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[quote=Lotus;850063]Not in my eyes. I think Landry Jones would look good in burgundy and gold. His numbers so far this year:
rating 156.0
comp pct 67.6
yards 2177
ypa 8.6
TD 16
INT 6[/quote]

The thing I don't like about Landry Jones' prospects with the Skins is, he is a career 20% passer outside the pocket. Between our o-line and his inaccuracies outside the pocket, I can see him really struggling in Shanny's roll out/boot leg system.

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[quote=redsk1;850039]Haven't watched any OK football, but has Landry Jones regressed? I thought most analysts considered him just behind Luck.

There's alot of football left to be played this year. My guess is we'll draft in the 13-17 range. If so, we could potentially move up to a top 5 or 6 and the cost wouldn't kill us. It helps that the worst teams don't need qb's.

Indi, Car, St Louis don't need a qb but each could and might take Luck. I don't think Carolina would but Indi and St Louis might.[/quote]


The only way I can imagine St. Louis drafting a QB is if Bradford has a career ending injury. They have enough other needs that overshadow QB like their oline and a potential heir to S. Jackson among other things.

I'm not a fan of the "athlete" QB but there's just something about Griffin that makes me like him. It's amazing how accurate he is, how well he throws on the move and how smart he is. To me, it's:

Luck
Barkley
Griffin
Jones
Everyone else


I'm still not sold on Moore as a franchise qb, but I'd be fine with adding him as a later round pick as insurance.

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What about the idea of trying to sign Matt Flynn? He's a FA after this season and has looked pretty good in very limited action. I don't see how the Packers could afford to keep him nor why he would want re-sign when he could start elsewhere.

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[quote=Terpfan76;850154]What about the idea of trying to sign Matt Flynn? He's a FA after this season and has looked pretty good in very limited action. I don't see how the Packers could afford to keep him nor why he would want re-sign when he could start elsewhere.[/quote]
Unless Beck tears it up and gets us into the playoff's , I would like for the Skins to add a F/A Qb and draft one in rd 1 or 2 . Flynn would be aguy Im sure they will consider . I wish I could play Qb at this level and lead the Skins ...... I would be the most popular guy on the Warpath !!!

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[quote=budw38;850157]Unless Beck tears it up and gets us into the playoff's , I would like for the Skins to add a F/A Qb and draft one in rd 1 or 2 . Flynn would be aguy Im sure they will consider . I wish I could play Qb at this level and lead the Skins ...... I would be the most popular guy on the Warpath !!![/quote]

If you sign Flynn, it's probably going to be for big money or at least pretty big money, so that might negate the likelihood of drafting a qb early. Although that could lead to the addition of a guy like Blackmon or if Fletcher leaves/retires, Vontaze Burfict.

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The bottom line is if Rex or Beck dont play well this season then we are going to struggle for the next few years. Even if we draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd rd he will be a rookie and rookies dont fair well their 1st year in the league. You do get exceptions to this like Joe Flaco and Matt Ryan but thats far and few in between. I hope Beck can step up and play well enough that the rookie we do draft for the future won't have to play for a few years. Can Beck hold down the job or even be a NFL stater for us. I guess Sunday will see how he starts his on the job training.

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[quote=Lotus;849713]Why not Landry Jones?[/quote]Because he obviously don't know anything about football. Landry Jones is the second best qb in this draft.

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[quote=SkinzWin;849859]Russell Wilson, 5th year senior and transfer from NC State. From my hometown of Richmond. Went to Collegiate (a private school). ESPN had a really good show about him. He is playing really well for the Badgers this year.

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[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/10/russell-wilson-wisconsin-espn-depth-chart/1]ESPN's 'Depth Chart' offers inside look at Russell Wilson, Wisconsin[/url][/quote] The man only 5'11. He's way to small to play qb in this league.

Tell that to Mr. Brees

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Yea that is the big thing about him. The scouts are reminded of Brees for his brain and his skills and motion

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I think we should stack QB in this year draft like we stacked WR in last years

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Matt Barkley shud be the qb we draft next year. I hope to god we get him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;850235]Tell that to Mr. Brees[/quote] I hate to knock a guy who I view as a talented player who shows up on game day. However, I have to honest and point out the obvious. Outside of Drew Brees how many sub 6 ft qbs do you see starting in the nfl? This kid has a good arm, great accuracy, and great mobility. However, he's undersized for the position he's playing. I'm not saying he should be drafted. What saying is that he's not a first or second rounder. Also Russel Wilson is not as good as Drew Brees.

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[quote=Mechanix544;850251]Matt Barkley shud be the qb we draft next year. I hope to god we get him.[/quote]

There is a lot to like about Matt Barkley, but out of all the qbs in this draft I think he's the most overrated. I'm going to give you my reasons why I like him and dislike him. He throws beautiful passes and he can do it on a consistent basis. He has a big arm and a quick release. He has good mobility. What I dislike about him is a footwork. He tends to throw the ball off his back foot a lot. I think that can be fixed with good coaching which believe we have. The problem I have with him is that he doesn't preform well when he's under pressure. Now do I believe he's a franchise qb? I really do believe he is. Do I think we should draft him if given the opportunity? Yes we definitely should. I just think that qbs like Nick Foles and RG3 are just as good.

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Not to highjack the thread but I just wanted to point out this shirt my wife just bought. I didn't want to start a thread about the 2034 draft quite yet, but that's when he will be available, unless he goes as a junior. But I don't want to get my hopes too high at this point....

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You may proceed talking about Matt Barkley's over-hypeness.

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[quote=Landry44;850262]There is a lot to like about Matt Barkley, but out of all the qbs in this draft I think he's the most overrated. I'm going to give you my reasons why I like him and dislike him. He throws beautiful passes and he can do it on a consistent basis. He has a big arm and a quick release. He has good mobility. What I dislike about him is a footwork. He tends to throw the ball off his back foot a lot. I think that can be fixed with good coaching which believe we have. The problem I have with him is that he doesn't preform well when he's under pressure. Now do I believe he's a franchise qb? I really do believe he is. Do I think we should draft him if given the opportunity? Yes we definitely should. I just think that qbs like Nick Foles and RG3 are just as good.[/quote]Been watching ND vs. USC. Not impressed w/Barkley. Lots of bubble screens, speed outs and other quick passes under 10 yds that inflate numbers. At least three throws that weren't very tight at all (Kilmer-esque) with no pressure. Mobility is OK at NCAA, he'll get killed outside the pocket in the NFL. I think Barkley would benefit from another year in the NCAA. He will take some time to be successful at the next level. I don't see his upside as high as Bradford's. I wouldn't take him in this draft.

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[quote=SkinzWin;850280]Not to highjack the thread but I just wanted to point out this shirt my wife just bought. I didn't want to start a thread about the 2034 draft quite yet, but that's when he will be available, unless he goes as a junior. But I don't want to get my hopes too high at this point....[/quote]Congrats!! We'll be expecting SB in 2035 for sure.

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Congratulations SkinzWin! :food-smil

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Congrads ... 2034 starts a run on Lombardi trophy's and Redskins Park !!
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[quote=Landry44;850230]Because he obviously don't know anything about football. Landry Jones is the second best qb in this draft.[/quote]

yeah, since every highly rated qb prospect has been a success in the nfl...

just because he is the "second best qb in the draft" doesn't mean he will be a good nfl player. i said that im not sold on him being a good pro, thats a gut feeling from what i've seen from him. i guess that means i "don't know anything about football" since i dont agree with you or some gurus though.

anyways, i liked the little bit i saw from barkley last night. he was going through progressions and looked accurate, and even showed a little mobility.

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It's pretty tough to tell who is going to have success in the NFL, just ask paid NFL scouts and GM's. There's just as many misses as hits.

Outside of Luck, there are no gimmee's. I'll root for Russell Wilson b/c he's a hometown guy, but there's not too many QB's under 6 ft to have great success in the NFL. I'll trust MS on this one.

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[quote=Big C;850306]yeah, since every highly rated qb prospect has been a success in the nfl...

just because he is the "second best qb in the draft" doesn't mean he will be a good nfl player. i said that im not sold on him being a good pro, thats a gut feeling from what i've seen from him. i guess that means i "don't know anything about football" since i dont agree with you or some gurus though.

anyways, i liked the little bit i saw from barkley last night. he was going through progressions and looked accurate, and even showed a little mobility.[/quote]

I asked the original question honestly and without an edge: why don't you like Landry Jones?

I like him a lot although I admit that his accuracy declines significantly when he is on the move. It seems to me, though, that this problem is fixable.

Is there something else which you don't like about him?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;850281]Been watching ND vs. USC. Not impressed w/Barkley. Lots of bubble screens, speed outs and other quick passes under 10 yds that inflate numbers. At least three throws that weren't very tight at all (Kilmer-esque) with no pressure. Mobility is OK at NCAA, he'll get killed outside the pocket in the NFL. I think Barkley would benefit from another year in the NCAA. He will take some time to be successful at the next level. I don't see his upside as high as Bradford's. I wouldn't take him in this draft.[/quote]

IMO you nailed it, Sammy. There is a lot to like about Barkley such as his quick release. But he throws some ducks and has NCAA but not NFL speed. As he ages he will more and more resemble Grossman (who was somewhat mobile in college) in terms of mobility.

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[quote=redsk1;850309]It's pretty tough to tell who is going to have success in the NFL, just ask paid NFL scouts and GM's. There's just as many misses as hits.

Outside of Luck, there are no gimmee's. I'll root for Russell Wilson b/c he's a hometown guy, but there's not too many QB's under 6 ft to have great success in the NFL. I'll trust MS on this one.[/quote]

I agree with this post. Lately, I've been trying to catch more college games on TV to see some of the top QB prospects and I find that, other than Luck (who is tremendous), I'm not able to completely sell myself on any of the others. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot to like about a number of the current crop of star college QB's but, still, there are things about each of them that make me uneasy. For example:

[B]Kellen Moore [/B]- He is one of the great college QB's of all time. Extremely productive. A winner. Yet size and arm strength are important in the pros and he is lacking in those areas. Could he succeed in the NFL? I think I'd be a fool to say he couldn't but he will have to overcome the physical attributes that he lacks.

[B]Landry Jones [/B]- I was pleased to see him in a situation where he needed to lead a comeback against Texas Tech. I think I learned more about him because of that situation. I felt that he handled the pressure of the comeback well. He made some excellent throws to help get his team back in the game. He felt where the pass rush pressure was coming from and showed the strength to shake off tacklers and good footwork to elude them, as well, to make plays. I liked that.

Jones has a very strong arm. He can make all the necessary throws. He has very good size for the pros and he is apparently a better athlete than I thought.

On the negative side, his accuracy is inconsistent, he throws a flat deep ball, he tries to force throws a little too much, and he has not been as successful in the Red Zone as he should be.

Overall, I think that he has a chance to be a very good pro QB. Sometimes I think that the thing I hold against him most is that he is not Sam Bradford.

[B]Matt Barkley [/B]- I really, really want to like Matt Barkley more than I do. Yet when I see him play, he looks like the dreaded "game manager" to me. He is very smart and polished. He makes a lot of good throws, if primarily dinky ones. Perhaps he's trapped in the offense USC runs. Remember the old joke: "Who was the only man to hold Michael Jordan under 20 points per game?" The correct answer is "Dean Smith." Is Lane Kiffin holding Barkley back?

Barkley has good size, a good arm, and a good brain. Some NFL team is going to pay to find out if he can become the leader of their team.

[B]Robert Griffin, III [/B]- RGIII is a very intriguing prospect. He is such a phenomenal athlete at he QB position that teams may fear not picking him in the draft more than they fear picking him. He's not the most polished QB in the draft but he can make plays that the others couldn't dream of making. He is a running threat with big time arm. I think he throws the deep ball very well. He has the size teams like. He might be the best of the bunch behind Luck.

Nevertheless, I haven't yet seen enough of him to form a strong opinion about him as a prospect. From the little I've seen, I think that RGIII may have possibly have the tools to be an outstanding NFL QB.

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I'd actually be pretty surprised if RGIII even declared for this year's draft

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[quote=Lotus;850322]I asked the original question honestly and without an edge: why don't you like Landry Jones?

I like him a lot although I admit that his accuracy declines significantly when he is on the move. It seems to me, though, that this problem is fixable.

Is there something else which you don't like about him?[/quote]

that wasnt in response to you, but the other guy.

with regards to landry jones i see a guy who throws a lot of screens and slants with little pressure in his face. he has good short accuracy and gets rid of the ball quickly. however, as mentioned earlier his deep ball isnt the best and hes not overly mobile. im not sure about his intangibles either. he could end up being a pro bowler, im just not sold quite yet.

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My NFL QB Prospect Ratings in Order:

Andrew Luck
Matt Barkley
RGIII
Nick Foles
Ryan Tannehill
Landry Jones
Kellen Moore
Kirk Cousins

Id be happy with any one them being on the Skins next year, gotta take a chance with qbs.

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[quote=Big C;850368]that wasnt in response to you, but the other guy.

with regards to landry jones i see a guy who throws a lot of screens and slants with little pressure in his face. he has good short accuracy and gets rid of the ball quickly. however, as mentioned earlier his deep ball isnt the best and hes not overly mobile. im not sure about his intangibles either. he could end up being a pro bowler, im just not sold quite yet.[/quote]

Ok, fair enough. I see him as more mobile than you do but he's no RGIII for sure. Thank you for the intelligent analysis.

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i could see kirk cousins becoming a good game manager but not a lot more than that

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;850281]Been watching ND vs. USC. Not impressed w/Barkley. Lots of bubble screens, speed outs and other quick passes under 10 yds that inflate numbers. At least three throws that weren't very tight at all (Kilmer-esque) with no pressure. Mobility is OK at NCAA, he'll get killed outside the pocket in the NFL. I think Barkley would benefit from another year in the NCAA. He will take some time to be successful at the next level. I don't see his upside as high as Bradford's. I wouldn't take him in this draft.[/quote] You got to look at his whole body of work and not just one game. This guy is solid all across the board. I just do not believe that he is as good as he's hyped up to be.

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[quote=Big C;850306]yeah, since every highly rated qb prospect has been a success in the nfl...

just because he is the "second best qb in the draft" doesn't mean he will be a good nfl player. i said that im not sold on him being a good pro, thats a gut feeling from what i've seen from him. i guess that means i "don't know anything about football" since i dont agree with you or some gurus though.

anyways, i liked the little bit i saw from barkley last night. he was going through progressions and looked accurate, and even showed a little mobility.[/quote] No offense brother. I just can't see how anyone who knows anything about qbs can believe that Landry Jones doesn't have all the tools and intangibles to make a excellent pro. This is one of the best qb draft classes I have ever seen. Jones would be a top ten pick in any draft. Him being the second best qb in this draft says a lot about him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;850371]My NFL QB Prospect Ratings in Order:

Andrew Luck
Matt Barkley
RGIII
Nick Foles
Ryan Tannehill
Landry Jones
Kellen Moore
Curt Cousins

Id be happy with any one them being on the Skins next year, gotta take a chance with qbs.[/quote] Kellen Moore would be a top ten pick if he was at least 6'2. He's amazing passer in my opinion.

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[quote=Landry44;850954]Kellen Moore would be a top ten pick if he was at least 6'2. He's amazing passer in my opinion.[/quote]

I would be happy if the Redskins picked Moore, any round besides the 1st or 2nd would be ok with me.

The thing is the Skins have needs at so many positions still, I cant pick in what order what position we should draft for. QB in the 1st or 2nd should be a lock but besides that, best player available I guess (Not including TE or Safety.)

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Kirk Cousins impressed me this week.

Nick Foles is really impressive to me, he reminds me of a smarter Jay Cutler.

Landry Jones doesn't impress me, he over throws guys a lot.

I'm not sold on Tannehill, because he's only been a QB for a season and a half.

Matt Barkley looks like another Leinart, just with a stronger arm.

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Anytime someone has to justify a QB by saying he's a winner I get scared in a way that guys do when getting set up on a blind date and the first thing you hear about the girl is she has a great personality.

I mean why don't people ever call Andrew Luck a winner? Look what he's done with that Stanford program in a sport where schools with high academic standards usually are at a huge disadvantage.

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Who is the guy on AZ? Really good thrower on a bad team.

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[quote=skinsfan69;854434]Who is the guy on AZ? Really good thrower on a bad team.[/quote]

John Skelton! He's probably starting this weekend...or maybe you meant Nick Foles

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[quote=Landry44;850941]No offense brother. I just can't see how anyone who knows anything about qbs can believe that Landry Jones doesn't have all the tools and intangibles to make a excellent pro. This is one of the best qb draft classes I have ever seen. Jones would be a top ten pick in any draft. Him being the second best qb in this draft says a lot about him.[/quote]

Wait, what? Earlier you were giving me a hard time in the position of need thread for saying I liked Landry Jones over RG3.... I'm confused. Or maybe you're confused.

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You guys are way too high on Landry Jones he's not even close to a Bradford or a Ryan, more like a flacco.. He's not very mobile and if u move him out of the pocket he struggles

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[quote=GMScud;854453]Wait, what? Earlier you were giving me a hard time in the position of need thread for saying I liked Landry Jones over RG3.... I'm confused. Or maybe you're confused.[/quote]

I'd rather have landry jones. RG3 probably won't be coming out this year