Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

Obviously Kyle has learned somethings from is mistakes from last year that is important as a professional in any field. My biggest knock is trying to fit players into his scheme as opposed to developing the scheme for the players. Evolution is part of business if you stick with something and it doesn't work you need to try something new. IMO it took Kyle along time to recognize that something wasn't working. Hopefully he is a little quicker on the uptake this season. I don't buy the whole we will have another year playing this scheme argument. There are too many variables there with player chemistry, players switching teams and having to learn new systems or variations of systems etc.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

You know I am kind of tired of hearing about McNabbs shortcomings as a QB. If he was so bad, how did he produce 9 years of playoff births in 11 years, 6 probowls, 4 NFC championship games, 1 superbowl. And in my eyes a future hall of fame QB. McNabb was NOT the issue with the redskins last year. I am not saying he was picture perfect, but lets face the problems that have plagued this team for the last decade. The offensive line was horrible, provided no protection what so ever. THis goes back to Ramsey when he would get creamed every game. The RB situation was not as bad as people make it out to be. Torain was very productive at his position as was Williams, again the problem was the line didn't make much room for either. As the season went on (last 3 or 4 games) the line seemed to be doing a little better and Torain showed flashes of why I think he can be a very productive RB for this team. Poor draft choices, lack of choices, and overall bad personel moves over the last 10 years have made a huge hole of depth of quality Oline man on this team. To sit back and blame McNabb for all troubles are crazy. McNabb is a good QB, and will show what he can do in Minnesota. I dont care who has been here or who you could dream of having under center here, if the oline isn't' better then this team will struggle every damn year. That has been a common theme for many years.

Kyle seem a bit too head strong like his father. McNabb suggested some things that he thought would allow the team to disguise the weaknesses of the oline, but Kyle would have nothing of it. Like I said, McNabb could have played better, but he was on pace to put up one of the best statistical years of his career. For a guy with zero line, zero running game for much of the season, and basically one receiver, I would look at that as a positive. Lets face it, if the staff wouldn't have switched the D around, we may have won a number more games and we wouldn't be talking about this, we'd be talking about building on last year and going deeper in the playoffs.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

kyle's fine, give him time. I don't think we had great personnel out there, and still doesn't have a QB, but we'll see how this year goes.

bigger fish to fry.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;816732]You know I am kind of tired of hearing about McNabbs shortcomings as a QB. If he was so bad, how did he produce 9 years of playoff births in 11 years, 6 probowls, 4 NFC championship games, 1 superbowl. And in my eyes a future hall of fame QB. McNabb was NOT the issue with the redskins last year. I am not saying he was picture perfect, but lets face the problems that have plagued this team for the last decade. The offensive line was horrible, provided no protection what so ever. THis goes back to Ramsey when he would get creamed every game. The RB situation was not as bad as people make it out to be. Torain was very productive at his position as was Williams, again the problem was the line didn't make much room for either. As the season went on (last 3 or 4 games) the line seemed to be doing a little better and Torain showed flashes of why I think he can be a very productive RB for this team. Poor draft choices, lack of choices, and overall bad personel moves over the last 10 years have made a huge hole of depth of quality Oline man on this team. To sit back and blame McNabb for all troubles are crazy. McNabb is a good QB, and will show what he can do in Minnesota. I dont care who has been here or who you could dream of having under center here, if the oline isn't' better then this team will struggle every damn year. That has been a common theme for many years.

Kyle seem a bit too head strong like his father. McNabb suggested some things that he thought would allow the team to disguise the weaknesses of the oline, but Kyle would have nothing of it. Like I said, McNabb could have played better, but he was on pace to put up one of the best statistical years of his career. For a guy with zero line, zero running game for much of the season, and basically one receiver, I would look at that as a positive. Lets face it, if the staff wouldn't have switched the D around, we may have won a number more games and we wouldn't be talking about this, we'd be talking about building on last year and going deeper in the playoffs.[/quote]


when i saw mcnabb, i sure didn't see a 9 time pro-bowler... i saw a guy throwing balls in the dirt, and the philly fans told us that's what we'd see when we got him. he's probably done.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

I have faith in Kyle. I don't understand how so many of us can sit and complain about Dan Snyders impatience and as soon as a move is made that doesn't look like dits taking us directly to the Super Bowl we are ready to dump it. The man has been here one year, his system needs time. We have to get players in and allow the seeds to grow.

I wanted Kyle when he was in Houston, he was the toy in the Mike Shannahan Happy Meal. Give it time Redskins fans, stop being like they guy we love to blam for everything. We act as if we are better, it's time to live by our words.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;816732]You know I am kind of tired of hearing about McNabbs shortcomings as a QB. If he was so bad, how did he produce 9 years of playoff births in 11 years, 6 probowls, 4 NFC championship games, 1 superbowl. And in my eyes a future hall of fame QB. McNabb was NOT the issue with the redskins last year. I am not saying he was picture perfect, but lets face the problems that have plagued this team for the last decade. The offensive line was horrible, provided no protection what so ever. THis goes back to Ramsey when he would get creamed every game. The RB situation was not as bad as people make it out to be. Torain was very productive at his position as was Williams, again the problem was the line didn't make much room for either. As the season went on (last 3 or 4 games) the line seemed to be doing a little better and Torain showed flashes of why I think he can be a very productive RB for this team. Poor draft choices, lack of choices, and overall bad personel moves over the last 10 years have made a huge hole of depth of quality Oline man on this team. To sit back and blame McNabb for all troubles are crazy. McNabb is a good QB, and will show what he can do in Minnesota. I dont care who has been here or who you could dream of having under center here, if the oline isn't' better then this team will struggle every damn year. That has been a common theme for many years.

Kyle seem a bit too head strong like his father. McNabb suggested some things that he thought would allow the team to disguise the weaknesses of the oline, but Kyle would have nothing of it. Like I said, McNabb could have played better, but he was on pace to put up one of the best statistical years of his career. For a guy with zero line, zero running game for much of the season, and basically one receiver, I would look at that as a positive. Lets face it, if the staff wouldn't have switched the D around, we may have won a number more games and we wouldn't be talking about this, we'd be talking about building on last year and going deeper in the playoffs.[/quote]

Most people don't realize that if McNabb wasn't benched he may have set the single season record for passing yards by a Redskins QB. So of this may be contributed to having to pass more frequently since they were playing behind all the time. We knew we were getting a QB with a relatively low completion percentage, and not quite accurate so I don't understand why Redskins fans were surprised when it happened

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;816726]Obviously Kyle has learned somethings from is mistakes from last year that is important as a professional in any field. My biggest knock is trying to fit players into his scheme as opposed to developing the scheme for the players. Evolution is part of business if you stick with something and it doesn't work you need to try something new. [/quote]


Disagree 100%. Coaches will not change their scheme to fit around players. You see it on the college level and you see it at the NFL level. That's why you have to give coaches 3-4 years to get their players in place to make things work. You can't just keep changing your scheme around because the players don't fit it. No, you go get players that fit your scheme. Also, what if Montana, Rice, Craig, etc didn't fit the West Coast offense, think he should have changed his scheme? Hell no.

The absolute problem with Kyle S is that he had absolute 0 talent on the offensive side of the ball. Look at the numbers offensively over the past decade and you'll see we've had little talent on this side of the ball. Let the guys get their players in, give them time and see how it works. If after year 4 we aren't contending or making playoff runs continually, then come back and say something. This is the beginning of the 2nd year, and basically a complete roster turnover. We should be grateful and ecstatic he's cleaning house.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;816770]Most people don't realize that if McNabb wasn't benched he may have set the single season record for passing yards by a Redskins QB. So of this may be contributed to having to pass more frequently since they were playing behind all the time. We knew we were getting a QB with a relatively low completion percentage, and not quite accurate so I don't understand why Redskins fans were surprised when it happened[/quote]

We had to pass because we couldn't run the ball effectively. That had a big deal to do with our RB and OL situation. When teams know you can't run the ball, they are going to tee off on your QB.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=That Guy;816744]when i saw mcnabb, i sure didn't see a 9 time pro-bowler... i saw a guy throwing balls in the dirt, and the philly fans told us that's what we'd see when we got him. he's probably done.[/quote]


I just dont get it. He is 33, 34 years old. You realize what he was doing prior to getting benched. As someone mentioned he was on pace to set career high in yards, set the Redskins record for yards, completions and all this with second rate talent around him. I see this as making the MOST out of NOTHING. He was running for his life anytime he took a 5 to 7 step drop, and hell even some 3 step releases he was getting drilled. No running game really and only 1 receiver. So Manning, Brady, Drew B, never make bad throws? Come on.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;816732]You know I am kind of tired of hearing about McNabbs shortcomings as a QB. If he was so bad, how did he produce 9 years of playoff births in 11 years, 6 probowls, 4 NFC championship games, 1 superbowl. And in my eyes a future hall of fame QB. McNabb was NOT the issue with the redskins last year. I am not saying he was picture perfect, but lets face the problems that have plagued this team for the last decade. The offensive line was horrible, provided no protection what so ever. THis goes back to Ramsey when he would get creamed every game. The RB situation was not as bad as people make it out to be. Torain was very productive at his position as was Williams, again the problem was the line didn't make much room for either. As the season went on (last 3 or 4 games) the line seemed to be doing a little better and Torain showed flashes of why I think he can be a very productive RB for this team. Poor draft choices, lack of choices, and overall bad personel moves over the last 10 years have made a huge hole of depth of quality Oline man on this team. To sit back and blame McNabb for all troubles are crazy. McNabb is a good QB, and will show what he can do in Minnesota. I dont care who has been here or who you could dream of having under center here, if the oline isn't' better then this team will struggle every damn year. That has been a common theme for many years.

Kyle seem a bit too head strong like his father. McNabb suggested some things that he thought would allow the team to disguise the weaknesses of the oline, but Kyle would have nothing of it. Like I said, McNabb could have played better, but he was on pace to put up one of the best statistical years of his career. For a guy with zero line, zero running game for much of the season, and basically one receiver, I would look at that as a positive. Lets face it, if the staff wouldn't have switched the D around, we may have won a number more games and we wouldn't be talking about this, we'd be talking about building on last year and going deeper in the playoffs.[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/romanowski-mcnabb-was-lazy/2011/07/29/gIQAlBSLhI_blog.html?wprss=dc-sports-bog]Romanowski: ‘McNabb was lazy’ - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;816778]I just dont get it. He is 33, 34 years old. You realize what he was doing prior to getting benched. As someone mentioned he was on pace to set career high in yards, set the Redskins record for yards, completions and all this with second rate talent around him. I see this as making the MOST out of NOTHING. He was running for his life anytime he took a 5 to 7 step drop, and hell even some 3 step releases he was getting drilled. No running game really and only 1 receiver. So Manning, Brady, Drew B, never make bad throws? Come on.[/quote]

You know why we swept the Eagles in 2008? Cuz McNabb was a choking dog with his dirt balls and turnoveres(and he had the gall to say "the better team lost").

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;816772]Disagree 100%. Coaches will not change their scheme to fit around players. You see it on the college level and you see it at the NFL level. That's why you have to give coaches 3-4 years to get their players in place to make things work. You can't just keep changing your scheme around because the players don't fit it. No, you go get players that fit your scheme. Also, what if Montana, Rice, Craig, etc didn't fit the West Coast offense, think he should have changed his scheme? Hell no.

The absolute problem with Kyle S is that he had absolute 0 talent on the offensive side of the ball. Look at the numbers offensively over the past decade and you'll see we've had little talent on this side of the ball. Let the guys get their players in, give them time and see how it works. If after year 4 we aren't contending or making playoff runs continually, then come back and say something. This is the beginning of the 2nd year, and basically a complete roster turnover. We should be grateful and ecstatic he's cleaning house.[/quote]

Didn't they try to bring him players to fit his scheme when they traded for McNabb? It was clear it wasn't working and some adjustments should've been made.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;816772]Disagree 100%. Coaches will not change their scheme to fit around players. You see it on the college level and you see it at the NFL level. That's why you have to give coaches 3-4 years to get their players in place to make things work. You can't just keep changing your scheme around because the players don't fit it. No, you go get players that fit your scheme. Also, what if Montana, Rice, Craig, etc didn't fit the West Coast offense, think he should have changed his scheme? Hell no.

The absolute problem with Kyle S is that he had absolute 0 talent on the offensive side of the ball. Look at the numbers offensively over the past decade and you'll see we've had little talent on this side of the ball. Let the guys get their players in, give them time and see how it works. If after year 4 we aren't contending or making playoff runs continually, then come back and say something. This is the beginning of the 2nd year, and basically a complete roster turnover. We should be grateful and ecstatic he's cleaning house.[/quote]

blache and g williams and billy b and rex ryan all adapt their scheme to their personnel, and all have good track records year 1.

they used randy moss a lot differently then they used d branch because he's a different player.

insisting on making square pegs go in round holes is a great way to waste time and money. haslett really sucked last year and never made good adjustments, hence the horrible D rankings.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;816778]I just dont get it. He is 33, 34 years old. You realize what he was doing prior to getting benched. As someone mentioned he was on pace to set career high in yards, set the Redskins record for yards, completions and all this with second rate talent around him. I see this as making the MOST out of NOTHING. He was running for his life anytime he took a 5 to 7 step drop, and hell even some 3 step releases he was getting drilled. No running game really and only 1 receiver. [B]So Manning, Brady, Drew B, never make bad throws?[/B] Come on.[/quote]

please, put words in people's mouth.

mcnabb looked awful. i understand the protection sucked, but he was slow (physically and decision wise) and just generally didn't look like the guy we were told we were getting.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;816732]You know I am kind of tired of hearing about McNabbs shortcomings as a QB. If he was so bad, how did he produce 9 years of playoff births in 11 years, 6 probowls, 4 NFC championship games, 1 superbowl. And in my eyes a future hall of fame QB. McNabb was NOT the issue with the redskins last year.[/quote]

And out of those 9 years of playoffs he's only managed to go to the SB once (one of those playoff appearances was led by Jeff Garcia), and only won one of those 4 NFC championship games. Tells you a lot about McNabb doesn't it? It clearly shows you the guy isn't clutch, which is exactly why Eagle fans have been destroying McNabb during his tenure. The dirtballs, the failed execution in the 4th quarter. Nope, that wasn't his fault either right? If he goes to Minnesota and stinks it up there, you'll still be making excuses for him.


Let's take a look back and see the QBs that have excelled in Andy's system:

1) AJ Feely
2) Michael Vick
3) Jeff Garcia

Each one of the guys came in and played just as good if not better than McNabb. So what's the one thing constant in all this? The system. Insert X QB into the slot and the same production is there. It's a telling sign when a divisional rival coach sends his starting QB over to you to roll with a guy who hasn't played much at all. THink about it.

McNabb has always been the problem. His work ethic, ability to learn and adapt, and his horrible accuracy. Why is it Rex played better when he came in? Same crappy team, yet much better results. You can't deny that, but I imagine you'll close your eyes and ears because you don't want to know the truth. You'd rather just point the finger at everybody else and blame them. It fits your agenda after all.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;816783]Didn't they try to bring him players to fit his scheme when they traded for McNabb? It was clear it wasn't working and some adjustments should've been made.[/quote]

No, Kyle never wanted him for his scheme. His dad overrode his pleas and still brought him in. Read the article a few posts prior. Adjustments were made. He was benched and the back up QB came in and looked twice as good.

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There is no reason that Rex should've outplayed McNabb, either. For all intents and purposes, McNabb should be the better quarterback. But everything worked a hell of a lot better with Rex. Tempo was better, the play calling was diverse, the ball came out closer, Santana, Armstrong and Cooley all looked more effective. Rex played with a great sense of urgency. With better tempo.

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[quote=NC_Skins;816772]Disagree 100%. Coaches will not change their scheme to fit around players.[/quote]I disagree 100%.
I guess it depends on what you mean by 'change'.

[quote=NC_Skins;816774]We had to pass because we couldn't run the ball effectively. That had a big deal to do with our RB and OL situation. When teams know you can't run the ball, they are going to tee off on your QB.[/quote]Disagree.
We ran the ball decent (middle of the pack in YPC) we didn't run the ball often enough (IIRC 2nd/3rd to last).
In most cases 1st down is the playcallers choice pass/run.
We were top 10 1st down pass attempts (as of week 9).

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;816788]And out of those 9 years of playoffs he's only managed to go to the SB once (one of those playoff appearances was led by Jeff Garcia), and only won one of those 4 NFC championship games. Tells you a lot about McNabb doesn't it? It clearly shows you the guy isn't clutch, which is exactly why Eagle fans have been destroying McNabb during his tenure. The dirtballs, the failed execution in the 4th quarter. Nope, that wasn't his fault either right? If he goes to Minnesota and stinks it up there, you'll still be making excuses for him.


Let's take a look back and see the QBs that have excelled in Andy's system:

1) AJ Feely
2) Michael Vick
3) Jeff Garcia

Each one of the guys came in and played just as good if not better than McNabb. So what's the one thing constant in all this? The system. Insert X QB into the slot and the same production is there. It's a telling sign when a divisional rival coach sends his starting QB over to you to roll with a guy who hasn't played much at all. THink about it.

McNabb has always been the problem. His work ethic, ability to learn and adapt, and his horrible accuracy. Why is it Rex played better when he came in? Same crappy team, yet much better results. You can't deny that, but I imagine you'll close your eyes and ears because you don't want to know the truth. You'd rather just point the finger at everybody else and blame them. It fits your agenda after all.[/quote]Saying Feeley excelled in Reid's system is like saying that Ramsey excelled in Spurrier's system.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;816780]You know why we swept the Eagles in 2008? Cuz McNabb was a choking dog with his dirt balls and turnoveres(and he had the gall to say "the better team lost").[/quote]

He must have learned something between then and the end of last year because when the Eagles waxed the Skins 59-28 (it was 35-0 after the first play of the second quarter if you recall), he did NOT say that the better team lost...

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

I hope we give Kyle some time to demonstrate what he can do. We just have some many inconsistencies everywhere, from the front office to the players on the field, so I hope we can stick with someone and see how they can do without firing them after one or two years.

Re: Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?
 

[quote=Hog Heaven;816962]I hope we give Kyle some time to demonstrate what he can do. We just have some many inconsistencies everywhere, from the front office to the players on the field, so I hope we can stick with someone and see how they can do without firing them after one or two years.[/quote]

Maybe Danny Boy can give Kyle just a wee bit of help calling plays by getting Sherm Smith to come back to town and play that role. It worked so well when he was here last time...

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[quote=30gut;816903]I disagree 100%.
I guess it depends on what you mean by 'change'.[/quote]

I mean, if a West Coast offense coach comes to a team that has a Power Run players on it, he isn't going to change his system to fit the players. He's going to run his scheme and find out who can play in the system, and replace everybody else. (same with the defense)

[quote=30gut;816903]Disagree.
We ran the ball decent (middle of the pack in YPC) we didn't run the ball often enough (IIRC 2nd/3rd to last).
In most cases 1st down is the playcallers choice pass/run.
We were top 10 1st down pass attempts (as of week 9).[/quote]

15th in average
30th in total rushing

Some of that has to do with McNabb accuracy issues putting us in to many 3rd and longs. Still, our running game isn't/wasn't where it needs to be. Torrain is slow, but runs hard.

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[quote=NC_Skins;817006]I mean, if a West Coast offense coach comes to a team that has a Power Run players on it, he isn't going to change his system to fit the players. He's going to run his scheme and find out who can play in the system, and replace everybody else. (same with the defense)



15th in average
30th in total rushing

Some of that has to do with McNabb accuracy issues putting us in to many 3rd and longs. Still, our running game isn't/wasn't where it needs to be. Torrain is slow, but runs hard.[/quote]

like when gibbs came here with a passing offense and completely flipped it after going 0-5 and seeing it not work?

or when schotty got tony banks and built an offense around him (waiver wire trash QB) and ONE audible?

i'm sorry, but i think a coach who insists on getting his players first is quickly unemployed.


so when peyton manning's OC comes in and decides to kepp running the same offense until the next peyton manning comes around... that makes him what? a genius? 20 wasted seasons in, is he allowed to keep saying "if i only had my players"?

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[quote=That Guy;817036]like when gibbs came here with a passing offense and completely flipped it after going 0-5 and seeing it not work?

or when schotty got tony banks and built an offense around him (waiver wire trash QB) and ONE audible?

i'm sorry, but i think a coach who insists on getting his players first is quickly unemployed.


so when peyton manning's OC comes in and decides to kepp running the same offense until the next peyton manning comes around... that makes him what? a genius? 20 wasted seasons in, is he allowed to keep saying "if i only had my players"?[/quote]

I never said you don't run plays to their strengths or make adjustments. That isn't changing your scheme.

Both of your examples, neither one of them was successful either. If you don't give your coach enough time to get his personnel right, you are going to continue the coaching carousel.

ps. I never knew Gibbs 2.0 brought in a "passing offense". Maybe that's why he traded a all pro CB (and 2nd rounder) for a RB, to help out that "passing offense" of his.

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[quote=NC_Skins;817006]I mean, if a West Coast offense coach comes to a team that has a Power Run players on it, he isn't going to change his system to fit the players. He's going to run his scheme and find out who can play in the system, and replace everybody else. (same with the defense)[/quote]
Of course an coach isn't going to run a completely different system.
A WCO isn't going to run an Coryell offense.
But to think coaches don't adpat their systems is naive.
Mike Holmgren/Brad Childress both WCO coaches used a more run focused attack when their personnel dictated i.e. Shaun Alexander/Adrian Peterson.

The Pats went from a balanced Erhardt-Perkins offense to a wide open spread offense w/ Brady and Moss back to a ball control offense w/ Cassel now they run a double TE focused passing attack.

The previous poster mentions Gibbs (not Gibbs 2.0) who came from a pass focused air Coryell offense and re-focused the attack into a run centric single back/h-back lead offense.

The good coaches adapt their system to fit the players its long been one of Bellichicks calling cards.
Etc...etc...



[quote]15th in average
30th in total rushing[/quote]
Which supports my original statement.
15th in average=meaning we ran the ball decent
30 in total rushing=we didn't run the ball enough (30th in total rushing attempts)
Heck, even Kyle said he needs to run the ball more

[quote]Some of that has to do with McNabb accuracy issues putting us in to many 3rd and longs. Still, our running game isn't/wasn't where it needs to be. Torrain is slow, but runs hard.[/quote]Your changing the point here.
Of course we need to run the ball better.
You made a statement but the stats don't support your statement.

We were top of the league in [I][B]1st down[/B][/I] pass attempts.
You can't blame a high number of 1st down pass attempts on anything else then coaches choice.

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[quote=NC_Skins;817041]I never said you don't run plays to their strengths or make adjustments. That isn't changing your scheme.

Both of your examples, neither one of them was successful either. If you don't give your coach enough time to get his personnel right, you are going to continue the coaching carousel.

ps. I never knew Gibbs 2.0 brought in a "passing offense". Maybe that's why he traded a all pro CB (and 2nd rounder) for a RB, to help out that "passing offense" of his.[/quote]

have you heard of air coryell? really?

0-5 and ending 8-8 on both counts sounds like a pretty good adjustment to me.

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[quote=NC_Skins;817041]I never said you don't run plays to their strengths or make adjustments. That isn't changing your scheme.

Both of your examples, neither one of them was successful either. If you don't give your coach enough time to get his personnel right, you are going to continue the coaching carousel.

[B]ps. I never knew Gibbs 2.0 brought in a "passing offense". Maybe that's why he traded a all pro CB (and 2nd rounder) for a RB, to help out that "passing offense" of his.[/B][/quote]

He was referring to Gibbs in 1981, not 2004. Gibbs did bring a passing offense from San Diego in '81.

I agree with you though -- we can't constantly bring in new systems every year because they don't do well after one season with bad personnel. Kyle's scheme works; we saw it in Houston when they racked up big time yardage.

When a team is rebuilding, -- and make no mistake, we ARE rebuilding -- you don't keep the crap that's been hanging around for years stinking the place up and change your philosophy around that crap. You stick to your guns, go with what you know works, and find the players who execute your scheme effectively.

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[quote=NC_Skins;817006]I mean, if a West Coast offense coach comes to a team that has a Power Run players on it, he isn't going to change his system to fit the players. He's going to run his scheme and find out who can play in the system, and replace everybody else. (same with the defense)



15th in average
30th in total rushing

Some of that has to do with McNabb accuracy issues putting us in to many 3rd and longs. Still, our running game isn't/wasn't where it needs to be. Torrain is slow, but runs hard.[/quote]


torain may be a bruiser, but he is most definitley not slow.