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Well.....I guess they're dancing in the street in Houston......

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[quote=wilsowilso;830898]What flack can you give Peyton Manning?

If he can't play anymore he would probably give the money back or donate it to charity.



Even though I will always give great respect to Peyton......Tom Brady is better.

Nobody pay attention to that statement. That's just for Gtripp.

I can't very well compliment Manning publicly without such disclaimer.[/quote]

if he signed the contract and the Colts can't void it. Then he can't just give the money back. The colts will have to take the cap hit and attempt to collect injury insurance, if they have any, for the bonus. Could kill the colts for a few years having to take that large of a hit.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;830951]No need. Suck for Luck and profit from perfect timing!!![/quote]

diffrent sport, but the Spurs lost David Robinson due to injury and fell into the first pick of the draft which they used to get Tim Duncan and a few championships.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here but I predict Houston will mop the floor with Indy in week 1 if the Colts don't have Manning.

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I picked Manning in my FF league, im hoping this 2nd neck surgery thing is just a rumor, the Colts better hope so too, as they will be lucky to win 5 games without him.

I already planned on sitting him the first 2 games, so I hope Kolb is settled and relaxed and ready to fire passes to Fitzgerald all day long.

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I can see Jim Cadwell now flippen through the Tony Dungy strategy playbook and seeing a blank page with big block letters "Oh Sh*t!!!" under the heading what to do if Peyton goes down.

The Colts shoulda been more prepared for this possibility, its no secret Peyton was complaining about his neck during the lockout. Cadwell is gonna have a hardtime and with little to no running game to lean on makes it tougher.

Houston has a great opportunity now, blood is in the water and they better take advantage of it.

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Colts just announced that Manning will stop practicing, don't know when he'll be back.

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I've read that link a few times now on ESPN. I am going to attempt to give my take on it, hopefully to clear a few things up because there are alot of rumors flying right now. I am not a professional athlete, but i have had a few surgeries in my lifetime, one of which has really affected my other passion besides football, Mixed Martial Arts. I can kind of relate to Peyton in terms of what this surgery/recover is doing to him even though his heart and mind is on his sport.

My thoughts are this: There is no second surgery planned on Peyton because at this poin the doctors are not certain that a 2nd surgery will make things any better than the 1st. Peyton is also complaining of a sore back, and he did not previously have back injuries. It is quite possible that he is dealing with some nerve damage that may have been caused by the surgery, or possibly was not fully resolved from the surgery. At the time of his surgery in May, he had two neck surgeries within 15 months, and if he is still having lingering nerve damage now, it may never fully go away.

The article spells out in clear language that Peyton's arm strength is not even close to what it was before the surgery, and it is certainly not up to NFL standards. This is possibly the most telling fact that Peyton may be physically done. The article doesn't say that his arm strength is "not yet" returned, but rather that it "plateaued". As in saying it is as good as it's going to be.

My guess is that peyton may take a few more weeks to see if his arm strength returns, but if it doesnt, i think he will do the classy thing and not risk his life or future health to try and continue to play football on a bad arm/neck/back. It's obvious his surgery was life changing. Peyton has a great football mind and I'm sure he will get involved right away, probably with the colts, in some other capacity.

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[quote=mooby;831040]I'm going to go out on a limb here but I predict Houston will mop the floor with Indy in week 1 if the Colts don't have Manning.[/quote]3-12 isn't out of the question. I see them only having a chance against Cincy, Carolina, and Jacksonville.

The way they're built, it's all around Manning. Their D is built to just limit the score juuuuust enough so the offense's 21+ points is enough to win. Their running game is just to "keep the D honest".

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;831098]3-12 isn't out of the question. I see them only having a chance against Cincy, Carolina, and Jacksonville.

The way they're built, it's all around Manning. Their D is built to just limit the score juuuuust enough so the offense's 21+ points is enough to win. Their running game is just to "keep the D honest".[/quote]

When did the NFL go to a 15 game schedule? :p

I agree with the rest of your post though. The roster is built around Manning. No Manning = the Colts will look a lot different. If SS is right and this is the end of Manning's career there's no shame in walking away now. He's had an epic career, he's got a ring, he's a surefire first ballot HOFer, I mean there's nothing left to prove for him. Sure he won't beat Favre's records but that doesn't mean anything. And yes, the Colts do deserve a lot of flack for never preparing for life without Manning. They put all their money on him, and it's quite possible they'll get burned.

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[quote=mooby;831100]When did the NFL go to a 15 game schedule? :p

I agree with the rest of your post though. The roster is built around Manning. No Manning = the Colts will look a lot different. If SS is right and this is the end of Manning's career there's no shame in walking away now. He's had an epic career, he's got a ring, he's a surefire first ballot HOFer, I mean there's nothing left to prove for him. Sure he won't beat Favre's records but that doesn't mean anything. And yes, the Colts do deserve a lot of flack for never preparing for life without Manning. They put all their money on him, and it's quite possible they'll get burned.[/quote]

3-13, I mean. lol

They'll get the Luck bailout...unless their remaining studs like Freeney, Wayne, Clark, and Mathis refuse to comply with that plan. ;)

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;831104]3-13, I mean. lol

They'll get the Luck bailout...unless their remaining studs like Freeney, Wayne, Clark, and Mathis refuse to comply with that plan. ;)[/quote]

They do have talent at other positions, but Curtis Painter or a fresh off the street recently retired Kerry Collins starting for them? If people thought our qb situation was bad, just look at theirs without Manning. And I hope they don't get Luck, but I'd rather see him go to the Colts than an NFC team.

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They can have Luck. He looked great Sat night, but it is still a 50/50 proposition if he can adjust very well to the pros. Odds are he will, but you never know. It probably will take him a couple years like it did with Peyton to get "it" down pat, then he will be a probable HOF Qb franchise guy.

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[quote=mooby;831110]They do have talent at other positions, but Curtis Painter or a fresh off the street recently retired Kerry Collins starting for them? If people thought our qb situation was bad, just look at theirs without Manning. And I hope they don't get Luck, but I'd rather see him go to the Colts than an NFC team.[/quote]

yeah, it'd be awful if he went to the redsk... oh wait.

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[quote=That Guy;831183]yeah, it'd be awful if he went to the redsk... oh wait.[/quote]

:rolleyes:

You know what I mean lol. I don't think we'll be in the running for him though, we've have to sacrifice an arm and a leg just to move up. Which I might be okay with, depending on how everything shakes out.

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[quote=That Guy;831183]yeah, it'd be awful if he went to the redsk... oh wait.[/quote]

Dallas has a better chance to get Luck than we do. We're just too good.

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Also it seems that Manning could miss more longer. If he is out in 2011, the Colts season goes down in flames.

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[quote=JPPT1974;831231]Also it seems that Manning [B]could miss more longer[/B]. If he is out in 2011, the Colts season goes down in flames.[/quote]
Lolol

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I assume this was talked about in another thread...but has anyone corrected ESPN and told them that London Fletcher is tied with manning in games played in a row and his not like 50 behind. Or behind Ronde Barber...

Come on SmootSmack, what kinda organization are you running over there?!?!

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And SmootSmack (insert tag here if its possible to make sure you read it....). What did they get rid of ESPN Zones! I still have money on a card that I want to use! I tried going to one in Baltimore a few months ago to catch a game and it was gone!

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;831422]I assume this was talked about in another thread...but has anyone corrected ESPN and told them that London Fletcher is tied with manning in games played in a row and his not like 50 behind. Or behind Ronde Barber...

Come on SmootSmack, what kinda organization are you running over there?!?![/quote]

I didn't look at the numbers, but something felt a bit off. They both came in the league in 1998.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;831422]I assume this was talked about in another thread...but has anyone corrected ESPN and told them that London Fletcher is tied with manning in games played in a row and his not like 50 behind. Or behind Ronde Barber...

Come on SmootSmack, what kinda organization are you running over there?!?![/quote]

Where did they say that? Send me a link

And many reasons for shutting down the ESPN Zones

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;831422]I assume this was talked about in another thread...but has anyone corrected ESPN and told them that London Fletcher is tied with manning in games played in a row and his not like 50 behind. Or behind Ronde Barber...

Come on SmootSmack, what kinda organization are you running over there?!?![/quote]

So there's consecutive starts and consecutive appearances.

Fletcher has 208 consecutive appearances, which leads the NFL.
However, Ronde Barber has 184 consecutive starts, Fletcher has 167.

Tampa fans are anointing Barber as the new Iron Man.

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I heard the same thing on ESPN yesterday. If Fletch is the leader give the man his credit.

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I just heard on 980am that WNDE in Indy is claiming a source has said he already had the second procedure on Sunday or Monday and is likely out for the season. Sorry no link, literally heard it 2 minutes ago on the radio.

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The Indiana radio host that broke the story @jakequery is now reporting that Manning had a third procedure either Sunday or Monday and may be out for the season. Nothing confirmed so it's, at best, hearsay for the time being.

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GMScud and 12th FTW!

Seriously though, if Manning is out for the year, top 10 draft pick imo.

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Here's the guy breaking the news: [url=http://www.wnde.com/pages/query-schultz.html]Query & Schultz - SportsRadio 1260 WNDE[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;832054]I just heard on 980am that WNDE in Indy is claiming a source has said he already had the second procedure on Sunday or Monday and is likely out for the season. Sorry no link, literally heard it 2 minutes ago on the radio.[/quote]



Peyton Manning is doing just fine people. He's up and eager to play his first game next week. I do not lie.

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[quote=mooby;832057]GMScud and 12th FTW!

Seriously though, if Manning is out for the year, top 10 draft pick imo.[/quote]

Top 5 draft pick.

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[quote=GMScud;832054]I just heard on 980am that WNDE in Indy is claiming a source has said he already had the second procedure on Sunday or Monday and is likely out for the season. Sorry no link, literally heard it 2 minutes ago on the radio.[/quote]

I spoke to an unnamed source here this morning who you've seen in your living room (on the tv) and he said he heard this morning no sooner than 6 weeks...out for the season would be something else

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craziness ... talk about a franchise that has not dealt with anything but a stud QB for the past decade + ... welcome to our world

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[quote=wilsowilso;832064]Top 5 draft pick.[/quote]

Possible. They do have talent in other areas, if it's Painter or Collins throwing the ball they'll have Wayne and Clark to throw to, but their offensive line isn't that good. Defense should be about the same, but we all know they have a middle of the pack defense with great bookend rushers. But if people think qb play will hold us back this season, they need not look any further than the Colts. A fresh off the street Collins is probably just as bad as as a crappy Painter. Colts should've invested in a quality backup quarterback.

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[quote=SmootSmack;832066]I spoke to an unnamed source here this morning who you've seen in your living room (on the tv) and he said he heard this morning no sooner than 6 weeks...out for the season would be something else[/quote]

Wouldn't it be something if he missed the season, the Colts lose 13 games an land the #1 pick.... And get Andrew Luck...

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[quote=GMScud;832082]Wouldn't it be something if he missed the season, the Colts lose 13 games an land the #1 pick.... And get Andrew Luck...[/quote]

Andrew Luck with a horseshoe logo = win.
:laughing2

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Owner has said Payton will be out awhile. wow.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/08/colts-owner-peyton-manning-will-be-out-awhile/]Colts owner: Peyton Manning will be out “awhile” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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I think this confirms most of what we've been hearing all along and what SS posted yesterday Re: six weeks.

Look, if they're looking at him being down practically half the season, minimum, he might as well sit the entire season and get healed up.

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Peyton Manning is an old man football wise, he should just retire.

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If he sits this whole year, he will be 36 entering next season.

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if he retires/can't play does Indy go after any of the guarantee?