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[quote=skinsfaninok;867203]Yeah well the chances are statistically higher when drafting in the top 5 of each round[/quote]

Let's see your stats.

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Hall.. His attitude, effort and production have all been severely lacking for most of this season. I understand being frustrated, but after clearly committing a penalty to throw the flag back at the ref is immature, selfish and unacceptable. I think he's playing his last games for us.

Rak, where you been bro? You're validating the point of those who say you are solid to good but not great and disappear for long stretches. Raise your level.

Santana, catch the ball. Nuff said.

Me, because I was happy we played a competitive game, was thoroughly entertained but not crushed by the defeat because I have visions of RGIII dancing in my head and we are no worse off than we were at the beginning of the day in that regard.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;867209]Let's see your stats.[/QUOTE]

Lmao are u serious? It's been proven with many drafts, I'm
Not saying all the players in the top 10 are always better but yes top 10 talent usually ends up better than later 1st round picks

If you can sit there and say you'd rather have the 15th overall pick instead of the 5th you'd get laughed at

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[quote=NC_Skins;867209]Let's see your stats.[/quote]

I guess every year, teams selecting in the top five trade way down in the draft to get better players...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867213]If you can sit there and say you'd rather have the 15th overall pick instead of the 5th you'd get laughed at[/quote]

I want you to go back and see how many top 10 picks the Steelers and Packers have had, and then compare that with how many top 10 picks we or any other bottom feeder team has had in the past decade.


The only stat there is when it comes to 1st rounders is that they have a longer life span in the NFL. Now stop and think about that. How many times have we seen first rounders hang around all because they were a first rounder? Had Jason Campbell been a 7th round pick, do you think he would have been given 5 years? Alex Smith? Joey Harrington? Then look at the "project' type QBs/players and see how long they get. Not even a fraction of that type of time.

There are no stats(or none that I have seen) that say there is a higher chance of a "game changer" in the top 5 of the draft as compared to the back half.

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[quote=diehard;867227]I guess every year, teams selecting in the top five trade way down in the draft to get better players...[/quote]

...and most of those same teams are in drafting in the same place year after year. /gasp

Not all of those teams draft in the top 5 ev year lmao only Cleveland and they just suck and have forever

[QUOTE=diehard;867227]I guess every year, teams selecting in the top five trade way down in the draft to get better players...[/QUOTE]

Yep apparently

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867212]Lmao are u serious? It's been proven with many drafts, I'm
Not saying all the players in the top 10 are always better but yes top 10 talent usually ends up better than later 1st round picks[/quote]

Like Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith?

Lol quake we can do that all day

Manning compared to JC is the same thing

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867235]Lol quake we can do that all day

Manning compared to JC is the same thing[/quote]

I got nothing but time

And how???

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Speaking for myself, I would prefer to win every week....always....every time....always, and let the draft order be damned. As has been mentioned GB, NO, NE, PIT....etc have done ok with it?

Because manning was the 1st pick and is a HOF JC was a late 1st and sucks. It's not a given I never said that all I said was give me a top 5 pick all day because of the other rounds as well. If we had a good QB right now or a rookie I'd root to win these games and not care about a pick but we NEED a QB now and our chances at MB or RG3 will be by having a top 5 pick

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The only smack I have is for the refs. When is this crap going to stop? Just horrible calls on both sides. I was hoping that Fletcher was going to slap that ref across his face cause he deserved it. And the call on Carter was seriously the worst one I've ever seen. Some of those refs should've been fired after the game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;867245]The only smack I have is for the refs. When is this crap going to stop? Just horrible calls on both sides. I was hoping that Fletcher was going to slap that ref across his face cause he deserved it. And the call on Carter was seriously the worst one I've ever seen. Some of those refs should've been fired after the game.[/quote]
The league is making the rules almost impossible to consistently enforce. None of it makes total sense and none of the crews call stuff the same. At some point they're going to have to face the fact that legislating injuries out of a contact sport isn't practical.

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[quote=FRPLG;867251]The league is making the rules almost impossible to consistently enforce. None of it makes total sense and none of the crews call stuff the same. At some point they're going to have to face the fact that legislating injuries out of a contact sport isn't practical.[/quote]

Unfortunately, morons like James Harrison and Suh continue to commit these penalties, causing the league to continue with this policy. I do feel that penalties that occur at fast speeds, should be reviewed. Like that PF on Fletcher, there's no way that you can look at it at full speed and determine exactly what happened.

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I don't wanna dis Orakpo, but don't know what else to say about it. Guess I could just say how worried I am. This kid who looked like he could/would be a Ware type game-changer was almost absent, especially in the 2nd half. My hope: he's just tired of the tired and lackluster leadership from the sidelines. There is nothing inspiring about Jim Haslett's scheme or his style. Neither do I believe he truly has the respect of the players. Williams' defense played more inspired even when the offense was nearly as bad as this year's. And the Shanahans...ok, I won't go there today.

Yeah D. Hall. Let him walk w/ Landry (and Haslett and the Shanahans).

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[quote=The Goat;867292]I don't wanna dis Orakpo, but don't know what else to say about it. Guess I could just say how worried I am. This kid who looked like he could/would be a Ware type game-changer was almost absent, especially in the 2nd half. My hope: he's just tired of the tired and lackluster leadership from the sidelines. There is nothing inspiring about Jim Haslett's scheme or his style. Neither do I believe he truly has the respect of the players. Williams' defense played more inspired even when the offense was nearly as bad as this year's. And the Shanahans...ok, I won't go there today.

Yeah D. Hall. Let him walk w/ Landry (and Haslett and the Shanahans).[/quote]

Haslett has been given a lot of resources and he needs to figure out how to make this defense works period. The FO has spent a lot on the defense and now it is time for them to spend resources on the offense. Keep everyone, don't create any holes, and make it work.

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[quote=Ruhskins;867296]Haslett has been given a lot of resources and he needs to figure out how to make this defense works period. The FO has spent a lot on the defense and now it is time for them to spend resources on the offense. Keep everyone, don't create any holes, and make it work.[/quote]

The defense all around is fine. One of the weaknesses I've seen all season is the corners D. Hall and J. Wilson can't defend the pass. They allow receivers to get open. I like the Redskins defensive line and the linebackers, which are a hardcore group with Perry Riley, London Fletcher, Ryan Kerrigan, and Brian Orakpo. The secondary is weak though. This is an area of concern and needs to be looked into next offseason.

The offense will come together. Once the Redskins land their QB in the draft, then 60 % of the problems on offense will be fixed. I like our RB situation with Helu, and Evan Royster could contribute to the running game in the future. Have the coaches given up on Ryan Torain? I still think he can contribute. Our WR core is sound with Moss, Gaffney, Hankerson, and Stallworth. Add Fred Davis and Chris Cooley and the Redskins will have a dynamic passing attack.

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[quote=NC_Skins;867230]...and most of those same teams are in drafting in the same place year after year. /gasp[/quote]

You're right about that. And the Skins mostly have had middle of the draft selections. What should be done differently to buck the trends?

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;867305]

The offense will come together. Once the Redskins land their QB in the draft, then 60 % of the problems on offense will be fixed. I like our RB situation with Helu, and Evan Royster could contribute to the running game in the future. Have the coaches given up on Ryan Torain? I still think he can contribute. Our WR core is sound with Moss, Gaffney, Hankerson, and Stallworth. Add Fred Davis and Chris Cooley and the Redskins will have a dynamic passing attack.[/quote]
I actually hope they have given up on Torain. So-so vision, no top-end agility or speed(a must since our OL gets blown up quite a few times), and very little power. He doesn't contribute on special teams, either.

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[quote=Ruhskins;867183]Well he had to be negative for the [B]mindless [/B]Hall rant.[/quote]

What? It wasn't mindless, its true. Wake up buddy, because I'm watching the same DHall I've been seeing for the past 3 years with us, he s the one who doesn't tackle well and gets beat. If you watched the game today, you'll see he stood there like a statue when Gronkowski had that huge run along the sideline with broken tackles. And again, if you saw the same game I saw today, DHalls penalties cost us on some drives, like I dunno maybe throwing an officials flag is a penalty?

He said a few weeks ago that he deserves to be cut. I say after this year we grant him his wish, because he isn't a positive to our defense or team.

And for those who question my earlier post saying I was two-sided on this post; I'll elaborate some more.

I'm a numbers/percentage/chance kind of guy. The higher we draft, the better player we get. It's historically proven that if you draft in the top 5 you have a > chance of getting a better player than say the top 10. Lets be real Skins fans, this team we have isn't good. We all can agree we need a QB. Best case 3 'great' ones come out; worst case 1 comes out. We need a QB to win us games. We can win games now, but its all a bunch of BS that we can build on that for next season. Players come and go. Its a whole 7(atleast) months until those players get back on the field. Half of them won't even remember or care that they won or lost, they want to get their season started, to start a new. So really skins fans, you say you shouldn't wish for your team to lose, but when you've nearly hit rock bottom, what is, say, one win going to do, especially if its another crap team. "Oh we suck, but we aren't the 1st crappy team in the league, we're the 3rd out of 32 teams..."

I'm bashing this team to point out to others what some major weaknesses are that we have which we still don't fix, year after, year after year.

I honestly am bitter sweet about this game because I hate the patriots more than I hate the cowboys. If we had beaten them I would have been happy only because we had hurt there chances from being a bye team to a wildcard team. And because we defeated the Mr. Perfect Tom Brady. But at the same token, no one picked us to win this game, so it was expected for us to lose, And we would have hurt our draft position by as many as 4 spots. If we have to trade up to get a good QB like Barkley or Griffin, that's more future players we trade away pick wise to get one of those guys...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;867313]What? It wasn't mindless, its true. Wake up buddy, because I'm watching the same DHall I've been seeing for the past 3 years with us, he s the one who doesn't tackle well and gets beat. If you watched the game today, you'll see he stood there like a statue when Gronkowski had that huge run along the sideline with broken tackles. And again, if you saw the same game I saw today, DHalls penalties cost us on some drives, like I dunno maybe throwing an officials flag is a penalty?

He said a few weeks ago that he deserves to be cut. I say after this year we grant him his wish, because he isn't a positive to our defense or team.

And for those who question my earlier post saying I was two-sided on this post; I'll elaborate some more.

I'm a numbers/percentage/chance kind of guy. The higher we draft, the better player we get. It's historically proven that if you draft in the top 5 you have a > chance of getting a better player than say the top 10. Lets be real Skins fans, this team we have isn't good. We all can agree we need a QB. Best case 3 'great' ones come out; worst case 1 comes out. We need a QB to win us games. We can win games now, but its all a bunch of BS that we can build on that for next season. Players come and go. Its a whole 7(atleast) months until those players get back on the field. Half of them won't even remember or care that they won or lost, they want to get their season started, to start a new. So really skins fans, you say you shouldn't wish for your team to lose, but when you've nearly hit rock bottom, what is, say, one win going to do, especially if its another crap team. "Oh we suck, but we aren't the 1st crappy team in the league, we're the 3rd out of 32 teams..."

I'm bashing this team to point out to others what some major weaknesses are that we have which we still don't fix, year after, year after year.

I honestly am bitter sweet about this game because I hate the patriots more than I hate the cowboys. If we had beaten them I would have been happy only because we had hurt there chances from being a bye team to a wildcard team. And because we defeated the Mr. Perfect Tom Brady. But at the same token, no one picked us to win this game, so it was expected for us to lose, And we would have hurt our draft position by as many as 4 spots. If we have to trade up to get a good QB like Barkley or Griffin, that's more future players we trade away pick wise to get one of those guys...[/quote]

Nah.. D Hall is solid. I enjoy watching him play

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;867309]I actually hope they have given up on Torain. So-so vision, no top-end agility or speed(a must since our OL gets blown up quite a few times), and very little power. He doesn't contribute on special teams, either.[/quote]

Well, I certainly hope that Mike Shanahan hasn't given up on Ryan Torain. I like Torain. If you look at how he ran the ball last season, he was very effective. But in the NFL, it's all about what have you done for me lately. Torain had a great game against the Rams when he bulldozed for lots of rushing yardage, but has rode the pine after being ineffective in a couple of games. Honestly, I think Mike Shanahan is evaluating his running backs and realizes what he already has in Torain. Evan Royster, I'm thinking, will get a long look during these final weeks of the season.

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[quote=Ruhskins;867254]Unfortunately, morons like James Harrison and Suh continue to commit these penalties, causing the league to continue with this policy. I do feel that penalties that occur at fast speeds, should be reviewed. Like that PF on Fletcher, there's no way that you can look at it at full speed and determine exactly what happened.[/quote]

That hit on Harrison wasn't even to McCoy's head though. You could argue that it was late but it wasn't helmet to helmet. It's like everytime a QB gets hit hard the refs throw a flag.

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Orakpo and Kerrigan 1 tackle each. wow.

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[quote=Bucket;867314]Nah.. D Hall is solid. I enjoy watching him play[/quote]

Hall is a bum. Hopefully he only has 3 more games in a Redskins uniform.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;867324]Orakpo and Kerrigan 1 tackle each. wow.[/quote]

Very disappointing. These two were nowhere to be found yesterday.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;867313]What? It wasn't mindless, its true. Wake up buddy, because I'm watching the same DHall I've been seeing for the past 3 years with us, he s the one who doesn't tackle well and gets beat. [B]If you watched the game today, you'll see he stood there like a statue when Gronkowski had that huge run along the sideline with broken tackles.[/B] And again, if you saw the same game I saw today, DHalls penalties cost us on some drives, like I dunno maybe throwing an officials flag is a penalty? [/quote]

See I am not a Hall apologist, but I am just amazed at how much people hate on him for stupid things. If you look at that play from Hall's perspective, it looked like Gomes and Doughty were going to push Gronkowski out of bounds. At full speed, it looked like Gronkowski was going out of bounds, if Halls leap towards him and Gronkowski is out of bounds, that's a 15-yard PF. BTW, it was Hall that eventually ran down Gronkowski during that play.

The flag thing was a stupid mistake and he deserves all the heat for it. But where is the Haynesworth/McNabb treatment for Hall from Shanahan, if he's such a team cancer? Shouldn't Shanahan have benched Hall the same way he benched Williams for that stupid PF during the Eagles game? Once again, I am not apologizing for the guy, but I feel that some people blow his situation out of proportion.

Hall is what he is and it sucks. As a player he is very frustrating b/c he can go from making a good play on moment and making a terrible player the next. One thing is criticizing the guy for this, another is to this childish/girlish/pouty hate for the guy and b*tch at every single thing he does. Take that mindless sh*t elsewhere.

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I'd like to add a smack down to Shanahan for not benching Hall after the flag incident. I thought he did well when he benched Williams for the personal foul in the Philly game. While I understand players were frustrated with the refs (London Fletcher came within seconds of getting flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct, although I can't blame the guy for reacting the way he did), he's basically letting the flag situation slide. There was no need for that and he is allowing that type of behavior to go unpunished.

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As Ruh said, I'm not really going to hate on Hall for that Gronk run. I mean it looked like the play was dead. Even Wes Welker, who never ever accuses of being lazy, was basically loafing and not trying to block Hall out of the way until everyone realized Gronk was still in bounds.

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I'd also like to mention that Fed Ex Field has basically become a home game for the opposing team. Very very sad.

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Orakpo strikes me as someone who is contented to do things one way because doing them that way has gotten him to the level he is now. And I think really good, fundamentally sound, offensive tackles who have good footwork and balance, can use their size advantages against him to take him out of the game.

When we blitz, Orakpo typically gets home to the quarterback before anyone else in the rush scheme. He takes on the back really well, and is still likely our best pure pass rusher. He is not the complete player that Ryan Kerrigan is, and the truth is that based on the position he plays in our defense, he needs to be more complete than Kerrigan because he is asked to do more.

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[quote=SmootSmack;867360]As Ruh said, I'm not really going to hate on Hall for that Gronk run. I mean it looked like the play was dead. Even Wes Welker, who never ever accuses of being lazy, was basically loafing and not trying to block Hall out of the way until everyone realized Gronk was still in bounds.[/quote]

Im gonna hate more on our safeties for that play, but still doesnt excuse Hall. How can two NFL safeties not able to tackle one tight end? I mean wft planet do i live on where that safety play is deem acceptable.

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[quote=skinsfan69;867365]I'd also like to mention that Fed Ex Field has basically become a home game for the opposing team. Very very sad.[/quote]

Yeah its terrible, and i dont understand it. I do know that Pats, Phili, Giants Ravens, have had much more success in the area but like when Dallas is in town it wtf? Why why, id give my tickets away befor i sold them to opposing supporters. Snyder should do something about that.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;867378]Snyder should do something about that.[/quote]

What exactly should he do?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;867095]I like Sellers but I think he'll either hang it up or get cut after this season. The guy is old and doesn't get much play time anymore. It's been a good run Mike, but I think you're done.

Orakpo was invisible yet again. I mean... ??? What's going on? No pressure. Not being in on any tackles? Is he really as good as we think he is or is he just going to be a flash in the pan? 1 break out season and then falls into obscurity? I'm really hoping its the former and not the latter.[/quote]

I've been saying all season Rak is a little overrated. Is he thinking about Geico too much? I dunno, I wouldn't trade him or anything but something's going on with him. I wonder if he's been 100% this year. A few games he would pull himself out, get stretched on the sidelines and come back in a few plays later. Just saying.

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[quote=SmootSmack;867360]As Ruh said, I'm not really going to hate on Hall for that Gronk run. I mean it looked like the play was dead. Even Wes Welker, who never ever accuses of being lazy, was basically loafing and not trying to block Hall out of the way until everyone realized Gronk was still in bounds.[/quote]

Like they teach you in Pee Wee football, play until you hear the whistle. No matter how dead the play looked there was no whistle and no reason for Hall to let up. Welker didnt try to block Hall because he could tell Hall had already quit on the play and therefore didnt need to "waste" time blocking Hall.

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[quote=mooby;867097]I think NE is in the running for worst safety play in the entire league as well. That said ours are no better. Safety was supposed to be a strength, and instead both of them are invisible.

With that said, I don't feel the need to smack down anybody here. I know we have plenty of guys that will take care of that, but I'm just glad I got to see a close competitive game from the Redskins today. And I'm not mad we lost because it's the Pats. We play them once every 4 years, and it's funny because the team we had today is probably 10 times worse than the team we had 4 years ago, but today we played them a hell of a lot closer than we did last time.[/quote]

Landry and Atogwe were invisible yesterday because they were hurt and didn't play much.

I can agree that neither of them has lived up to their billing this season, but their "invisibility" yesterday is excusable.