They have to count lol

2 mannings
Brees
Rodgers
Romo
Ben
Flacco
Vick
Newton
Cutler
Schaub
Ryan
Rivers
Palmer
Bradford

Sanchez is avg man nothing special and his numbers show it, and thats with really good players around him

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Let's see what he does the rest of the season, then you can talk and same here.

I agree and for the record I wanted to draft Sanchez don't get me wrong I'd take him over Rex all day I just don't think he's much better than JC

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;867222]Just curious, who would you take? Manning, Brees, Brady, etc. don't count.[/quote]

Are they not QBs in the league? Why wouldn't they count?

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[quote=FRPLG;867253]Are they not QBs in the league? Why wouldn't they count?[/quote]

I'm comparing him to second tier or young QB's, not solid experienced stars. People have been ripping Sanchez, I think he's doing a good job.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;866732]I understand and partially agree with what you're saying but this hasn't been the case lately. If Tim Tebow never would of won the Heisman ESPN and everyone else wouldn't have sensationalized him to the degree that they did. The same can be said for Matt Leinert. No way would he would of been a top 10 pick if he didn't win the Heisman. Now that the media has gone into hype overdrive Robert Griffin will be the most talked about pick next to Luck, infact this whole draft season will be comparing the 2 non-stop and everyone will give their opinions as to who should draft who and why. It's going to be the lead in story for months to come just you wait.[/quote]

I'd say Tebow was a first round pick because he made Josh McDaniels fall in love with his intangibles and work ethic. Keep in mind Tebow was a college God before he won the Heisman. The ceremony was just a formality.

Matt Leinart on the other hand got picked in the first because he played extremely well in a pro style offense and was a major part in USC winning many big games (which is what got him the Heisman). On top of that Carson Palmer was coming off a pro bowl season, which to some scouts meant that SC's offense prepared QB's for the NFL. Obviously hind sight is 20-20 but on draft day few saw the captain check down party boy surrounded by blue chip talent.

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Some SC folks I know aren't convinced that Barkley is coming out this year, in fact he might be leaning towards staying. Also LT Matt Kalil staying for another year could make Barkley think twice about leaving.

That said..

If it's between Luck and RG3, I would be shocked if the Colts didn't take Luck with that the number one pick. The Colts are a QB ready system that compliments Luck's skill set and there's no way in hell he unseats Peyton Manning as the starter.

I don't think winning the Heisman caused RG3's stock to rise, but his speech and how he comported himself with class and humility on the national stage probably did, however. I'd be happy with either.

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just look at RGIII background and any team would be sold on him!

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[quote=12thMan;867407]Some SC folks I know aren't convinced that Barkley is coming out this year, in fact he might be leaning towards staying. Also LT Matt Kalil staying for another year could make Barkley think twice about leaving.

That said..

If it's between Luck and RG3, I would be shocked if the Colts didn't take Luck with that the number one pick. The Colts are a QB ready system that compliments Luck's skill set and there's no way in hell he unseats Peyton Manning as the starter.

I don't think winning the Heisman caused RG3's stock to rise, but his speech and how he comported himself with class and humility on the national stage probably did, however. I'd be happy with either.[/quote]

From what I understand Kalil staying all but confirms that Barkley will stay at SC. Which means next years class will be better.

Well we can't worry About next years class, the skins need to draft a QB now

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[quote=Dirtbag59;867469]From what I understand Kalil staying all but confirms that Barkley will stay at SC. Which means next years class will be better.[/quote]

Dirt, tryin to get someone to take this bait, huh? :)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867669]Well we can't worry About next years class, the skins need to draft a QB now[/quote]

True that.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;867469]From what I understand Kalil staying all but confirms that Barkley will stay at SC. Which means next years class will be better.[/quote]

Brilliant. LOL

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[quote=diehardskin2982;866719]My question to the forum would be Barkley or RGIII[/quote]

[quote=r08kessl;866720]RGIII by a mile. I would rather see us take a chance on someone that could be incredibly special than using a pick on a QB that's surrounded by first round talent from a program that has a history of producing QB's with overrated NFL potential.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I agree with both quotes. I would like to see who the people want between the two QBs. I would rather see us with RGIII. I don’t trust USC QB's. Palmer is probably the last decent QB they have produced.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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I would rather have RGIII also. Take a chance on him. So what if he doesn't "fit" the system right away. Tailor your gameplan to his strengths and watch him shine.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;867732]I would rather have RGIII also. Take a chance on him. So what if he doesn't "fit" the system right away. Tailor your gameplan to his strengths and watch him shine.[/quote]

this

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i think that is the first time we have agreed 100% on something.

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LOL Just like Skip and Stephen A Smith

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We have to take RGIII if he's there, Why in the world would a team DESPERATE for a QB for decades pass on a Legit Baller at the position? I'd be super pissed if we passed on him

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you being Skip in that metaphor of course.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;867744]you being Skip in that metaphor of course.[/quote]


LOL that's bush but I'll take it

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Obviously there is a lot to like about RGIII and if he wears burgundy next year I will be excited.

But that windup of his still gives me the willies. It's easier to get away with a windup like that in college than in the NFL - just ask Leftwich.

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[quote=Lotus;867750]Obviously there is a lot to like about RGIII and if he wears burgundy next year I will be excited.

But that windup of his still gives me the willies. It's easier to get away with a windup like that in college than in the NFL - just ask Leftwich.[/quote]


I'd rather have Luck of course but that ain't happening

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867749]LOL that's bush but I'll take it[/quote]

Bush my rear lol

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[quote=Lotus;867750]Obviously there is a lot to like about RGIII and if he wears burgundy next year I will be excited.

But that windup of his still gives me the willies. It's easier to get away with a windup like that in college than in the NFL - just ask Leftwich.[/quote]
There is nothing wrong with RG3's release. His release is very quick and he has a perfect over the top throwing motion. The only thing that worries me is his footwork at times. He tends to throw off his back foot a lot. However, good coaching can fix that.

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The Heisman is an excellent indicator of something about a QB.

He will not make it to the Super Bowl and win it. AVOID AT ALL COSTS!!!!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;866727]Lmao..

Or

Breaking News: The Washington Redskins trade their 2nd round pick for Mark Sanchez after the jets get Manning[/quote]

Fresh Veal chops waiting for Mr. Sanchez upon arrival at Redskins Park.

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Only thing that would have me worried about RG III is his injury from a year ago. Doesn't seemed to have bothered him much this season, but still, I'm always worried about players who are seriously hurt in college. How many of those guys go on to the NFL and have long, productive, healthy careers?

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[quote=skinsguy;868420]Only thing that would have me worried about RG III is his injury from a year ago. Doesn't seemed to have bothered him much this season, but still, I'm always worried about players who are seriously hurt in college. How many of those guys go on to the NFL and have long, productive, healthy careers?[/quote]He wasn't injured last year.

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[quote=Landry44;868425]He wasn't injured last year.[/quote]

Correction, the 2009 season, he missed with an ACL tear.

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So rumor has it (not that its a surprise) that RGIII's parents are looking at agents. I don't see any reason for him to stay in school. That defense is the reason he won't be in a BCS bowl game, and he just risks himself from getting injured next year. If its the whole law school thing that he's worried about, he can always get that degree later.

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[quote=Lotus;867750]Obviously there is a lot to like about RGIII and if he wears burgundy next year I will be excited.

But that windup of his still gives me the willies. It's easier to get away with a windup like that in college than in the NFL - just ask Leftwich.[/quote]

I agree. With the "windup", and the spread QB aspect of his college grooming, I find Barkley the more attractive QB prospect over RGIII.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;868438]So rumor has it (not that its a surprise) that RGIII's parents are looking at agents. I don't see any reason for him to stay in school. That defense is the reason he won't be in a BCS bowl game, and he just risks himself from getting injured next year. If its the whole law school thing that he's worried about, he can always get that degree later.[/quote]

Let's see in how many different threads we can bring this up

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[quote=r08kessl;866718]I would almost be more excited about him than Luck. Don't get me wrong, I think Luck is going to be an outstanding NFL QB, but after seeing all the articles and interviews with Griffin leading up to the Heisman I think he will be something special. In my opinion intelligence is more important than physical skills in terms of being a QB, but Griffin has both in spades.[/quote]

You're nuts. Luck's floor, talent wise, is higher than most of the qbs in this draft's ceiling. While we all know there is no such thing as a sure thing, Luck looks to be as close to one as you can get. Basically, the only thing that can keep Luck from being an elite qb, aside from injury, is Andrew Luck. In my opinion, the worst case scenario for Luck, injury not included is Jeff George. Jeff George, as we all know, was perhaps the most talented qb of the modern era but his ego was bigger than his talents.

If you can choose between any and all of the qbs in this draft, you take Luck 1000 times out of 1000 chances. It's a no brainer. He may be a bust, but no one will ever blame you for taking him.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;868447]I agree. With the "windup", and the spread QB aspect of his college grooming, I find Barkley the more attractive QB prospect over RGIII.[/quote]

I also feel that Barkley is the more polished qb, but there's just something about RGIII that I really like. I've never been a fan of the athlete qb, but this kid seems special. I was one of the people who felt that Newton would be a bust, and he still could be, but that is looking pretty weak right now. I also didn't see the hype in Dalton, but I may have missed the boat there. That being said, Dalton went in about the right spot, if we'd have taken him in the first, it would have been a big reach, right or not.

RGIII might have a tendency to drop the ball around hip level when he throws, but his release is quick and I don't think it would be that difficult for the Shanny's to fix it. Look at work out/combine video of Aaron Rodgers, his thowing motion was a mess. A couple years worth of NFL coaching later, and he's arguably the best qb in the NFL. His release is not a reason to pass on him.

Luck is clearly out of the question and as good as he more than likely will be, I'm not in favor of going "Ricky Williams" for him

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you guys are entirely missing the pint with RG# and Barley. Shanny and Kyle won't allow a guy like RG to prosper in this system. They would try to make hyim E;lway. Okay? it's true and ;you know it.

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[quote=12thMan;868464]you guys are entirely missing the pint with RG# and Barley. Shanny and Kyle won't allow a guy like RG to prosper in this system. They would try to make hyim E;lway. Okay? it's true and ;you know it.[/quote]

Maybe, maybe not. I don't believe in absolutes. What we do know though is that Shanny loves some playaction roll out passes. How good would RGIII look running them? The idea of having a running threat as well as someone who throws perhaps the prettiest deep ball in college football is at least intriguing.

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the4 idea? shanny picked up choice off the street and statred him over helu who will be the face of this franchise next year if we don't draft RG3., he started rashhat ard choice over roy helu...and til this day he will defend that choice (pun intended) ....that's all I need to know about shanahan.

Won't win a SB as skins head coach.

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[quote=12thMan;868467]the4 idea? shanny picked up choice off the street and statred him over helu who will be the face of this franchise next year if we don't draft RG3., he started rashhat ard choice over roy helu...and til this day he will defend that choice (pun intended) ....that's all I need to know about shanahan.

Won't win a SB as skins head coach.[/quote]


I'm not exactly sure I understand what you're saying. I'm talking about having RGIII as a threat to drop a beautiful deep ball down field to Moss or Hankerson or take off and make plays with his feet. I wasn't talking about Helu or any Skins RB. As for Helu, I can't imagine how good he could be if the line play improves as well as having a legit threat to throw the ball, which is just about anyone outside of the qbs currently on the roster. Hell, he's finding lanes with Rexy.