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[quote=SmootSmack;926317]Couldn't get a job? Wasn't he in Medical School?[/quote]


He was hiding there , a professional student afraid of the real world.

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[quote=Giantone;931540]He was hiding there , a professional student afraid of the real world.[/quote]

Much like most of the tenured Professors around the country.

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What the hell is wrong with Fox News?

[url=http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/08/23/735671/fox-news-publishes-name-of-seal-who-led-bin-laden-raid/?mobile=nc]Fox News Publishes Name Of SEAL Who Led Bin Laden Raid | ThinkProgress[/url]


Nice job you dumbasses.

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[quote=NC_Skins;933084]What the hell is wrong with Fox News?

[URL="http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/08/23/735671/fox-news-publishes-name-of-seal-who-led-bin-laden-raid/?mobile=nc"]Fox News Publishes Name Of SEAL Who Led Bin Laden Raid | ThinkProgress[/URL]


Nice job you dumbasses.[/quote]

You don't think this was deliberate?

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NBC (owned by GE), ABC (Disney), CBS, coverage of Romney 47% video vs. Obama Redistribution comments. And this is our "unbiased" media? lol.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/27/study-networks-seized-on-romney-hidden-camera-remark-downplayed-obama/]Study: Networks seized on Romney's hidden-camera remark, downplayed Obama's | Fox News[/url]

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Slingin Sammy -- if you don't see a difference between those two issues and why one is more news worthy than another I feel bad for you.

1) Chronology: Something Obama said in 1998 ([b]14 years ago[/b]) versus something Romney said on the campaign trail.
2) Content: Obama talked about pooling resources and redistributing them in moderation within the government to increase effectiveness. Romney said that 47% of the people he didn't have a chance to get their vote (fair comment) but then goes on to call them all deadbeats who rely on government is absolutely wrong.

When it comes down to it. One guy was insulting almost half of the American public while the other said he's fine with redistributing government funds to make the government MORE EFFICIENT. What exactly is your gripe here? The fact that the media are picking up on the far more interesting, timely, and relevant story? Please.

It's not as if the Obama tape didn't get any national coverage. We all read or saw about it already. Everyone here knows about the tape-- so it was obviously discussed at some point.

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[quote=Daseal;945995]Slingin Sammy -- if you don't see a difference between those two issues and why one is more news worthy than another I feel bad for you.

1) Chronology: Something Obama said in 1998 ([B]14 years ago[/B]) versus something Romney said on the campaign trail.
2) Content: Obama talked about pooling resources and redistributing them in moderation within the government to increase effectiveness. Romney said that 47% of the people he didn't have a chance to get their vote (fair comment) but then goes on to call them all deadbeats who rely on government is absolutely wrong.

When it comes down to it. One guy was insulting almost half of the American public while the other said he's fine with redistributing government funds to make the government MORE EFFICIENT. What exactly is your gripe here? The fact that the media are picking up on the far more interesting, timely, and relevant story? Please.

It's not as if the Obama tape didn't get any national coverage. We all read or saw about it already. Everyone here knows about the tape-- so it was obviously discussed at some point.[/quote]If you don't see that the media coverage of both campaigns' "tapegate" was baised against Romney, I feel bad for you and our country.

Romney was at a fundraiser with GOP heavy hitters and was using the percentage of people in the US who don't pay Fed income tax. Was his statement fundamentally wrong for not taking into account folks on SS, Medicare, etc., yes. Was his point correct, that those who are receiving gov't aid without paying into the system unlikely to vote for someone who wants to scale back entitlements, yes.

Here are Obama's exact words:
"I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities."

There is no question Obama is speaking about redistribution of tax dollars from certain segments of the population to other segments in this quote, not making gov't more efficient. It appears you've bought the NBC, ABC, CBS (read media arms of the DNC) spin. If you think Obama's core principles have changed since he made this quote, you are dead-wrong.

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Nice job Fox.


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[url=http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/09/fox-apologizes-for-airing-footage-of-man-shooting-self-in-head-80425.html]Fox apologizes for airing footage of man shooting self in head | WJLA.com[/url]


:doh:

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^amazingly stupid.

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Horrible. Wow.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;946329]Nice job Fox.


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[url=http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/09/fox-apologizes-for-airing-footage-of-man-shooting-self-in-head-80425.html]Fox apologizes for airing footage of man shooting self in head | WJLA.com[/url]


:doh:[/QUOTE]

So where is all the outrage from the same people that got all up in arms about the Janet Jackson SB scandal?

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[quote=Ruhskins;946573]So where is all the outrage from the same people that got all up in arms about the Janet Jackson SB scandal?

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII using Tapatalk 2.[/quote]

As someone else said and I agree, it's a shame and horrible but at least he didn't take out 15 kids at a school, etc.

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I have always felt that FoxNews is the least bias of all the major networks when it came to reporting the news. And that combined with their popularity Fox only gets a bad wrap because people cant separate their opinion shows from their news shows. They watch Bill ORielly and think thats what the whole network is like.

From a speach by Patrick Caddell:

[quote]You know, when I first started in politics – and for a long time before that – everyone on both sides, Democrats and Republicans, despised the press commonly, because they were SOBs to everybody. Which is exactly what they should be. They were unrelenting. Whatever the biases were, they were essentially equal-opportunity people. [/quote]

Read more: [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/29/mainstream-media-threatening-our-country-future/#ixzz28S1zM86z"]Mainstream media is threatening our country's future | Fox News[/URL]

Someone mentioned in this thread that not reporting something is the worst thing a news network can do. I completely agree and it was the main reason i found Fox the least biased. Fox questions everything and brings to light things other networks decide to pass on. So if you think what Caddell said above is the way the press is susposed to act then Fox has been the recent leader in carrying out its duties as a member of the press.

However i now think Fox is starting to go from the least biased reporting network to as biased as everyone else.

About 2-3 weeks ago foxnews.com started putting up a "Bias Alert" section on a prominent part of their website. Many of the articles in World, Politics, and US have started to be right leaning pieces. Before opinion pieces were always identified as such. Now there are more of them and Fox is also mixing them in without making it clear. Im very troubled by this.

Im torn on the Bias Alert section because in my opinion biased news has become news itself and worthy of reporting on. I think exposing news makers of bias is very very important for everyone, left and right. But everything Fox has posted since implementing the Bias Alert section has been examples of liberal bias. There has also been a couple big stretches in what they have been labeling as bias. Nonetheless the Bias Alert has been there every time ive logged in, and not just when truely warrented.

Im thinking that they have been labeled right for so long that they think they might as well start acting like it. I mean people genuinely think everything on Fox News is right wing stuff, and that you only turn on Fox to get right wing news. So if they are unable to compete for center and left winged viewers then it might make more sense to go further to the right in their reporting. Afterall theyre going to be labeled right winged no matter what, so they might as well play into it.

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[quote=mlmpetert;949237]I have always felt that FoxNews is the least bias of all the major networks when it came to reporting the news. And that combined with their popularity Fox only gets a bad wrap because people cant separate their opinion shows from their news shows.[/quote]


O'rlly?



Check this out. FOX invites military expert for interview about Benghazi deal. Guest tells them they are blowing it out of proportion and gets cut ASAP.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/fox-news-guest-slams-fox/2012/11/26/0fa50b88-37f1-11e2-b01f-5f55b193f58f_blog.html]Fox News guest slams Fox - Erik Wemple - The Washington Post[/url]

[url=http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/guest-on-fox-news-to-discuss-benghazi-attack-is-given-a-quick-exit/?smid=tw-share]Guest on Fox News to Discuss Benghazi Attack Is Given a Quick Exit - NYTimes.com[/url]



Following day, this same news agency claims he made a "private apology" for slamming the news source.

[url=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tom-ricks-fox-news-network-michael-clemente-394165]Tom Ricks on Fox News: Network VP Says Controversial Guest Apologized - Hollywood Reporter[/url]

Reality is, he didn't apologize.

[url=http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/fox-news-tom-ricks-apologized-for-benghazi-criticism]Fox News: Tom Ricks Apologized For Benghazi Criticism; Ricks: No, I Didn't | TPM LiveWire[/url]

[quote]But that's news to Ricks, who told THR in his own email that he never offered an apology to Fox — privately or publicly.

"Please ask Mr. Clemente what the words of my supposed apology were. I'd be interested to know," Ricks said. "Frankly, I don't remember any such apology."[/quote]


Unbiased my ass. Are you kidding me?.. :laughing-

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[quote=NC_Skins;946329]Nice job Fox.


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[URL="http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/09/fox-apologizes-for-airing-footage-of-man-shooting-self-in-head-80425.html"]Fox apologizes for airing footage of man shooting self in head | WJLA.com[/URL]


:doh:[/quote]

You know how many tax dollars are saved when criminals just blow their brains out. Thank you and nice shot.

Fox News the least biased?

Probably the funniest thing I've heard in a really long time.

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They are all bias in one way or the other. Its like the left saying MSNBC is not bias. Funny people here use a bias source to prove the other one is bias.

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The only vaguely unbiased news outlet I recommend is al Jazeera as their bias is blatant and easily filtered. A very good source for news, in all seriousness.

No US outlet is untainted.

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[quote=RedskinRat;968734]The only vaguely unbiased news outlet I recommend is al Jazeera as their bias is blatant and easily filtered. A very good source for news, in all seriousness.

No US outlet is untainted.[/quote]

Al Jazeera is one of the most bias.

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You should never have faith in any organization whose sole objective is to increase value for its shareholders. Your faith should be reserved for people around you you love and respect, and those who are selfless in their actions.

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[quote=RedskinRat;968734]The only vaguely unbiased news outlet I recommend is al Jazeera as their bias is blatant and easily filtered. A very good source for news, in all seriousness.

No US outlet is untainted.[/quote]

[url=http://www.npr.org/]NPR : National Public Radio : News & Analysis, World, US, Music & Arts : NPR[/url]


[quote=firstdown;968740]Al Jazeera is one of the most bias.[/quote]

Examples?

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[quote=firstdown;968740]Al Jazeera is one of the most bias.[/quote]

Every moslem suicide bomber is referred to as a 'martyr'.

There are many more, but this nugget always infuriates me.

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[quote=NC_Skins;968976][URL="http://www.npr.org/"]NPR : National Public Radio : News & Analysis, World, US, Music & Arts : NPR[/URL][/quote]

I'll make an effort to listen to NPR some time, but the sound of the interviewer/host almost put me to sleep last time.

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[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/MSNBC Has Become Almost Entirely Saturated With Opinion, And Fox News Is Doing Much More Factual Reporting"]MSNBC Has Become Almost Entirely Saturated With Opinion, And Fox News Is Doing Much More Factual Reporting
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[quote=mlmpetert;999352][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/MSNBC Has Become Almost Entirely Saturated With Opinion, And Fox News Is Doing Much More Factual Reporting"]MSNBC Has Become Almost Entirely Saturated With Opinion, And Fox News Is Doing Much More Factual Reporting
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[IMG]http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/51471ca3ecad045a6e000020-475-382-550-/1-on-msnbc-opinion-dominates-reporting.png[/IMG][/quote]



Most people believe it to be the other way around.

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[quote=Giantone;999357]Most people believe it to be the other way around.[/quote]Do you have anything to back up this latest assertion of yours?

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[quote=HailGreen28;999382]Do you have anything to back up this latest assertion of yours?[/quote]

lol,....you mean other than turning on the TV and watching it myself and listen to what others say about it,no.
Glen Beck was on Fox at one point correct?


and I know this guy is all about "real news",not opinion!


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEenpJ0XCL4[/ame]

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[quote=NC_Skins;968976][url=http://www.npr.org/]NPR : National Public Radio : News & Analysis, World, US, Music & Arts : NPR[/url]




[/quote]

I do love my NPR. Especially morning edition and science fridays. I am not surprised about bias in the news. All of our media outlets, at least the major ones, are corporations and whether they swing left or right all corporations have an agenda.

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[quote=Giantone;999357]Most people believe it to be the other way around.[/quote]

Ignorance?

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[quote=Giantone;999414]lol,....you mean other than turning on the TV and watching it myself and listen to what others say about it,no.
Glen Beck was on Fox at one point correct?


and I know this guy is all about "real news",not opinion!


[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEenpJ0XCL4"]Bill O'Reilly GOES CRAZY In EPIC SEGMENT. This Is BULL BLANK. (O'Reilly vs Colmes) - YouTube[/URL][/quote]

Glen Beck was also on CNN/HLN at one point. He may have actually been on CNN for a longer time period than he was on Fox.

The truth is MSNBC is much more opinionated than anyother news source, including the evil Fox News. Something even more telling is this quote:

[quote]Not coincidentally, MSNBC also spends by far the least producing its news: some $240 million in 2012, according to an estimate by SNL Kagan. CNN spent $682 million, while Fox led the pack with an outlay of $820 million.[/quote]
[URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/03/18/pew-study-finds-msnbc-the-most-opinionated-cable-news-channel-by-far/"]Pew Study Finds MSNBC the Most Opinionated Cable News Channel By Far - Forbes[/URL]


There are a few reasons why Fox is so popular:
[URL="http://www.foxnewsgirls.com/"]Smoking hot news anchors [/URL]
Extremely high quality journalism and excellent production, [I]compared[/I] to competitors
Conservative bias, in a world where ever other media outlet has a liberal bias

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[quote=Giantone;999414]lol,....you mean other than turning on the TV and watching it myself and listen to what others say about it,no.
Glen Beck was on Fox at one point correct?


and I know this guy is all about "real news",not opinion!


[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEenpJ0XCL4"]Bill O'Reilly GOES CRAZY In EPIC SEGMENT. This Is BULL BLANK. (O'Reilly vs Colmes) - YouTube[/URL][/quote]

Wow, you figured out that O"Reilly is an opinion based show. At least he will bring on guest (as your clip shows) that disagree with him so they can debate the topic. All the opinion shows I see on MSNBC are from the left and the guess are just there to agree with the host. I don't have a problem with MSNBC because they don't hide what they are. Its the big three that come on every night at 6:30 and hide behind the name "NEWS" like its always facts to push their agenda.

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[quote=Giantone;999414]lol,....you mean other than turning on the TV and watching it myself and listen to what others say about it,no.
Glen Beck was on Fox at one point correct?


and I know this guy is all about "real news",not opinion!


[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEenpJ0XCL4]Bill O'Reilly GOES CRAZY In EPIC SEGMENT. This Is BULL BLANK. (O'Reilly vs Colmes) - YouTube[/url][/quote]

I am pretty confident you can understand a graph, but just in case, FoxNews is still over 50% commentary, which means if you turn it on, more than half the time you will be hearing opinions. Citing one or even two shows doesn't really prove anything. The question I have is, now that a "reputable" survey/research company has highlighted MSNBC's extreme level of opinion orientated programming does that change your opinion of them? Or do you discount what Pew research found, because bashing FoxNews is easier and more fun.

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Also, lets look at the sample size of that graph. The graph looks at each network on 3 days (Mon 11/26, Wed 12/5, Tue 12/18). Far from a definitive source on either side. I'm not familiar with each channel's 'lineup' on those days of the week, but day of the week can greatly skew opinion vs fact.

It doesn't matter which news source it is, I don't consider this poll very reliable. I also am curious what they consider opinion vs fact and how they split the two up. What we should really be concerned about is that 2 out of 3 are more opinion than fact, and the one that has more facts is closer than I'd like.

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[quote=Daseal;999454]Also, lets look at the sample size of that graph. The graph looks at each network on 3 days (Mon 11/26, Wed 12/5, Tue 12/18). Far from a definitive source on either side. I'm not familiar with each channel's 'lineup' on those days of the week, but day of the week can greatly skew opinion vs fact.

It doesn't matter which news source it is, I don't consider this poll very reliable. I also am curious what they consider opinion vs fact and how they split the two up. What we should really be concerned about is that 2 out of 3 are more opinion than fact, and the one that has more facts is closer than I'd like.[/quote]

Its not too hard to look at their line up and see it mostly opinions.

[url=http://www.locatetv.com/listings/msnbc#20-Mar-2013]MSNBC TV Schedule | LocateTV[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;999456]Its not too hard to look at their line up and see it mostly opinions.

[url=http://www.locatetv.com/listings/msnbc#20-Mar-2013]MSNBC TV Schedule | LocateTV[/url][/quote]

I'm not saying anyone did, but it's also easy to cherry pick days to monitor and days not to monitor to influence a poll. I'd like to see a span of 7 consecutive days, at a minimum, to really get a full picture of any news outlet. As I said, I'm really not trying to get into Fox vs MSNBC vs CNN, just that I don't consider 3 days a significant sample size.

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[quote=mlmpetert;999434]Glen Beck was also on CNN/HLN at one point. He may have actually been on CNN for a longer time period than he was on Fox.

The truth is MSNBC is much more opinionated than anyother news source, including the evil Fox News. Something even more telling is this quote:


[URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/03/18/pew-study-finds-msnbc-the-most-opinionated-cable-news-channel-by-far/"]Pew Study Finds MSNBC the Most Opinionated Cable News Channel By Far - Forbes[/URL]


There are a few reasons why Fox is so popular:
[URL="http://www.foxnewsgirls.com/"]Smoking hot news anchors [/URL]
Extremely high quality journalism and excellent production, [I]compared[/I] to competitors
Conservative bias, in a world where ever other media outlet has a liberal bias[/quote]



ignorance?

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[quote=Daseal;999454]Also, lets look at the sample size of that graph. The graph looks at each network on 3 days (Mon 11/26, Wed 12/5, Tue 12/18). Far from a definitive source on either side. I'm not familiar with each channel's 'lineup' on those days of the week, but day of the week can greatly skew opinion vs fact.

It doesn't matter which news source it is, I don't consider this poll very reliable. I also am curious what they consider opinion vs fact and how they split the two up. What we should really be concerned about is that 2 out of 3 are more opinion than fact, and the one that has more facts is closer than I'd like.[/quote]

The full research did take more than just those 3 days to analyze trends and topics, I would imagine pew used a representative sampling for graphing purposes:

[quote=from graph's article]To get a sense of the long-term trends in coverage, Pew’s researchers analyzed more than 700 hours of cable news programming consisting of more than 15,000 individual stories from 2007 and 2012.[/quote]

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[quote=Giantone;999414]lol,....you mean other than turning on the TV and watching it myself and listen to what others say about it,no.
Glen Beck was on Fox at one point correct?


and I know this guy is all about "real news",not opinion!


[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEenpJ0XCL4]Bill O'Reilly GOES CRAZY In EPIC SEGMENT. This Is BULL BLANK. (O'Reilly vs Colmes) - YouTube[/url][/quote]And Al Sharpton is on MSNBC. I suspect we'll say that everything we agree with is less biased than what we disagree with.

'Course in this discussion, I guess we can just categorize your claim as "opinion" rather than "news", and move on. Lol. :)

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Anybody who agrees with absolutely everything the President says and does like Sharpton, Chris Matthews and Madow is a complete f*(cking moron. Just like Fox pundits (Hannity, etc.) did when Bush was in the office.

People need to start thinking for themselves again. Its really effing sad.

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[quote=HailGreen28;999547]And Al Sharpton is on MSNBC. I suspect we'll say that everything we agree with is less biased than what we disagree with.

'Course in this discussion, I guess we can just categorize your claim as "opinion" rather than "news", and move on. Lol. :)[/quote]


...you mean your claim.:rolleyes: