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[quote=saden1;807252]If I use "bang for the buck, players, fan relations, affordability, stadium experience, ownership, title track, and coaching" to measure the Redskins I would be hard pressed not to place them at the bottom of the pile.

Don't fool yourselves die-hard Skins fans...they stink in pretty much all those areas.[/quote]

I think your fooling yourself. I'll agree with you on coaching and over spending on players, but I'd bet the Skins probably still have a list of people who want season tickets and a lot of the regular season ticket holders continue to buy their seats. But you can't argue that even though you think they are horribly run they are one of the teams to bring in the most money in the NFL.

To me if the team is doing well financially and still can fill their seats even with the piss poor management and piss poor coaching then they should clearly close to the top of the list.

Worse teams.....

Jaguars- not filling their stadium, losing money, wanting to move all screams bad franchise.

Bills- losing money, wanting to play in Canada of all places screams of a worse franchise then the Skins.

Raiders- moving every 5-10 yrs, firing HC's every other year, players leaving, stadium not filled screams of bad franchise.

There probably is other NFL teams I could list before even getting to other sports so whoever came up with the list is an idiot.

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[quote=SBXVII;807336]I think your fooling yourself. I'll agree with you on coaching and over spending on players, but I'd bet the Skins probably still have a list of people who want season tickets and a lot of the regular season ticket holders continue to buy their seats. But you can't argue that even though you think they are horribly run they are one of the teams to bring in the most money in the NFL.

To me if the team is doing well financially and still can fill their seats even with the piss poor management and piss poor coaching then they should clearly close to the top of the list.

Worse teams.....

Jaguars- not filling their stadium, losing money, wanting to move all screams bad franchise.

Bills- losing money, wanting to play in Canada of all places screams of a worse franchise then the Skins.

Raiders- moving every 5-10 yrs, firing HC's every other year, players leaving, stadium not filled screams of bad franchise.

There probably is other NFL teams I could list before even getting to other sports so whoever came up with the list is an idiot.[/quote]


You confuse "financially successful franchise" with "good franchise". This poll looked at "good" and "bad" from a fan perspective and not from a CPA's perspective.

In addition, if you look at the Redskins, they NEVER fill FedEx Field and NEVER have; they do NOT have a waiting list for season tix; they have had 7 different head coaches in the 11 years that Danny Boy has owned the team.

With regard to Buffalo and your assertion of its lack of success, can you ever recall a home game in Buffalo where the Steelers' fans outnumbered the Bills' fans? Even in December when the Bills were mathematically eliminated? Happened here... on MNF no less.

Players leave the Raiders because Al Davis no longer recognizes who he needs to pay to stay there. Players do not leave the Redskins because they are already overpaid here and they know they will take pay cuts to go elsewhere.

The Redskins should NOT be the 121st team on this list; they are better than that. But pretending that this is and has been a well-run franchise from a football perspective or from a fan perspective for the last 15 years is living in a delusion.

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Interesting that we're comparing the Redskins to the dregs of the AFC, the stronger football conference, with all the dynasty teams (Colts, Patriots, Chargers, Ravens, Steelers) that are shaping the perception of the have-nots in the AFC. Whereas in the NFC, a different team has represented the conference in the super bowl every year between 2001 and 2010. And with their resources, I think a super bowl appearance was a bare minimum expectation. And while I feel the Redskins were very close in 2005, the NFC "have nots" include the Cowboys, Vikings, Lions, 49ers, Falcons, and Redskins, the only six remaining teams who didn't win the conference at some point in the last ten years. And the Lions and Falcons appear set for the next decade.

Excluding the Cowboys as a classic underachiever who does actually compete a lot (not totally unlike the Redskins), it will be interesting to see whether the Vikings, 49ers, or Redskins drag themseleves up to prominence first. I think the expectation is that the Redskins will be the last of these three teams to make a super bowl in the next decade. If that's right, then it's because despite all the resources, the Skins are one of the worst organizations in sports. If it's wrong, well, there's not a whole lot preventing the Redskins from making the super bowl in 2012, 2013, or 2014. Except themselves.

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^ out of all the teams mentioned I think the Lions and Falcons are best guesses for success. I think the Skins are close since they had beaten the play off teams in regular season but the Vikes are on the decline or so I think, the 49ers are lost and are starting with a new HC, I feel the Cowboys are on the decline also but I could be wrong on that aspect.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;807337]
The Redskins should NOT be the 121st team on this list; they are better than that. But pretending that this is and has been a well-run franchise from a football perspective or from a fan perspective for the last 15 years is living in a delusion.[/quote]

I don't normally agree with sportscurmudgeon, but when I do...it's now #themostinterestingmodintheworld

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I would say it has been about 18 years of pain.

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The Skins deserve a crap rating. The majority of the decisions made have been bad, money has been blown on overrated players, piss poor coaches etc....

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Some of the fan surveys I know were taken during the 2009 season, so....hopefully that's as low as we'll be for a long, long time

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I have been a diehard skins fan since I was 6 years old. I'm 24 now and I'm still waiting for a consistent team to come back. So yeah we are in the bottom in the NFL it's just a fact

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The Redskins did not have a comment. Surprising?

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When I hear or read about such rankings I often wonder if the organization doing the ranking would fair well under the same scrutiny. How does ESPN rank against their competitors in providing value to Redskins fans in their coverage ...

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Seeing the ratings broken down bugs the crud out of me even more...

118th in players acting professionally? Talk about a few bad apples spoiling the whole bunch. 118th in owners and players showing appreciation towards fans? I don't think we're the highest on that list, but being towards the bottom still urks me.

119th in player accessibility? There's an entire community of Redskins players on Twitter who respond to and appreciate their fans, not to mention the Redskins players regularly do charity work either on there own or on behalf of the team.

118th in Players, ranked 120th in likeability and 117 in effort?

I'm not saying my football team hasn't sucked the past two seasons, but this whole list is bull.

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Like I said, much of this survey (and just a reminder much of this is 3rd party reporting-not exclusive to ESPN) was done during the 2009 season. You can't deny there were major issues then.

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^ 2009 was a great year. Everyone was happy. No one here complained about anything.

Re: ESPN the Magazine ranks the best & worst franchises in america. Redskins ranked 121 out of 122.
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;807337]You confuse "financially successful franchise" with "good franchise". This poll looked at "good" and "bad" from a fan perspective and not from a CPA's perspective.

In addition, if you look at the Redskins, they NEVER fill FedEx Field and NEVER have; they do NOT have a waiting list for season tix; they have had 7 different head coaches in the 11 years that Danny Boy has owned the team.

With regard to Buffalo and your assertion of its lack of success, can you ever recall a home game in Buffalo where the Steelers' fans outnumbered the Bills' fans? Even in December when the Bills were mathematically eliminated? Happened here... on MNF no less.

Players leave the Raiders because Al Davis no longer recognizes who he needs to pay to stay there. Players do not leave the Redskins because they are already overpaid here and they know they will take pay cuts to go elsewhere.

The Redskins should NOT be the 121st team on this list; they are better than that. But pretending that this is and has been a well-run franchise from a football perspective or from a fan perspective for the last 15 years is living in a delusion.[/quote]

Good post. All the people who are up in arms about this, smashing ESPN, blah blah blah are just upsetting themselves.

I mean who really cares if we're 121st or 81st? The past 15+ years has overall been just miserable for the Skins in many different facets. Downright embarrassing really. There's no denying that. So what do all you people want? You really want to get worked up because some people think we suck a little bit more than we actually do? At the end of the day we still suck. Getting upset over this list is a waste of time.

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It's amazing that the only years we've been recentely competitve was during Gibb's second tenure. That proves we need someone similar to GIBBS. I don't think Shannahan is it. Shannahan's ego has unfortunately gotten the best of him IMO.

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Let's not forget that Gibbs was 6-10 in his first year back. Gotta give Shanahan some time, he'll get this turned around.

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Well, let's grade the Redskins according to the criteria used over the last 20 years:

[LIST=1][*]Bang for the Buck - F (if you can tell me why they deserve a better grade than an F I am all ears)[*]Players - C (yeah, we don't draft very well and we're not good at signing free agents)[*]Fan Relations - F (It isn't a love hate relationship, it's a hate relationship considering all the shady shit they have pulled on fans)[*]Affordability - F (Snyder doesn't make money based on volume)[*]Stadium Experience - D (go to some of the other Stadiums in the NFL and you shall know how truly shitty FedEx is)[*]Ownership - F (utter failure across the board and from every angle). [*]Title Track - D (8-8 spells average chances)[*]Coaching - D (can't judge Shanahan yet based on a horrible first season but lets face it, if it wasn't for Gibbs the grade would be an F)[/LIST]
If you are keeping score that's 5 total points out of 32 possible points which translate to a solid F as an overall grade. Are we the second worse in all of sports? I don't think so...are we at the bottom of the list...you betcha!

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[quote=saden1;807520]well, let's grade the redskins according to the criteria used over the last 20 years:

[list=1][*]bang for the buck - f (if you can tell me why they deserve a better grade than an f i am all ears)[*]players - c (yeah, we don't draft very well and we're not good at signing free agents)[*]fan relations - f (it isn't a love hate relationship, it's a hate relationship considering all the shady shit they have pulled on fans)[*]affordability - f (snyder doesn't make money based on volume)[*]stadium experience - d (go to some of the other stadiums in the nfl and you shall know how truly shitty fedex is)[*]ownership - f (utter failure across the board and from every angle).[*]title track - d (8-8 spells average chances)[*]coaching - d (can't judge shanahan yet based on a horrible first season but lets face it, if it wasn't for gibbs the grade would be an f)[/list]
if you are keeping score that's 5 total points out of 32 possible points which translate to a solid f as an overall grade. Are we the second worse in all of sports? I don't think so...are we at the bottom of the list...you betcha![/quote]



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[quote=SmootSmack;807350]Some of the fan surveys I know were taken during the 2009 season, so....hopefully that's as low as we'll be for a long, long time[/quote]

:food-smil I've got no argument about where we were ranked and I'm not the biggest fan of Shannahan...but we've made some moves in the right direction.

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[quote=saden1;807520]Well, let's grade the Redskins according to the criteria used over the last 20 years:

[LIST=1][*]Bang for the Buck - F (if you can tell me why they deserve a better grade than an F I am all ears)[*]Players - C (yeah, we don't draft very well and we're not good at signing free agents)[*]Fan Relations - F (It isn't a love hate relationship, it's a hate relationship considering all the shady shit they have pulled on fans)[*]Affordability - F (Snyder doesn't make money based on volume)[*]Stadium Experience - D (go to some of the other Stadiums in the NFL and you shall know how truly shitty FedEx is)[*]Ownership - F (utter failure across the board and from every angle).[*]Title Track - D (8-8 spells average chances)[*]Coaching - D (can't judge Shanahan yet based on a horrible first season but lets face it, if it wasn't for Gibbs the grade would be an F)[/LIST]
If you are keeping score that's 5 total points out of 32 possible points which translate to a solid F as an overall grade. Are we the second worse in all of sports? I don't think so...are we at the bottom of the list...you betcha![/quote]

Pretty much. How people got so worked up over this is funny to me. "But.. but... we won 3 Super Bowls...." We sure did. Decades ago. Next to the Detroit Lions (who are arguably better and definitely younger/more talented than the Skins currently), we've been pretty much the league punch-line in several categories over the past 15 or so years.

Rich heritage, great tradition, great fan base... sure. You know who else has that? The Oakland Raiders. In recent years everyone has ragged on them as a joke.... And hell, they even played in a Super Bowl in the 2000's.

A large percentage of the smack that's thrown our way is deserved, and until we prove otherwise in the win-loss column, we're always going to be at or near the bottom of these lists. We're a highly profitable team, so for that Danny deserves credit (despite selling expired airline peanuts), but as far on the field product, we've been hot garbage for a while.

All this doesn't mean I don't love my Skins. I do. I just don't preemptively disappoint myself with delusional expectations of how we'll perform or how we'll be received. We are currently a joke and will remain so until we achieve something above mediocrity on the field. Deservedly so.

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That's a horrible list.
The Skins make moves at least. I see franchises that let the squad rot that's bullcrap.
Playoffs in 05, Gibbs left, another transition, we signed Shanahan.. solid drafts for what he had to work with too.. what a joke.
The teams been better than what they've played on a consistent basis too.. they've shown glimpses of greatness and went on streaks numerous time but we crumble. Well be more competive then they think we still have some talent.

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[quote=GMScud;807528]Pretty much. How people got so worked up over this is funny to me. "But.. but... we won 3 Super Bowls...." We sure did. Decades ago. Next to the Detroit Lions (who are arguably better and definitely younger/more talented than the Skins currently), we've been pretty much the league punch-line in several categories over the past 15 or so years.

Rich heritage, great tradition, great fan base... sure. You know who else has that? The Oakland Raiders. In recent years everyone has ragged on them as a joke.... And hell, they even played in a Super Bowl in the 2000's.

A large percentage of the smack that's thrown our way is deserved, and until we prove otherwise in the win-loss column, we're always going to be at or near the bottom of these lists. We're a highly profitable team, so for that Danny deserves credit (despite selling expired airline peanuts), but as far on the field product, we've been hot garbage for a while.

All this doesn't mean I don't love my Skins. I do. I just don't preemptively disappoint myself with delusional expectations of how we'll perform or how we'll be received. We are currently a joke and will remain so until we achieve something above mediocrity on the field. Deservedly so.[/quote]



Not sure but isn't Dan suing someone for pointing out the same things.

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[quote=Giantone;807537]Not sure but isn't Dan suing someone for pointing out the same things.[/quote]

Yeah, not quite. But the fact many believe that is another sign of the failures if this franchise

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[quote=Skins4L;807530]That's a horrible list.
The Skins make moves at least. I see franchises that let the squad rot that's bullcrap.
Playoffs in 05, Gibbs left, another transition, we signed Shanahan.. solid drafts for what he had to work with too.. what a joke.
The teams been better than what they've played on a consistent basis too.. they've shown glimpses of greatness and went on streaks numerous time but we crumble. Well be more competive then they think we still have some talent.[/quote]

Over the last 10 years those "glimpses of greatness" were fleeting indeed.

When a team aspires to get to 8-8 more seasons than not, "greatness" is rarely involved...

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[quote=Ruhskins;807123]I hear that NC_Skins contributed a lot to this piece, hence the low rankings. LOL. (I kid, I kid).

I still don't get how the Orioles and Nats are ranked higher than the Skins.[/quote]

Hey, let's leave the Orioles out of this

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[quote=saden1;807520]Well, let's grade the Redskins according to the criteria used over the last 20 years:

[LIST=1][*]Bang for the Buck - F (if you can tell me why they deserve a better grade than an F I am all ears)[*]Players - C (yeah, we don't draft very well and we're not good at signing free agents)[*]Fan Relations - F (It isn't a love hate relationship, it's a hate relationship considering all the shady shit they have pulled on fans)[*]Affordability - F (Snyder doesn't make money based on volume)[*]Stadium Experience - D (go to some of the other Stadiums in the NFL and you shall know how truly shitty FedEx is)[*]Ownership - F (utter failure across the board and from every angle). [*]Title Track - D (8-8 spells average chances)[*]Coaching - D (can't judge Shanahan yet based on a horrible first season but lets face it, [B]if it wasn't for Gibbs the grade would be an F)[/B][/LIST]
If you are keeping score that's 5 total points out of 32 possible points which translate to a solid F as an overall grade. Are we the second worse in all of sports? I don't think so...are we at the bottom of the list...you betcha![/quote]

What did Gibbs do in his 2nd tenure that was so great?

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[quote=WaldSkins;807566]What did Gibbs do in his 2nd tenure that was so great?[/quote]

playoffs twice and 1 win. Better than any other coach

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[quote=GMScud;807528]Pretty much. How people got so worked up over this is funny to me. "But.. but... we won 3 Super Bowls...." We sure did. Decades ago. Next to the Detroit Lions (who are arguably better and definitely younger/more talented than the Skins currently), we've been pretty much the league punch-line in several categories over the past 15 or so years.

Rich heritage, great tradition, great fan base... sure. You know who else has that? The Oakland Raiders. In recent years everyone has ragged on them as a joke.... And hell, they even played in a Super Bowl in the 2000's.

A large percentage of the smack that's thrown our way is deserved, and until we prove otherwise in the win-loss column, we're always going to be at or near the bottom of these lists. We're a highly profitable team, so for that Danny deserves credit (despite selling expired airline peanuts), but as far on the field product, we've been hot garbage for a while.

[B]All this doesn't mean I don't love my Skins. I do. I just don't preemptively disappoint myself with delusional expectations of how we'll perform or how we'll be received. We are currently a joke and will remain so until we achieve something above mediocrity on the field. Deservedly so[/B].[/quote]

so unfortunately true, i just hope it's not much longer.

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One of the worst franchises but yet the 2nd most valuable at 1.55 billion dollars......ummmmmm. I would not call myself a Danny fan but that is pretty impressive.

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I think the Skins are embarrassing since we are such a historic franchise but have made some pathetic moves recently.

It's like Cubs or, dare I say, the Raiders. I don't think we are at a complete laughing stock level, but will be if we continue down the same path as the last decade and a half.

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[quote=tc2deuce;807604]One of the worst franchises but yet the 2nd most valuable at 1.55 billion dollars......ummmmmm. I would not call myself a Danny fan but that is pretty impressive.[/quote]

And that's one of the problems. So valuable monetarily, yet so unsuccessful on the field relative to our worth

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All we have to do is go 10-6 or something like that and the city is gonna splode again in the B&G. The team just needs to give the fans something to cheer about.

Even after all our belly achin (mostly justified), if this teams starts 3-1 or something like that, we are all gone be talking positive and about the future .....hopefully leaving the last 13 years in the rear view.

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[quote=over the mountain;807614]All we have to do is go 10-6 or something like that and the city is gonna splode again in the B&G. The team just needs to give the fans something to cheer about.

Even after all our belly achin (mostly justified), [B]if this teams starts 3-1 or something like that, we are all gone be talking positive[/B] and about the future .....hopefully leaving the last 13 years in the rear view.[/quote]

After the disappointment which followed Zorn's 6-2 start in year 1, it will take me more than 3-1 to turn it around and believe.

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Options are like you know what. Everybody has one. The fact of the matter is Redskins is one of the richest franchises in America and people hate on us because of that. Yes Dan has made some poor decisions, however I feel he has put the right people in place for the moment to make this franchise "respectable". Who needs respect when you have won as much as we have and I feel will go on to do in the future.

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[quote=SmootSmack;807613]And that's one of the problems. So valuable monetarily, yet so unsuccessful on the field relative to our worth[/quote]

Most of that value is in the real estate when the Skins were sold by the Cooks,the stadium and area plus the practice facilities.

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[quote=Lotus;807619]After the disappointment which followed Zorn's 6-2 start in year 1, it will take me more than 3-1 to turn it around and believe.[/quote]

Not to mention last year at 4-3 w/the lions on schedule this team looked at least headed to enter the late part of season w/playoff possibilities.

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In two of the last three seasons, this team has been off to a "good" start, plagued by the same issues (mainly offense). I'd like to see a team that no longer has these issues, mainly on offense...however I think it is going to take a while for this to happen.

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[quote=bigdaddy2348;807620]Options are like you know what. Everybody has one. The fact of the matter is Redskins is one of the richest franchises in America and people hate on us because of that. Yes Dan has made some poor decisions, however I feel he has put the right people in place for the moment to make this franchise "respectable". Who needs respect when you have won as much as we have and I feel will go on to do in the future.[/quote]

Do you really think the New England Patriots fans "hate on us" because the Redskins' franchise has a higher dollar value than does the Pats' franchise?

Would you really trade three Super Bowl championships in a decade for a lower franchise value on the Redskins? I doubt any Patriots' fans or Steelers' fans or Packers' fans would make that trade.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;807667]Do you really think the New England Patriots fans "hate on us" because the Redskins' franchise has a higher dollar value than does the Pats' franchise?

Would you really trade three Super Bowl championships in a decade for a lower franchise value on the Redskins? I doubt any Patriots' fans or Steelers' fans or Packers' fans would make that trade.[/quote]

Seriously. I don't think many people are jealous of our franchises value. The only people that might be jealous are small market teams looking at how much the Skins can spend on signing bonus's and coaches, but when they look at our record and how much fans have to pay to attend games any sense of jealously probably goes away.

The only time I've enjoyed the net value thing is when my friends thought I was crazy for saying that the Redskins were among the 5 most valuable sport franchises world wide, and way even be in the top 2, to which they replied that there was NO WAY the Skins were more valuable then teams like Real, Barca, Chelsea, Bayren, Arsenel. As well as teams like the Yankees, Lakers, Red Sox, Patriots, etc.

It was pretty shocking to considering that teams like Real Madrid had paid 100 million Euros just to acquire the rights to a player. Never mind paying them to play, just the right to sign them to a contract.

A hollow victory if there ever was one.