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Amazing how many people are openly predjudice against gays in this day and age. Search Twitter using the F word that rhymes with lag (the one that cost Kobe and Jakim a pretty penny) and you'll see a slew of hateful comments that will disgust you whilst exposing you to some of the worst humanity has to offer.

New York liberals also turns up some pretty hateful results.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;808382]Well howdy again guys! I'm back! Haha. At least for a lil but. The whole lockout thing has given me a case of the sads and thus I haven't been around. But I'm gonna try to come around more often cuz... I miss you guys!

I whole heartedly support gay marriage (surprise surprise) but I do feel it should be handled on a state level rather than a federal level. Of course there will be states that will completely vote against it (Think Bible belt) but I think more "progressive states" i.e. NY, MA, VT, maybe Cali someday, would have a good chance of allowing gay marriage. I just feel like the federal government have other things they should be handling.[/quote]

Welcome back.

FYI, federal Defense of Marrige Act legislation and enforcement of it is part of the problem.

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[quote=SmootSmack;808385]Dynamite Rave! Yay!!!!! Welcome back![/quote]

All that for a Pro Bowler? Pfffft. Lets see her become an MVP. No my awesome status is not getting to my head.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;808394]Amazing how many people are openly predjudice against gays in this day and age. Search Twitter using the F word that rhymes with lag (the one that cost Kobe and Jakim a pretty penny) and you'll see a slew of hateful comments that will disgust you whilst exposing you to some of the worst humanity has to offer.

New York liberals also turns up some pretty hateful results.[/quote]

Scary how much ignorance, intolerance, and hate is out there.

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[quote=Mattyk;808399]Scary how much ignorance, intolerance, and hate is out there.[/quote]

Retarded post.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Im with d-rave in that i think it should be left up to the states, the federal govt has more imortant things to worry about. Im also with smootsmack in that i also dont really care for the most part. But I will say i think to some degree that its a civil rights issue and i have never once heard a good argument to not allowing gays to marry. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]One thing that AMAZES me is when conservatives are against gay marriage or civil unions...... how can you want the government out of our lives (on either the federal or state level) but want legislation on gay people marring??? I just dont get it. Also i got no problem with the word fag. So many more meanings then a nasty word for a gay person. I havent heard someone viciously call a gay person a fag in years, if ever. When words are narrowly defined they can become much more hateful in my opinion. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;808382]Well howdy again guys! I'm back! Haha. At least for a lil but. The whole lockout thing has given me a case of the sads and thus I haven't been around. But I'm gonna try to come around more often cuz... I miss you guys!

I whole heartedly support gay marriage (surprise surprise) but I do feel it should be handled on a state level rather than a federal level. Of course there will be states that will completely vote against it (Think Bible belt) but I think more "progressive states" i.e. NY, MA, VT, maybe Cali someday, would have a good chance of allowing gay marriage. I just feel like the federal government have other things they should be handling.[/quote]

First of all, we miss yo ass!!

The interesting thing about the N.Y. vote to legalize gay marriage is that it was passed with a Republican majority. That's a huge, huge shift in sentiment and it gives other states some political cover that have Republican majorities in the state senate and assembly.

The only point I'm making is gay couples around the country can take heart that Republicans are coming out of the closet, so to speak, on this issue and don't want to be seen as out of step with the rest of the country.

(Hey, were you anywhere near that parade madness this weekend?) Crazy!

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I was out in New York City yesterday and there were a lot of proud people in the streets yesterday, but I must say I felt pretty odd being one of the few people holding the hand of someone of the opposite sex.

Seriously though, good for those that now finally can legally marry, like Doogie Howser. But it doesn't make my heterosexual marriage any less special. I treated my wife to a fancy dinner on Saturday. It was a wonderful evening out. Crazy expensive though. But it's fine, I wanted to treat her to something nice...and at no point did I think man my marriage just seems to fake now that they're letting gays marry.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;808394]Amazing how many people are openly predjudice against gays in this day and age. Search Twitter using the F word that rhymes with lag (the one that cost Kobe and Jakim a pretty penny) and you'll see a slew of hateful comments that will disgust you whilst exposing you to some of the worst humanity has to offer.

New York liberals also turns up some pretty hateful results.[/quote]

Dirtbag, care to explain all of the exclamation points and apparent excitement over it in your title?

Are you?

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[quote=Monkeydad;808566]Dirtbag, care to explain all of the exclamation points and apparent excitement over it in your title?

Are you?

[IMG]http://www.deviantart.com/download/123758886/Awesome_Gay_Smiley_____by_NeroTheViper.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

What title are you referring to?

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Uhh, thread title.

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[quote=Monkeydad;808581]Uhh, thread title.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/hz9ke.gif[/img][/quote]

So why are you asking Dirtbag?

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I will say I support same sex simply becasue it really doesn't affect me in anyway or my marriage. So why be against something that has no bearing to me but may bring happiness to someone else? Would seem foolish to be like that.

Any who with that said it still creeps me out to see two guys kiss but hey whatever floats your boat.

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So was anyone here there at the parade.

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It doesn't look like anyone here is opposed to gay marriage. So I'll throw out some arguments against it (I've seen them in other message boards) and see what we can do with them.

1. Listening to Sean Hannity today, he says the real issue comes up when those gay couples decide they want to adopt -- what happens when children are brought into the mix?

2. Just check out some of the posts here at [URL="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2739679/posts"]Free Republic[/URL]. Just as an example ... "They just spit on Christ"

The real problem are those that look at the issue from a purely spiritual perspective; those that actually, truly believe that God will strike the United States just as he struck Sodom and Gamorrah. You obviously can't reason with people like that -- just like you can't reason with people who fly planes into buildings because their magical sky-god tells them to.

If this gets to the Supreme Court, and it comes to a 5-4 decision in favor of gay marriage, I'm thinking the outrage will be like nothing we've ever seen in this country.

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[quote=Beemnseven;808658]It doesn't look like anyone here is opposed to gay marriage. So I'll throw out some arguments against it (I've seen them in other message boards) and see what we can do with them.

[B]1. Listening to Sean Hannity today, he says the real issue comes up when those gay couples decide they want to adopt -- what happens when children are brought into the mix?
[/B]
2. Just check out some of the posts here at [URL="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2739679/posts"]Free Republic[/URL]. Just as an example ... "They just spit on Christ"

The real problem are those that look at the issue from a purely spiritual perspective; those that actually, truly believe that God will strike the United States just as he struck Sodom and Gamorrah. You obviously can't reason with people like that -- just like you can't reason with people who fly planes into buildings because their magical sky-god tells them to.

If this gets to the Supreme Court, and it comes to a 5-4 decision in favor of gay marriage, I'm thinking the outrage will be like nothing we've ever seen in this country.[/quote]

Yeah, because leaving kids in a crowded foster homes instead of a life of luxury that many gay couples seem to afford is just TERRIBLE. Better off in a foster home.

[quote]Well, MY question is why don't those families adopt children in foster care who need families NOW - there are over 500,000 children in foster care at the moment, many of them are waiting for adoption:
[/quote]

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[quote=firstdown;808596]So was anyone here there at the parade.[/quote]

I have four employees who are openly gay, and they went to the pride celebrations in DC a few weeks back. It's a great showing of solidarity for the gay community, and they had a wonderful time and garner from it a strong sense of identity. I think it's great. I can't imagine how difficult it is as a young adult in high school struggling with your own sexuality while dealing with all the other life challenges high school brings.

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Beemnseven, you raise a few very good points. From Hannity of all people!

Starting from the bottom of your post and working upwards, I don't think the Supreme Court will, or should, touch this issue with a ten foot pole. I believe it would become so politicized and fracture our society in ways unimaginable. To be clear, I'm not suggesting in any way that the issue in of itself would cause such a division, because people will believe what they believe no matter what. But for the highest court in the land to make such a decree, and essentially rubber stamp what's deemed to be moral, religiously and constitutionally acceptable would have profound consequences that would set a dangerous precedent far beyond the institution of marriage.

It should be left for the states to decide, as it's currently being handled. I must add that I'm glad the President has handled himself as the leader of the country and not following the polls on the issue or as a left wing ideologue.

In terms of should kids being raised in by gay parents? I don't think there's any empirical evidence that suggests one way or another. One thing is for sure, the modern day family structure is vastly different from the model of June and Ward Cleaver. I think kids are just, if not moreso, as influenced by what they see and read online than the comings and goings of mom and dad.

"Spitting on Christ"...don't get me started on that one.

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Sorry, I don't think this is all that big an issue for the s.c. Sure, there would politics, etc. But these same factors went into Roe v. Wade. Unlike abortion, this is an issue that has been in the public forum for close to a decade.

Further, the SC could simply ratify the "It's a State isssue" standard and do so in a manner that essentially washes their hands of the issue.

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[quote=GMScud;808661][B]I have four employees who are openly gay,[/B] and they went to the pride celebrations in DC a few weeks back. It's a great showing of solidarity for the gay community, and they had a wonderful time and garner from it a strong sense of identity. I think it's great. I can't imagine how difficult it is as a young adult in high school struggling with your own sexuality while dealing with all the other life challenges high school brings.[/quote]

And you haven't fired them? Happy employees are lazy employees Scud.

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This can not be a state issue as there are interstate matters to consider. Let's also not forget the equal protection is a constructional issue. A same sex married couple should be able to move freely to other states much like married couple of opposite sex.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;808670]Sorry, I don't think this is all that big an issue for the s.c. Sure, there would politics, etc. But these same factors went into Roe v. Wade. Unlike abortion, this is an issue that has been in the public forum for close to a decade.

Further, the SC could simply ratify the "It's a State isssue" standard and do so in a manner that essentially washes their hands of the issue.[/quote]

Well until the federal gov recognizes gay marraige they have not really accieved anything. I could see this becoming an issue in the next election. So in 30 days they can start to marry and in a few years after that we can watch them start to divorce and hate each other. How many of these relationships have stayed together because they had the common cause to fight for this right? They now get the right and one night look over at their partner and wonder WTF have I done.

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[quote=GMScud;808661]I have four employees who are openly gay, and they went to the pride celebrations in DC a few weeks back. It's a great showing of solidarity for the gay community, and they had a wonderful time and garner from it a strong sense of identity. I think it's great. I can't imagine how difficult it is as a young adult in high school struggling with your own sexuality while dealing with all the other life challenges high school brings.[/quote]

As long as you grant the straight employees time off to go to a swimsuit competition or a monster truck rally, I have no issues. :D


Also, since I don't smoke, can I have a break every hour to do something unproductive as well? Maybe I'll go putt some golf balls down the hallway. Recreational rights, right?


I do have a point to this nonsensical post...there's a fine line between "Equal Rights" and "Special Rights". This issue always brings up the question, what are the gays really after? Sometimes, it does seem like they want "Special Rights" above and beyond what heterosexuals are granted or entitled to.

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[quote=Monkeydad;808711]As long as you grant the straight employees time off to go to a swimsuit competition or a monster truck rally, I have no issues. :D


Also, since I don't smoke, can I have a break every hour to do something unproductive as well? Maybe I'll go putt some golf balls down the hallway. Recreational rights, right?


I do have a point to this nonsensical post...there's a fine line between "Equal Rights" and "Special Rights". This issue always brings up the question, what are the gays really after? Sometimes, it does seem like they want "Special Rights" above and beyond what heterosexuals are granted or entitled to.[/quote]

Who said GMScud gave them special rights? He works in restaurant it was probably their day off. IF they are waiters they probably lost money by going to the parade since they missed a shift.

Your post makes you sound like you have a case of "sour grapes".

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[quote=Monkeydad]I do have a point to this nonsensical post...there's a fine line between "Equal Rights" and "Special Rights". This issue always brings up the question, what are the gays really after? Sometimes, it does seem like they want "Special Rights" above and beyond what heterosexuals are granted or entitled to.[/quote]

I am trying to make sense of your sensical post. I want to know what these "Special Rights" are. Are they taking the day off and getting paid for it without taking some vacation time-off? Maybe it's their short notice on taking time off? What special rights are they getting that isn't afforded to you?

Enlighten us Mr. Buster.

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We ant going to have none of that going on around here.

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Speaking of gay rights.

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[quote=saden1;808726]I am trying to make sense of your sensical post. I want to know what these "Special Rights" are. Are they taking the day off and getting paid for it without taking some vacation time-off? Maybe it's their short notice on taking time off? What special rights are they getting that isn't afforded to you?

Enlighten us Mr. Buster.[/quote]
Don't expect a answer once Buster is cornered he becomes very quiet.

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[quote=SmootSmack;808585]So why are you asking Dirtbag?[/quote]


See like this post. Buster got the OP mixed up with Dirtbag but he could never admit that too SS.

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[quote=saden1;808726]I am trying to make sense of your sensical post. I want to know what these "Special Rights" are. Are they taking the day off and getting paid for it without taking some vacation time-off? Maybe it's their short notice on taking time off? What special rights are they getting that isn't afforded to you?

Enlighten us Mr. Buster.[/quote]

Not to speak for the guy, but he raises one of the most common points conservatives/members of the far right bring up when opposing gay marriage:

* Please note, this is not my view, just the view that I've heard from republicans on the issue. *

They will say, that gay people are not denied any civil rights to marry. They can get married just like heterosexual people can. They just can't marry members of the same sex -- and neither can heterosexuals. In other words, nobody is being denied any civil rights. They'll say homosexuals are asking for [I]special[/I] rights.

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[quote=saden1;808675]This can not be a state issue as there are interstate matters to consider. Let's also not forget the equal protection is a constructional issue. A same sex married couple should be able to move freely to other states much like married couple of opposite sex.[/quote]

There isn't any chance that the current make-up of the Supreme Court is going to find a sufficient connection between interstate commerce and marriage to make this a federal issue that Congress has the authority to make law on. No chance. In fact, I wonder whether even Breyer or Kagan would buy that argument. (The fact that NY stands to attract additional tourism, as some news stories have suggested, won't be enough). Second, equal protection might be invoked, but the argument would fare only slightly better than the first. If you're being discriminated against under a state law, and you are not alleging discrimination based on race or religious affiliation, the deck is stacked against you. In the Sup. ct. decision that struck down the Texas law that banned homosexual sex, O'Connor wrote a concurring opinion that the Texas law violated the EP clause. She was the only justice who believed that. And with regard to the constitutional right to travel being violated by the denial of same-sex partners to marry, that's kinda weak.

I'd like to see the NY story played out all over the country, but marriage equality ain't going to be delivered by the Supremes.

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[quote=Beemnseven;808742]Not to speak for the guy, but he raises one of the most common points conservatives/members of the far right bring up when opposing gay marriage:

* Please note, this is not my view, just the view that I've heard from republicans on the issue. *

[B]They will say, that gay people are not denied any civil rights to marry. They can get married just like heterosexual people can. They just can't marry members of the same sex -- and neither can heterosexuals. In other words, nobody is being denied any civil rights. They'll say homosexuals are asking for [I]special[/I] rights.[/quote][/B]

I swear I have never heard that point of view. It makes sense.

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[quote=mredskins;808737]See like this post. Buster got the OP mixed up with Dirtbag but he could never admit that too SS.[/quote]

Smootsmack is to Dirtbag what Dave Semenko was to Wayne Gretzky. Hey look at all this extra room I have to skate.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;808780]Smootsmack is to Dirtbag what Dave Semenko was to Wayne Gretzky. Hey look at all this extra room I have to skate.[/quote]

Que??

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;808759]There isn't any chance that the current make-up of the Supreme Court is going to find a sufficient connection between interstate commerce and marriage to make this a federal issue that Congress has the authority to make law on. No chance. In fact, I wonder whether even Breyer or Kagan would buy that argument. (The fact that NY stands to attract additional tourism, as some news stories have suggested, won't be enough). Second, equal protection might be invoked, but the argument would fare only slightly better than the first. If you're being discriminated against under a state law, and you are not alleging discrimination based on race or religious affiliation, the deck is stacked against you. In the Sup. ct. decision that struck down the Texas law that banned homosexual sex, O'Connor wrote a concurring opinion that the Texas law violated the EP clause. She was the only justice who believed that. And with regard to the constitutional right to travel being violated by the denial of same-sex partners to marry, that's kinda weak.

I'd like to see the NY story played out all over the country, but marriage equality ain't going to be delivered by the Supremes.[/quote]

agreed.

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[url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2011-06-28-Gay-marriage-not-over-finish-line-yet_n.htm]Our view: Gay marriage not over finish line yet - USATODAY.com[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;808779][/B]

I swear I have never heard that point of view. It makes sense.[/quote]

Yeah, but I don't agree. Heterosexuals can marry the person they truly love, but homosexuals can't. Sorry, but that ain't right.

As to the 'special rights' argument, that doesn't work either, because if gay marriage is allowed, at that point both heterosexuals and homosexuals have the right to marry a person of the same sex. In other words, nobody has special rights under that scenario. Everybody has equal rights, which is all that homosexuals are asking for.

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[quote=SmootSmack;808782]Que??[/quote]

Senor Buster vino después de que mí y usted lo golpee. Buster anuncia imágenes inmensas. molesta a veces

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[quote=Dirtbag59;808793]Senor Buster vino después de que mí y usted lo golpee. Buster anuncia imágenes inmensas. molesta a veces[/quote]

Ok, ahora entiendo