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[quote=mlmpetert;857766]Its an analogy, not a direct player comparison, and I kind of agree with it.

They both pretty much play the exact same role for their teams both position and leadership wise. While Lewis is obviously the better player and Baltimore’s defense is also much better I would agree that our defense would be affected in a similar manor as the Ravens d if both were missing their premier player and leader.[/quote]

I understand your analogy - - but I think it is a bit less direct a comparison than you make it out to be. Thanx for explaining.

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True, it can be read either way.

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If we really do tank this year, he will bolt. Sorry guys, but he is getting up there, and if he does want to play I think he will go for a real contender, even if it is a lot less money, if he doesn't flat out retire. A loss to the hapless Dolphins will be the capstone to what will be an epic fail of a season. London might want to play now, but after 7-8 more losses and no hope in sight I would retire or bolt if I was him. Even if the QB we draft next year works out you are looking at waiting 2-3 more seasons to be a contender, as we have more holes than swiss cheese to fill on this roster. Fletch doesn't have that long.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/london-fletcher-wont-quit-on-redskins/2011/11/10/gIQAxGX6BN_story.html]London Fletcher won’t quit on Redskins - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;858149][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/london-fletcher-wont-quit-on-redskins/2011/11/10/gIQAxGX6BN_story.html]London Fletcher won’t quit on Redskins - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

This is an excellent piece in the Washington Post - - well written.

My fear is not that London Fletcher will quit on this defensive unit; I do not think he would know how to do that even if that thought happened to cross his mind. Since first time I saw him play with the Rams, he has played linebacker the same way - - all out, every play.

My fear is that if the season goes totally in the tank - - say with a record of 4-9 in mid-December - - then others on the defensive unit might start to "mail it in". THAT SITUATION would be something that could convince Fletcher to look around for another employer next season; he might be able to tolerate the losing a little bit but I think he might not be able to tolerate seeing others on the defense "checking out early".

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[quote=mooby;856964]1.5 mil? This isn't the old days anymore, and he's making what, like 5 mil a year this time around? Keep him at 5 mil per year.[/quote]

True, Carlos Rodgers left here for a $4 million/1 year deal. I guess I'd go somewhere in the neighborhood of $4-$5.5 million/1 year. We really need him around to teach the apparent incumbent for the MLB position how to play it in the 3-4 and/or be a leader like Fletch. I'd get Burfict in the first round (Foles in the second). If not we could get a ILB in Free Agency. But in all honesty I would get that many guys in FA because thats NOT how to build a team, that to just fix some of the cracks. Look at why Pittsburgh, Green Bay, San Diego(maybe not this year but past years), Indy (ditto for SD), New England have been successful, they go out and get a max of 2 guys in free agency and build through the draft.

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More holes to fill on a team still trying to find an identity...

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I'm going to take the other side and think of it from London Fletcher's perspective. Wouldn't you pretty much take any deal you could get to join Gregg Williams and the Saints? You get a shot to win a title, you're playing for a coach you adore, and you're in a system you can run and fits you to a T.

Gregg would move Vilma to OLB for Fletcher.

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..........yes....snif...snif..

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[quote=Schneed10;859254]I'm going to take the other side and think of it from London Fletcher's perspective. Wouldn't you pretty much take any deal you could get to join Gregg Williams and the Saints? You get a shot to win a title, you're playing for a coach you adore, and you're in a system you can run and fits you to a T.

Gregg would move Vilma to OLB for Fletcher.[/quote]


Completely didnt think about that, and i think youre absolutely right....

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I say sign him before the season is over, the Redskins really need Fletcher he's the heart and soul of the Defense and a positive influence.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/london-fletcher-believes-in-redskins-who-should-re-sign-him-before-he-reconsiders/2011/12/13/gIQAAYRNsO_story.html]London Fletcher believes in Redskins, who should re-sign him before he reconsiders - The Washington Post[/url]

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My favorite redskin

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I'd keep him around as long as he plays if he is willing. Then I'd figure out a way to make him a coach.

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We need more guys like Fletcher, Kerrigan, Helu, Orakpo, etc.

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....the Giants would love to have him.

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[quote=FRPLG;867858]I'd keep him around as long as he plays if he is willing. Then I'd figure out a way to make him a coach.[/quote]

I 2nd that. I coached inside backers in HS and college for years, i used to think Singletary was the best at getting everybody lined up, using his reads, and locking in on his keys, but Fletcher is right there on his heels. Singletary had a harder job with the 46, but Fletchers emotion and atention to detail is amazing. Keep him forever!!!

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Keep LF. Like said, we need more leaders like him.

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I'd hope we keep Fletcher as well, but if he signs somewhere else, I think we should think about drafting Luke Kuechly from Boston College.

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[quote=FRPLG;867858]I'd keep him around as long as he plays if he is willing. Then I'd figure out a way to make him a coach.[/quote]

Like Keenan McCardell?

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;867878]I 2nd that. I coached inside backers in HS and college for years, i used to think Singletary was the best at getting everybody lined up, using his reads, and locking in on his keys, but Fletcher is right there on his heels. Singletary had a harder job with the 46, but[B] Fletchers emotion and atention to detail is amazing. Keep him forever!![/B]![/quote]


Yeah i agree and he is the face of the entire team in my opinion. Of all the players we overpaid throughout Danny's tenure, Fletcher is one player that i would be cool with giving way too much.

From SFREDSKINS article:

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Really, there’s no need to negotiate. Fletcher could probably dump his agent for this one. The Redskins should simply ask the fair-minded Fletcher how much he wants to continue to provide the type of professionalism uncommon in their organization.
[/quote]

That article is the best thing about the Redskins ive read in a while, thanks for posting it.

Does anyone know know where Fletcher's primary residence is? As good of a player is i wonder what team he would want to stay connected with after retirement. If this was his last year do you think he sees himself as a Redskin, Bill, or Ram?

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[quote=mlmpetert;867918]Yeah i agree and he is the face of the entire team in my opinion. Of all the players we overpaid throughout Danny's tenure, Fletcher is one player that i would be cool with giving way too much.

From SFREDSKINS article:



That article is the best thing about the Redskins ive read in a while, thanks for posting it.

Does anyone know know where [B]Fletcher's primary residence[/B] is? As good of a player is i wonder what team he would want to stay connected with after retirement. If this was his last year do you think he sees himself as a Redskin, Bill, or Ram?[/quote]

This is something that we often overlook as fans, the very basic things in life we take for granted like a home, schools, etc. For most of us, the older we get the less inclined we are to pack up & move. Fletch is at the point of his career where he's certainly not likely to get enough $ to move solely for $.

He might go somewhere like NO, as Schneed suggests, because its simply a good fit, good coach & less adjustment. A lot of other teams might offer a chance for another super bowl, but he may not be inclined to want to start over again. I think he'll stay unless he feels insulted by the Skins contract offer.

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Bruce Allen is no fool. He knows what Fletcher means to this Redskins team. He's a leader on defense, arguably the best MLB-ILB in the NFL. He knows Fletcher could very well be on his way to his 3rd consecutive pro bowl. If the Redskins can make Donovan McNabb a deal mid season in 2010, they can make London Fletcher a deal before free agency begins after the Super Bowl.

I'm very optimistic that Allen and Fletcher's agent will get a deal done very fast. The Redskins without London Fletcher is like the Baltimore Ravens without Ray Lewis. Not going to happen!!!!

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I am going to tell you guys, I love London Fletcher. But if he wants the 7.1 million we payed him this year, we dont need him. Where have we really gone with him. I am sure we can get a young LB for 4 to 5 million and use the overage to help pay for another corner.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;867953]Bruce Allen is no fool. He knows what Fletcher means to this Redskins team. He's a leader on defense, arguably the best MLB-ILB in the NFL. He knows Fletcher could very well be on his way to his 3rd consecutive pro bowl. If the Redskins can make Donovan McNabb a deal mid season in 2010, they can make London Fletcher a deal before free agency begins after the Super Bowl.

I'm very optimistic that Allen and Fletcher's agent will get a deal done very fast. The Redskins without London Fletcher is like the Baltimore Ravens without Ray Lewis. Not going to happen!!!![/quote]

Since you invoke the name of Ray Lewis in your post, how can you also assert that London Fletcher is "arguably the best MLB-ILB in the NFL" ? Fletcher is the best defensive player on the Redskins; he is not the best MLB/ILB in the NFL so long as these guys are on NFL rosters:
[INDENT]Ray Lewis
Brian Urlacher
Patrick Willis[/INDENT]
That list came off the top of my head; there could well be two or three others in the NFL who belong there but it is not worth the effort to go team-by-team through the league.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;868051]Since you invoke the name of Ray Lewis in your post, how can you also assert that London Fletcher is "arguably the best MLB-ILB in the NFL" ? Fletcher is the best defensive player on the Redskins; he is not the best MLB/ILB in the NFL so long as these guys are on NFL rosters:
[INDENT]Ray Lewis
Brian Urlacher
Patrick Willis[/INDENT]
That list came off the top of my head; there could well be two or three others in the NFL who belong there but it is not worth the effort to go team-by-team through the league.[/quote]

Navorro Bowman and Patrick Willis are probably the best LB duo in the NFL right now.

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Per Has, Fletch will be here next year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;868053]Navorro Bowman and Patrick Willis are probably the best LB duo in the NFL right now.[/quote]

Bowman/Willis
Suggs/Lewis
Briggs/Urlacher

Those three tandems are all Outstanding. Given the age factor, I would take Bownam/Willis if I were starting a new franchise - - but that statement intends ZERO disrespect for the other two tandems...

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As long as Fletcher is not looking for a big time payday, I'll take him back on the team any day. He's the best FA signing this team has ever made.

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Shanahan-Says-Re-signing-Fletcher-a-Priority/7a42ca83-5294-44a8-9967-04840a9d4b5b]Shanahan Says Re-signing Fletcher a 'Priority'[/url]

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Fletch will be reasonable and we will resign him........

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He is a great leader, and with a defense as young as ours, we NEED him. I want to see him retire as a Redskin (eventually).

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[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/16/gregg-williams-agrees-to-join-rams-staff/"]Gregg Williams agrees to join Rams staff | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

I was a person that thought that because of Fletcher's history and respect for GW that he might entertain an offer from NO, that is if a whole bunch of other stuff happens first (i guess i should have tweeted "Fletcher to the Saints VERY LIKELY".....).

Now with GW moving to St. Louis i dont think we have much to worry about. Besides having played in St Louis, i doubt Fletcher would want to start over with another team thats rebuilding. Hopefully this makes it easier for us to sign him sooner rather than later.

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NO already has Vilma at MLB anyway.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;867964]I am going to tell you guys, I love London Fletcher. But if he wants the 7.1 million we payed him this year, [B]we dont need him. [/B]Where have we really gone with him. I am sure we can get a young LB for 4 to 5 million and use the overage to help pay for another corner.[/quote]

You are right... We don't need a guy that was #1 in tackles in the ENTIRE NFL and the emotional leader on our defense. PSHHH, who needs that?

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[quote=SkinzWin;876324]You are right... We don't need a guy that was #1 in tackles in the ENTIRE NFL and the emotional leader on our defense. PSHHH, who needs that?[/quote]
LOL, I just read a post in another thread where the poster was crying about the terrible treatment Carlos received from the Skins FO.
NOW I read that we should should unload a guy that represents...produces.... IS the QB of the D..Hardcore RedSkin.....WTF?

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Sign him but I also saw that D'qwell Jackson will be a free agent he is a fletcher clone and former maryland alumn. He would be a great second option

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From what I hear, the Eagles will make Fletcher an offer in free agency. [Aside: If ever there were a team in need of linebackers and leadership from the linebacker position, it would have to be the Eagles.]

What is most interesting about that is that the Eagles have sworn off signing free agents over 30 years old - - and Fletcher can barely see 30 years old in the rear view mirror.

I have NO idea what kind of offer they will make or if it would even be tempting, but stand by for the contacts to be made...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;876390]From what I hear, the Eagles will make Fletcher an offer in free agency. [Aside: If ever there were a team in need of linebackers and leadership from the linebacker position, it would have to be the Eagles.]

What is most interesting about that is that the Eagles have sworn off signing free agents over 30 years old - - and Fletcher can barely see 30 years old in the rear view mirror.

I have NO idea what kind of offer they will make or if it would even be tempting, but stand by for the contacts to be made...[/quote]

As Deion would say, PAY DA MAN. Don't even let him get to free agency. F that shit. If the Redskins f this up, they deserve whatever comes their way. I don't have a single reason as to why he should not be resigned.

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When I think of the Redskins these days London Fletcher comes to the top of my mind. He is the leader of this team and a guy who works his ass off day in and out. I hope we can keep quality players and guys like Fletcher. He is a TRUE Redskin.