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[quote=Ruhskins;829196]Information on other cuts, courtesy of my wife Kelly Johnson:

"Kelli Johnson
The redskins also cut TE Joe Torchia, DB Dante Barnes, DB Tyrone Grant & OL Corey O'Daniel... To get down to the mandatory 80 man roster"[/quote]

You should learn how to spell your wife's name or you'll sleep on the couch alot. :)

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[quote=Lotus;829219]You should learn how to spell your wife's name or you'll sleep on the couch alot. :)[/quote]

Yeah, she's not a big fan of the misspelled name. LOL.

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[quote=skinsfan69;829218]I was just going to say out of all the guys he drafted that year not one is contributing. Maybe Fred Davis is a little bit. Vinny Cerrato will never work in football again.[/quote]

I hope to god he gets another job in pro football. Let him ruin another franchise like he tried to do with ours.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;829085]I figured this thread could take over where the part 3 FA threads left off. Over the course of the next week I believe 1100 or so NFL players will lose their job, certainly some will be discussed as potential Skins players, or just out of the shock value of some of the names.

Kelly is a shame, because of his seeming potential, but what a shame his body just never went along.[/quote]

I really wonder how much of it is his body. I don't want to harp on the guy, but damn, always some stupid little injury that kept him frm playing. Me and others were right in labeling this guy the new Taylor Jacobs. I am not so sure these guys had the motivation to really play. I know that sounds ludicrous, but I think if one really wanted to play, the smaller injuries could be overcome, or you would go all out to get healed. I don't see any way he can stay on the roster, with so many great performances by the newbies. Paul is way more valuable than Kelly at this point, so hasta la vista Malcolm.

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i can see this years ade jimoh being...chris horton.

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[quote=doughtydoubter;829251]i can see this years ade jimoh being...chris horton.[/quote]

Reed Doughty is the answer.

Horton has little to no chance of making the team.

Sorry DOUGHTYDOUBTER.

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I don't think doughty deserves to be cut so I don't see that as a surprise. Everyone's expecting him to make the team.

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I'm supprised Barnes was cut. I liked what he and Gomez were doing on the field together in preseason.

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It was Dante Barns that was cut right? Not Kevin? I am assuming that was the case as KB has been very solid so far this preseason and should contribute this year....finally!

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I don't get why Doughty is being brought up to this conversation. The guy pretty much plays to the level of a backup safety and the coaching staff (at least MS) seem to like him. If he is kept (which I think should happen) it would not be a waste of a roster spot. Now if Horton is kept, it would surprise me because I don't think he has done much this offseason. Although, I wonder if the team is going to cut their losses with Kareem Moore. I mean they got Atogwe and Moore continues to have injury problems.

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No doubt!
Reed Doughty isn't Ronnie Lott but he continues to be a valuable contributor thru the years.

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I think Doughty is a solid player. He is most certainly not the best guy out there and a long shot from being a pro bowler, but he's a solid, dependable guy. Had some big shoes to fill when Taylor died.

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I have to say I'm pretty concerned about our secondary. We have, at best, one average cover corner and a bunch below average. Our starting safeties are both at risk to miss significant playing time due to injuries. If our front 7 is anything less than DOMINANT, teams with even an average passing attack should be able to beat us in the deep passing game with regularity.

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[quote=SmootSmack;829171]No surprises so far. Not even Kelly's injury settlement.

Well, the McBride cut was surprising...since I didn't even know he was on the team[/quote]


I was routing for McBride just because he went to Richmond..... I was also routing for Kyle O'Donnell, because on paper he matched up almost perfectly with Clay Mathews.... I think Kyle was in camp for like a week. Crazy that some guys no matter how they look on paper just dont even come close to matching up on the field.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;829331]I have to say I'm pretty concerned about our secondary. We have, at best, one average cover corner and a bunch below average. Our starting safeties are both at risk to miss significant playing time due to injuries. If our front 7 is anything less than DOMINANT, teams with even an average passing attack should be able to beat us in the deep passing game with regularity.[/quote]


Yeah i am too. Combine that with 2 converted DE's that now have to drop into coverage i think that is one of our major weaknesses. The positive is that i think we have very solid depth at CB just no real lockdown corners, so our nickle packages should be strong. Back up FS is still a major concern though.

Someone said something about maybe the Skins giving up on Moore? I think he's on the pup list so i see us keeping him on their instead of releasing him. Although that only gives him 7 weeks from now to get healthy.

One thing i like about Snyder is that he doesnt mind paying a injured player if the coaches think that player may be able to help us in the future. How much easier would it have been to cut Malcome Kelly last year, but paying him to sit on IR was worth a gamble for Danny. Unfortunitly it didnt pay off.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;829331]I have to say I'm pretty concerned about our secondary. We have, at best, one average cover corner and a bunch below average. Our starting safeties are both at risk to miss significant playing time due to injuries. If our front 7 is anything less than DOMINANT, teams with even an average passing attack should be able to beat us in the deep passing game with regularity.[/quote]

But really that's what this defense is built on- pressure from the front 7 in the passing game and stuffing the run. The secondary relies on this from the front 7 and the dbs need to make and take advantage of big plays when available. All four starting dbs (corners and safeties) have big play capability. That includes Wilson. He won the game against the falcons in OT last season. My concerns are with health and cohesion and comfort with playing together.

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[quote=Jontrem;829303]It was Dante Barns that was cut right? Not Kevin? I am assuming that was the case as KB has been very solid so far this preseason and should contribute this year....finally![/quote]

Bingo, thanks. I forgot we had a Dante Barns. lol.

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[quote=mlmpetert;829344]I was routing for McBride just because he went to Richmond..... I was also routing for Kyle O'Donnell, because on paper he matched up almost perfectly with Clay Mathews.... I think Kyle was in camp for like a week. Crazy that some guys no matter how they look on paper just dont even come close to matching up on the field.[/quote]


I'm just checking but .... were you "rooting" for him or "routing" for McBride? :) Just so I know where your coming from.

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[quote=SBXVII;829380]I'm just checking but .... were you "rooting" for him or "routing" for McBride? :) Just so I know where your coming from.[/quote]


I was on route with his bandwagon rooting him on, but have since been handed a rout.

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[quote=mlmpetert;829393]I was on route with his bandwagon rooting him on, but have since been handed a rout.[/quote]

Nice.

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[quote=mlmpetert;829393]I was on route with his bandwagon rooting him on, but have since been handed a rout.[/quote]

LOL. I hear the fans on the route have a hard time rooting for anyone at this point because of the route the team is taking.

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[quote=SouperMeister;829173]Ray Rice was still on the board when Kelly was selected. Matt Millen may as well have been making our picks as bad as the 2008 draft turned out. Ten selections, and ZERO consistent starters. Thanks Vinny.[/quote]

[url=http://dc.sbnation.com/2011/8/31/2395531/malcolm-kelly-cut-vinny-cerrato-daniel-snyder-2008-draft]Daniel Snyder, Not Vinny Cerrato, Was Reportedly Behind The Malcolm Kelly Pick - Half Smokes - SB Nation DC[/url]

I really wanted Kelly to work out for us. Shame he didn't have the heart.

[QUOTE=Longtimefan;829459][url=http://dc.sbnation.com/2011/8/31/2395531/malcolm-kelly-cut-vinny-cerrato-daniel-snyder-2008-draft]Daniel Snyder, Not Vinny Cerrato, Was Reportedly Behind The Malcolm Kelly Pick - Half Smokes - SB Nation DC[/url][/QUOTE]

Hard to trust this when his source is JReid...
Seems like Snyder has always given the "football" people some level of freedom, the thing is VC had his head so far up his a** and wanted to please DS so much that if Danny said he really liked MK I could see that becoming THE OWNER SAID in VCs mind...

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[quote=Longtimefan;829459][url=http://dc.sbnation.com/2011/8/31/2395531/malcolm-kelly-cut-vinny-cerrato-daniel-snyder-2008-draft]Daniel Snyder, Not Vinny Cerrato, Was Reportedly Behind The Malcolm Kelly Pick - Half Smokes - SB Nation DC[/url][/quote]


Some interesting tweets by J. Reid.


[quote]JReidPost Jason Reid

They flew to Kelly's private workout and Snyder fell in love with him.
19 hours ago[/quote]

[quote]@JReidPost Jason Reid

People forget Zorn slipped up and revealed Malcolm should have been assigned to season-ending injured reserve before rookie MORE
[/quote]

[quote]JReidPost Jason Reid@coxen00

That's not what they predicted. Coaches were informed that because of knee, Malcolm would have problems practicing. Some MORE[/quote]


[quote]Jason Reid
@JReidPost Jason Reid

teams assigned Malcolm a medical-reject grade, essentially saying he should not be drafted because of knee concerns. Clear?
[/quote]

[quote]Jason Reid
@JReidPost Jason Reid

one told me after Kelly was picked: "That's what the owner wanted to do. Just setting the record straight. Peace.
20 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®[/quote]

[quote]@isnadd

Apparently, you're unfamiliar with the way this operation worked. The Haynesworth signing was all the owner as well.[/quote]

I'm not the biggest J. Reid fan, but I firmly believe that Dan Snyder has been behind a bunch of the bungled trades/contracts and draft picks. Why? Because that's what the average moronic fan would do that had no experience in NFL personnel.

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[quote=VegasSkinsFan;829466]I really wanted Kelly to work out for us. Shame he didn't have the heart.[/quote]


How do you question the guys heart? This isn't Haynesworth. He's not able to play due to injury. Being injury prone doesn't mean you don't have heart.

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Quote:
@JReidPost Jason Reid
People forget Zorn slipped up and revealed Malcolm should have been assigned to season-ending injured reserve before rookie MORE

I echoed that sentiment Kelly's rookie season and mentioned it in an earlier post. His career may have taken a different turn had he not been rushed into playing.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;829472]How do you question the guys heart? This isn't Haynesworth. He's not able to play due to injury. Being injury prone doesn't mean you don't have heart.[/QUOTE]

Big difference between hurt and injuries. He didn't play through anything. In my opinion that's no heart.

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[quote=VegasSkinsFan;829480]Big difference between hurt and injuries. He didn't play through anything. In my opinion that's no heart.[/quote]

Did you not read anything above? It's obvious you didn't. You act like he sat himself out because he had a hangnail. Some of you guys are rediculious. In fact, stories are coming out now that he was pressured to play when he probably shouldn't have.

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[quote=VegasSkinsFan;829480]Big difference between hurt and injuries. He didn't play through anything. In my opinion that's no heart.[/quote]

[url=http://www.google.com/search?q=willingness+vs+ability&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7]willingness vs ability - Google Search[/url]

Why don't you give us the medical diagnosis, Dr. Recchi?

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[quote=NC_Skins;829481]Did you not read anything above? It's obvious you didn't. You act like he sat himself out because he had a hangnail. Some of you guys are rediculious. In fact, stories are coming out now that he was pressured to play when he probably shouldn't have.[/quote]


Taylor Jacobs' problems started when an opposing player landed on him as a play was ending. Not saying he didn't get hurt, but my god, he hardly saw any playing time when he was here! I mean, what, he played maybe 3-4 downs during his 4 year stint with us? Kelly wasn't a putz that sat out for a hangnail or stubbed toe, but geez, the guy couldn't stay in shape even when he wasn't on the field? When I played in HS I played with twisted ankles, jammed fingers, etc, and I stayed in because I wanted to play. I am sure Malcolm was banged up, but you need to suck it up if you want to make it in the NFL. With some of the above posts, it looks like he shouldn't have been drafted though.

Kelly played all 16 games just two years ago. And probably would have played some games last year if NFL IR rules didn't force him to miss the entire season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;829495]Kelly played all 16 games just two years ago. And probably would have played some games last year if NFL IR rules didn't force him to miss the entire season.[/quote]

I am referring to Taylor Jacobs as playing only a handful of downs for us. Kelly did show some promise at one point, but can't stay healthy. Maybe the intensity of playing Big 12 football wore him out, but damn, that is awfully young to be injury prone. I hope he actually received a real degree from Oklahoma, because he is going to need it soon.

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[quote=NC_Skins;829481]Did you not read anything above? It's obvious you didn't. You act like he sat himself out because he had a hangnail. Some of you guys are rediculious. In fact, stories are coming out now that he was pressured to play when he probably shouldn't have.[/quote]

I read all of the posts, one guy agrees with me and there are some quotes that say we shouldn't have drafted him. I can't speak to if we should have drafted him or not, I was excited about the pick at the time. I can speak to the fact that he hasn't played much and seems to have an attitude that it doesn't matter. It could be a defense mechanism, however it comes across to me as having no heart.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;829501]I am referring to Taylor Jacobs as playing only a handful of downs for us. Kelly did show some promise at one point, but can't stay healthy. Maybe the intensity of playing Big 12 football wore him out, but damn, that is awfully young to be injury prone. [B]I hope he actually received a real degree from Oklahoma, because he is going to need it soon.[/B][/quote]

I think he will be ok. Some of his quotes which seem to indicate to some folks that he has no desire actually indicate, from a different point of view, that he is a level-headed, intelligent adult who realizes that he needs a backup plan because he won't play football forever even in the best-case scenario.

If it didn't matter to MK, he wouldn't have been the first one in and last one out day after day during last season even knowing he couldn't suit up. He wouldn't have requested the coaches stay with him for extra film sessions, or worked early mornings and late nights practicing running routes with our veteran receivers giving pointers.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;829515]If it didn't matter to MK, he wouldn't have been the first one in and last one out day after day during last season even knowing he couldn't suit up. He wouldn't have requested the coaches stay with him for extra film sessions, or worked early mornings and late nights practicing running routes with our veteran receivers giving pointers.[/QUOTE]

I don't live in the area anymore so it's possible I missed it. The majority of the articles that I've read about him and his work ethic would lead me to a different opinion.

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[quote=VegasSkinsFan;829516]The majority of the articles that I've read about him and his work ethic would lead me to a different opinion.[/quote]


I'm calling bullshit on this. Show me some articles that puts his work ethic in question. I think you have Kelly mixed up for Devin Thomas.

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Jason Reid is right here on Malcolm being Dan's pick. I remember hearing Vinny say that he wanted to pick Jerod Mayo at 21, but when NE got him at 10 he decided to trade down.

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Devin was a lazy sack of *$%^
Malcolm just had bad luck