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Chico23231 07-13-2011 02:53 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=skinster;810609][B]I just want to say that I am a logical person, and a fan of the tank for luck strategy.[/B] However, I am red in the face with excitement right now about all the free agents we are looking to pick up. The fan in me is overtaking what I know is in the best longterm interest of our team and is totally on board with buying every free agent mentioned. I wonder how long my excitement will last? I'll probably complain about how this was the dumbest thing we could possibly do at the end of the season (which it probably is) but I'm just so excited to see us (hopefully) signing all these guys. My emotions are taking over my better thinking.[/quote]

Please make this your sig. pleaseeeee

Chico23231 07-13-2011 02:57 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Lotus;810623]Fingers crossed on getting Cullen Jenkins.

Yanda or Chester would be nice additions.

Cofield? Is he a small NT or a big DE? He might be a square peg in our system.

[B]Holmes would be good if we are looking to add weed smokers to the locker room.[/B][/quote]

Favortie Holmes quote or tweet:

"Dont check the wrap sheet, check the stat sheet" effing classic

NYCskinfan82 07-13-2011 03:07 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Chico23231;810645]Favortie Holmes quote or tweet:

"Dont check the wrap sheet, check the stat sheet" effing classic[/quote]

Def classic saying, but i don't want him on my team would prefer Rice, I'm happy with who we have already if we resign Moss for a fair price. We need more help elsewhere. IMO.

skinsfan69 07-13-2011 03:12 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Mattyk;810640]With a salary floor they're going to have to spend, and possibly spend quite a bit.[/quote]

so you're saying that we're so far under the projected cap that we have to spend? i could be wrong but i find that hard to believe.

skinsfan69 07-13-2011 03:13 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Chico23231;810645]Favortie Holmes quote or tweet:

"Dont check the wrap sheet, check the stat sheet" effing classic[/quote]

that's effing hilarious.

MTK 07-13-2011 03:19 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=skinsfan69;810651]so you're saying that we're so far under the projected cap that we have to spend? i could be wrong but i find that hard to believe.[/quote]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/42717-espn-teams-helped-hurt-new-salary.html[/url]

Longtimefan 07-13-2011 03:43 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Mattyk;810553]Agreed. With no offseason it's likely that our QB answer, for this year at least, is going to have to be an option that is already on the roster.

Unless there's someone out there that is very well versed in the type of WCO we run here.[/quote]

Agreed....and just about everyone familiar with the team's QB situation has gradually come to that realization. If you've got about 11 minutes to waste....here is an echo.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/post-sports-live-july-12/2011/07/12/gIQAgH1rAI_video.html]Post Sports Live, July 12 - The Washington Post[/url]

SmootSmack 07-13-2011 03:47 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Mattyk;810553]Agreed. With no offseason it's likely that our QB answer, for this year at least, is going to have to be an option that is already on the roster.

Unless there's someone out there that is very well versed in the type of WCO we run here.[/quote]

Well there's Matt Hasselbeck

MTK 07-13-2011 03:49 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=SmootSmack;810664]Well there's Matt Hasselbeck[/quote]

Doesn't exactly get the heart pumping. I'd rather stick with what we've got.

SkinzWin 07-13-2011 04:00 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Mattyk;810665]Doesn't exactly get the heart pumping. I'd rather stick with what we've got.[/quote]

Bingo. Bringing in aging vet QBs not familiar with our system two years running doesn't really do it for me.

skinster 07-13-2011 05:48 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Mattyk;810628]You must have a very interesting definition of logical.[/quote]

Lol, I'd say throwing away one season for 10 years of greatness is a pretty logical move.

Its like so many other things in life, alot of the time to get to where you want to be, you have to go through some hard times and do things you don't want to do, but you do that because you know it is in your best interest overall.

I wish we could look into the future 13 years down the road so you can see how beneficial to all redskins fans getting luck (without trading up) would be. Then you wouldn't give two shits that we had that one bad season because the last 10 were amazing.

You think the colts fans would have preferred to do better in 97 and not get manning? Don't think so. And if in 7 years if I ask whoever gets luck in the 2012 draft if they could go back in time and do better in 2011, would they?, they would slap me silly for asking such a stupid question.

Ruhskins 07-13-2011 05:53 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=skinster;810690]Lol, I'd say throwing away one season for 10 years of greatness is a pretty logical move.

Its like so many other things in life, alot of the time to get to where you want to be, you have to go through some hard times and do things you don't want to do, but you do that because you know it is in your best interest overall.

I wish we could look into the future 13 years down the road so you can see how beneficial to all redskins fans getting luck (without trading up) would be. Then you wouldn't give two shits that we had that one bad season because the last 10 were amazing.

You think the colts fans would have preferred to do better in 97 and not get manning? Don't think so. And if in 7 years if I ask whoever gets luck in the 2012 draft if they could go back in time and do better in 2011, would they?, they would slap me silly for asking such a stupid question.[/quote]

Oh boy, here we go again. :doh:

skinster 07-13-2011 05:58 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Ruhskins;810691]Oh boy, here we go again. :doh:[/quote]

nah, ive said my piece. I'm not going to say any more. If you don't see what I see, then I'm sorry. Think what you want, the truth is the truth. Unfortunately we will only take one path through history, and the future will determine what is truly in the best interest of our franchise in this seemingly everlasting forum battle of what is currently our opinions.

Dirtbag59 07-13-2011 06:12 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
I was waiting for a name to emerge of a guy I had either never heard of or knew little about but would still end up being a great addition. Yanda is now that player.


[QUOTE]Grade: 66 | Key

Comment: Yanda had nine starts in 2009 and had his most productive season of his three-year career. Yanda is a versatile lineman who can play right tackle or guard. He doesn't have the ideal height or athletic ability for tackle and plays with too narrow of a base to be a pile-moving guard. But Yanda is fundamentally sound for such a young player and has an aggressive edge to his game. He looks to finish, but his strength is just marginal, so keeping up with his blocks for an extended period of time is often a problem. He continues to improve his technique and overall consistency, and is an integral part of the Ravens' offensive line.
[/QUOTE]

Not as good as Davin Joesph though.

SOUL-SKINS 07-13-2011 06:16 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=skinster;810692]nah, ive said my piece. I'm not going to say any more. If you don't see what I see, then I'm sorry. Think what you want, the truth is the truth. Unfortunately we will only take one path through history, and the future will determine what is truly in the best interest of our franchise in this seemingly everlasting forum battle of what is currently our opinions.[/quote]

Im sorry. I can never root to lose. Ok so what If we tank the season and Luck is a bust or gets injured. Hey, Ya never know.....Then what? Hoping to lose to get the number one draft pick before the season even starts is ridiculous. If we were 0-8 I'd say fine..... let's hopefully lose enough games to try to have a shot at getting Luck. Otherwise. Bring on Beck. "WE PLAY TO WIN THE GAME"

Dirtbag59 07-13-2011 06:35 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=SOUL-SKINS;810694]Im sorry. I can never root to lose. Ok so what If we tank the season and Luck is a bust or gets injured. Hey, Ya never know.....Then what? Hoping to lose to get the number one draft pick before the season even starts is ridiculous. If we were 0-8 I'd say fine..... let's hopefully lose enough games to try to have a shot at getting Luck. Otherwise. Bring on Beck. "WE PLAY TO WIN THE GAME"[/quote]

I can but only after we're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. And even then it's very tough on Sundays.

I will admit though that it was pretty easy to root against them near the end of 2009. I think we all knew that unless the team hit rock bottom we were going to be stuck with Vinny.

Lotus 07-13-2011 06:56 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=skinster;810690]Lol, I'd say throwing away one season for 10 years of greatness is a pretty logical move.

Its like so many other things in life, alot of the time to get to where you want to be, you have to go through some hard times and do things you don't want to do, but you do that because you know it is in your best interest overall.

I wish we could look into the future 13 years down the road so you can see how beneficial to all redskins fans getting luck (without trading up) would be. Then you wouldn't give two shits that we had that one bad season because the last 10 were amazing.

You think the colts fans would have preferred to do better in 97 and not get manning? Don't think so. And if in 7 years if I ask whoever gets luck in the 2012 draft if they could go back in time and do better in 2011, would they?, they would slap me silly for asking such a stupid question.[/quote]

A) Fans root for their teams
B) Your position roots against the Redskins
Ergo, by syllogistic logic, you are not a Redskins fan

There's logic. Or we might try:

A) Cowboys fans root against the Redskins
B) You root against the Redskins
Ergo, you are a Cowboys fan

Again, just good syllogistic logic.

Alvin Walton 07-13-2011 07:16 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
Wanting to tank a season is wanting Dallas to sweep us.
Thats just looney tunes.......

dblanch66 07-13-2011 07:33 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
Dallas Sucks.

SmootSmack 07-13-2011 07:47 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
The first guy I heard mention Yanda was JI Halsell back in like January, so props to him if it goes down.

SBXVII 07-13-2011 08:51 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
I found this on another site it's very interesting.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820be464/article/redskins-prepared-to-make-run-on-big-free-agents-after-lockout]NFL.com news: Redskins prepared to make run on big free agents after lockout[/url]

[QUOTE]The Washington Redskins, who largely sat out the free-agent market in 2010, are prepared to make a splash this year, numerous sources familiar with the team's offseason plans said Tuesday.

Facing a serious lack of talent at crucial positions, the longtime NFC East doormats have put together a list of high-end free agents they want and will be very aggressive in pursuing them as soon as the NFL lockout is lifted, according to the sources.

NFL.com senior analyst Pat Kirwan investigates the pressing issues facing each team when the lockout ends:

» AFC East: Jets, Pats search for missing title piece
» NFC East: Division rivals reload as Redskins rebuild
» AFC North: Ravens, Steelers prepare to maintain edge
» NFC North: Vikings' Rice might shift power in division
» AFC South: Trio of teams still taking aim at Colts
» NFC South: Hard choices lie ahead for top teams
» AFC West: Big decisions at pivotal positions
» NFC West: QB moves might decide division
Signing New York Jets wide receiver Santonio Holmes reportedly is the primary objective of Redskins coach and chief decision maker Mike Shanahan. Guard Marshal Yanda, a player whom the Baltimore Ravens will vigorously fight to retain -- just as the Jets will make a concerted effort to retain Holmes -- also is coveted in Washington.

Green Bay Packers defensive lineman Cullen Jenkins and brother Kris, who's oft-injured but was very effective for the Jets when healthy, also are key targets for the Redskins, and league sources would be surprised if the team didn't land both, with competition for those two players not likely to be as steep as for Holmes and Yanda.

New York Giants defensive lineman Barry Cofield, despite being a 4-3 player to this point, also has been the subject of offseason planning by the Redskins, who operate a 3-4 defense.

The sources said the Redskins also will work hard to retain some of their own free agents, with wide receiver Santana Moss still in their plans, though it will be tricky to sign him and Holmes. Right tackle Jammal Brown, despite his checkered injury history, also remains in Washington's plans, and the team is optimistic about re-signing him.

Backup quarterback Rex Grossman will be re-signed (Shanahan remains dedicated to John Beck being his starter, team sources said); cornerback Phillip Buchanon will be pursued, given the woeful state of the team's corners; and the Redskins' staff has wavered on the merits of retaining linebacker Rocky McIntosh, who didn't fare well in 2010 evaluations and seemed ill-fitted to the team's scheme.

It all adds up to what could be a pivotal offseason for Shanahan, who already has fallen under scrutiny following clashes with top players and acute struggles on both offense and defense during his first season in Washington.

Team sources maintain that they can't foresee the Redskins keeping either quarterback Donovan McNabb or defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth. Receiving much for either in a trade will prove quite difficult given their contracts, and several team sources believe Shanahan ultimately will take anything he can for Haynesworth. The Redskins are particularly concerned that if they release Haynesworth, he will sign with the NFC East rival Philadelphia Eagles and reunite with his former Tennessee Titans position coach, Jim Washburn.

With trade options for McNabb limited, team sources expect Shanahan ultimately to release him. The Minnesota Vikings would be among the teams interested in the quarterback, league sources have said.


Shanahan, who has a long history of offensive wizardry, is desperate for a playmaker, which makes Holmes so attractive (contrary to reports, the Redskins haven't spent much time discussing Holmes' Jets teammate, Braylon Edwards). The Redskins also are desperate for impact offensive lineman, and if they miss out on Yanda, they likely will target two other Ravens -- Chris Chester or Jared Gaither -- since Washington's offensive line coach, Chris Foerster, has ties to those players from his time in Baltimore.

The Redskins hope young left tackle Trent Williams will continue to develop and that either Will Montgomery or veteran Kory Lichtensteiger can compete with Casey Rabach at center, with Artis Hicks at one guard spot and Brown, if re-signed, at right tackle. Yanda would greatly improve the interior of the line opposite Hicks at guard, but again, adding him is a big if.

Washington's defensive line, which lacked the personnel to switch to the 3-4 last season, needs a makeover, and the team hopes to address it with quantity and quality, sources said.

The Jenkins brothers have ties to the Washington area, and both have been standouts in a 3-4. Nose tackle is a major issue for the Redskins, and Kris Jenkins, coming off another season-ending surgery, could be a bargain on the open market. Cullen Jenkins is a versatile 3-4 lineman who can play multiple positions and is a natural fit for Washington.

Cofield, though lacking experience in the 3-4 scheme, has been a regular topic of conversation at Redskins Park, and the team believes he could be a major upgrade. San Francisco 49ers defensive tackle Aubrayo Franklin also has been linked to the Redskins, but sources said he hasn't been a focal point.

Shanahan has been unwavering in his support of Beck, to the dismay of some in the organization who haven't seen anything to suggest the former Raven and Miami Dolphin can be a competitive starting quarterback. With the 2010 season lost, Shanahan chose to play Grossman over Beck, and some at Redskins Park wonder why Beck, if he was indeed the future, didn't receive the call in those meaningless games.


"He is set on Beck," said a source familiar with Shanahan's thinking. "That's his guy. He isn't just saying it for the media or to blow smoke. He's serious as hell about it."

Grossman, who has almost no other free-agent options, is nearly certain to re-sign with the Redskins on a cheap, short-term deal. Washington still needs a third quarterback, with Vince Young a possibility (he hasn't been the subject of much internal discussion at this point, according to sources).

The Redskins also know that at some point in the next six to nine months, they must sign star safety LaRon Landry to a long-term deal. He's entering the final year of his rookie contract.

Also, off the field, team sources expect general manager Bruce Allen to assume at least some of the roles that just-departed team counsel David Donovan performed on a day-to-day basis, at least until owner Dan Snyder hires a full-time replacement (Shanahan has final say on personnel and is the driving force behind player acquisitions). Bob Wallace, who spent 16 years with the St. Louis Rams and previously served as their general counsel, is among the top candidates to replace Donovan's title, league sources said.
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diehard 07-13-2011 09:29 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
^JLC echo...

skinsnut 07-13-2011 09:39 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
As much as this is from JLC, who has iffy credibility....a lot of the moves look logical....however....many speculative moves that "look" legitamate must be logical.

Everyone know our needs, WR, oline, dline, etc.
The only thing missing here is ILB and CB...so that in itself gives it more credibiity...If I were to "make it up"...I'd also include solutions there.

If we are going after holmes...I bet it would be to replace Santana...they are quite similar and we arguably have 3 starters now including Santana and the rookie...it would be overkill and we won't outbid a contender for him.

Regarding Oline, Dline...I frankly don't give a crap who they bring in....based on our complete lack of quality, statistics will prove that the majority of moves possible will yield a significant improvement. So I am not concerned about that.

To be frank...2 positions scare me the most at this point, ...CB and QB
(everything else is an easy fix)

SirClintonPortis 07-13-2011 11:44 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=SBXVII;810715]I found this on another site it's very interesting.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820be464/article/redskins-prepared-to-make-run-on-big-free-agents-after-lockout]NFL.com news: Redskins prepared to make run on big free agents after lockout[/url][/quote]

That the article PFT was referencing in the first place.

skinster 07-14-2011 03:00 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Lotus;810696]A) Fans root for their teams
B) Your position roots against the Redskins
Ergo, by syllogistic logic, you are not a Redskins fan

There's logic. Or we might try:

A) Cowboys fans root against the Redskins
B) You root against the Redskins
Ergo, you are a Cowboys fan

Again, just good syllogistic logic.[/quote]

I know I said I wasn't going to reply to any comments because I said my piece, but I'm going to make an exception to this one. Challenging my fanhood to the redskins doesn't fly with me. Don't say I'm not rooting for the skins. I'm rooting for them to win the superbowl. If god comes down and grants the redskins magical powers this year and we win the superbowl, I will be just as happy as any of you (probably more so), but the fact of the matter that is impossible with john beck as our qb, and don't tell me it isn't. There is a fine line between hope and delusion. This is a lost season, and we have a rare opportunity to grab a once in a generation qb, don't waste it. I'm looking out in the best interest of my team, are you?

A) Redskins fans root for their team to win as many games over a decade as possible
B) The best way to win as many games as possible over a decade is to have a franchise qb.
C) Andrew luck is the best possible candidate to be a franchise qb

Logic-get andrew luck.

Lotus 07-14-2011 09:24 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=skinster;810739]I know I said I wasn't going to reply to any comments because I said my piece, but I'm going to make an exception to this one. Challenging my fanhood to the redskins doesn't fly with me. Don't say I'm not rooting for the skins. I'm rooting for them to win the superbowl. If god comes down and grants the redskins magical powers this year and we win the superbowl, I will be just as happy as any of you (probably more so), but the fact of the matter that is impossible with john beck as our qb, and don't tell me it isn't. There is a fine line between hope and delusion. This is a lost season, and we have a rare opportunity to grab a once in a generation qb, don't waste it. I'm looking out in the best interest of my team, are you?

A) Redskins fans root for their team to win as many games over a decade as possible
B) The best way to win as many games as possible over a decade is to have a franchise qb.
C) Andrew luck is the best possible candidate to be a franchise qb

Logic-get andrew luck.[/quote]

You said you were logical. I gave you logic. Please embrace my logic since you are so logical.

BTW you did not offer logic in return. Not only is your formula not a syllogism, but your formula breaks down with C. Luck may (or may not) be the best candidate, but since by your own admission there are other candidates, we not not HAVE TO suck for Luck. By your own attempt at logic, the Suck for Luck campaign is revealed as illogical.

Alvin Walton 07-14-2011 09:24 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
If it was ever confirmed that we mailed in an entire season we would be epically and eternally the laughing stock of the NFL.
There would be no hiding from the jokes and scorn.
It would be a huge black eye for the Redskins that they would have to wear for the rest of eternity.
Not to mention the legality of it.
We would be basically throwing all our games.
I think Roger Goodell would mightily frown on this.
And how ironic would it be that he fined us our next years first round pick if this happened.

It would suck to try to suck for Luck.

Hog1 07-14-2011 09:27 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
Is this STILL the cowardly, underhanded, craven, sniveling....talk of ...tanking the season?
Did Vince McMahon replace Goodell???

Schneed10 07-14-2011 09:34 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
Logic dictates that tanking just to get Andrew Luck would make your team worse in the long run, not better.

No professional football player wants to lose, and if the coach purposely tanks the season then it becomes clear to the players that he thinks the group as currently constructed won't get it done. They'll become disgruntled, go to the media, bitch and moan, and many will leave. Losing on purpose would create such a divide that Shanahan would never be able regain control of the locker room. He'd have to be fired.

It's a ridiculous idea that shows very little understanding of human nature.

skinster 07-14-2011 09:54 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Lotus;810757]You said you were logical. I gave you logic. Please embrace my logic since you are so logical.

BTW you did not offer logic in return. Not only is your formula not a syllogism, but your formula breaks down with C. Luck may (or may not) be the best candidate, but since by your own admission there are other candidates, we not not HAVE TO suck for Luck. By your own attempt at logic, the Suck for Luck campaign is revealed as illogical.[/quote]

I really hope your joking on so many levels.

And I hope your happy averaging 7-9 for the next decade, having two playoff appearances where nobody respects us as contenders and we get bounced in the first round.

MTK 07-14-2011 09:56 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
Luck is no lottery ticket for greatness. There will be other very talented QBs coming out as well.

JoeRedskin 07-14-2011 10:01 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Lotus;810757]You said you were logical. I gave you logic. Please embrace my logic since you are so logical.

BTW you did not offer logic in return. Not only is your formula not a syllogism, but your formula breaks down with C. Luck may (or may not) be the best candidate, but since by your own admission there are other candidates, we not not HAVE TO suck for Luck. By your own attempt at logic, [B]the Suck for Luck campaign is revealed as illogical[/B].[/quote]

Thank you Spock.

JoeRedskin 07-14-2011 10:09 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=skinster;810765]I really hope your joking on so many levels.

And I hope your happy averaging 7-9 for the next decade, having two playoff appearances where nobody respects us as contenders and we get bounced in the first round.[/quote]

So if we don't get Luck, we're doomed to mediocrity? Luck is our only ticket to "contenderhood"? Sorry, I don't believe that.

Lotus 07-14-2011 10:22 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=skinster;810765]I really hope your joking on so many levels.

And I hope your happy averaging 7-9 for the next decade, having two playoff appearances where nobody respects us as contenders and we get bounced in the first round.[/quote]

I was not joking, I was logical.

It appears that you like logic until it makes your position look bad. When logic makes your position untenable, you ditch it.

Lotus 07-14-2011 10:23 AM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;810769]Thank you Spock.[/quote]

I remembered Spock as I wrote that. :)

SkinzWin 07-14-2011 10:55 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Lotus;810772]I was not joking, I was logical.

It appears that you like logic until it makes your position look bad. When logic makes your position untenable, you ditch it.[/quote]

Or either you are oblivious to everyone else's comments except your own. Nothing is impossible in this league. You have no way of saying with absolute certainty that Beck could not take us to the super bowl. Football is a team sport. Yes the quarterback is important but how many teams have made it deep in the playoffs and even won the super bowl without a franchise QB, and by using a strong defense to get them there?

I guess in the end nothing anyone can say can sway you to your opinion, which you are legitimately entitled to have. However, you are outnumbered greatly in opinion, which most definitely counts for something. I know there is not a whole lot to talk about during the lockout, but this constant back and forth bickering is growing tiresome. Can we just agree to disagree and move on? Unless, of course, everyone else on here enjoys reading these parlays, then I yield of course.

Lotus 07-14-2011 11:17 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=SkinzWin;810778]Or either you are oblivious to everyone else's comments except your own. Nothing is impossible in this league. You have no way of saying with absolute certainty that Beck could not take us to the super bowl. Football is a team sport. Yes the quarterback is important but how many teams have made it deep in the playoffs and even won the super bowl without a franchise QB, and by using a strong defense to get them there?

I guess in the end nothing anyone can say can sway you to your opinion, which you are legitimately entitled to have. However, you are outnumbered greatly in opinion, which most definitely counts for something. I know there is not a whole lot to talk about during the lockout, but this constant back and forth bickering is growing tiresome. Can we just agree to disagree and move on? Unless, of course, everyone else on here enjoys reading these parlays, then I yield of course.[/quote]

Did you mean to quote me? I have unflinchingly argued against Suck for Luck. I think we are on the same side on this one.

Ruhskins 07-14-2011 11:55 AM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
I just caught the Football Today podcast on ESPN and Matt Williamson talked about the Redskins. Just thought people here would be interested:

[url=http://t.co/VdCkUa4]Football Today: 7/14 - ESPN[/url]

skinster 07-14-2011 12:46 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;810770]So if we don't get Luck, we're doomed to mediocrity? Luck is our only ticket to "contenderhood"? Sorry, I don't believe that.[/quote]

1. A franchise qb is our only ticket to contederhood. Not just anybody is capable this status, you can't just developed anybody, these players have it the capability (intangibles included) or they don't.

2. Franchise qb's are very hard to find, and there are very true franchise qbs capable of producing a winning team year in and year out.

3. It is even more rare that a once in a generation talent is coming out of college. A guy that is almost guaranteed to be a true franchise qb is even more rare. Luck isn't just any qb we're gambling on, he's practically a shoe in to lead us to success as long as he is at the helm.

4. A few [B]predictable[/B] franchise qb's get drafted late (aaron rodgers, drew brees), but that is a rarity and we can't wait around forever and hope for one of these guys to slip to us (look at 2nd round and late 1st round qbs drafted in the last 15 years, most of these guys slip for a reason, they have a very low hit rate)

5. Please don't mention Tom Brady, that is luck, it could happen to us that we get a franchise qb later, but it is unlikely and it is never good to rely on luck (please don't mention the pun).

6. Please don't mention Warner/favre/any other free agent vet that has had success and could have won a superbowl. It is better to have a shot every year for 10 years than have a window of 2 (look at where the cardinals and vikings are now). Plus it is rare to find one of these guys.

Luck is almost a sure thing. If you have a bank account of 10,000 dollars and there was a magic machine that you could give 10,000 dollars to today and you'd have a 90% chance of the machine giving you 50,000 dollars every year for 10 years, would you do it? I ****in would. Yea your year will suck, but your life will be much better for it. (I can't wait for people to make fun of this metaphor. Say what you want, as cheesy as it seems, it makes sense.)

Hog1 07-14-2011 12:52 PM

Re: Redskins ready to $pend?
 
[quote=Ruhskins;810786]I just caught the Football Today podcast on ESPN and Matt Williamson talked about the Redskins. Just thought people here would be interested:

[URL="http://t.co/VdCkUa4"]Football Today: 7/14 - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

EYE am interested.......good stuff! Listening now


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