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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;811796]Yes that does help. That makes it a lot easier to understand. Sounds like a dangerous thing though because if those signings don't work then their deadcap space will just replace the deadcap space the Skins got rid of. I hope we can hit right on our signings. For the sake of this season and future seasons. Not a good situation to having to keep signing guys to high signing bonuses and dealing with deadcap all the time.[/quote]

Word, you hit the nail on the head.

If all your big signings are successful, not only are you good to go on the field but you maintain financial flexibility down the road to further build your team.

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[quote=Schneed10;811772]Now let's say Schneed plays 2 years and then one day blocks Coach Shanahan as he's trying to speed in the left lane, and Coach Shanahan decides he's had enough and cuts Schneed after those two seasons.[/quote]

That's totally something Shanahan would do -- he's a dictator you know!

Seriously, thanks for the breakdown. That was useful.

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[quote=skinster;811770]It might be a one time obligation, but with teams that like to spend alot, it causes a chain reaction that affects the future. Like with us in the past, our release fees forced us to push money from the present year into the future, which increased future cap numbers as well as future release fees. Present mass-spending prevents future spending, and causes some players to be necessities to hold on to even if they are desired to be released.

I don't anticipate large contracts to be lowered at all, so lowering the cap and raising the floor just seems to hurt more teams than it helps because of the reasons I said in my last post. It just seems odd for the the owners to agree to.

I'd still like to know how you got your numbers, how they differ from the warpath's numbers, so I can better understand the cap. Also I'd like to know if you know where the check that the owner pays for going under the cap goes to.[/quote]All my sources in this thread are linked in the OP. The Warpath Cap Sheets are a great resource of mine that were used in this thread. Problem is, they're just not up to date accurate. They still have great info on them, but the bottom line totals are not inclusive of anything that has happened in the last nine months.

The cash minimum and salary cap are just completely different entities. The only way they are related at all is that the cash minimum is determined by a percentage of that year's salary cap. The average cash spent per club is almost certainly going to exceed the salary cap in any given year, because the NFL's accounting methods allow cash bonuses to be deferred to future seasons in cap sheets.

Deadcap is certainly a limiting factor on the cash to cap ratio, but with that said, the total value of signing bonuses in any given offseason is going to exceed the total value of deadcap. That's why the cash minimum isn't much of a hurdle at all: it's just not going to affect the behavior of 75% of NFL franchises who spend x amount of dollars in every season anyway.

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Might as well put this here, training camp rosters will be expanded from 80 to 90 players

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They should just get rid of dead cap space and make it cash paid counts towards the cap.

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(posted in wrong thread, my bad)

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I have a question . In this year does the June the 1st designation still exist - i.e. the previous tool to push forward a portion of the cap hit to the following years for veterans cut after June the 1st .

I have seen a couple of people saying it doesn't apply this season and others (e.g AdamTJ13) insisting it did . What impact would this have on our cap situation and teams with a cap issue like the Cowboys ...

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Uh Oh, here we go again. DOOMSDAY. are we in cap hell? It seems like every year people like to say we are and then all the finageling starts.

JK.

I think we should be in pretty good shape to sign key items to help out the team. It's the teams like Dallas who will have to do some major contract work in order to keep players and bring in new ones.

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So, with all the trades, rookie and vet signings.... Where do the Redskins stand in cap room? Does anyone have a "roundabout" idea?

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[quote=The Owner;815042]So, with all the trades, rookie and vet signings.... Where do the Redskins stand in cap room? Does anyone have a "roundabout" idea?[/quote]

Really tough to tell. From my perspective, the information out there (sources: Clayton at ESPN, and Tandler via JI Halsell) are too greatly in conflict to be certain what the starting point was.

From there, information is sketchy on the impact of trading McNabb, impact of releasing Rabach, and the impact of the new deals signed over the last few days because we don't have the contract details yet.

I think space remains to keep working but I don't know how much. I wouldn't be putting out a number right now.

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[quote=Schneed10;815045]Really tough to tell. From my perspective, the information out there (sources: Clayton at ESPN, and Tandler via JI Halsell) are too greatly in conflict to be certain what the starting point was.

From there, information is sketchy on the impact of trading McNabb, impact of releasing Rabach, and the impact of the new deals signed over the last few days because we don't have the contract details yet.

I think space remains to keep working but I don't know how much. I wouldn't be putting out a number right now.[/quote]I feel incredibly confident in saying its in excess of 10 million. I know that's a big range: 10+ mil, but we've still got a basic offseasons worth of cap space to work with.

Kemoeatu also just released.

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[quote=GTripp0012;815065]I feel incredibly confident in saying its in excess of 10 million. I know that's a big range: 10+ mil, but we've still got a basic offseasons worth of cap space to work with.

Kemoeatu also just released.[/quote]

Yeah suffice it to say we have enough to keep making moves. How much, nobody knows. Things are happening too fast right now.

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cofield is 12.5/36 over 6? moss 6/15 over 3? i assume donte is cheap, gaffney is cheap (have to check on his current contract w/o SB) and wislon was what? 8/13.5 over 3?

not a lot of big signings yet... still need jenkins and an OL if nothing else, but we got room for that and some midlevels/vet min cut guys.

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This morning I heard $21 million under, but I don't even pretend to understand the cap

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AH and DM saved us some nice room, but with all the moves coming and going good luck figuring out where we're at right now. I'm guessing we still have a lot of spendin' to do.

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Cap Update:

Our total 2011 cash outlay is at $106 million, which includes all the cuts and signings to date, and a rookie salary estimate, but not a Cullen Jenkins deal.

I have us sitting on [B]$21.8 million[/B] in cap space at the current moment. Our signings to date have pretty much been cancelled out by our cuts and trades.

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[quote=SmootSmack;815138]This morning I heard $21 million under, but I don't even pretend to understand the cap[/quote]Wow. First I saw this post by you and it pretty much equals my calculations over the last out exactly.

Good stuff.

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In other words, if Cullen Jenkins' deal is a blockbuster, it won't matter much on our 2011 cap.

2012 though is starting to get a little tighter.

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Stephen Bowen update: estimated cap number = $4 million

There is roughly $17 million remaining under the salary cap for 2011. We have matched the cash requirement for the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement with the NFLPA.

It's $37 million in deadcap for the following cuts:

Kemoeatu
Portis
Moss (voided deal prior to resigning)
Carter
Haynesworth
McNabb
Dockery
Rabach

Moss is actually counting $8.5 million on our cap, which is $5.5 million for the remenants of his old deal, and $3 million for his current deal.

But all that means is our salary cap is $87 million instead of $123.7 million. And the only big contract we have on the books is Fletcher at $7 million. So that's why we have so much deadcap and can still be signing.

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Man $17 million? let's go get Jason Campbell lol

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that's a TON of deadcap, but if 7mill is the biggest deal, that's not bad.

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Some cap information...

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html]Redskins have plenty of cap space after trading Albert Haynesworth, cutting veterans - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;815360]Some cap information...

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html]Redskins have plenty of cap space after trading Albert Haynesworth, cutting veterans - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]Okay, I figured out the discrepancy. The WP Insider article isn't including the rookie cap yet, and they calculated the deadcap hits of those four released wrong.

Our numbers about the "start of day" cap total are in agreement.

So $17 million of free money is the number. That's after we sign all the rookies. But the WP is kind of right that we could sign $30 million in player salary, and then get in salary cap compliance later.

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Okay, some of the $37 of deadcap we have accrued today is actually going on the books in 2012.

So we have more than $17 mil remaining in 2011 cap room, but some of that $37 mil is going to hurt us in 2012. So it's deceptive. If we spend to the limit, we'll be in cap hell next year. So basically, they're not spending to the limit. They're probably done in terms of big money.

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[quote=GTripp0012;815585]Okay, some of the $37 of deadcap we have accrued today is actually going on the books in 2012.

So we have more than $17 mil remaining in 2011 cap room, but some of that $37 mil is going to hurt us in 2012. So it's deceptive. [B]If we spend to the limit, we'll be in cap hell next year[/B]. So basically, they're not spending to the limit. They're probably done in terms of big money.[/quote]
Your a Redskins fan. Haven't you learned after all these years that we will never be in cap hell?

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Just letting you guys know I'll be working on new cap sheets all week. Any useful info you guys find could help so feel free to post in this thread. I'll check back over the next few days when I prepare my sheets. Thanks.

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[quote=steveo395;815740]Your a Redskins fan. Haven't you learned after all these years that we will never be in cap hell?[/quote]

Are you referring to the Redskins being recognized in the past as being the Champions of the off season/Free Agency and of the cap but a failure on the field? Where it matters most.
This is not something I am really proud of or like to bring up.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;818149]Just letting you guys know I'll be working on new cap sheets all week. Any useful info you guys find could help so feel free to post in this thread. I'll check back over the next few days when I prepare my sheets. Thanks.[/quote]

Appreciate it man

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I did a preliminary update to my cap sheets (8/3), should be up in the near future.

Right now I have 20 players with existing contracts prior to the lockout. For the rest I have assumed the minimum salary based on years of service.

I have our deadcap at $8.2M which includes only Haynesworth, Rabach, and Kemoeatu. According to this article, any deadcap for guys cut prior to March 2011 is wiped off the books. That means no deadcap for Portis, Carter, and Dockery. According to my numbers this saved us $20M in deadcap, but the article implies that the Jets were the big winners with $8M in savings, so I could be off.

[url=http://atp.patsfans.com/category/salary-cap/]salary cap :All Things Pats[/url]

I have factored in the Rule of 51. I have not allocated a rookie pool besides the min salaries mentioned above.

I have us at $54M in cap room, but considering we've made a bunch of signings since the lockout, the $34M number mentioned here seems to make sense:

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html[/URL]

I'll add more updates in the coming days.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/04/with-cba-coming-salary-cap-compliance-time-is-at-hand/]With CBA coming, salary cap compliance time is at hand | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;819763]I did a preliminary update to my cap sheets (8/3), should be up in the near future.

Right now I have 20 players with existing contracts prior to the lockout. For the rest I have assumed the minimum salary based on years of service.

I have our deadcap at $8.2M which includes only Haynesworth, Rabach, and Kemoeatu. According to this article, any deadcap for guys cut prior to March 2011 is wiped off the books. That means no deadcap for Portis, Carter, and Dockery. According to my numbers this saved us $20M in deadcap, but the article implies that the Jets were the big winners with $8M in savings, so I could be off.

[URL="http://atp.patsfans.com/category/salary-cap/"]salary cap :All Things Pats[/URL]

I have factored in the Rule of 51. I have not allocated a rookie pool besides the min salaries mentioned above.

I have us at $54M in cap room, but considering we've made a bunch of signings since the lockout, the $34M number mentioned here seems to make sense:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html]Redskins have plenty of cap space after trading Albert Haynesworth, cutting veterans - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

I'll add more updates in the coming days.[/quote]

I'll get the latest sheets up tonight, thanks man

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Hot off the presses

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;820154]Hot off the presses

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/URL][/quote]

is this supposed to be updated? it has the right names, but jabar, cofield, rex etc all have vet min deals, so it doesn't really help with knowing the real cap situation.

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[quote=That Guy;820740]is this supposed to be updated? it has the right names, but jabar, cofield, rex etc all have vet min deals, so it doesn't really help with knowing the real cap situation.[/quote]

As I mentioned in my post above, this is a preliminary update. Wanted to get the right names up there and clean up the sheet for 2011. More updates will be added on an ongoing basis.

The best way to get the latest status of our cap situation, is to check the posts and articles in this thread.

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[quote=Mattyk;820154]Hot off the presses

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/url][/quote]

Much appreciated guys (Matty and CrazyCanuck) -- really helps us get an insider's view of the cap situation. That $34 million number you floated (with assumed numbers for some contracts) would be pretty awesome.

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thanks, didn't mean to unintentionally troll or anything, and i probably did read that post when it was originally put there, but when i went to read the new post i forgot about it.

so sorry, thanks for all the work you do ;) i guess i was just confused.

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Just finished a big update to the cap sheets (8/14).

Everyone is updated except Doughty, Graham, McIntosh, Rocca. Most of the info has been confirmed by various sources, and I made logical assumptions for the rest. All in all should be pretty accurate. Will continue to make updates as info becomes available.

I currently have us at $8.6M of cap room.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;823257]Just finished a big update to the cap sheets (8/14).

Everyone is updated except Doughty, Graham, McIntosh, Rocca. Most of the info has been confirmed by various sources, and I made logical assumptions for the rest. All in all should be pretty accurate. Will continue to make updates as info becomes available.

[B]I currently have us at $8.6M of cap room.[/B][/quote]

Really? That seems like a huge drop after posting $54 million in cap room. Did Cofield, Bowen, Chester, Stallworth, and Wilson cost that much?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;823258]Really? That seems like a huge drop after posting $54 million in cap room. Did Cofield, Bowen, Chester, Stallworth, and Wilson cost that much?[/quote]

There's a $5.5M deadcap hit for Moss' old contract. Also Atogwe has a $7.9M cap hit including a $6.5M roster bonus that doesn't get prorated. The numbers seem right, if anything we have less room cuz I'm still missing a few signing bonuses.

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well considering we're not adding anyone, that's no big deal ;) just a bit of room to move some of next year's salary forward or look at extending some people.