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Let's not forget:

Moss
Rocca
Gano
Westbrook

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Now why would the Redskins get rid of Cooley? Look at what NE is doing with 2 TE sets.

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I would throw Orakpo's name in here. The guy has been a machine, and along with Kerrigan , makes a QB-killing duo out there. I think (and hope) that our pass rush is going to have a field day with a banged up Romo.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;837670]Now why would the Redskins get rid of Cooley? Look at what NE is doing with 2 TE sets.[/quote]

New England is stupid, they need to trade one of their TEs!!! [/sarcasm]

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Not that I advocate trading Cooley but most of our pass catchers are possession first guys. Armstrong is the only real deep threat thats regularly on the field. Moss these days is more quick and smart then he is fast. Kind of wish they would give Austin more playing time just to stretch the field a bit.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;837681]Not that I advocate trading Cooley but most of our pass catchers are possession first guys. Armstrong is the only real deep threat thats regularly on the field. Moss these days is more quick and smart then he is fast. Kind of wish they would give Austin more playing time just to stretch the field a bit.[/quote]

My guess is that he will see Austin next week, my gut tells me Stallworth was being showcased today and maybe Austin next week for when Moore and Buchanon return from injury/suspension. One of those guys will probably be traded, just guessing. I hope it's Stallworth who they get rid off.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;837683]My guess is that he will see Austin next week, my gut tells me Stallworth was being showcased today and maybe Austin next week for when Moore and Buchanon return from injury/suspension. One of those guys will probably be traded, just guessing. I hope it's Stallworth who they get rid off.[/quote]

It would be nice to get a replacement for Golston. Still I have to admit, I flat out love this receiving corps, namely Moss, Armstrong, Gaffney, Davis, Cooley. None of them are selfish, they're all willing to block, and they all have some sort of chip on their shoulder.

Vinny tried to build a group like this for 10 years and couldn't do it. Shanny did it in two years. lol. Lot of credit for the success of this unit has to go to both Kyle and Keenan.

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Am I the only one that thinks Hightower is [B]slightly[/B] overrated as a runner? It took Hightower 20 carries to get to 96 yds, while Helu had 10 carries for 74 yds. The only knock on Helu is that he's not a good pass blocker.

Also, I'm not buying Shanahan's comment that Hightower was "tired". TH didn't play at all in the 2nd half, but for a couple of plays. I think Shanahan's seeing that Helu, with the exception of Pass Pro, is a more productive running and pass catching back than Hightower is.

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We don't know what Helu is like starting the game and getting the bulk of the carries. While Helu is a good change of pace back, Hightower is the pacesetter, if you will. He gets the offense in a rhythm, which helps Rex out a lot.

Not to suggest that Helu isn't starting material, but I think for now the combination is right.

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[quote=vallin21;837690][B]Am I the only one that thinks Hightower is [B]slightly[/B] overrated as a runner?[/B] It took Hightower 20 carries to get to 96 yds, while Helu had 10 carries for 74 yds. The only knock on Helu is that he's not a good pass blocker.

Also, I'm not buying Shanahan's comment that Hightower was "tired". TH didn't play at all in the 2nd half, but for a couple of plays. I think Shanahan's seeing that Helu, with the exception of Pass Pro, is a more productive running and pass catching back than Hightower is.[/quote]

Yes. Also, running backs do get tired. But even if they didn't, it doesn't hurt to change it up once in a while. Especially when you've got two different backs that complement each other like Hightower and Helu do. Not only does it keep both of them fresher, it's harder on the defense since they are getting more tired in the second half and the running back has fresh legs. The concept of one back being your workhouse for the entire game has been proven outdated. This league is an adapt or die league.

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[quote=vallin21;837690]Am I the only one that thinks Hightower is [B]slightly[/B] overrated as a runner? It took Hightower 20 carries to get to 96 yds, while Helu had 10 carries for 74 yds. The only knock on Helu is that he's not a good pass blocker.

Also, I'm not buying Shanahan's comment that Hightower was "tired". TH didn't play at all in the 2nd half, but for a couple of plays. I think Shanahan's seeing that Helu, with the exception of Pass Pro, is a more productive running and pass catching back than Hightower is.[/quote]

Not really. I think he does a good job on finding holes and falling forward for yards. You need a bruiser and a scat back to have a great offense, and we now have both.

You kinda pound them with Hightower, and then when the defense is tired.. Let Helu run around them. It's a big difference when you are out there attacking the same guy all day, and then a quicker/faster guy comes out and you feel like you have cement shoes.

I'm speaking from experience though.

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[quote=vallin21;837690]Am I the only one that thinks Hightower is [B]slightly[/B] overrated as a runner? It took Hightower 20 carries to get to 96 yds, while Helu had 10 carries for 74 yds. The only knock on Helu is that he's not a good pass blocker.

Also, I'm not buying Shanahan's comment that Hightower was "tired". TH didn't play at all in the 2nd half, but for a couple of plays. I think Shanahan's seeing that Helu, with the exception of Pass Pro, is a more productive running and pass catching back than Hightower is.[/quote]

I think TH may be a bit overrated...but I think the Cards were a bit too focused on him during the game (esp the likes of Darnell Dockett). On the Davis TD, I think the Cards were too sure of themselves that TH was going to run it. In the 2nd half, I think Shanahan went with the more productive RB, but also I think he wanted to go with the RB that didn't have the target on his back as well.

I like the way MS used two RBs this week and that's the way it should be. I think this should be an offense where it doesn't matter who is the #1 RB, because both should play.

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Who would have thought we wouldn't be missing either Clinton Portis or Ryan Torain going into the third game of the season.

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Here's the difference between Helu and Torain on a screen pass with identical blocking: there are defensive lineman in pursuit who will catch Torain after 14-16 yards. With Helu, good luck big guys. He's not slowing down to make his cuts, so chase him all you want, he's going to be running away from you,

Breakaway speed is so novel in this offense.

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Man coverage was really working for us in the first half, but we went away from it in the second half because of the injuries. That created lanes on the draw, and a number of quickly defined throws for Kolb who beat the pressure a number of times. There was also far less blitzing in the second half than the first, after the Cardinals showed a credible threat of a run.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;837544]CC isn't going anywhere. No sense in even discussing it.[/QUOTE]

But this is a lesson on GMing greatest....

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I didn't like the word chosen to describe Hightower's reason for being spelled. Guys are "tired" all of the time.

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[quote=vallin21;837690]Am I the only one that thinks Hightower is [B]slightly[/B] overrated as a runner? It took Hightower 20 carries to get to 96 yds, while Helu had 10 carries for 74 yds. The only knock on Helu is that he's not a good pass blocker.

Also, I'm not buying Shanahan's comment that Hightower was "tired". TH didn't play at all in the 2nd half, but for a couple of plays. I think Shanahan's seeing that Helu, with the exception of Pass Pro, is a more productive running and pass catching back than Hightower is.[/quote]

No, you are not the only one. I am glad that we have Hightower and he is a good banger as a runner. Plus you need multiple backs in the NFL. But he is good only, not great. I hope we see more of Helu as time goes by.

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Helu is a nice change of pace, but TH is still a baller too. They're a nice duo.

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How about that 4th and 3 call at the 18 when Rex hit Moss for the TD? Love the balls of that play call and the decision by Rex. That's why I can't fault us for not running the clock down at the end. I think the coaches have sent a clear message, we're going down swinging no matter what.

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[quote=GTripp0012;837717]Here's the difference between Helu and Torain on a screen pass with identical blocking: there are defensive lineman in pursuit who will catch Torain after 14-16 yards. With Helu, good luck big guys. He's not slowing down to make his cuts, so chase him all you want, he's going to be running away from you,

Breakaway speed is so novel in this offense.[/quote]

Helu is pretty amazing with how he can plant his foot and cut and not loose any speed. It's only a matter of time before breaks off some really big plays.

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[quote=GTripp0012;837723]Man coverage was really working for us in the first half, but we went away from it in the second half because of the injuries. That created lanes on the draw, and a number of quickly defined throws for Kolb who beat the pressure a number of times. There was also far less blitzing in the second half than the first, after the Cardinals showed a credible threat of a run.[/quote]
Yeah Tim Ryan was killing me with his whole "Arizona has made great adjustments". If you by adjustments you mean our entire secondary is backups and we can't actually run much more than base right now then yeah Arz made good adjustments. Otherwise what really happened was we had a bunch of special teamers playing in the secondary against maybe the best WR in the league and a half decent QB. We understandably had some trouble with that.

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[quote=Mattyk;837752]How about that 4th and 3 call at the 18 when Rex hit Moss for the TD? Love the balls of that play call and the decision by Rex. That's why I can't fault us for not running the clock down at the end. I think the coaches have sent a clear message, we're going down swinging no matter what.[/quote]

Great read by Rex. The play was meant to go to the flat for a first down but Rex recognized that Moss was singled and the CB peaked too hard. The safety had zero chance. Arizona has some major issues on defense.

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[quote=Mattyk;837752]How about that 4th and 3 call at the 18 when Rex hit Moss for the TD? Love the balls of that play call and the decision by Rex. That's why I can't fault us for not running the clock down at the end. I think the coaches have sent a clear message, we're going down swinging no matter what.[/quote]

that took some major balls.

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nevermind, snippy for no reason...HTTR

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Rak and Kerrigan had a great game. Fletcher was his usual self. Lot's of injuries in the secondary but we managed to hang on.

On offense, Rex had a good comeback game. Had a shaky start but finished well. That's tough to do. Fred Davis, Moss, TH, and Helu.

I've posted this before, but I went to the VaTech/Nebraska game a couple years ago. Watched their running back just tear it up. Didn't know who he was til that day but I was very impressed. He played against a pretty good VaTech D too. Obviously it was Helu Jr. I was very happy we drafted him then and he was great yesterday.

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[quote=redsk1;837770]Rak and Kerrigan had a great game. Fletcher was his usual self. Lot's of injuries in the secondary but we managed to hang on.

On offense, Rex had a good comeback game. Had a shaky start but finished well. That's tough to do. Fred Davis, Moss, TH, and Helu.

I've posted this before, [B]but I went to the VaTech/Nebraska game a couple years ago. Watched their running back just tear it up. Didn't know who he was til that day but I was very impressed. He played against a pretty good VaTech D too. Obviously it was Helu Jr. I was very happy we drafted him then and he was great yesterday[/B].[/quote]

I've known about Helu since I watched that game as well. When I was watching him tear up Tech's d I couldn't help but think, "why can't we have a guy like that in a Skins uni." This was before Shanny's time of course, but when I heard we drafted him I was excited, and I've been excited since. He's the type of burner Portis never was while he was here.

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[quote=mooby;837838]I've known about Helu since I watched that game as well. When I was watching him tear up Tech's d I couldn't help but think, "why can't we have a guy like that in a Skins uni." This was before Shanny's time of course, but when I heard we drafted him I was excited, and I've been excited since. [B]He's the type of burner Portis never was while he was here.[/B][/quote]

You are correct. But Helu reminds me of the youthful Portis in Denver - quick feet, can accelerate rather than decelerate through cuts, and speed to burn.

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How about our boy D.Young popping a nice little run. I would like to see Royster and Hank activated before the season's over.

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Did anyone else watch Helu on the Big Ten Network this week?

They replayed his game vs. Mizzou/Blaine Gabbert. [B]Helu ran for 308 yards[/B]...busted off several 70 yarders and it looked like he was running against kids.

Gomes had an interception and Niles Paul looked great as a WR...and they were kicking away from him as a returner.

All of our draft picks looked great that game, but Helu was unbelievable.

I have it DVR'd but watch out for it to be on again. Big Ten Network's Greatest Games.

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Kerrigan - the guy was EVERYWHERE.

Fred Davis - is officially out of my doghouse. [B]I am declaring myself a Fred Davis fan.[/B] Despite all the catches and yards, his best catch was on that quick out on 3rd down in the 4th quarter. I actually count on him to make big catches now. Amazing turnaround, keep it up.

London - a few times during the game I asked myself "Who was that kid chasing the QB? That kid's fast!", only to realize it was none other than the ageless wonder. Is it possible he's still getting better?? It's a true privilege having Fletch as a Redskin.

OL - not a perfect game but way better than last week, especially in pass pro. I was hard on TW and the OL last week so wanted to give props.

Others - Santana, Rak, Good Rex, HighHelu, Gaffney, Gano, coaches, and more...

GUTSY WIN BY THE NFC EAST LEADERS

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;837914]Kerrigan - the guy was EVERYWHERE.

Fred Davis - is officially out of my doghouse. [B]I am declaring myself a Fred Davis fan.[/B] Despite all the catches and yards, his best catch was on that quick out on 3rd down in the 4th quarter. I actually count on him to make big catches now. Amazing turnaround, keep it up.

London - a few times during the game I asked myself "Who was that kid chasing the QB? That kid's fast!", only to realize it was none other than the ageless wonder. Is it possible he's still getting better?? It's a true privilege having Fletch as a Redskin.

OL - not a perfect game but way better than last week, especially in pass pro. I was hard on TW and the OL last week so wanted to give props.

Others - Santana, Rak, Good Rex, HighHelu, Gaffney, Gano, coaches, and more...

[B][I]GUTSY WIN BY THE NFC EAST LEADERS[/quote][/I][/B]

all HAIL!!!!!!