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Superbowl!!!

[QUOTE=GMScud;854457]I think up in arms were the wrong words. Some people think it's a ho-hum signing (myself included), others think it was a dumb signing. Either way, "up in arms" should never really apply to a guy who is currently injured and will be a #3 RB.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough.

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[quote=GMScud;854460]This. lol[/quote]

LOL It's WISHBONE Time in DC Folks

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What number does he take what with pro bowl MVP corner deangelo Hall already taking #23

[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;854389]The guy we stripped last year before halftime??? VOmit, I hate this fn organization, we have such a good track record of picking up cowboy trash.[/QUOTE]

Although the above is pretty much up in arms

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[quote=GreekSkin;854462]Fair enough.[/quote]

Yeah I'm nit picking. Sorry.

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[quote=mbedner3420;854443]Who did we cut to sign choice?[/quote]

Jonathan Compas. Now the offense will never find its way.

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[quote=GMScud;854421]He and Cofield have been invisible the past three games.[/quote]

Their job is to tie up the blockers so the linebackers can get the tackles. I suggest you look at the box score and see how many tackles our LBs had. They are doing fine.

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[quote=Lotus;854472]Jonathan Compas. Now the offense will never find its way.[/quote]

He was cut before the game and Brandon tompson was promoted. I'm not sure who it was then

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[quote=mbedner3420;854474]He was cut before the game and Brandon tompson was promoted. I'm not sure who it was then[/quote]

So it was. My bad. I read the transactions sheet wrong.

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[quote=NC_Skins;854473]Their job is to tie up the blockers so the linebackers can get the tackles. I suggest you look at the box score and see how many tackles our LBs had. They are doing fine.[/quote]

Three losses in a row is fine?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;854437]CP's been rejected by a load of teams. Kind of sad, really.[/quote]

saw him in person recently... he's nowhere near football shape

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[quote=Alvin Walton;854478]Three losses in a row is fine?[/quote]

I was unaware they can block and throw passes as well. Maybe we should look into switching them.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;854448]That is interesting.

I suppose someone like Thompson maybe goes back down to the PS[/QUOTE]

So Thompson was waived

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[quote=SmootSmack;854495]So Thompson was waived[/quote]

Welp

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This can't be good news for Torrain.

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Not sure what this will do to help us. I mean the Cowboys are an underachieving bunch as well. This guy had many chances to step it up and become a starter with the Boys. If he can come in here and take over, what does that say about Torain, and especially Helu? Geez, does that mean we can't draft all that well past the second round still? He is a veteran at this pointthough, and a half decent back, but you have to wonder what Shanny thinks of Helu by not giving him many reps.

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[quote=NC_Skins;854473]Their job is to tie up the blockers so the linebackers can get the tackles. I suggest you look at the box score and see how many tackles our LBs had. They are doing fine.[/quote]

LOL really? I suggest you look at the box score. We allow 100 yard rushers like it's going out of style. Their job is more than just tying up blockers. They get no push.

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[quote=SmootSmack;854387]For those wondering, I'm talking about this guy

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/tashardchoice/1970/profile]Tashard Choice, RB for the Dallas Cowboys at NFL.com[/url][/quote]

This should help!! Superbowl Baby!!

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[quote=GMScud;854512]LOL really? I suggest you look at the box score. We allow 100 yard rushers like it's going out of style. Their job is more than just tying up blockers. They get no push.[/quote]

3 down lineman are going up against 5 offensive lineman. What kind of push are you expecting?

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[quote=NC_Skins;854519]3 down lineman are going up against 5 offensive lineman. What kind of push are you expecting?[/quote]

Well in a 3-4 scheme the NT and the DEs are supposed to occupy blocker and push the pocket. The job of a good 3-4 NT is to take up blockers and collapse the pocket, something that I don't think Cofield has done a lot.

I really don't have much complaints about Bowen or Carriker, but I think Cofield could do a better job at NT, the problem is that he isn't one, I think he would have made a helluva 3-4 DE though.

But in the end, I think discussions about the defense are a bit pointless, given the crappy offense we have. Unless you have an elite defense like Baltimore or Pittsbugh that can win games by themselves, a solid defense is not going win many games with a shitty offense.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854522][B]Well in a 3-4 scheme the NT and the DEs are supposed to occupy blocker and push the pocket. The job of a good 3-4 NT is to take up blockers and collapse the pocket, something that I don't think Cofield has done a lot.[/B]

[B]I really don't have much complaints about Bowen or Carriker, but I think Cofield could do a better job at NT, the problem is that he isn't one, I think he would have made a helluva 3-4 DE though.[/B]

But in the end, I think discussions about the defense are a bit pointless, given the crappy offense we have. Unless you have an elite defense like Baltimore or Pittsbugh that can win games by themselves, a solid defense is not going win many games with a shitty offense.[/quote]

As to the first point, exactly. As to the second, I love what Carriker has done, but Bowen has pretty much been a wash for the past month.

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Wondering what information about the cowboys O he can provide? Maybe we signed him for intel.

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Let's see, when the OL was healthy and blocking well our RB's were doing fine, Hightower, Torain, and Helu. The OL gets decimated and Hightower gets injured and now we need new RB's? Torain should still be healthy, Helu should still be healthy, they just picked up Tristan Davis for the PS prior to last weeks game ..... and now Choice. It seems like we have just as many RB's as WR's yet no thought to picking up more OL to start learning the scheme.

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[quote=hagams;854563]Wondering what information about the cowboys O he can provide? Maybe we signed him for intel.[/quote]
Bingo. Nailed it right there. Always makes sense to sign some intel to the roster. Lets just see f he is still there after the next game at FedEx.

I was always a fan of this guy. Works hard week in and week out and I hope he finds success, even if it is on a division foe. (same with Bowen was disappointed to see him leave)

But the fact is Choice had ONE good game and that was his rookie year when both Barber and Jones were limited with injuries. Since that game, he has been mediocre at best.

His release is another example of the GM letting Garrett put his fingerprint on the team. No one is more surprised than I. Garrett did not draft Choice, hence no sense of loyalty. Garrett has released a number of players, especially on the O-line and offense and has put "his" players in there.

The last 2 seasons, if Choice was not limping or gimping, he was putting the ball on the ground.

His last 2 touches is Dallas resulted in 2 fumbles lost. Dallas was shopping him at the trading deadline and there were interested teams. But they quickly stopped shopping him when Felix Jones came up injured (AGAIN, I don't call him Fragile Felix for nothing).

But the emergence of Murray made Choice expendable. Dallas needed to open a roster spot because they took Bruce Carter off the PUP. If Choice was not injured, I suspect they would have held on to him longer for insurance. But he could not be counted upon week in and week out.

However.....I think he can excel in the zone scheme that Shannahan is famous for. So I really hope he does well.

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[quote=hagams;854563]Wondering what information about the cowboys O he can provide? Maybe we signed him for intel.[/quote]

LMAO!!! Id rather have signed Anna Chapman, she could provide more intel than [U]Trash[/U]ard "Bad" Choiice.

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[quote=The Goat;854405]Hehe well played sir!

Generally speaking I don't understand why Helu isn't getting the opportunity to get in a rhythm. Give him 10 carries in a qtr and see what happens at least. [B]He must have earned some trust as a blocker since he's in there on 3rd down.[/B] So why not try him as an everydown back?[/quote]


I think he is there on 3rd down for two reasons:
[INDENT]1. Torain is really suspect as a blocker if the defense blitzes on 3rd down

2. Helu has good hands should he be the outlet receiver. (Highly unlikely he will ever be the targeted receiver because the Redskins seem to be allergic to screen passes this year...)[/INDENT]

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;854636]I think he is there on 3rd down for two reasons:
[INDENT]1. Torain is really suspect as a blocker if the defense blitzes on 3rd down

2. Helu has good hands should he be the outlet receiver. (Highly unlikely he will ever be the targeted receiver because the Redskins seem to be allergic to screen passes this year...)[/INDENT][/quote]

Then he should get a lot of action, cause 3 and out is our favorite play. Its been a staple of our offense for years, its like the ol counter tre.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;854636]I think he is there on 3rd down for two reasons:
[INDENT]1. Torain is really suspect as a blocker if the defense blitzes on 3rd down

2. Helu has good hands should he be the outlet receiver. (Highly unlikely he will ever be the targeted receiver because the Redskins seem to be allergic to screen passes this year...)[/INDENT][/quote]

Soooo he could/should be tried as an everydown back? Helu also looks like our quickest RB and far quicker than Torain.

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[quote=Lotus;854401]I think he still has something in the tank. Good, he can get 1 carry a game, just like our other backs.[/quote]

I lol..

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I don't see why we can't develop Helu into a Fred Jackson kinda RB

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[quote=Bucket;854673]I don't see why we can't develop Helu into a Fred Jackson kinda RB[/quote]

Because that will get in the way of Kyle Shanahan's passing attack.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854675]Because that will get in the way of Kyle Shanahan's passing attack.[/quote]

:laughing- The only way Helu could get enough plays to make an impact is if switched positions to wide receiver.

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[quote=Lotus;854401]I think he still has something in the tank. Good, he can get 1 carry a game, just like our other backs.[/quote]

Good one.

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Our RBs seemed to be solid and deep until TH went down, torain hasn't don't jack since the horrid rams D and Helu never gets carries so....

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And...as expected, Thompson is back on the practice squad

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[quote=skinsfaninok;854849]Our RBs seemed to be solid and deep until TH went down, torain hasn't don't jack since the horrid rams D and Helu never gets carries so....[/quote]

It's difficult to fairly judge the effectiveness of a RB without first considering the ineffectiveness of his blockers. Until the most important unit of the offense is upgraded, who the runner is won't matter.

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[quote=NC_Skins;854519]3 down lineman are going up against 5 offensive lineman. What kind of push are you expecting?[/quote]

I might expect the kind of push that the Ravens get with 3 down linemen against 5 offensive linemen...

Or maybe the kind of push that BJ Raji gets up the middle for the Packers against an inside double team on virtually every passing down...

If your justification for the lack of a pass rush from the Skins 3 defensive linemen had broad validity, no one would use a 3-4 defense. And if they ever put a 3-4 defense on the field, the offenses would immediately audible to a passing play.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;854967]I might expect the kind of push that the Ravens get with 3 down linemen against 5 offensive linemen...

Or maybe the kind of push that BJ Raji gets up the middle for the Packers against an inside double team on virtually every passing down...

If your justification for the lack of a pass rush from the Skins 3 defensive linemen had broad validity, no one would use a 3-4 defense. And if they ever put a 3-4 defense on the field, the offenses would immediately audible to a passing play.[/quote]

Teams don't exactly use the 3-4 looking for or expecting the d-line to rush the passer. And the Ravens D/BJ Raji are pretty high hopes. Tough for anyone to play to their level. They do their job (occupying o-lineman) and then some... D-line isn't really our issue right now anyways

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[quote=Kindoy;857700]Teams don't exactly use the 3-4 looking for or expecting the d-line to rush the passer. And the Ravens D/BJ Raji are pretty high hopes. Tough for anyone to play to their level. They do their job (occupying o-lineman) and then some... D-line isn't really our issue right now anyways[/quote]

I agree totally that D-line is not at or near the top of the pile when it comes to areas of the team that need [B]immediate[/B] attention.

But let me be clear; if the starting D-line is Carriker, Colfield and Bowen, there is a limit on how good the defense is going to be. All three are best described as:
[INDENT]"adequate", "average" and/or "competent".[/INDENT]
None of the three is best described as:
[INDENT]"great", "special" and/or "game-changing".[/INDENT]