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[quote=Gtothearry;871845]So, we sign Flynn and draft Blackmon with the first pick and then OL or CB with the 2nd.[/quote]

Actually as someone pointed out, Blackmon is a good candidate to end up in St. Louis. Either they trade back with us or Cleveland for RG3 or the Rams just keep the pick and draft Blackmon. And no way would I count on us draft an OL in the second. Maybe a CB, but if we're going with generic positions I'd elect/predict a safety or an ILB. Either way it'll probably be some obscure position that no one is really expecting to be a position of immediate need.

Then again Matt Kalil has also been linked a lot to the Rams but how many more lineman can the Rams draft before the fans say they've had enough?

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[quote=Gtothearry;871845]So, we sign Flynn and draft Blackmon with the first pick and then OL or CB with the 2nd.[/quote]

This

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[quote=T.O.Killa;871835]What do you think is so different about there system?[/quote]I would explain,(excluding the obvious like personnel)
but to avoid an uneccesary quibble:

Do you agree that McCarthy's offense is different from Kyle's?

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is RG3 a safe bet? no. is bradford? is flynn? is sanchez?

If I was choosing among those four, I'd try flynn, grubbs and a FA WR, draft the best available (though an OT and CB would be prefered and maybe a 2nd tier QB).

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[quote=That Guy;871855]is RG3 a safe bet? no. is bradford? is flynn? is sanchez?

If I was choosing among those four, I'd try flynn, grubbs and a FA WR, draft the best available (though an OT and CB would be prefered and maybe a 2nd tier QB).[/quote]

I'd be on board with that plan.

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I might have an idea as to how much Flynn will cost.

[QUOTE]On October 28 2011, Fitzpatrick signed a six year, $59 million contract extension.[11]
[/QUOTE]

Probably something in the $10 million a year range. Give or take $3 million (mostly take)

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[quote=Dirtbag59;871837]In all seriousness though he does remind me a bit of Schuab. In part because he's had not only strong preseasons but strong showings in limited regular season action. Both QB's also didn't have the strongest arms. I believe theres something there with Flynn but either way the Skins have to plot the course early.[/quote]I think Schaub has a stronger arm, but that's neither here nor there because I actually think Flynn could be better then Rex in this scheme.
I base my opinion on [I]skillset[/I]and not their production.
By that same token I also think Josh Johnson could work, I wouldn't even be surprised if Jimmy Clausen was more productive then Rex in this offense.

I think all of those QBs have physical shortcomings.
And given the choice I prefer the most talented QB possible to groom.
And the hopeful outcome for that prospect is beyond being better then Rex.
The hopeful outcome would be a QB with the skillset to be great.
At the same time I acknowledge that not all great QB have a great skillset.
But why look for a needle in a stack of needles?


[quote]Do you make a strong offer for Flynn or do you hope you can trade up in the draft to get RG3 . You can only try both if you loose out on Flynn in Free Agency[/quote]I'm not convinced Griff won't be there when we pick.
And if he's not there another QB should be available like Bradford or McCoy then Flynn could be a distant fallback option.

I'm still upset by the lack of forsight at the QB position that has lead us here, now.
The FO should have been thinking about Flynn [I][B]last[/B][/I] year.

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[quote=30gut;871873]I think Schaub has a stronger arm, but that's neither here nor there because I actually think Flynn could be better then Rex in this scheme.
I base my opinion on [I]skillset[/I]and not their production.
By that same token I also think Josh Johnson could work, I wouldn't even be surprised if Jimmy Clausen was more productive then Rex in this offense.

I think all of those QBs have physical shortcomings.
And given the choice I prefer the most talented QB possible to groom.
And the hopeful outcome for that prospect is beyond being better then Rex.
The hopeful outcome would be a QB with the skillset to be great.
At the same time I acknowledge that not all great QB have a great skillset.
But why look for a needle in a stack of needles?


I'm not convinced Griff won't be there when we pick.
And if he's not there another QB should be available like Bradford or McCoy then Flynn could be a distant fallback option.

[B]I'm still upset by the lack of forsight at the QB position that has lead us here, now.
The FO should have been thinking about Flynn [I][B]last[/B][/I] year[/B].[/quote]

If it is true that the Packers wanted a 1st and 3rd for Flynn I would be hesitant to pull the trigger. Think about what Arizona gave up for a mostly unproven, yet somehow highly touted, back-up QB in Kolb. And look how he's working out for them, not the greatest....

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[quote=Dirtbag59;871857]I might have an idea as to how much Flynn will cost.



Probably something in the $10 million a year range. Give or take $3 million (mostly take)[/quote]

Not sure you can pay a guy that type of money and not even know he can be the starter on your squad. Hell, he may not even beat out current QBs on the teams looking at him.

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Flynn's a unrestricted FA right?

I'm not convinced about RGIII either. It's too tough to figure out if he can make the transition to a NFL style offense.

MS does his homework. I'm sure they've studied Matt Flynn well before today.

I'm not against this route, assuming our FO thinks highly enough of him.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;871857]I might have an idea as to how much Flynn will cost.



Probably something in the $10 million a year range. Give or take $3 million (mostly take)[/quote]

If that is true, then Flynn and trying to go with a big-time rookie is an either/or. You don't pay Flynn $10 mil. to back up your developing phenom.

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If we have a chance for RGIII we better take him or we will regret it.

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[quote=That Guy;871855]is RG3 a safe bet? no. is bradford? is flynn? is sanchez?

If I was choosing among those four, I'd try flynn, grubbs and a FA WR, draft the best available (though an OT and CB would be prefered and maybe a 2nd tier QB).[/quote]I think a clear plan of any sort always beats just winging it out there on draft day, but I wouldn't write off RG3, Bradford, and Sanchez as being basically the same thing as Flynn. Flynn played one year in college plus two games in the pros. And his college numbers at LSU don't support the illusion that are his pro stats in those two starts. Schaub's did, and that's the big difference between him. Having the college career to support the limited sample size in the pros is really important.

I really like RG3, and don't really think Bradford and Sanchez profile as no. 1 QBs at this stage of their careers, but that's different than Flynn who has been and actually still is a no. 2 guy, and is the oldest option of the bunch. If Flynn actually profiled as a number one, you'd see the Packers franchise him and then try to trade him. And that would make him by far the least appealing option of the four.

I think Griffin profiles as a no. 1 QB in the NFL as a rookie. Would you be playing a rookie? Sure. But that seems like a lot better of an option than selling the farm for Flynn just because the QB position is a weakness.

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[quote=SkinzWin;871881]If it is true that the Packers wanted a 1st and 3rd for Flynn I would be hesitant to pull the trigger. Think about what Arizona gave up for a mostly unproven, yet somehow highly touted, back-up QB in Kolb. And look how he's working out for them, not the greatest....[/quote]
I think that asking price was a spitball guesstimate just like I think a minimum of 3 1sts for Luck.
The trades/draft still operates on a barter/haggle system and everyone knows rule #1 of the bargain is...

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[quote=30gut;871873]I'm still upset by the lack of forsight at the QB position that has lead us here, now.
The FO should have been thinking about Flynn [I][B]last[/B][/I] year.[/quote]


Why are people so hyped up about Matt Flynn? Sure he had a hell of a game today, but what makes you think he can remotely duplicate that type of success anywhere else? He going to be our version of clipboard Jesus?


Shanny knows what the hell he's doing. I'm quite positive if he thinks Flynn is the type of talent he wants as his QB, he'll bring him in. From what I've gathered from a few insiders, they aren't interested in him so don't get your hopes up.


I still don't get why fans are still ripping Mike over the QB position with him having really 0 options elsewhere.

Draft? Locker got drafted before us.
FA? Vince Young is really tearing it up in Philly.
FA? Matt Hasselbeck? You want to pay a 36 year old 21 million to throw 6 fewer INTs?

Grossman: 16 TDs, 20 INTs, 3,151 yards, 72.4 QB rating (13 games)
Hasselbeck 18 TDs, 14 INTs, 3,571 yards, 82.4 QB rating (16 games)

Mind you, that's with Hasselbeck having Chris Johnson in the back field. The numbers aren't really that much different other than the INTs. Also, Rex has played 3 fewer games.

So where was this "magical fix" at the QB position you guys keep chirping about?

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I agree that Flynn would have been a legit option at this time last year. If you could get him, it would have made sense with the makeup of our roster. The burden of responsibility would have been relatively low, and the possibility of success pretty high. Even if the player wasn't a particularly good one. Flynn could have failed as badly as McNabb did, and all it would have done was reflected poorly on Shanahan, which is essentially what happened anyway with Grossman/Beck.

If he hits free agency, paying starter money for him would be a dumb mistake.

The difference of course is the difference between trading for someone elses no. 2 guy (no different than acquiring Chase Daniel or Brian Hoyer next year) and having him compete for your no. 1 job because you have a weakness, and essentially handing the starting job to an unproven player. You don't want to pay lots of money for the right to hand jobs to unproven guys, but you do want to acquire low-cost players with upside. There is a big difference.

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[quote=NC_Skins;871906]Why are people so hyped up about Matt Flynn? Sure he had a hell of a game today, but what makes you think he can remotely duplicate that type of success anywhere else? He going to be our version of clipboard Jesus?
[/quote]


After reading a while and trying to get what the Skins will do...I think people liked what went on last year with draft picks and the possibility of several good players. And Spending money on Flynn or a FA still leaves us the option of our draft picks to continue the competition to make the roster better.

I agree with you that there were not a lot of options last year... so Grossman was the result!

I think since in the past money was never a barrier to sign players we are so use to overlook the ramifications of the highest bidder mentality and what it does to a roster of blue collar players.

I am currently giddy that there are options to cure what ails the Skins!!!

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[quote=NC_Skins;871906]Why are people so hyped up about Matt Flynn? Sure he had a hell of a game today, but what makes you think he can remotely duplicate that type of success anywhere else? He going to be our version of clipboard Jesus?


Shanny knows what the hell he's doing. I'm quite positive if he thinks Flynn is the type of talent he wants as his QB, he'll bring him in. From what I've gathered from a few insiders, they aren't interested in him so don't get your hopes up.


I still don't get why fans are still ripping Mike over the QB position with him having really 0 options elsewhere.

Draft? Locker got drafted before us.
FA? Vince Young is really tearing it up in Philly.
FA? Matt Hasselbeck? You want to pay a 36 year old 21 million to throw 6 fewer INTs?

Grossman: 16 TDs, 20 INTs, 3,151 yards, 72.4 QB rating (13 games)
Hasselbeck 18 TDs, 14 INTs, 3,571 yards, 82.4 QB rating (16 games)

Mind you, that's with Hasselbeck having Chris Johnson in the back field. The numbers aren't really that much different other than the INTs. Also, Rex has played 3 fewer games.

So where was this "magical fix" at the QB position you guys keep chirping about?[/quote]

Well, Shanahan also didn't have to "stake his reputation" on these two bums either. There was a certain arrogance with which he stuck with Rex and Beck that was pretty annoying.

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[quote=NC_Skins;871906]I still don't get why fans are still ripping Mike over the QB position with him having really 0 options elsewhere.[/quote]I still don't get why some people are willing to rationalize every decision Mike Shanahan makes?

Grossman finished the season 28th by QB rating.

I don't think it asking too much that our QB situation not get worse each year.(Campbell to McNabb to Rex/BEck)

I don't think its too much to ask to have our QB finish better then 28th?

So unless 28th is okay with you there were better options.

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[quote=GTripp0012;871836]The fundamental foundation it is built on? We do very little of what they do in the passing game. We're both zone running teams, but that has nothing to do with Flynn.[/quote]
Green Bay does the same things on offense we do. They run the bootleg, they are west coast what is the huge difference. Flynn is a very athletic QB. He ran a 4.70 40ytd, thats faster than most. Not sure what the huge differences are.

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[quote=GMScud;871914]Well, Shanahan also didn't have to "stake his reputation" on these two bums either. There was a certain arrogance with which he stuck with Rex and Beck that was pretty annoying.[/quote]


What else did you want him to say!

" Grossman is a Bum!!! and Forget this season! I am looking forward to the offseason."

C'mon think about it... Mediocre players need every encouragement to try and lift there game. Did not work.

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[quote=30gut;871917]I still don't get why some people are willing to rationalize every decision Mike Shanahan makes?

Grossman finished the season as the 28th by QB rating.

I don't think it asking too much that our QB situation not get worse each year.
I don't think its too much to ask to have our QB finish better then 28th?

So unless 28th is okay with you there were better options.[/quote]


So tell me those options and stop just stating "there were better options". I just showed you the numbers to Hasselbeck and they were almost identical. (with 3 fewer game by Rex)

Who or where were these options at?

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[quote=2BIG2BSKINNY;871920]What else did you want him to say!

" Grossman is a Bum!!! and Forget this season! I am looking forward to the offseason."

C'mon think about it... Mediocre players need every encouragement to try and lift there game. Did not work.[/quote]

Really? You think Rex needs any encouragement? That guy forgets the pass he threw 2 seconds ago. And Beck? Needing encouragement? Hahaha. He led his own "I'm the starter" media campaign in the offseason better than any QB in history that has never been a regular starter. Mike could have handled it better than to "stake his reputation" on either one of those joe's, neither of whom needed any sort of confidence boost.

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I'm hoping (but deep down I know they won't do it) that the browns sign Matt Flynn, and we can get RG3.

The crowd of analysts/critics/draft-evaluators had it as 100% Luck-supporters. Then RG3 won the Heisman and got more attention and then just had a great bowl game which showed his quickness and tackle breaking ability + Cam Newton helped him out by showing that athletes from the spread are legit.
Now that crowd is 55% Luck-45% Griffin.

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[quote=GMScud;871914]Well, Shanahan also didn't have to "stake his reputation" on these two bums either. There was a certain arrogance with which he stuck with Rex and Beck that was pretty annoying.[/quote]

Not sure what you wanted Mike to say?



Guys, these two clowns are the only real options available so I'm going to roll with them until next years draft. Hang in there guys while I'm rebuilding this ship!

Listen to the words and then watch the actions. Beck played in all of 3 games. I wouldn't call that staking your reputation on him. Having him play the whole season would have been.

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[quote=2BIG2BSKINNY;871920]What else did you want him to say!

" Grossman is a Bum!!! and Forget this season! I am looking forward to the offseason."

C'mon think about it... Mediocre players need every encouragement to try and lift there game. Did not work.[/quote]An arguably wise man once said: "five-n-eleven, not very good."

It would have been pretty moronic to rip on your starting quarterback before the season, but what was ACTUALLY said wasn't exactly much wiser. A simple "we'll explore all options" doesn't commit you to making a move and yet prevents you from looking like an imbecile at the end of the year.

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[quote=GMScud;871924]Really? You think Rex needs any encouragement? That guy forgets the pass he threw 2 seconds ago. And Beck? Needing encouragement? Hahaha. He led his own "I'm the starter" media campaign in the offseason better than any QB in history that has never been a regular starter. Mike could have handled it better than to "stake his reputation" on either one of those joe's, neither of whom needed any sort of confidence boost.[/quote]


You are right Grossman needs no encouragement! He is a gunslinger type...but the rest of the players needed to see the coach prop him up as he was all we had!

He Know the system and let the young players we have develop. Eveb if he did not help that much.

We are getting better...Record did not show it but just look at RB and D-Line next year and Reily stepped up

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I think Mat Flyn would be a better pick up than resigning Grossman. But I don't think we should go after him. We need a temp starter like JC back in the mix...LOL

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[quote=NC_Skins;871922]So tell me those options and stop just stating "there were better options". I just showed you the numbers to Hasselbeck and they were almost identical. (with 3 fewer game by Rex)

Who or where were these options at?[/quote]Why would I waste my team making a list of better options?

And even if I did make a list what would be the point?
You would only beg the stats just like you did when you call Hasselbeck and Grossman's season nearly identical.

Rex Grossman finished as the 28th rated QB.
The short list would be every QB that played and finished better then 28th who was available is a better option.
Then throw in the rookie QBs.
You can figure the list out for yourself.

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[quote=30gut;871931]Why would I waste my team making a list of better options?

And even if I did make a list what would be the point?
You would only beg the stats just like you did when you call Hasselbeck and Grossman's season nearly identical.

Rex Grossman finished as the 28th rated QB.
The short list would be every QB that played and finished better then 28th who was available is a better option.
Then throw in the rookie QBs.
You can figure the list out for yourself.[/quote]

So in other words, you have no real options in mind, you just want to make believe like there were better options and blame the coach. I think I debunked the 3 other options there were.

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Mercy upon us if we go out and give Matt Flynn a Kevin Kolb type contract. That would set us back tremendously imo. People honestly think he can replicate the mild success he's had in GB here? :doh: That's a 15-1 team coming off a Super Bowl win. We're a 5-11 team that hasn't been to the playoffs in 4 years.

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[quote=NC_Skins;871932]So in other words, you have no real options in mind, you just want to make believe like there were better options and blame the coach. I think I debunked the 3 other options there were.[/quote]If that's what you considered debunked, then sure.

But of course you would have to ignore every point I made only only focus on some arbitrary list of names.

You also then have to dismiss the options based upon your ability to stretch and beg and twists stats like you did for Hasselbeck and Grossman.

It mainly requires you turning a blind eye to the fact that Grossman finished as the 28th rated QB in the league.

Yah!, sure debunked!

Mike Shanahan made the right call to go with Rex and Beck and not address the QB position via FA or draft or trade.

Here let me give you the editted version maybe you can muster up a reply:



Why would I waste my time making a list of better options for you?

And even if I did make a list what would be the point?
You would only beg the stats just like you did when you call Hasselbeck and Grossman's season nearly identical (lol)

Rex Grossman finished as the 28th rated QB.
Your short list would include every QB that played and finished better then 28that was available during the offseason.
Then throw in the rookie QBs and other tradeable journeymen like Flynn (then) or Joe Webb for example.
That should give you a good starting point for your list.

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I think the discussion needs to start with the fact that the Redskins opened the post-lockout period with Donovan McNabb on their roster, and moved him out so that they could get to Beck and Grossman.

McNabb did not use his time with Minnesota as a chance to prove that Washington made a horrible mistake by trading him, but Grossman arguably did not use the 2011 season to show he was an improvement over 2010 McNabb.

At best, we're talking about a release that allowed the Redskins to save some money and save some face by proving that they could lose games with Grossman just as easily as they could with McNabb, with mixed results at the QB position. Shanahan's assertion was that he believed in Grossman and he believed in Beck, and didn't believe in McNabb.

So, yeah, from a saving money standpoint, it worked. And the Redskins picked up a draft pick, which was nice. But when you don't replace a guy like McNabb on the roster, you're pretty clearly saying you have a better team without him there. And so the defense that the Redskins [B]didn't have any better options[/B] ignores that this was, in every possible way, a conscious choice at the QB position to not pursue anyone else. Kellen Clemens aside.

And with Clemens and Beck both having played against San Francisco this year, that becomes even more evidence that it was Grossman and Beck, and that's how it was designed, and it had nothing to do with who was or wasn't available.

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[quote=30gut;871935]You also then have to dismiss the options based upon your ability to stretch and beg and twists stats like you did for Hasselbeck and Grossman.

It mainly requires you turning a blind eye to the fact that Grossman finished as the 28th rated QB in the league.

Yah!, sure debunked!

Mike Shanahan made the right call to go with Rex and Beck and not address the QB position via FA or draft or trade.

[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1]NFL Stats: by Player Category[/url]

Actually Rex finished 18th in terms of NFL QBs. They generally rank them based on yardage. So you want to use the QB rating to show how awful Rex was, yet when I use them, it's "stretching and twisting"?

Again, what part of signing a 36 year old QB for $21 million to throw 6 less INTs is a good idea? You think that's better or even worth that very slight upgrade? Again, you think Hasselbeck even puts those numbers up without Chris Johnson? He sure as hell didn't his last year in Seattle.

Vince Young? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I don't even need to address this.


Jake Locker. Picked ahead of us in 1st round.

Andy Dalton. Picked ahead of us in 2nd round.

You don't just pick a QB in the draft just to pick one. If you don't like them or they don't fit what you are trying to do, you pass until one comes along that does. Also, this team was lacking a ton of talent so trading up wouldn't have been a wise option.

So again, WHAT options were there? There were none. But if it suits you hatters all the more, keep on believing there were.

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The whole argument he's trying to have is based in false logic.
You don't need to know the 'answer'.
Especially when he 'answer' is hypothetical and subjective.
Which only leads to the type of empty pointless back and forth:
sug1:Prospect X would have been a viable answer
repl1:No prospect X wouldn't have been a viable answer because of rationale X
then rinse-wash-repeat

If you know that part X is inferior but part X is installed in your car and your car is non-functional because part X failed you don't need to know every possible alternative to correctly state that part X failed.

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[quote=NC_Skins;871943][B]You don't just pick a QB in the draft just to pick one.[/B] If you don't like them or they don't fit what you are trying to do, you pass until one comes along that does. Also, this team was lacking a ton of talent so trading up wouldn't have been a wise option.

So again, WHAT options were there? There were none. But if it suits you hatters all the more, keep on believing there were.[/quote]Especially when you have John Beck and Rex Grossman already on your roster. That would just be a waste of a pick, with the fact that they're never going to see the field and all.

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I mean I wish we had added a QB, namely Locker has he been available. But I get the impression a lot of people think that not adding a QB means the team just sat on its ass and made no improvements anywhere else on the roster. We're not there yet but we definitely added some key pieces.

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[quote=GTripp0012;871946]Especially when you have John Beck and Rex Grossman already on your roster. That would just be a waste of a pick, with the fact that they're never going to see the field and all.[/quote]


sorry but I agree with Tripp, Rex and Beck are so bad that anyone would have been better.

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[quote=GTripp0012;871901]I think a clear plan of any sort always beats just winging it out there on draft day, but I wouldn't write off RG3, Bradford, and Sanchez as being basically the same thing as Flynn. Flynn played one year in college plus two games in the pros. And his college numbers at LSU don't support the illusion that are his pro stats in those two starts. Schaub's did, and that's the big difference between him. Having the college career to support the limited sample size in the pros is really important.

I really like RG3, and don't really think Bradford and Sanchez profile as no. 1 QBs at this stage of their careers, but that's different than Flynn who has been and actually still is a no. 2 guy, and is the oldest option of the bunch. If Flynn actually profiled as a number one, you'd see the Packers franchise him and then try to trade him. And that would make him by far the least appealing option of the four.

I think Griffin profiles as a no. 1 QB in the NFL as a rookie. Would you be playing a rookie? Sure. But that seems like a lot better of an option than selling the farm for Flynn just because the QB position is a weakness.[/quote]

I'm not saying they're all the same, just that none of those options are nearly as safe as say, signing drew brees or drafting luck would be. sanchez is the only one i'd be REALLY mad about, and i do agree that paying someone $8mill+ on the hope they work out isn't as appealing as getting RGIII from a cap/efficiency standpoint.

If we want RGIII or luck, we're going to have to trade up most likely though, and if we trade down we might miss the 2nd tier guy we'd like... we're bad enough that I'd rather not have a 2nd tier prospect. so if you can't get RGIII or bradford for sure, there better be a FA already in the fold. if they whiff on a QB in the draft, paying out the ... will pretty much be the only option beyond stinking it up again with rex next year.


btw, we should sign victor cruz :P just saying...

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[quote=NC_Skins;871943][url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1]NFL Stats: by Player Category[/url]

Actually Rex finished 18th in terms of NFL QBs. They generally rank them based on yardage. So you want to use the QB rating to show how awful Rex was, yet when I use them, it's "stretching and twisting"?[/quote]Um yeah, YOU need to listen to your own advice.
Rex finished 18th when sorted for yardage.
He's 28th when sorted for QB rating.

[quote] I don't even need to address this.[/quote]You don't need to address it because [I][B][U]you[/U][/B][/I] suggested it, not me.

[quote]Jake Locker. Picked ahead of us in 1st round.[/quote]True, but if you consider trading up an option you can count him, I don't but since you mentioned it.

[quote]Andy Dalton. Picked ahead of us in 2nd round.[/quote]But, he was an option they just chose not draft him in the 1st or were unable or unwilling to trade up for him in the second.


[quote]So again, WHAT options were there? There were none. But if it suits you hatters all the more, keep on believing there were.[/quote]Hello?

Here is the list for the last time:

Every QB that was available in FA that finished better then 28th in NFL (e.g. Matt Moore, Alex Smith etc)

Every QB in the draft after Newton and Locker (e.g. Dalton to TJ Yates etc)

Every tradeable journeymen QB (e.g. Matt Flynn, Joe Webb etc)

All the QBs that fall into those groups mentioned above would make up the list.

To sum:
Every team that has better QB play(which is roughly 29 teams) made a more successful offseason decision at the QB position.
Even the 3 teams with worse QB play (Rams, Colts and Jags) arguably still are better off.
Unless your ready to write off a QB after less then 2 seasons the Rams and Jags have their QBs of the future.
And the Colts have changed from Painter to Dan Orlovsky who has a higher rating the Rex.
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In an effort to not sidetrack this thread anymore we can agree to disagree.
You think choosing Rex and Beck was a good decision I don't.
Can we discuss Flynn?