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Hall is an ass. Talk smack but take blame. Sometimes he does, but really gonna put this on the coach? How about prevent a guy from getting 21 yards lol?

What happens if you play zone deep and they get a 15-20 completion down the middle and get a 4th down conversion. how many times have we seen that happen before? I am happy Haslett is fearless and blitzed. Our guys just didn't get there. Dhall still has to do better. And perhaps Haslett could have kept another guy on Dhalls man, but no need to go after your coach. We talk about having character guys all the time. Is calling out your coach good character? Really?

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[quote=dgack;841488]While this is true, I can still hate on Dallas, for the simple fact that the media love-fest for Romo is (once again) covering up for the fact that their team was really, really bad last night. (Anyone want odds that this wasn't a fluke?)

DeAngelo Hall has always been a mediocre player who makes a couple of highlight reel plays a year and gets burned just as frequently, if not more. The problem is all the yapping. We expunged guys like Haynesworth and Portis for similar attitudes. The main difference between those guys and Hall seems to be that Hall practices hard.

Maybe Fletcher and 30 will tell him to shut the hell up and let his play do the talking for the rest of the year. Haslett should bench his ass for calling out the coaches, though. Right or not, you just don't do that.[/quote]
No argument, the Cowboys really were bad last night. But I'd be careful about stating that because they were just bad enough to win.

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[quote=dgack;841488]While this is true, I can still hate on Dallas, for the simple fact that the media love-fest for Romo is (once again) covering up for the fact that their team was really, really bad last night. (Anyone want odds that this wasn't a fluke?)

DeAngelo Hall has always been a mediocre player who makes a couple of highlight reel plays a year and gets burned just as frequently, if not more. The problem is all the yapping. We expunged guys like Haynesworth and Portis for similar attitudes. The main difference between those guys and Hall seems to be that Hall practices hard.

Maybe Fletcher and 30 will tell him to shut the hell up and let his play do the talking for the rest of the year. Haslett should bench his ass for calling out the coaches, though. Right or not, you just don't do that.[/quote]

Finger pointing often occurs when teams suffer a loss. It's equal among both players and fans alike. This is what dirty thirty had to say in rebuttal to Hall.

"Safety LaRon Landry was asked about Haslett’s decision to send eight men rather than play prevent defense on third-and-21, and he said, “We were put in some positions to execute and didn’t do that, but we can’t go against the call, can’t finger point. Whatever’s called, we’re not the coaches, we just have to execute.”

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[quote=sandtrapjack;841492]No argument, the Cowboys really were bad last night. But I'd be careful about stating that because they were just bad enough to win.[/quote]

It's all relative. The difference between DAL and WAS is that one of us is a team whose goals for this season were probably to win some games and get better on both sides of the ball, and the other team was expected to contend for the division title.

Or, to put it another way: a lost opportunity is always a bad thing. But I'll take a lost opportunity at the end of a game where the lesser team played up to the competition over a sloppy win from a more talented team that played down to theirs and barely escaped.

We'll find out next week who both of these teams are. If Dallas beats Detroit and we lose to St. Louis that will be one thing. If Detroit runs over the Boys and we put away the Rams, it will be quite another.

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[quote=Longtimefan;841495]Finger pointing often occurs when teams suffer a loss. It's equal among both players and fans alike. This is what dirty thirty had to say in rebuttal to Hall.

"Safety LaRon Landry was asked about Haslett’s decision to send eight men rather than play prevent defense on third-and-21, and he said, “We were put in some positions to execute and didn’t do that, but we can’t go against the call, can’t finger point. Whatever’s called, we’re not the coaches, we just have to execute.”[/quote]

This is why most people (including a ton of Skins fans, myself included) hate Hall. This is all he needs to say. The entire world saw that blitz package and thought "oh wow, risky call" and nobody blames Hall. But he has to blurt out that it isn't his fault.

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If he's going to point a finger I wish he would have said something like "we would have won that game easy if Kyle Shanahan wasn't acting like a complete jackass all night. Rex Grossman can kiss my butt for playing so mediocre and if he comes near me right now I'm going to bitch slap him for wasting a strong defensive effort."

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[quote=dgack;841501]This is why most people (including a ton of Skins fans, myself included) hate Hall. This is all he needs to say. The entire world saw that blitz package and thought "oh wow, risky call" and nobody blames Hall. But he has to blurt out that it isn't his fault.[/quote]

Hall went one on one and lost the battle. The whole rest of the D went after one guy and lost the battle. They failed to execute as a team. But, Hall needs to just STFU and play from this point on...

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F Hall and his BS, though can't really say I'm surprised. Maybe this will finally put an end to the ridiculous pro bowl talk. The guy is a #2 CB who occasionally makes a highlight play, that's it. Pro bowler my ass.

I was actually starting to like the guy as he seemed more focused on coverage and tackling this year, but this game set him back 5 steps. And of course the real problem is his BIG MOUTH. :cussing:

He should keep his mouth shut and take some pointers from our real #1 CB Josh Wilson.

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[quote=SmootSmack;841433]I wish Hall would keep quiet, though he does blame himself often. He's such a polarizing figure[/quote]

This.

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[quote=Longtimefan;841464]I agree with the coach....Coach Mike Shanahan defended Haslett’s decision, saying “You could go back and second-guess everything. At the end of the day, we had a chance to have the sack there, and he did a good job scrambling, made a play, and hey, it happens. That’s the nature of this game. … Hey, it didn’t work, and Romo made a play.”

Had we gotten the sack there, second guessing would not have been an option. The tally would have been what a great job the defense did..... S**t happens.[/quote]

Exactly. D hall needs to control his rants we know he runs his mouth and that will never change, but throwing your d coordinator under the bus is unacceptable. I really hope he gets reprimanded by the staff, possibly sit out the first drive or two vs the rams, calling out the coach publicly is completely unacceptable.

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[QUOTE]I really hope he gets reprimanded by the staff, possibly sit out the first drive or two vs the rams, calling out the coach publicly is completely unacceptable.[/QUOTE]

Think about it: with Haynesworth, McNabb and Portis gone, D.Hall is the "diva" guy who the press goes to when they need a sensational quote or to manufacture some drama.

Someone needs to explain to him that his mouth is writing checks his ass can't cash, and all he's doing is painting himself into a corner that makes him look bad.

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[quote=dgack;841535]Think about it: with Haynesworth, McNabb and Portis gone, D.Hall is the "diva" guy who the press goes to when they need a sensational quote or to manufacture some drama.

Someone needs to explain to him that his mouth is writing checks his ass can't cash, and all he's doing is painting himself into a corner that makes him look bad.[/quote]

This. I like D.Hall and all, but there's just some times when he needs to stfu. I guess he's assumed the role of head talker and all now that C.Po, Haynesworth, etc. are gone.

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[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Did-Redskins-Haslett-make-the-right-call-in-the-final-minutes.html]Did Redskins' Haslett make the right call in the final minutes? | National Football Post[/url]

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I may be the lone fan here, but on 3rd and 21 I'd do that blitz all day. That blitz had been working all night. Romo with the slightest bit of pressure was rushing throws to protect himself. If the receiver has to get 21 yards, blitz like hell and make our corners stay close in coverage and get an immediate tackle. Our pressure didn't make it and let Dez get too far up field. In that situation I'd hope to see the same defensive play calls a million times.

DHall is a trash coverage corner. He was playing better this season, but he's given up a game changing play the last two weeks. He has yet to make a position game changing play.

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I actually don't dislike the 8 man blitz on that third down, i just dislike how it was exacuted. you have to cover romo's rollout side, have two guys coming from that side to get him if he flushes out. Its not not the 8 man blitz that pissed me off, its the way it was executed.

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[quote=skinster;841573]I actually don't dislike the 8 man blitz on that third down, i just dislike how it was exacuted. you have to cover romo's rollout side, have two guys coming from that side to get him if he flushes out. Its not not the 8 man blitz that pissed me off, its the way it was executed.[/quote]
i agree. no contain on the righthanded romo's roll out side.

fletch said in postgame interview romo called a slide protection . . .still dont understand the 7 down men with their hands in the dirt, why not even try to disguise it alil to hope romo stays in the pocket for a second . .he knew before snap he was rolling back n out to his right b/c we didnt even bother to disguise the allout blitz.

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[quote=over the mountain;841473]yeah, im not a big fan of d hall, i dont hate the man either but i dont blame him for the dez catch.

it was basically him and dez alone on that entire half of the field (the side of the field romo would roll to since hes right handed and not have to throw across his body), alone for 5 plus seconds with dez ... most WR could get separation in that situation.

im surprised so many call in fans are blaming hall. oh well . . .should have never put 7-8 down lineman in that situation imo . . . basically told romo what you were going to do and he knew he had to roll back and to his right, buy time until dez got some room on hall . . .[/quote]I think it would have been prudent for Hall to use the 21 yards to go to his advantage.

Sure, it's easy to second guess him now for playing aggressive assuming the ball would come out fast (because it had all day...so the call couldn't have been that bad). But I don't think Antoine Winfield gives up a first down there. I think knowing the game situation is critical.

The playcall unquestionably put Hall in a tough spot, and the reason the Cowboys won the play had nothing to do with Hall. But still, it's probably not asking too much of a $9 mil a year corner to prevent a 21+ yard completion in a one on one situation. Even one without great cover skills.

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I love Steinberg.

"For a different approach to discussing this play, please observe London Fletcher, talking to Comcast SportsNet’s Kelli Johnson."

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/london-fletcher-on-the-3rd-and-21/2011/09/27/gIQAbEFR2K_blog.html]London Fletcher on the 3rd-and-21 - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Hog1;841420]Not to worry....he'll be a Patriot next season.......[/quote]



...or an Eagle.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;841463]I agree about the bad officiating. We also got away with at least two false starts that were quite obvious.[/quote]and a blatant hold/trip too.

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Typical prima dona stuff. He shot his mouth off, got beat, and now wants to deflect that fact onto others. Yeah Rex sucked, yeah the halftime adjustments weren't very good, and the 3rd and 21 send everything and the kitchen sink blitz was way too risky, but he didn't play to a very high level compared to the other guys on the D. Rex should have won the game for the D's exemplary effort. Hall did OK, but it wasn't his best game. We also got lucky with some non calls our way, so the refs weren't one sided. Not saying they called a great game, but it wasn't a Cowboys lovefest as with the media.

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we lost ... the play calling blew on both sides of the ball.... I don't care wat hall said ... we lost.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;841667]Typical prima dona stuff. He shot his mouth off, got beat, and now wants to deflect that fact onto others. Yeah Rex sucked, yeah the halftime adjustments weren't very good, and the 3rd and 21 send everything and the kitchen sink blitz was way too risky, but he didn't play to a very high level compared to the other guys on the D. Rex should have won the game for the D's exemplary effort. Hall did OK, but it wasn't his best game. We also got lucky with some non calls our way, so the refs weren't one sided. Not saying they called a great game, but it wasn't a Cowboys lovefest as with the media.[/quote]

They beat us plain and simple, move on to STL.. I'm already over the L. Shit happens

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Clinton, is that you?

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I'll be training in S FL @ The U. ..........

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notice how he only talks big right before he's going to have a crappy game or right afterwards?

if you can't back it up, stop talking. I'm tired of seeing him get beat big.

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[quote=That Guy;841733]notice how he only talks big right before he's going to have a crappy game or right afterwards?

if you can't back it up, stop talking. I'm tired of seeing him get beat big.[/quote]

The worst is that "vinny the village idiot" signed him to a ridiculous contract and he's no better than Carlos Rogers or Fred Smoot, hell maybe even Ade Imoh. Do you guys wonder why 2 other teams cut him?

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2 other teams cut him? News to me

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[quote=SmootSmack;841745]2 other teams cut him? News to me[/quote]

Correction. Got rid of his ineptitude.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;841744]The worst is that "vinny the village idiot" signed him to a ridiculous contract and he's no better than Carlos Rogers or Fred Smoot, hell maybe even Ade Imoh. Do you guys wonder why 2 other teams cut him?[/quote]

I don't think Hall would be so much of a problem if he wasn't such an angry prick about everything. He talks his talent up like he's Revis then comes out and plays like Leigh Torrance. (Oh, oh, remember him?)

Okay, Hall isn't that bad. I actually think he's a decent CB, but really he's turning into the Kanye West of the team.

He's developing (or maybe always had?) the "It's not me, its them" mentality.

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I think we've got a new "indicator". When Hall talks big to the media, we lose. There is money to be made from his mouth. ;)

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[quote=DynamiteRave;841747]I don't think Hall would be so much of a problem if he wasn't such an angry prick about everything. He talks his talent up like he's Revis then comes out and plays like Leigh Torrance. (Oh, oh, remember him?)

Okay, Hall isn't that bad. I actually think he's a decent CB, but really he's turning into the Kanye West of the team.

He's developing (or maybe always had?) the "It's not me, its them" mentality.[/quote]

leigh torrence had a sack and 2 pass defenses this week... which is 3 more plays then hall, who shot zeros in both.

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[quote=That Guy;841754]leigh torrence had a sack and 2 pass defenses this week... which is 3 more plays then hall, who shot zeros in both.[/quote]

Damn. Didn't even know that guy was still around. Go him.

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I find it ironic how much D. Hall and his hatters/apologists are alike...they both talk too much and are a usually a big distraction from bigger issues/bigger pictures.

Fans in here become crybabies when it comes to this guy and it is getting kinda old. You'd think there'd be threads complaining about Grossman, the playcalling, the RBs, etc., etc.

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[quote=That Guy;841754]leigh torrence had a sack and 2 pass defenses this week... [B]which is 3 more plays then hall, who shot zeros in both.[/B][/quote]

Now that's just not true. Dez Bryant did little apart from that last play. Dhall played like he did against the Cards - solid all game except for one terrible play which had tragic consequences.

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[quote=Ruhskins;841759]I find it ironic how much D. Hall and his hatters/apologists are alike...they both talk too much and are a usually a big distraction from bigger issues/bigger pictures.

Fans in here become crybabies when it comes to this guy and it is getting kinda old. You'd think there'd be threads complaining about Grossman, the playcalling, the RBs, etc., etc.[/quote]

That's a pretty lame analogy. Hall sometimes says dumb things and doesn't back them up. What that has to do with fans pointing out that he'd be better off just shutting up and playing? That's less clear.

And there's plenty of Grossman and Kyle bashing going on, not sure what gives you the impression there wasn't?

If it's not obvious, the main reason Hall is picked on is the same reason guys like Doughty get treated with kid gloves; nobody likes a guy who runs his mouth and then plays badly. Everyone likes a guy who keeps quiet and tries hard, even if he comes up short.

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[quote=dgack;841779]That's a pretty lame analogy. Hall sometimes says dumb things and doesn't back them up. What that has to do with fans pointing out that he'd be better off just shutting up and playing? That's less clear.

And there's plenty of Grossman and Kyle bashing going on, not sure what gives you the impression there wasn't?

If it's not obvious, the main reason Hall is picked on is the same reason guys like Doughty get treated with kid gloves; nobody likes a guy who runs his mouth and then plays badly. Everyone likes a guy who keeps quiet and tries hard, even if he comes up short.[/quote]

There's a difference between fans criticizing a guy like Hall (like most of us), and then there are the people that go out of their way to [U]bash or defend[/U] Hall. I think at least one thread has been locked in the past b/c of this somewhat tiring debate about Hall.

I am by no way defending Hall, he makes tons of mistakes, including letting Bryant get a big possession. And he runs his mouth too much and needs to STFU. But personally I don't think he is worth multiple threads. People just loooove to complain I guess.

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[quote]People just loooove to complain I guess.[/quote]Yeah, that's an understatement. But complaining takes energy and only people who care have the energy to post (whether it's positive or negative).

I'll take complainers who bleed Burgundy and Gold over bandwagoneers like the 90% of Dallas fans who have never set foot in Texas any day of the week.

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[quote=dgack;841785]Yeah, that's an understatement. But complaining takes energy and only people who care have the energy to post (whether it's positive or negative).

[B]I'll take complainers who bleed Burgundy and Gold over bandwagoneers like the 90% of Dallas fans who have never set foot in Texas any day of the week.[/B][/quote]

Good point.

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I mean a lot of people made some glaring mistakes yesterday. Barnes and his PI, Jammal Brown and his poor blocking in the 4th, Kyle and his playcalling, Rex and his ugly INT and fumble, Gaffney and his poor clock management, Banks and his poor field management, Rocca and his poor hands, and so on...but no one but Hall went and threw others under the bus after the game.

If this thread was only about Hall blowing the play the thread wouldn't have lasted this long. But it's more than that