[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;849175]So lets say Denver does want to draft a new QB.
Would you trade Orakpo for Tebow?

(not my idea but it got my attention when I first heard it)[/QUOTE]

Hell f'n no. Trade a proven pro-bowler for a question mark? No thanks.

[QUOTE=cdskins26;849374]You dont mean brian orakpo, do you?[/QUOTE]

No, he's talking about Susie Orakpo, Brian's wife. ;)

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So for those in favor of getting a QB, I know we've been writing off Andrew Luck, because he will be the first overall pick. BUT, the latest report out there which has been gaining heat, is that Andrews Dad wants to control andrews situation as to where he goes. The story first got reported by Albert Breer from NFLN. What IF we finished mid round, and offered a team like Indy 3 first rounders for him? I would do it. I feel like his dad doesn't want him going to a team like Indy with Peytons uncertainty or a team like the chiefs or dolphins with their head coaching uncertainty. I'm not saying that theres a good chance we get him, but theres definitely not no chance we get him.

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No way Indy or the Chiefs pass on Luck. The only way we, or anyone else has a shot is if a team with a "established" young qb, ie Bradford, gets the first pick. At that point bidding would be outlandish, and probably not worth it. Now, maybe he pulls an Elway, and refuses to eventually sign, and so the team then has to deal him, but I can't imagine Luck not wanting to step into the Colts driver seat, even if it means sitting behind Manning for 1 - 2 years.

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I'm hoping the Rams gets the first pick, and we can make a push for Bradford

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the way its looking now, the colts will get 1st pick, take luck, and get three 1st rounders for manning.

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[quote=SmootSmack;849503]I'm hoping the Rams gets the first pick, and we can make a push for Bradford[/quote]

That would be pretty crazy. If there was any hint that Bradford could be available, you'd have to think we'd push hard for him.

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[quote=mooby;849130]Now that we're 6 weeks into the season and we have an ok idea of who the bad teams are and who the good teams are, lets take a look at who might be interested in upgrading at quarterback next year. I'll start by listing all the teams with losing or .500 records at this point.

Winless
[B]Colts[/B] - we can already assume if they end up with the first shot at Luck, they'll take him. And even if he isn't available, they might pick a qb anyways. So yes, they'll prob. look at qbs in the draft this year.
[I]Rams[/I] - No, def. wouldn't take a qb.
[B]Dolphins[/B] - yes, definitely would be interested in a qb. With a new head coach probably on his way in he'd def. want a qb he could mold in his image.


1 win teams -
[I]Jags[/I] - no, don't think they'd take a qb. Too many holes on that team, even if they did think there was a qb out there better than Gabbert, which is doubtful.
[I]Vikings[/I] - again, same thing here. Too many holes, already have Ponder, probably going to stick with him especially if he flashes potential for the rest of the season.
[I]Panthers[/I] - nope. Need defensive help more than anything.
[I]Broncos[/I] - hard call here. I don't think Fox likes Tebow but if Tebow plays well for the rest of the season it'd be hard to see them going qb here, especially since the rest of the team needs help.
[B]Cards[/B] - another tough call. Kolb obviously isn't working out, and I have no idea if Whisenhunt is on a short leash or not. I'll say possibly.


2 win teams -
[B]Chiefs[/B] - Haley looks like a lame duck coach, but they might keep him if he turns it around. Cassel hasn't played nearly as good this year as he did last year, so if a new coach comes in he might want a new qb. Possibly for this team too.
[B]Browns[/B] - idk, tough call here. I don't know too much about how Shurmur and Holmgren feel about McCoy. Possibly?
[B]Seahawks[/B] - I think we can all assume if they were in position to take an elite qb, they'd take him. Especially with Carroll's connections to a guy like Matt Barkley.
[I]Cowboys[/I] - idk here either. Doubtful, but you never know. Another up and down year for Romo, or another crushing playoff loss, and they just might go younger. Again, doubtful imo, but it's hard to get a read here.
[I]Eagles[/I] - do I really need to include them? I think they'll get things on the right track this season, because of their season saving win last week (thanks again, Skins), and they'd probably be wiser to invest in offensive line or linebackers. Vick has played up and down ball this year but he's the least of their problems.


.500 teams
[I]Falcons[/I] - no. Just no.
[B]Texans[/B] - maybe? Schaub certainly isn't their biggest problem. Doubtful but you never know, especially if Kubiak is let go if they go on a downward spiral from here on out.
[I]Jets[/I] - The Sanchize certainly hasn't played up to his draft status this year, but doubtful here too.
[I]Bears[/I] - nah, don't see it happening. QB isn't a need.


So I'll sum it up now.


Teams that need qbs:
[B]Colts[/B], [B]Dolphins[/B]


Possibly:
[B]Broncos[/B], [B]Cardinals[/B], [B]Chiefs[/B], [B]Browns[/B], [B]Seahawks[/B]


Possibly, but doubtful:
[I]Cowboys[/I], [I]Texans[/I]


Leaning toward a heavy no:
[I]Rams[/I], [I]Jaguars[/I], [I]Vikings[/I], [I]Panthers[/I], [I]Eagles[/I], [I]Falcons[/I], [I]Jets[/I], [I]Bears[/I].


This is a very preliminary list, obviously there's 11 weeks left to go, anything can happen, some qb's will play poorly, some will fall out of favor, etc. But some of these qb holes will be filled through free agency, some through trades, and some through the draft. I'm definitely in favor of giving up a few picks if it means we get our guy for the next decade. But I think we should definitely go the draft route. I think I'll bump this thread once the season is over and we have a much more clear idea of draft order and who might want a qb.[/quote]


Good analysis...

I might disagree with you about the Jags and Blaine Gabbert. He has looked VERY RAW on the field and if he gets a dozen starts this year and still looks the way he does now, the Jags - - with a new coach next year almost assuredly - - might want to play in the QB lottery again.

Kolb is not really the problem in Arizona. The OL there is a sieve and Kolb's game is not scrambling - - whech is what he has to do in order to stay alive.

I think that the Chiefs, Browns and Seahawks are more "probably" than "possibly".

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[quote=Alvin Walton;849175]So lets say Denver does want to draft a new QB.
Would you trade Orakpo for Tebow?

(not my idea but it got my attention when I first heard it)[/quote]

Hell NO!

There is not enough Irish Whiskey in the world to get me so drunk I'd agree to that trade...

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[quote=SmootSmack;849503]I'm hoping the Rams gets the first pick, and we can make a push for Bradford[/quote]

Why not make a push for Luck? They would likely be interested in trading the #1 pick for a boatload of picks. Whether its Bradford or LUck, the price will be crazy, but I think it'd be worth it to give up a lot to get Luck.

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[quote=freddyg12;849545]Why not make a push for Luck? They would likely be interested in trading the #1 pick for a boatload of picks. Whether its Bradford or LUck, the price will be crazy, but I think it'd be worth it to give up a lot to get Luck.[/quote]

Well, if they want to trade Luck then sure let's go after him. I would think they'd be more inclined to move Bradford. For a few reasons, not least of which is compared to when Bradford was the no. 1 pick Luck's contract is going to be so much more manageable for the Rams. If the choice is keep Luck over Bradford at a fraction of the price, I think they take that.

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The #1 QB on my list is Boise State's Kellen Moore....he is sick accurate and is never ruffled. He is NFL ready right now and teams seem shy about taking him in the first round.

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[quote=SmootSmack;849552]Well, if they want to trade Luck then sure let's go after him. I would think they'd be more inclined to move Bradford. For a few reasons, not least of which is compared to when Bradford was the no. 1 pick Luck's contract is going to be so much more manageable for the Rams. If the choice is keep Luck over Bradford at a fraction of the price, I think they take that.[/quote]
Would most of that money get charged to the Rams anyway? I thought all guarenteed money would be the rams responsibly. Although, I would be reel happy with Bradford.

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[quote=SmootSmack;849552]Well, if they want to trade Luck then sure let's go after him. I would think they'd be more inclined to move Bradford. For a few reasons, not least of which is compared to when Bradford was the no. 1 pick Luck's contract is going to be so much more manageable for the Rams. If the choice is keep Luck over Bradford at a fraction of the price, I think they take that.[/quote]

good point, hadn't thought about that way much. But in considering that, this will be the first test of the new cba; in recent years most teams couldn't trade out of the #1 pick if they wanted to because the cost was too high. The 2012 draft might bring a no. of trades by teams looking to get into the top 10 since the guranteed $ isn't as big.

I realize in recent years past there hasn't been a prospect so widely regarded as #1 like Luck is. For those two reasons - Luck & less $ for #1 -the team w/the #1 pick could make a H. Walker type deal this year.

[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;849559]Would most of that money get charged to the Rams anyway? I thought all guarenteed money would be the rams responsibly. Although, I would be reel happy with Bradford.[/QUOTE]

I'm not totally sure on the rules, but I think the Redskins would be more than willing to absorb some of that cost

[QUOTE=saden1;849554]The #1 QB on my list is Boise State's Kellen Moore....he is sick accurate and is never ruffled. He is NFL ready right now and teams seem shy about taking him in the first round.[/QUOTE]

I had been dismissive of him, listening to everyone say he's too small and plays against weak competition. But I've watched a lot of his, and others, games/highlights lately. And I definitely agree. He doesn't have a cannon for an arm, but beside that dude is way underappreciated for the next level.

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[quote=saden1;849554]The #1 QB on my list is Boise State's Kellen Moore....he is sick accurate and is never ruffled. He is NFL ready right now and teams seem shy about taking him in the first round.[/quote]
Km does look awesome , he had actually found a website while in highschool that had BSU' plays . When he met with BSU coaches , they couldn't understand how he knew the plays , then he told them he had all of their plays downloaded , which of course woke them up to privacy . He came right in and became a leader . Funny thing is that most of the "experts " seem to see him as a 4th- 5th rd pick ?I would love to grab him in rd 2 . I believe we should take the best P/A , and would be shocked if we do not take a qb in either rd 1 or 2 .

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[quote=SmootSmack;849569]I'm not totally sure on the rules, but I think the Redskins would be more than willing to absorb some of that cost[/quote]
Hey I would be willing to thow in some money

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They list Moore as 6-1 which means he is barely 6 feet. Living in the NW you get to see him play a lot, and sure, he plays against weak competition but he seems to destroy the weak and tough competition. He is truly amazing...I mean, how many teams out there have their QB run double option screen and a pro style offense? No many I tell you that. He is worthy of being drafted in the 1st round but I am not sure someone will grab him.

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Does anyone on think Mat Flynn is the answer. That is, as long as Beck does not come in and light it up.

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[quote=mooby;849464]Hell f'n no. Trade a proven pro-bowler for a question mark? No thanks.[/quote]

but but he's a winner? We need winners! Even if being a winner means you played for a team that regularly recruited four and five star players.

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[quote=SmootSmack;849570]I had been dismissive of him, listening to everyone say he's too small and plays against weak competition. But I've watched a lot of his, and others, games/highlights lately. And I definitely agree. He doesn't have a cannon for an arm, but beside that dude is way underappreciated for the next level.[/quote]

I don't know why so many teams are obsessed with cannon arms....seriously, unless you are accurate it's worthless. My wish is for the Skins to draft Moore if he is on the board regardless what round it is. I've been sold on him two years ago when no one knew who Andrew Luck was.

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Which great QB's will be left for the 32nd pick.

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[quote=saden1;849584][B]I don't know why so many teams are obsessed with cannon arms....seriously, unless you are accurate it's worthless[/B]. My wish is for the Skins to draft Moore if he is on the board regardless what round it is. I've been sold on him two years ago when no one knew who Andrew Luck was.[/quote]


Nuh uh! Just ask JaMarcus Russell.

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Colt McCoy seems like a perfect parallel for Kellen Moore. Both accurate, smart, and undersized with great intangibles. Granted arm strength can be improved but right now I have a hard time seeing Moore as a high pick.

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[quote=saden1;849584]I don't know why so many teams are obsessed with cannon arms....seriously, unless you are accurate it's worthless. My wish is for the Skins to draft Moore if he is on the board regardless what round it is. I've been sold on him two years ago when no one knew who Andrew Luck was.[/quote]

They're like those guys that overhaul their cars audio system and get a crappy overpowered sub that just makes a ridiculous rattling noise. Personally I'll take accuracy any day over arm strength but teams are seeing Aaron Godgers and hoping to get both, especially when they invest a first round pick. Plus for now the great accurate, but weak arm isn't working to well for McCoy in Cleveland.

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[quote=saden1;849584]I don't know why so many teams are obsessed with cannon arms....seriously, unless you are accurate it's worthless. My wish is for the Skins to draft Moore if he is on the board regardless what round it is. I've been sold on him two years ago when no one knew who Andrew Luck was.[/quote]

Well, arm strength helps. A little more mustard and Rex completes a few more passes.

That said though, I'm with you. Like I said, took me awhile to appreciate his abilities. But color me impressed

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[quote=Dirtbag59;849590]They're like those guys that overhaul their cars audio system and get a crappy overpowered sub that just makes a ridiculous rattling noise. Personally I'll take accuracy any day over arm strength but teams are seeing Aaron Godgers and hoping to get both, especially when they invest a first round pick. Plus for now the great accurate, but weak arm isn't working to well for McCoy in Cleveland.[/quote]

Moore is and McCoy are only similar when you look at the stats. Moore is strictly a pocket passer and runs a pro-style offense while Colt ran the spread in Texas and got the chance to run a few run option plays. Statistically, they are definitly comparable, from a style and NFL ready prospective, they aren't on the same page.

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[quote=SmootSmack;849594]Well, arm strength helps. A little more mustard and Rex completes a few more passes.

That said though, I'm with you. Like I said, took me awhile to appreciate his abilities. But color me impressed[/quote]

Rex can gun it at least 50 yards... don't confuse those awful balls he under threw because he's shitty with his inability to throw the ball deeper than he did.

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Fair enough. Wasn't trying to bash Moore. I'm on his bandwagon

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[quote=SmootSmack;849605]Fair enough. Wasn't trying to bash Moore. I'm on his bandwagon[/quote]


I know. Hopefully we can get him and he can do this for us:

[yt]nVqsshIbFgQ[/yt]

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I know that's just a highlight video but I like his ball placement. He knows just where to put it so only his intended receiver can get his hands on it. Even though that last highlight showed him putting the ball out too far on that game winning td pass against VT last year, for the most part he knows where to go with it. I think we're due for a good qb that knows where to place the ball since both Sexy Rexy and McNabb were underwhelming in those regards.

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I have 2 points to make if we were to take Moore....

1- Can we paint our field Burgundy with Gold markings and endzone?

2- He doesn't have a problem wearing wrist bands. :)

Liar!
 

[quote=SBXVII;849626]I have 2 points to make if we were to take Moore....

1- Can we paint our field Burgundy with Gold markings and endzone?

2- He doesn't have a problem wearing wrist bands. :)[/quote]

[URL="http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&q=derp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=675"]ESPN - Moore: "F**k this wristband and f**k your s****y a** blue field!"[/URL]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;849636][URL="http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&q=derp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=675"]ESPN - Moore: "F**k this wristband and f**k your s****y a** blue field!"[/URL][/quote]

:laughing2 I like what you did there, but I think you were looking for this link instead:

[URL="http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1TSNF_enUS440US440&gcx=c&q=dont%20believe%20everything%20you%20read&um=1&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=667&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw"]ESPN: Kellen Moore,"I love wristbands, blue fields, and not using the f-word. I have not been brainwashed. Coach Peterson is responsible for all my success and deserves a massive raise."[/URL]

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[quote=firstdown;849585]Which great QB's will be left for the 32nd pick.[/quote]

Playoffs?
Playoffs?

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We have needed a franchise qb since Rypien. We still need to focus on O line depth in future drafts.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;849662]We have needed a franchise qb since Rypien. We still need to focus on O line depth in future drafts.[/quote]

Some of us might suggest that the last real franchise QB the Skins had was Sonny Jurgensen.

Oh, and remember, the Skins traded for him; they got him after he had been in the league about 6 years or so...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;849856]Some of us might suggest that the last real franchise QB the Skins had was Sonny Jurgensen.

Oh, and remember, the Skins traded for him; they got him after he had been in the league about 6 years or so...[/quote]

Crap, I guess we SHOULD have given up 2 firsts for Palmer then.... :doh:

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;849856]Some of us might suggest that the last real franchise QB the Skins had was Sonny Jurgensen.

Oh, and remember, the Skins traded for him; they got him after he had been in the league about 6 years or so...[/quote]

I think then we need to agree on what a franchise qb is. Kilmer & Theisman were both franchise qb's to me.