, what are you doing on a Cowboys forum!


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Following adbrandt on twitter at ESPN ... looks like 8th Circuit holding true to form.

[quote]@adbrandt As the questioning was more strident towards Owners with Judge Nelson, the converse is true here today.[/quote]

[quote]@adbrandt Judge Colloton says N-L Act could work towards future damages but implies could prevent injunction.[/quote]

[quote]@adbrandt Two judges who sided with Owners in stays asking many questions to Olson [NFLPA's Attorney]. Judge Bye who ruled for Players has not said a word.[/quote]

[quote]@adbrandt Judge Colloton wants to get to whether this is a labor dispute or not. Olson sticking with antitrust arguments.[/quote]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;805604]A different "insider" that posts on the cowboys board has insinuated that DSmith was very stubborn at the mediation by Cohen, and that Cohen was upset by his behavior. I am just wondering if you heard any inkling of that SS? I certainly can't verify it, so I am not saying its true, but the guy is usually reputable.[/quote]

That he's stubborn? Sure, I don't think there's much doubt about that. Doesn't mean he and Goodell (who is also stubborn) can't be and aren't cordial toward each other in private.

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[quote=Mattyk;805610]Just bustin your chops. But seriously, what are you doing on a Cowboys forum!


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Honestly, as football comments go, they tend to get WAAAYYY overboard on how great they are etc, but they have several lawyers who have gone back and forth on this lockout/lawsuit, and it has really been interesting conversations, especially given the minimal amount of football related stuff going on.


anyone else think if they put the court hearing today on as an hour special, it would get good ratings? sounds like some real banter going on.

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I liked what Robert Kraft said in regard to lawyers being deal breakers rather than deal makers. Sums up my feelings too and I wouldn't tune in if the hearing today was televised.

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Updating:

[quote] @adbrandt Olson getting peppered about collapse of bargaining leading to decertification. "sufficiently distant in time" key phrase for Judges.[/quote]

[quote]@adbrandt Olson: "Period of protection from labor laws is over!" Not sure two judges agree.[/quote]

[quote]@adbrandt Olson brings up the TV case before Doty, word "unconscionable" thrown in.[/quote]

[quote]@adbrandt Olson in last few minutes hammering home point of union being entitled to decertify. The union is dead. Antitrust law should apply.[/quote]

[quote]@adbrandt Clement up for rebuttal. Back to issue of length of labor exemption to 6 mths minimum. [/quote]

[quote]@adbrandt Clement harping on multiple mentions in N-L Act of "labor dispute." it protects employers as it does employees.[/quote]

[quote]@adbrandt Citing major cases that lockouts covered by N-L Act. Amenable to a hearing to see if decertification was valid. [/quote]

[quote] @adbrandt Concluding remarks [I think Brandt means the Court's concluding remarks - not sure] : render decision in "due course." won't be hurt if they "settle the case" good comment!![/quote]

[quote]@adbrandt Judge Bye concludes that parties should negotiate [B]as a ruling will be something neither side will like.[/B] Hope it spurs more directed talks.[/quote]

Interesting final comment by Judge Bye.

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I think the final comment sums up why both sides have started settlement talks. The writing is on the wall, get a deal done now.

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[quote=Mattyk;805622]I liked what Robert Kraft said in regard to lawyers being [B]deal breakers rather than deal makers[/B]. Sums up my feelings too and I wouldn't tune in if the hearing today was televised.[/quote]

I dunno. I know that is a perception but the best lawyers I have worked with are tough litagators who "know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em". Not all attorneys negotiate through the media and speak in hyperbole - only the bad ones. A good attorney knows how accurately assesses the cost/benefits so that a reasonable client can intelligently decide the best course to pursue.

As to the Court hearing, I would have loved to have seen it. Appellant arguments are the two minute drills of law. If your written brief hasn't persuaded the court, it's hard to win your case based on the oral arguments, but it's easy to lose it. Given the caliber of judges (generally) on the Federal bench, the type of questions being thrown out and the time constraints, you really need to be intellectually athletic to respond concisely, articulately and knowledeably - particularly when each side has some good law to back them up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;805521]Well the NFLPA offered settlement as an option in the past, and the owners rejected. Though I believe this a different sort of settlement[/quote]

I thought the mediator requested both sides to make an offer prior to the 6th? The owners offered one in the last meeting and now the players have sent their offer.

One could look at it as if the players might have a feeling they might lose the fight due to their possibly illegal decertification. Which would lead them to maybe want to get as much done as possible prior to them losing any leverage. :)

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[quote=JoeRedskin;805628]I dunno. I know that is a perception but the best lawyers I have worked with are tough litagators who "know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em". Not all attorneys negotiate through the media and speak in hyperbole - only the bad ones. A good attorney knows how accurately assesses the cost/benefits so that a reasonable client can intelligently decide the best course to pursue.

As to the Court hearing, I would have loved to have seen it. Appellant arguments are the two minute drills of law. If your written brief hasn't persuaded the court, it's hard to win your case based on the oral arguments, but it's easy to lose it. Given the caliber of judges (generally) on the Federal bench, the type of questions being thrown out and the time constraints, you really need to be intellectually athletic to respond concisely, articulately and knowledeably - particularly when each side has some good law to back them up.[/quote]

Joe, what did you think of the NFL Lawyer bringing up the players enjoying the lockout in his last 5 minutes, especially with interested players in the audience. For me, it really came off as really bad form, bad to rile up the players as the last view the judges see, but maybe it didn't matter?

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Ha, six EASY payments of $53.99, plus $10 a month additional. :D

So what they're saying is that they're going to charge you the full season price even if only a half-season is played...just the billing will be "delayed".



I'll stick with streaming to my big screen for free. ;)

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I was wondering how DTV was going to handle this. I wasn't keen on the idea of being charged for the season while the season was still up in the air.

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[quote=mredskins;805659][IMG]http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.element/img/4.0/global/swapper/201106/110603.03.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Good marketing right there people. Smart move by Direct TV.

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[quote=Monkeydad;805663]Ha, six EASY payments of $53.99, plus $10 a month additional. :D

So what they're saying is that they're going to charge you the full season price even if only a half-season is played...just the billing will be "delayed".



I'll stick with streaming to my big screen for free. ;)[/quote]

What a crock. NHL Center Ice and MLB Extra Innings is around $200 COMBINED with Comcast. Thats over 3,500 games. Like 9 cents a game. And if I only watch the Caps lets say it gives me 50 games that I wouldn't get otherwise. Thats $4 a game. Or lets say I get 130 extra Orioles or Nats games then it goes down to $1.50 a game. And the craziest thing is I might be overestimating the $200 price tag as I suspect it's actually around $160 for both.

NFL Sunday Ticket around 176 games (256 minus 32 Prime Time, 48 Sunday Games a year, minus 8 NFL Network Thursday Night Games). $1.80 a game. Or if you follow the Redskins and thats the only team you watch then lets say you don't get them on TV when you're out of market for 12 games a year. So that works out to around $27 a game.

What a rip off. No wonder they have $9 billion to fight over. People are being price gouged like theres no tomorrow. Oh and let us not forget that blackout rules apply.

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If you watch games all day on Sundays like I do, and are out of the DC market, I think the ticket is well worth the price.

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[quote=Mattyk;805675]If you watch games all day on Sundays like I do, and are out of the DC market, I think the ticket is well worth the price.[/quote]



Comcast dropped NFL network on their basic package a few weeks ago .

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[quote=Giantone;805682]Comcast dropped NFL network on their basic package a few weeks ago .[/quote]

Sucks if you have Comcast I guess.

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[quote=Mattyk;805683]Sucks if you have Comcast I guess.[/quote]


If you have Comcast basic which the only person I know that has just basic is my 90 something year old grandmother.

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Who needs cable TV or satellite? You can watch anything you want from the net. :)

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You would think that Judge Kermit Bye knows what he is talking about regarding the NFL given that an entire week of the season is named just for him.

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[quote=NC_Skins;805685]Who needs cable TV or satellite? You can watch anything you want from the net. :)[/quote]

Quality or at least a picture that allows you to see whats going on without squinting your eyes. Sometimes you can get that with the streams but half the times it's the video equivalent of AM Radio.

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[quote=NC_Skins;805685]Who needs cable TV or satellite? You can watch anything you want from the net. :)[/quote]

In addition to what dirtbag said they're trying to make illegal streaming a felony...

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[quote=Mattyk;805683]Sucks if you have Comcast I guess.[/quote]Didn't say they dropped it altogether just the basic,still on the premium package.

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[quote=mredskins;805684]If you have Comcast basic which the only person I know that has just basic is my 90 something year old grandmother.[/quote]


She must be a very smart lady bet she's saving a fortune,nothing is worth all that BS anyway,not even the NFL.

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[quote=Giantone;805726]She must be a very smart lady bet she's saving a fortune,nothing is worth all that BS anyway,not even the NFL.[/quote]

I haven't had cable in 2 years. Haven't missed it one bit. I do just fine.

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[quote=Mattyk;805675]If you watch games all day on Sundays like I do, and are out of the DC market, I think the ticket is well worth the price.[/quote]
Me too. And it's easier to watch dual games by pausing one while watching another and then flipping back.

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We dropped DirecTV after the 2009 season because their offer of "every game" was not fulfilled. Redskins vs. Detroit was not shown (not a game a fan wanted to see with the Redskins losing). When we called to complain and find out why it was not being broadcast, we were told because the game was blacked out in Detroit because there was not a sellout. Because DirecTV had no way to isolate that market, they were forced to not show the game at all. Since we are out of the DC market the game was not shown at all.

In the same season the Giants vs. New Orleans game was also not shown but this time with no excuse as to why.

As soon as the season was over we cancelled DirecTV and signed up with Verizon who was able to provide both the DC and Baltimore markets to us (something DirecTV could unexplainably not do).

Be careful of what you are promised and what you get when it comes to their expensive package.

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That's odd, I've never had an issue with a game not being shown.

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Wasn't that the game FOX had trouble? If I recall a good portion of the 1st half was even blacked out on the home channel, then half way through the game it went out again for a short period.

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[quote=Mattyk;805744]That's odd, I've never had an issue with a game not being shown.[/quote]
Me either. I watched the Detroit - Skins game on DTV. The only thing I don't like is when they are being shown on the local channels instead of the 700 channels. Then, sometimes, the 4pm kickoff isn't shown because the 1pm game is running over. I think I've missed a few dozen plays in the past 13 years because of that.

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[quote=rypper11;805766]Me either. I watched the Detroit - Skins game on DTV. The only thing I don't like is when they are being shown on the local channels instead of the 700 channels. Then, sometimes, the 4pm kickoff isn't shown because the 1pm game is running over. I think I've missed a few dozen plays in the past 13 years because of that.[/quote]
Everyone hates that. The NFL and the networks need to change that somehow, some way.

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Pretty neet arguements.... you can hear the Oral Arguements.

[url=http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/]U.S. Court Court of Appeals - Welcome[/url]

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Don't hold your breath but...
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110611_report_deal_could_be_in_place_in_two_weeks]Report: Deal could be in place in two weeks - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

[QUOTE=Lotus;806802]Don't hold your breath but...
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110611_report_deal_could_be_in_place_in_two_weeks]Report: Deal could be in place in two weeks - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/QUOTE]

I'm cautiously optimistic.

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I really hope we can begin to see light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully if a deal gets done, teams can start the July training camps on time.

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Owners-told-to-prepare-for-long-meeting-next-week.html]Owners told to prepare for long meeting next week | National Football Post[/url]

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Looks like they're not waiting for next week

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6660319]NFL lockout: League, players meeting once again, sources say - ESPN[/url]

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OMG if this happens I will soil my pants. Already getting some movement thinking about it!!!