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[quote=rbanerjee23;843793]Ooof, that hit was painful -- hope he plows over some of the new Eagles in two weeks[/quote]

It seemed to me that 75% of Torrain's runs were in 2nd and long.
I'd love to see some 3rd and 2's.
Once we are able to do that, we may become a playoff team that scores Redzone running TDs.

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[quote=mooby;843798]Was it easy to predict the ball would bounce off Santana Moss' chest and into the Rams' db? Or was it easy to predict that it was 3rd and long and we were on the outskirts of field goal range so they knew they had to pass to keep the drive alive?

As said on ESPN, come on man.[/quote]

I remembered 3rd and 3 or so...what was predictable was a short pass, not the pick...my point is why would you not run the ball to seal the game at 20-0?
Folks complained about over aggressive play calling last week with the D last week when we lost the game in a critical 3rd and long, this was an equally critical 3rd and short and we didn't need to gamble with a 17 point lead.

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Throwing on short yardage isn't much of a "gamble" to me, and these coaches have shown they are going to be aggressive. Gotta keep the pedal down in this league.

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[quote=Mattyk;843799]Moss & Hightower both dropped catchable balls that killed drives.[/quote]

Agreed, but as you pointed out, Grossman struggles with underneath stuff. The picks and near picks Grossman seems to throw are between the tackles under 10 yards. I just worry about those 3rd and 5 situations...that is the defenses best shot and getting a pick with a safety or LB against Grossman...They know it...so should our OC....why not run or direct him to do a pump and go or throw deep?
Just some ideas to help cover Grossman's weakness

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I think Grossman's struggles underneath are directly correlated to the Skins Red Zone troubles, which is why we really need to establish short yardage running as an alternative....or a fade or something. Why is it Grossman only throws picks in the redzone of either side?...it must be the defense in aggressive situations

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[quote=skinsnut;843807]I think Grossman's struggles underneath are directly correlated to the Skins Red Zone troubles, which is why we really need to establish short yardage running as an alternative....or a fade or something. Why is it Grossman only throws picks in the redzone of either side?...it must be the defense in aggressive situations[/quote]

I don't think either pick came in the RZ today

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[quote=Mattyk;843883]I don't think either pick came in the RZ today[/quote]

:confused: I agree. His first pick wasn't even in the redzone, it was on the opposing half of the field. His second pick was on our half of the field. That doesn't show a redzone problem, that shows a pick throwing problem. And that's being kind considering the first pick was Moss' fault.

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[quote=mooby;843897]:confused: I agree. His first pick wasn't even in the redzone, it was on the opposing half of the field. His second pick was on our half of the field. That doesn't show a redzone problem, that shows a pick throwing problem. [B]And that's being kind considering the first pick was Moss' fault.[/B][/quote]

That first pick was ALL Moss, except that your average fan just reacts without looking at the whole picture. The ball hit Moss right on the hands, he should've caught that.

The second pick was ALL Rex.

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play calling wasn't good today on offense. Rex like people have said, doesn't see underneath coverage. I would definitely start giving Beck more reps like he and Rex are fighting for the starting spot. I'm excited that our secondary is going to be more improved after the Bye week with Buchanon coming back.

Brandon Banks isn't really anything special--yet--on special teams for us this year.

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Didnt get to see the game,but from reading the comments seems most people think Kyle is doing a piss poor job playcalling.This is exactly the reason I didnt like this hire.Were stuck with kyle so long as his Dads the coach,nepotism at its finest.
At the start of the season I voted for Rex to be the starter,now I wouldnt mind seeing what Beck can do.At 3-1 its not going to happen.
While I wouldnt say Rex caused us to lose last week,he did keep us from winning,if that makes sense.If he doesnt fumble we have a good shot at the fg,he should have been holding the ball better,no question.From watching the replays the int he did throw today that was his fault was terrible but it looked like somehow our defense bailed us out and kept the Rams from scoring,so he lucked out there.
Also,Matty why was the gameday thread closed,did I miss something,ive never seen that before?

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I thought the play calling was fine. People wanted to run, well we ran.

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[quote=Mattyk;843948]I thought the play calling was fine. People wanted to run, well we ran.[/quote]

Other than the constant bootlegs, which are only good in small doses, I didn't have an issue with it. And in hindsight putting the ball in Grossman's hands with the lead late in the game that led to the pick that was his fault, well that was a bad call, but at the time I completely understood it. That's just the aggressiveness of his playcalling, which I want in a offensive coordinator. The only problem is the personnel don't really fit the aggressive scheme (I'm looking at Grossman here).

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Rex is capable of playing better. Not sure what his problem has been of late, but I think he knows he needs to get it in gear.

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[quote=htownskinfan;843936]Didnt get to see the game,but from reading the comments seems most people think Kyle is doing a piss poor job playcalling.This is exactly the reason I didnt like this hire.Were stuck with kyle so long as his Dads the coach,nepotism at its finest.
At the start of the season I voted for Rex to be the starter,now I wouldnt mind seeing what Beck can do.At 3-1 its not going to happen.
While I wouldnt say Rex caused us to lose last week,he did keep us from winning,if that makes sense.If he doesnt fumble we have a good shot at the fg,he should have been holding the ball better,no question.From watching the replays the int he did throw today that was his fault was terrible but it looked like somehow our defense bailed us out and kept the Rams from scoring,so he lucked out there.
Also,Matty why was the gameday thread closed,did I miss something,ive never seen that before?[/quote]

Right, because every dad spoils his son and never punishes them. Mike has an ego, and I doubt his son has had no experience of Angry and Competitive Mike.

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[quote=htownskinfan;843936]Didnt get to see the game,but from reading the comments seems most people think Kyle is doing a piss poor job playcalling.This is exactly the reason I didnt like this hire.Were stuck with kyle so long as his Dads the coach,nepotism at its finest.
At the start of the season I voted for Rex to be the starter,now I wouldnt mind seeing what Beck can do.At 3-1 its not going to happen.
While I wouldnt say Rex caused us to lose last week,he did keep us from winning,if that makes sense.If he doesnt fumble we have a good shot at the fg,he should have been holding the ball better,no question.From watching the replays the int he did throw today that was his fault was terrible but it looked like somehow our defense bailed us out and kept the Rams from scoring,so he lucked out there.
Also,Matty why was the gameday thread closed,did I miss something,ive never seen that before?[/quote]

Because at the end nobody was talking about the game.

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[quote=Mattyk;843954]Rex is capable of playing better. Not sure what his problem has been of late, but I think he knows he needs to get it in gear.[/quote]

True, but I think Rex works better when you don't put all the pressure on him. He's never gonna be the "put the team on his back" type, and I think you need an elite passer if you want to be aggressive all the time in this league.

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Listening to the post game, Al Galdi suggested that "this is who Rex is. This is who he has always been. Capable of great games and NOT so great games". I think that pretty much says it all.
BUT if the Shanny's really thought JB was ready, he'd be in.
On the good side, we're 3-1, leading the division and going in to the bye. This Rex/Beck....thing will not have much merit next year.......
If if I were Kyle S, I would seriously be calling games to take ALL the stress off Rex as is possible as 3rd and long...ain't a long term path for success with Rex.
HTTR!

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[quote=Mattyk;843954]Rex is capable of playing better. Not sure what his problem has been of late, but I think he knows he needs to get it in gear.[/quote]

I dunno....remember its R e x G r o s s m a n we are talking about.
I dont think it gets any better than this.

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All has been pretty much covered but I'm especially perplexed w/ Banks still having a job. With three very solid RBs in rotation why don't we have one guy on KR? And Niles Paul could do PR right?

...frees up a roster spot...for Curry :)

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[quote=Alvin Walton;844005]I dunno....remember its R e x G r o s s m a n we are talking about.
I dont think it gets any better than this.[/quote]

yeah kinda sums up my feeling with Rex.

See my biggest effing problem is I like to see my players get better as the season goes on....Rex started great and progressively gotten terrible.

Pull up the numbers today, it frightenly bad how Rex played. Silver lining is we still won...but his play just keeps getting worse. Play like that on the road vs any other team woulda resulted in a lose.

I kinda expect Rex to play much better against St. Louis, that play today was sincerely "old, bad Rex". I dont like that guy

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Might be time to give Paul or someone else a shot on returns, but I don't think the blocking has been anything special either.

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One way to make Rex look really bad.

Pressure him and put a blanket on Moss. He's bound to throw atleast 2 INT's, but he will have some big plays too.

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This Gaffney pickup is beginning to look very very good. Somebody Rex has confidence in and it shows..

As for the defense, I think Rocky is quickly becoming a game changer, rather than a fill in.

It's an ugly 3-1 record, but I think we can all agree that it's very satisfying.

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3-1, first place in the division, I'm not complaining.

Sure beats being a 1-3 dream team.

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[quote=Mattyk;844038]3-1, first place in the division, I'm not complaining.

Sure beats being a 1-3 dream team.[/quote]

Even if the Eagles do manage to get it together, I still don't understand how people can keep getting hyped about a team that goes out and makes a bunch of big splash free agent signings in the offseason. I thought we taught people that lesson. Sure, it could work, but more often than not it fails. Look at the SB champions of the last decade, how many of them went out the offseason before and loaded up on big names that helped them deliver a title?

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[quote=Mattyk;844026]Might be time to give Paul or someone else a shot on returns, but I don't think the blocking has been anything special either.[/quote]

Gotta think they'll give Philip Buchanon a look on punt return's moving forward.

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[quote=mooby;844052]Even if the Eagles do manage to get it together, I still don't understand how people can keep getting hyped about a team that goes out and makes a bunch of big splash free agent signings in the offseason. I thought we taught people that lesson. Sure, it could work, but more often than not it fails. Look at the SB champions of the last decade, how many of them went out the offseason before and loaded up on big names that helped them deliver a title?[/quote]

It sure is nice to see someone else crashing and burning after winning the offseason championship isn't it?

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[quote=GMScud;844058]Gotta think they'll give Philip Buchanon a look on punt return's moving forward.[/quote]

Uh, no.

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[quote=Mattyk;844065]It sure is nice to see someone else crashing and burning after winning the offseason championship isn't it?[/quote]

Yup. It was Andy Reid going all in to make one last run before he hangs it up. Unless he's gonna coach for another 15 years, he knows his window for a championship is about as big as Mike Vick's prime years are long- 2 to 3 more seasons at best. Might as well load up on talent, right? I don't see him coaching for more than another season or two before he goes the route of Jeff Fisher.

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[quote=Mattyk;844065]It sure is nice to see someone else crashing and burning after winning the offseason championship isn't it?[/quote]

Yep. :pimp:

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I think there is blame to be shared among Rex, Kyle, and perhaps others, but I am troubled by the fact that with very good pretection today, we managed something like a paltry 163 yards passing. Our run game looked very good -- no doubt. But to fail to throw for 200 against that awful Rams defense makes me wonder what we're not doing right at this stage of the season.

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As always John Keim with great reporting on the football side of things.

[QUOTE]7. Oh, Rex, Rex, Rex. Before we put any blame on him for the interception, we must say this: Santana Moss and Hightower both dropped passes that would have resulted in first downs and more in the fourth quarter. And Grossman had a couple nice throws, including the TD to Moss in which they worked the wide side of the field well.

The play in which he was picked off by James Laurinaitis is one they use a lot. And the play-action typically opens a seam for the pass to Moss. But Laurinaitis had the speed to make up for being sucked in by the fake. And Grossman forced the ball, maybe because that play has worked so often – especially from their own end of the field -- and he just expected it to work again. But it was a very poor decision. Can’t blame Grossman for his first interception (it bounced off Moss’ hands), but this one at this time in the game was terrible.

I wish the Redskins had come out running a little bit. Finish it off strong with some power. But they started the game this way, too, feeling they could suck up the Rams with play action and hurt them deep. Didn’t work then either. Grossman got away with two other passes that could have, or should have, been picked. What’s the credo? Never throw back to the middle of the field when rolling out? Plays like this are why some scouts/experts think he’ll never change. Those plays are about a mindset, not a system. I know other quarterbacks make bad plays, but this happens a couple times every game. But let’s not start calling for John Beck just yet. The Redskins are 3-1 and Beck’s decision making in his final two preseason starts wasn’t the best, either. For the time being this is Grossman’s team.[/QUOTE]



Read more at the Washington Examiner: [url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/redskins/2011/10/ten-observations-redskins-17-rams-10#ixzz1ZgkiVJKj]Ten observations: Redskins 17, Rams 10 | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;843758]@Russellmania980
Chris Russell
Mike Shanahan when asked if Ryan Torain will be starter vs Philly said "This will be fun. I'll play this game with you guys all week."[/quote]Torain against Philly actually wouldn't be a bad idea.

Torain is the bad team punisher. If we're playing a defense that can't tackle and is poor at staying in it's run gaps (two hallmarks of bad run defense teams), Torain runs hard enough to make them pay for being bad.

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[quote=GTripp0012;844133]Torain against Philly actually wouldn't be a bad idea.

Torain is the bad team punisher. If we're playing a defense that can't tackle and is poor at staying in it's run gaps (two hallmarks of bad run defense teams), Torain runs hard enough to make them pay for being bad.[/quote]

Torain is a great physical back that none of the eagles LB's or secondary could cover. Quick name me all the eagles starting LBs....


exactly you can't because their no names who suck. Supposedly 5'9 rookie Brian Rolle of Ohio St is a new OLB for them over Casey Matthews. Then you have Fokou from maryland who can't cover or tackle in space. And don't forget Jamar Chaney who bites a lot on play action and overruns plays and takes bad angles. I like our chances in 2 weeks.

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[B]Walt Coleman[/B] This was not a great week for NFL officiating, but I can't say my expectations for this crew were any higher than what they got. When you lose control of a game, make sure to throw a bunch of 15 yard flags on one team, but not the other.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;844157]Torain is a great physical back that none of the eagles LB's or secondary could cover. Quick name me all the eagles starting LBs....


exactly you can't because their no names who suck. Supposedly 5'9 rookie Brian Rolle of Ohio St is a new OLB for them over Casey Matthews. Then you have Fokou from maryland who can't cover or tackle in space. And don't forget Jamar Chaney who bites a lot on play action and overruns plays and takes bad angles. I like our chances in 2 weeks.[/quote]Hey, I [U]can[/U] name all the Eagles LBs.

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I think the "coaches" on here should lay off Haslett and his blitz packages and when he uses it. Look, we are the best in the NFL on 3rd for a reason. I think its because of Haslett not inspite of Haslett. He has turned this defense (so far) into the defense that can hold opponents down and win games for us. Holding the Giants to 14, the Cowboys to 6 FG's, the Rams to under 200 yards for the game. I know its the Rams, but holding any NFL team to a total yardage of under 200 is impressive in my book.

SO.....let the man call his game. He obviously has the confidence in our corners and safeties to get the job done on those blitzes. if he didn't he would be calling them.

Or he is calling them to cover up the inability of the corners to cover?? Having guys that can't cover only cover for 1 to 2 seconds vs 3 or 4 seconds is a big difference.

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[quote=SmootSmack;843619]Here we go

[B]Rex Grossman[/B] Overall he didn't have a bad game. He was actually quite solid up until the final quarter, including a nice TD pass to Moss and some nice throws to Gaffney. And the first INT along with the dropped Hightower pass on 3rd and short were not even remotely Rex's fault. All that said for the second week in a row he faltered when it was "clutch time" Very poor decision on the Laurianitis INT and a poor throw to Moss on 3rd down late in the 4th quarter. Rex can't keep making those mistakes. Still..."We're 3-1 inspite of Rex" is an argument I just don't buy...at all.

[B]Brandon Banks[/B] No idea what you're doing dude. Actually I suspect Banks thinks (perhaps with reason) his job is hanging by a thread so he needs to bust out a big return to justify his spot on the roster. But you're killing the team with some of these returns.

[B]Penalties[/B] We played sloppy today. What did we have 10 penalties? More? We had 10 the first three games of the season.

[B]FOX Sports Broadcast[/B] Not a good effort. Feed kept going in and out. Crazy aerial camera angles...on running plays. No sideline reporters. Not like FOX

[B]Kyle Shanahan[/B] In my opinion one of the brightest offensive minds in the NFL. But he doesn't have to remind everyone of it all the time. Keep it simple stupid[/quote]

Grossman consistently makes throws that a rookie makes. He did it 4-5 times yesterday. A TD was flat out dropped. I've seen enough. Put in Beck. Grossman is what he is.

Banks will not be in the roster by the end of the year.

The penalties were out of control. What a painful game to watch. Every other play there was a flag.

Kyle still think he's in Houston.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;843662]0 blitz rules! Don't be a girl. Real men use 0 blitz. Yesterday I was in a bar trying to pick up a chick. Rather then walking up to her and simply saying "hi" I said "I want to f**k you." 0 blitz for the win!

Also I wanted a raise from my boss so what did I do. Ran into his office, tackled him, and demanded a raise! 0 blitz FTW!

Also I wanted to get a game free from Gamestop so after I got out of jail on bail I ran to my local shop jumped over the counter and grabbed a copy of Wii Fit. 0 blitz FTW[/quote]

Dirt, this made my day & it's still early! thank you, this was absolutely inspiring! Can't stop laughing to myself.

I'm going to change all of my long-range plans & incorporate the 0 blitz. don't worry I'll quote you, you can patent the "0 blitz business plan". Too bad Billy Mays isn't around to do the infomercial.

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[quote=#56fanatic;844168]I think the "coaches" on here should lay off Haslett and his blitz packages and when he uses it. Look, we are the best in the NFL on 3rd for a reason. I think its because of Haslett not inspite of Haslett. He has turned this defense (so far) into the defense that can hold opponents down and win games for us. Holding the Giants to 14, the Cowboys to 6 FG's, the Rams to under 200 yards for the game. I know its the Rams, but holding any NFL team to a total yardage of under 200 is impressive in my book.

SO.....let the man call his game. He obviously has the confidence in our corners and safeties to get the job done on those blitzes. if he didn't he would be calling them.

Or he is calling them to cover up the inability of the corners to cover?? Having guys that can't cover only cover for 1 to 2 seconds vs 3 or 4 seconds is a big difference.[/quote]

Gotta figure we'll see more deep zone v. Philly, don't give up the big play, make Vick lead drives. I think we were best yesterday when we played for coverage & only rushed 4 or 5. We now have the front that can get consistent pressure. I think that's the way to play philly - bend, don't break.