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[quote=Paintrain;875054]I'd love for us to bring in Ray Sherman if he's available but I don't think he is.[/quote]

I initially thought of Sherman Lewis. Ha!

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I like the move and think it's great. I'm sure he'll do a good job. Let's hope he can get D-hall from playing 15 yards off the WR and play more up on the line and use his speed to stay stride for stride instead of sitting back and jumping on passes.


[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;875037]You just refuse to be happy huh??[/quote]

Can we vote Tripp Mr. Doom and Gloom and give him a special title? Nothing pleases this guy...lol

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[quote=diehard;875061]I initially thought of Sherman Lewis. Ha![/quote]

Sherman Lewis is [B]definitely[/B] available...

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[quote=skinsfan69;875050]Morris has never even been a DC, nor has he been a coach for a 3-4. I don't think Haslett has anything to worry about. I like Morris but it's not like he's going to turn D.Hall into Darrell Green.[/quote]

I don't know. Let's wait and see.

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[quote=skinsfan69;875050]Morris has never even been a DC, nor has he been a coach for a 3-4. I don't think Haslett has anything to worry about. I like Morris but it's not like he's going to turn D.Hall into Darrell Green.[/quote]

This was his title:

2009–2011 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
(head coach/defensive coordinator)

Hopefully, the first he does is get rid of D. Hall.

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Told you guys Keenan and Jackson were headed out. Morris could still leave if someone names him defensive coordinator, which probably explains why Slowik is still there

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[quote=NC_Skins;875062]Can we vote Tripp Mr. Doom and Gloom and give him a special title? Nothing pleases this guy...lol[/quote]What is funny is that I don't remember anyone during the season saying "the Redskins need to upgrade their secondary coach." Raheem Morris is a relatively big name for a position coach. But I also don't remember people saying, "the Redskins don't have enough 'name' coaches on the staff."

At no point next year will I be able to judge Raheem Morris on the quality of his work here. Neither will anyone else. I hope he does really well. But we'll probably never know what kind of effect he is having on the players' lives, without having that personal connection with the players.

If you find that analysis to be negative, you can just block me now.

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I don't mind the Morris hiring, I just wanted someone different to coach the secondary. Hopefully Morris is a better position coach than head coach and we get something out of that unit. Don't know how to feel about KM being let go, I mean how can you evaluate your receivers when you have sh*t at the QB position. But then again there were dropped passes here there, so who knows. Maybe some change in that area will help. Still, this team needs a QB, and you can bring all the assistants you want, it won't mean squat if you don't have a decent QB behind center.

I'm like tripp in many ways, I always get cautious over moves the skins make simply because we suck and have for 20 years now.. he and I are about the same age and have never seen a winner in dc so u have to understand our pain

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I wonder what GTripp' thinks about all of this. His is on my ignore list.

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[quote=Ruhskins;875073]I don't mind the Morris hiring, I just wanted someone different to coach the secondary. Hopefully Morris is a better position coach than head coach and we get something out of that unit. Don't know how to feel about KM being let go, I mean how can you evaluate your receivers when you have sh*t at the QB position. But then again there were dropped passes here there, so who knows. Maybe some change in that area will help. Still, this team needs a QB, and you can bring all the assistants you want, it won't mean squat if you don't have a decent QB behind center.[/quote]

Preach. The qb position is vital to the team's success. We won't be anything without a quality one.

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[quote=Ruhskins;875073][B]I don't mind the Morris hiring, I just wanted someone different to coach the secondary.[/B] Hopefully Morris is a better position coach than head coach and we get something out of that unit. Don't know how to feel about KM being let go, I mean how can you evaluate your receivers when you have sh*t at the QB position. But then again there were dropped passes here there, so who knows. Maybe some change in that area will help. Still, this team needs a QB, and you can bring all the assistants you want, it won't mean squat if you don't have a decent QB behind center.[/quote]And thats what Morris offers: a different voice to a struggling position group.

If you believe we're in need of a different voice, then it's a good move, right? If you believe that the Redskins can't have enough continuity in the coaching staff, then it's a bad move, right? I'm not surprised that the concept of continuity hasn't come up in this thread, as it's become a self-serving argument over the years.

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[quote=GTripp0012;875080]And thats what Morris offers: a different voice to a struggling position group.

If you believe we're in need of a different voice, then it's a good move, right? If you believe that the Redskins can't have enough continuity in the coaching staff, then it's a bad move, right? I'm not surprised that the concept of continuity hasn't come up in this thread, as it's become a self-serving argument over the years.[/quote]

All the other losing teams are switching up (tweaking) their coaching staff. Why not the Skins?

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[quote=diehard;875082]All the other losing teams are switching up (tweaking) their coaching staff. Why not the Skins?[/quote]Because the Skins have coaches who are better than us. Or something. I'm with you: I don't even really understand the argument for or against Raheem Morris.

It's news to be sure. But one of the questions I asked myself right after I heard about the hire was, "wow, Raheem Morris?! How did the Redskins land him as a positional coach?!" And then I remembered that Tampa's season was pretty unwatchable this year. And then it made sense to me.

I think he's overqualified for this position, which makes it cool that we have him, but not a lot more than cool. I hope he does really really well.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;875075]I'm like tripp in many ways, I always get cautious over moves the skins make simply because we suck and have for 20 years now.. he and I are about the same age and have never seen a winner in dc so u have to understand our pain[/quote]

I'm in the same boat as you guys.

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[quote=GTripp0012;875080]And thats what Morris offers: a different voice to a struggling position group.

If you believe we're in need of a different voice, then it's a good move, right? If you believe that the Redskins can't have enough continuity in the coaching staff, then it's a bad move, right? I'm not surprised that the concept of continuity hasn't come up in this thread, as it's become a self-serving argument over the years.[/quote]

The only continuity I have seen on the defensive side of the ball is terrible play from the safeties and corners. I know this may be a stupid thing to say, but the 3-4 switch should not have anything in the secondary, yet they continued to struggle. Despite what other people think, I also think the FS position has suffered since Sean Taylor's passing. I thought Atogwe would be the answer, but obviously injuries have affected his play.

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[quote=Ruhskins;875091]The only continuity I have seen on the defensive side of the ball is terrible play from the safeties and corners. I know this may be a stupid thing to say, but the 3-4 switch should not have anything in the secondary, yet they continued to struggle. Despite what other people think, I also think the FS position has suffered since Sean Taylor's passing. I thought Atogwe would be the answer, but obviously injuries have affected his play.[/quote]I agree with everything you wrote here. The secondary was a weakness of the 2009 team, and we haven't improved it from then,

People should know from reading my opinions the last few weeks that I do not fear organizational change within this coaching staff and can even see its value. I think people would be hard pressed to argue that Raheem Morris was the the long lost missing link to our defense, but I don't think it hurts at all to try his coaching techniques with this group.

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After trolling and insulting Bucs fans hard about this guy's incompetence as head coach on Yahoo, now I have to cry as they can now troll me when DeAngelo Hall has his next OMGcanyou****ingstopsucking moment.(not his fault)

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;875089]I'm in the same boat as you guys.[/QUOTE]



Yeah I mean shit gets old I literally don't know what I would do if we won 12 games next year , I probably wouldn't believe it

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;875063]sherman lewis is [b]definitely[/b] available...[/quote]

bingo

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Looks like more coaching changes for the Redskins...

"Chris Russell @Russellmania980
Hearing that it is likely another coaching staff move will be made tomorrow, but it is not a major name. Stay tuned #Redskins"

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I think this is a good move. I think it is also a major move for if and when Kyle becomes HC. His DC is already on the staff. I wonder if they will go after Hue Jackson to become WR coach. More than likely it will be another young guy or Slowick

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;875089]I'm in the same boat as you guys.[/quote]

I'll second that.

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[quote=Paintrain;875101]bingo[/quote]

Nice. I does enjoy it much when wordplay is brought to the table.

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Henry Ellard is available.

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[quote=Ruhskins;875091]The only continuity I have seen on the defensive side of the ball is terrible play from the safeties and corners. I know this may be a stupid thing to say, but the 3-4 switch should not have anything in the secondary, yet they continued to struggle. Despite what other people think, [B]I also think the FS position has suffered since Sean Taylor's passing[/B]. I thought Atogwe would be the answer, but obviously injuries have affected his play.[/quote]

I agree with this. After he passed I was really hoping it wouldn't be the downfall of our excellent safety tandem (seriously, the first half of the '07 season was the best tandem safety play I've ever seen by two Redskins, and it had me convinced Taylor and Landry would be a All Pro duo for years to come) and since then we've seen Doughty, Landry, Moore, and Atogwe at free safety and all of them have been very underwhelming, to say the least.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;875109]Henry Ellard is available.[/quote]

Aaaaaand?

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;875059]For the record, the Tampa Bay Bucs lost their last 10 games this year under Morris' stewardship.

Four losses this year were by 28 points or more.

Bucs gave up 494 points this year - - most in the NFL. The next worst scoring defense gave up 45 points less than the Bucs did.

Many observers believed that the team quit sometime around early December.[/quote]

For the record the year before he was 10-6 with a team starting 10 rookies. Don't fall victim to the "error of recency". I can't tell why they stunk up the joint this season anymore than I can tell why they didn't the year before...neither means he's great or awful.

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In all honesty, Morris should have been given at least 1 more season to prove himself. The man led his young team to a 10 win season. Sure they lost 10 straight this past season but it was no more his fault than it was the players who quit on him. So in essence, this guy should still be a head coach. We should be grateful to have him as a position coach.

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This is interesting, Morris took over as defensive backs coach in 2007 for the Bucs. The previous year they were ranked 19th in passing defense, when Morris took over they were the #1 passing defense, they were also top 10 in opponent's QB rating, and I top 10 in fewest TDs allowed. Granted, this was still Monte Kiffin's defense, but still this is encouraging.

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[quote=Ruhskins;875120]This is interesting, Morris took over as defensive backs coach in 2007 for the Bucs. The previous year they were ranked 19th in passing defense, when Morris took over they were the #1 passing defense, they were also top 10 in opponent's QB rating, and I top 10 in fewest TDs allowed. Granted, this was still Monte Kiffin's defense, but still this is encouraging.[/quote]I'm always skeptical of NFL YPG rankings, but I checked with my trusted source and that number in 2007 is legit.

[url=http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef2007]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2007 DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS[/url]

An excellent defensive season against all wide receivers. Mediocre performance by the Tampa DL that year as well:

[url=http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl2007]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | DEFENSIVE LINES 2007[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/2007_roster.htm]2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Starters, Roster, & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

LCB Ronde Barber 32 10 16 1.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 2 fumbles recovered
RCB Phillip Buchanon 27 5 13 0.0 sacks, 3 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered
SS Jermaine Phillips 28 5 15 1.0 sacks, 4 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered
FS Tanard Jackson 22 Rook 16 0.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 3 fumbles recovered

That D also had CB Brian Kelly, CB Sammy Davis, and CB Will Allen (not the Giants guy). A talented, deep group to be sure.

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[quote=GTripp0012;875121]I'm always skeptical of NFL YPG rankings, but I checked with my trusted source and that number in 2007 is legit.

[url=http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef2007]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2007 DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS[/url]

An excellent defensive season against all wide receivers. Mediocre performance by the Tampa DL that year as well:

[url=http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl2007]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | DEFENSIVE LINES 2007[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/2007_roster.htm]2007 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Starters, Roster, & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

LCB Ronde Barber 32 10 16 1.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 2 fumbles recovered
RCB Phillip Buchanon 27 5 13 0.0 sacks, 3 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered
SS Jermaine Phillips 28 5 15 1.0 sacks, 4 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered
FS Tanard Jackson 22 Rook 16 0.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 3 fumbles recovered

That D also had CB Brian Kelly, CB Sammy Davis, and CB Will Allen (not the Giants guy). A talented, deep group to be sure.[/quote]

I am also not a big fan of YPGs, which is why I liked the opponents QB rating ranking and TDs allowed. Glad to see the stats about the Ds performance against WRs. Looks like Morris did a good job with that DBs unit, hopefully he can work his magic with our unit.

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[quote=Paintrain;875101]bingo[/quote]

Well played.

[IMG]http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/bingo-440.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=NC_Skins;875124]Well played.

[IMG]http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/bingo-440.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Was that posted on the side of a bus? LOL.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;875098]Yeah I mean shit gets old I literally don't know what I would do if we won 12 games next year , I probably wouldn't believe it[/quote]

Cry, those 12 wins include Wild Card, Divisional, and Conference Championships right.

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[quote=FRPLG;875017]Super fan of this. I liked the job he did in TB...not sure what happened this past year but he is a young guy who players like and has some good leadership skills.[/quote]


I like the guy but one of the knocks was that his players quit on him this year.

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Different voice is needed sometimes. The secondary did struggle this year, but previous years I wouldnt put them as a weakness on the team. Rogers loss was much more of an impact than people thought along with injuries to PB (who?), Laron, OJ and the non development of Barnes all played a part. Is a talent infusion needed? Absolutely.

Morris is a no risk hire who can be nothing but a positive IMO.

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^ Agreed

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;875127]Cry, those 12 wins include Wild Card, Divisional, and Conference Championships right.[/QUOTE]



Super bowl bro

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[quote=Giantone;875132]I like the guy but one of the knocks was that his players quit on him this year.[/quote]

With Shanny in charge thats not happening. If anything, it should be a good situation for Morris to learn how to control a locker room. Any inkling Shanny detects of quitting would be addressed immediately.