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[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/joe-paterno-penn-state-football-coach-center-unholy-mess-article-1.974071]Joe Paterno, Penn State football coach, at center of an unholy mess - NY Daily News[/url]

Lupica states my reaction if i woulda witnessed that in the boys shower. Sandusky woulda ended up in the hospital and lost all his teeth

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All of the things Joe Pa has done means absolutely nothing now. He had a chance to do what's right and chose to look the other way. I don't normally wish bad things on people, but I hope every single one of these guys die a horrible death. Here's to hoping they get hit by buses while crossing the street.

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It looks like this may be the end of JoePa...

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1&src=tp[/url]

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One of many people who need to step down.

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[quote=SmootSmack;857103]One of many people who need to step down.[/quote]

Makes you wonder if the Board of Trustees knew. No doubt the President, university attorney (if he was remotely aware), and Joe Pa should be out the door. I mean, none of this "resign" crap, I mean a foot up the ass as in FIRED. How can anybody in the top administration keep their jobs after this? Hell, even that WR coach (the GA that saw it) should lose his job as well.

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[quote=SmootSmack;857103]One of many people who need to step down.[/quote]

I think we could see Penn State's president gone too. He already wasn't very popular with the PA Legislature and the Governor due to the whole issue of steep budget cuts. I can definitely see some political pressure for him to step down over this as well.

UPDATE: Now there are rumors on Twitter that JoePa has been fired.

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[QUOTE]It's almost as if Karl Swanson is in charge of their PR. [/QUOTE]

I have to admit. This comment on another forum made me laugh.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7207465/penn-state-nittany-lions-sex-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky-was-campus-last-week-reports-say]Penn State Nittany Lions' sex abuse scandal -- Jerry Sandusky was on campus last week, reports say - ESPN[/url]

The child molester had access to the school up to last week. I can't wait till they get buried in civil suits. Hope the school's football program goes bankrupt.

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A major house cleaning is coming and Joe Pa should be first. This all happened on his watch. He should step down TODAY! But he's such a hard head he's probably thinks he's not to blame. His DC was playing around with little boys in the shower and he knew about it and looked the other way. The whole administration department looked the other way. So dispicable.

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Looks like his departure is in the works.

[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7207730/penn-state-nittany-lions-call-joe-paterno-news-conference]Penn State Nittany Lions call off Joe Paterno's news conference - ESPN[/url]

It really is such a shame for all of college football. Such a legend goes out like loser. Oh well, it's deserved.

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[quote=NC_Skins;857113][URL="http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7207465/penn-state-nittany-lions-sex-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky-was-campus-last-week-reports-say"]Penn State Nittany Lions' sex abuse scandal -- Jerry Sandusky was on campus last week, reports say - ESPN[/URL]

The child molester had access to the school up to last week. I can't wait till they get buried in civil suits. Hope the school goes bankrupt.[/quote]

I feel bad for all the current players and coaches that had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. There are going to be a lot of innocent people very negatively affected by all the legal crap about to come to down on that school. It's gonna be really, really ugly.

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What I don't understand is why didn't the guy ( Mike whoever, think he's the red head on the sidelines) who actually saw it, put a stop to it??? I would've walked into that shower, punched Sanduski as hard as I could, grabbed that 10 year old and got him outta there. How could this guy witness such a sick thing and not do anything about it? He should just pack his shit and leave Happy Valley today and Joe Pa should be right behind him.

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Does the school gain anything for firing Joe Pa rather than letting him step down? More from a legal viewpoint?

I personally would respect Penn St. more if they fired him.

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[quote=GMScud;857119]I feel bad for all the current players and coaches that had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. There are going to be a lot of innocent people very negatively affected by all the legal crap about to come to down on that school. It's gonna be really, really ugly.[/quote]

He wants to coach on Sat. I seriously can't stand Paterno. He should be fired today.

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[quote=Daseal;857122]Does the school gain anything for firing Joe Pa rather than letting him step down? More from a legal viewpoint?

I personally would respect Penn St. more if they fired him.[/quote]

Anything to be gained or respect? Well, I think that ship has sailed. But a good old firing would definitely help the Penn State community and the victims put an emphatic end to this horrible chapter in the school's history.

I'll add, the quicker the NCAA steps up and levy some heavy sanctions, given what they know, will help folks get a little closure for now. I'm sure they have to allow the investigation to run it's course before they can step in with a heavy hand, but by God they need to do something in the name of honor and integrity.

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[quote=NC_Skins;857113][url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7207465/penn-state-nittany-lions-sex-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky-was-campus-last-week-reports-say]Penn State Nittany Lions' sex abuse scandal -- Jerry Sandusky was on campus last week, reports say - ESPN[/url]

The child molester had access to the school up to last week. I can't wait till they get buried in civil suits. Hope the school goes bankrupt.[/quote]

Everyone involved needs to be severely punished.

That said, there are thousands of people at Penn St. and the vast majority of them had nothing at all to do with this scandal. Why would you wish so much harm on so many innocent people? Why should innocent others lose their educations, their jobs, etc., due to bankruptcy?

Someone else here said it correctly: you are one angry, hate-filled dude. It must be sad to go through life carrying so much hatred.

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[quote=skinsfan69;857121]What I don't understand is why didn't the guy ( Mike whoever, think he's the red head on the sidelines) who actually saw it, put a stop to it??? I would've walked into that shower, punched Sanduski as hard as I could, grabbed that 10 year old and got him outta there. How could this guy witness such a sick thing and not do anything about it? He should just pack his shit and leave Happy Valley today and Joe Pa should be right behind him.[/quote]

Sometimes it's easier said than done. We all would like to say that we would do this, but unless we are put in that same situation, we really can't say for sure what our actions would be. I would think that a fair number of people would go into shock, honestly. It's not something that anyone ever expects to witness, let alone need to react to.

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[quote=Lotus;857126]Everyone involved needs to be severely punished.

That said, there are thousands of people at Penn St. and the vast majority of them had nothing at all to do with this scandal. Why would you wish so much harm on so many innocent people? Why should innocent others lose their educations, their jobs, etc., due to bankruptcy?

Someone else here said it correctly: you are one angry, hate-filled dude. It must be sad to go through life carrying so much hatred.[/quote]

I was talking about their football program, not the university as a whole.


Yes. I have a hatred for corruption and child molestation. My life is happy and I'm a very happy non-angry person. Don't judge me.

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[quote=GMScud;857118]Looks like his departure is in the works.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7207730/penn-state-nittany-lions-call-joe-paterno-news-conference"]Penn State Nittany Lions call off Joe Paterno's news conference - ESPN[/URL]

It really is such a shame for all of college football. [B]Such a legend goes out like loser. Oh well, it's deserved[/B].[/quote]Outside of the lives of the victims and their families that will be forever haunted/tortured by the evil acts of Sandusky, the saddest part is that JoePa could've saved Penn St. from the ongoing scandal by immediately and forcefully addressing the situation and involving the authorities.

He failed when called upon to act in the interest of the defenseless and he deserves everything that is coming towards him.

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[quote=cpayne5;857127]Sometimes it's easier said than done. We all would like to say that we would do this, but unless we are put in that same situation, we really can't say for sure what our actions would be. [I]I would think that a fair number of people would go into shock, honestly. It's not something that anyone ever expects to witness, let alone need to react to[/I].[/quote]I can understand your point, but to continue at the university and to stand on Penn St. sidelines after knowing what happened has absolutely no defense.

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[quote=NC_Skins;857129]I was talking about their football program, not the university as a whole.


Yes. I have a hatred for corruption and child molestation. My life is happy and I'm a very happy non-angry person. Don't judge me.[/quote]

You specifically said you hope the whole school goes bankrupt. Why would you want that? Thousands of kids with ZERO to do with this would have their college life ruined, thousands of people would lose jobs...

The only people who should suffer for this are the ones who had knowledge of it and didn't act accordingly. And of course Sandusky. But the truth of the matter is, plenty of people that had nothing to do with the scandal are going to suffer as well, which is a shame.

Why wish bankruptcy on the school??

[quote=NC_Skins;857113][URL="http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7207465/penn-state-nittany-lions-sex-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky-was-campus-last-week-reports-say"][COLOR=#0066cc]Penn State Nittany Lions' sex abuse scandal -- Jerry Sandusky was on campus last week, reports say - ESPN[/COLOR][/URL]
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The child molester had access to the school up to last week. I can't wait till they get buried in civil suits. [B]Hope the school goes bankrupt[/B].[/quote]

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[quote=GMScud;857133]You specifically said you hope the whole school goes bankrupt. Why would you want that? Thousands of kids with ZERO to do with this would have their college life ruined, thousands of people would lose jobs...

The only people who should suffer for this are the ones who had knowledge of it and didn't act accordingly. And of course Sandusky. But the truth of the matter is, plenty of people that had nothing to do with the scandal are going to suffer as well, which is a shame.

Why wish bankruptcy on the school??[/quote]

I did say that, but I should have clarified my intent. The reason they hid this was to protect the big money football program. It is a shame that many people are going to have to lose their jobs on the football staff over this. (I imagine they'll clean out the whole lot of them at the end of year) I also feel bad for the current football players there. But guess what? None of what they have to go through even touches what those kids and parents have to go through.

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Joe Paterno is garbage. All he apparently cared about was wining and setting meaningless records. I wonder if the fcking clowns at the NCAA are going to punish the school the same way they would punish them if the players were getting paid or some such.

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[quote=GMScud;857119]I feel bad for all the current players and coaches that had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. There are going to be a lot of innocent people very negatively affected by all the legal crap about to come to down on that school. It's gonna be really, really ugly.[/quote]

I proposed earlier that Penn State receive a 4 year ban similar to USC. If I recall correctly newer students at USC were given the option to transfer within the FBS without the normal eligibility consequences. I imagine if the banhammer does get laid down that Penn States players would have similar options.

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[url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerry-Sandusky-1986-Penn-State-National-Championship-Ring-/120808045210?pt=Vintage_Sports_Memorabilia&hash=item1c20b87a9a#ht_500wt_1314]Jerry Sandusky 1986 Penn State National Championship Ring | eBay[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;857140]I proposed earlier that Penn State receive a 4 year ban similar to USC. If I recall correctly newer students at USC were given the option to transfer within the FBS without the normal eligibility consequences. I imagine if the banhammer does get laid down that Penn States players would have similar options.[/quote]

The thing about that is no NCAA violations occurred so I don't see how any sanctions could occur against their football program.

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isnt breaking the law an ncaa violation?

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EDIT: Withdrawing post: Reread original post - I misread and misapplied it.

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[quote=GMScud;857133]The only people who should suffer for this are the ones who had knowledge of it and didn't act accordingly. And of course Sandusky. But the truth of the matter is, plenty of people that had nothing to do with the scandal are going to suffer as well, which is a shame.[/quote]

It is unfortunate. I would hope that would make the penalty for those who caused the innocent - beyond the actual victims of Sandusky - much much stiffer than mere forced resignation. Joe Pa may have done a world of good during his tenure, but his (and others) actions/non-actions hurt many in the past and will hurt others in the future b/c of the reprecussions.

Just deplorable.

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[quote=dmek25;857198]isnt breaking the law an ncaa violation?[/quote]

Well I mean lets be honest kids. Giving a young man a Cadillac or paying them a $100 an hour to mow the lawn is much worse then having a major case of pedophilia slip your mind.

What I want to know is whats the deal with the witness. Why did he go to just Joe Pa and University officials? If I was above the age of 10 I would be sure to contact the police.

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[quote=12thMan;857162][url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerry-Sandusky-1986-Penn-State-National-Championship-Ring-/120808045210?pt=Vintage_Sports_Memorabilia&hash=item1c20b87a9a#ht_500wt_1314]Jerry Sandusky 1986 Penn State National Championship Ring | eBay[/url][/quote]

27 bids. Looks like NAMBLA is alive and well.

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[quote=NC_Skins;857129]I was talking about their football program, not the university as a whole.


Yes. I have a hatred for corruption and child molestation. My life is happy and I'm a very happy non-angry person. Don't judge me.[/quote]

You can't punish the people who had nothing to do with it. No way they shut down the program. That's ridiculous.

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[url=http://tracking.si.com/2011/11/09/joe-paterno-addresses-fans-outside-his-house/]Joe Paterno Addresses Fans Outside His House | SI Tracking Blog – Tracking the MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and NCAA On Twitter[/url]


How can those idiots be chanting and supporting this dude?...lol

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[quote=NC_Skins;857320][url=http://tracking.si.com/2011/11/09/joe-paterno-addresses-fans-outside-his-house/]Joe Paterno Addresses Fans Outside His House | SI Tracking Blog – Tracking the MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and NCAA On Twitter[/url]


How can those idiots be chanting and supporting this dude?...lol[/quote]

They're probably all members of NAMBLA

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[quote=NC_Skins;857320][url=http://tracking.si.com/2011/11/09/joe-paterno-addresses-fans-outside-his-house/]Joe Paterno Addresses Fans Outside His House | SI Tracking Blog – Tracking the MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and NCAA On Twitter[/url]


How can those idiots be chanting and supporting this dude?...lol[/quote]

Unbelievable...I guess they too would rather have a child molester around impressionable young men than embarrass the football program.

I hope thier football program is gutted to the point of no recovery.

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[quote=NC_Skins;857320][url=http://tracking.si.com/2011/11/09/joe-paterno-addresses-fans-outside-his-house/]Joe Paterno Addresses Fans Outside His House | SI Tracking Blog – Tracking the MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and NCAA On Twitter[/url]


How can those [B][I][U]idiots[/U][/I][/B] be chanting and supporting this dude?...lol[/quote]

I believe you answered the question yourself there. Idc how long his tenure is, how many wins he has, or how much good he's done for the program. He helped cover up a friend of his who was raping little boys. If somebody like Frank Beamer or Bud Foster was ever accused of such a heinous crime, VT fan or not, I wouldn't give two shits about the success he's brought to the football team. I'd be calling for his ass too. This is one of those things I draw the line on.

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[quote=GMScud;856853]It just goes to show that College Football is put above everything else. Some of the most deplorable acts known to man are swept under the rug by otherwise intelligent, successful men just to avoid damaging the program and all the money it brings in. Sickening.

The fact that the graduate assistant (a 28 year old man at the time) walked into shower room and saw Sandusky bending over a 10 year old and didn't go straight to the cops.... WTF? Or the fact that the university knew this stuff was going on and all they did was take Sandusky's keys?

It's a shame a coach that has done so much good for the sport is gonna go out like this... but I don't see how this doesn't end with Joe Pa stepping down. It has too.[/quote]
Exactly , well put Scud . I hope Sandusky lives a long , long time in prison .

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I tried to take a few days to make sure I wasn't overreacting.

Plain and simple JoePa and plenty of others had a moral obligation to do what it took to stop this. I can understand within the context of the situation them initially trying to figure out how to deal with this internally..they're dealing with a trusted coworker they've worked with for 30 years...but eventually everybody sits in a room and figures out they have to call the cops. Anyone who knew about this should be fired...end of story.

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Victim number up to 20 now.

[url=http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter]Exclusive: Victims Double In Penn State Case[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;857398]Victim number up to 20 now.

[url=http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter]Exclusive: Victims Double In Penn State Case[/url][/quote]

Shocker. Rot in hell Jerry Sandusky.