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The chatter at senior bowl huh?

Signing Orton doesn't make much sense as people have pointed out for various reasons

my reason is that signing a Kyle Orton, FA QB, that was available [I]twice[/I] last year (offseason/then waiver wire) would be akin to admitting they made yet another mistake at the QB and that they essentially wasted a year with Rex Grossman for no good reason

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[quote=celts32;881707]Love it...but with Luck I wouldn't even care who the bridge QB is because I would hope he would start from day 1.[/quote]

Luck is definitely starting right away, but you need a veteran backup.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;881706]I was a big supporter of KO coming last year but now I want RG3 or luck[/quote]

Remember the good old days when we headed that bandwagon skinsfaninok? ahhhhh.....

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I hope the hell not, rather keep Grossman then.

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[quote=SkinzWin;881723]Remember the good old days when we headed that bandwagon skinsfaninok? ahhhhh.....[/quote]

lol yes u and I were the only KO guys..

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[quote=Mattyk;881718]Luck is definitely starting right away, but you need a veteran backup.[/quote]

Orton would be an excellent backup. Luck and orton is basically a dream scenario.

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Kyle Orton and Nick Foles. Sign me up.

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[quote=celts32;881707]Love it...but with Luck I wouldn't even care who the bridge QB is because I would hope he would start from day 1.[/quote]

Agreed. But we have more leverage in a trade up for Luck if we have a viable alternative on the roster. Moreover, Orton makes a good spot starter in case of unLucky injury.

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[quote=SBXVII;881675]Orton = Grossman in my book. Gets drafted by the Bears and doesn't turn out to be a franchise QB, gets traded to the Bronco's and does not do very well turns out he's not a franchise QB otherwise they would not have traded him to KC where amazingly enough turns out he was not their answer to having a franchise QB.

I don't t see the novelty and hope the coaching staff does not either.[/quote]

That's what I'm saying. Orton is basically the same guy has Grossman. Just don't see any reason why we'd sign him.

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[quote=celts32;881733]Orton would be an excellent backup. Luck and orton is basically a dream scenario.[/quote]

Luck is not coming here. I have no idea why anyone is even talking about that option. He's 99.9% going to Indy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;881739]Luck is not coming here. I have no idea why anyone is even talking about that option. He's 99.9% going to Indy.[/quote]

More like 100%. Manning is done in Indy and they would the stupidest team in the planet to trade or not draft Luck.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;881744]More like 100%. Manning is done in Indy and they would the stupidest team in the planet to trade or not draft Luck.[/quote]

Exactly. I have that mindset all the time until smootsmack gives us the latest Luck rumor, then I wait for comments like these and I'm back to being realistic.

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Always said it's a longshot. But it's not 100%. It's not necessarily going to be any easier to trade to #2 than #1

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[quote=SBXVII;881675]Orton = Grossman in my book. Gets drafted by the Bears and doesn't turn out to be a franchise QB, gets traded to the Bronco's and does not do very well turns out he's not a franchise QB otherwise they would not have traded him to KC where amazingly enough turns out he was not their answer to having a franchise QB.

I don't t see the novelty and hope the coaching staff does not either.[/quote]

Might want to check his numbers in Denver, he played well in '09 and '10 before Tebow-mania took over. And he wasn't traded to KC, they picked him up on waivers a few weeks after Cassel got hurt. He's not a franchise QB but he's a solid vet. We could do a lot worse, like Grossman/Beck.

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[quote=Mattyk;881754]Might want to check his numbers in Denver, he played well in '09 and '10 before Tebow-mania took over. And he wasn't traded to KC, they picked him up on [I][B]waivers[/B][/I] a few weeks after Cassel got hurt. He's not a franchise QB but he's a solid vet. We could do a lot worse, like Grossman/Beck.[/quote]

Question is: why wasn't Grossman and Beck on waivers?

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signing orton makes sense in that we'll have a "starter" so it'll be harder to fleece us in a trade, and we can send him with the picks to trade up and make the other team feel better about having SOMEONE that can play QB if they need one.

as part of jockeying for a top 2 pick, this is a good idea... as far as getting him as our 2012 starter... that would be awful.

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Kyle Orton wins games. I am not sure how I feel about it yet, but he is like the Rodney Dangerfield of NFL QB's. He is accurate, has a pretty good arm, and is really looking to make a mark as a starting QB. If we sign him, I wouldn't be upset. That would give us the starting QB we want, plus we can use the picks to build talent. We could still land a QB in the 3rd round.

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[quote=#56fanatic;881773]Kyle Orton wins games. I am not sure how I feel about it yet, but he is like the Rodney Dangerfield of NFL QB's. He is accurate, has a pretty good arm, and is really looking to make a mark as a starting QB. If we sign him, I wouldn't be upset. That would give us the starting QB we want, plus we can use the picks to build talent. We could still land a QB in the 3rd round.[/quote]

Since you put it that way. I'm all in for Orton and a 3rd round QB. I'll be in a pickle next year, again.

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[quote=skinsfan69;881737]That's what I'm saying. Orton is basically the same guy has Grossman. Just don't see any reason why we'd sign him.[/quote]

i wouldn't say that, i think he is one slight notch above grossman, his overall numbers are slightly better and his td to int ratio is worlds better. grossman has 56 td's to 60 int's for his career, thats just god awful, it's hard to say anyone else is that bad. that said i don't want orton here, the last time he was in fedex he got benched for chris simms if i'm not mistaken, talk about terrible qb's.

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[quote=mlmdub130;881783]i wouldn't say that, i think he is one slight notch above grossman, his overall numbers are slightly better and his td to int ratio is worlds better. grossman has 56 td's to 60 int's for his career, thats just god awful, it's hard to say anyone else is that bad. that said i don't want orton here, the last time he was in fedex he got benched for chris simms if i'm not mistaken, talk about terrible qb's.[/quote]

Yeah, because he got hurt. I remember him burning us on a bomb to Marshall and we probably lose that game if he didn't get hurt.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009111507/2009/REG10/broncos@redskins#menu=highlights&tab=recap]NFL Game Center: Denver Broncos at Washington Redskins - 2009 Week 10[/url]

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Orton is way better than grossman or beck.

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[quote=Lotus;881682]I'll have this dinner combo, please.[/quote]

I think I'm allergic to that menu.

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[quote=SmootSmack;881750]Always said it's a longshot. But it's not 100%. It's not necessarily going to be any easier to trade to #2 than #1[/quote]

Exactly! That is why I don't think either scenario plays out for Washington. Plus, I think we are smart enough to realize that we need the picks more than we need to trade up.

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[quote=celts32;881733]Orton would be an excellent backup. Luck and orton is basically a [B]dream scenario[/B].[/quote]

You don't dream very high do you?

Come on folks, Orton? His stats might be marginally better but he's definitly not franchise material. You guys will blast me for wanting Flynn who has not been let go, cut, fired, or anything and has done well in the limited time given, but you are all over the Orton idea? WTF?

I feel like I'm watching "In Living Color" again with the "Lowered Expectations." lol.

Brees would be a great pick up but I just can't see the Saints letting him get away. P.Manning would be nice "IF" he can play or "IF" he can be on page to helping to coach the Rookie's until he can play, but it sounds like he's possessive of his job while in Indy and not giving the second stringer practice time so he might not be into coaching until he learns he can't play ever again or he decides to stop playing.

I'd do whatever it takes to get Flynn and offer him the starting job. I'd then trade TW (a 1st round Pick that has lived up to that his billing) to the Rams because they need a LT and Orakpo (another 1st round pick who's better playing in a 4-3) for their #2 pick. I'd then draft Blackmon with the #2, and trade back the #6 for more picks and take either Weeden (because Weeden and Blackmon have a connection) or I'd take one of the other QB's... Tannehill, Cousins, Wilson. Wilson has suprised me and might would think hard about taking him. This way we have 2 new QB's one being a Vet one a Rookie and could let Grossman and Beck go. Plus we have the top WR in the draft to compliment Hankerson.

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[quote=redskins5044;881787]Orton is [B]way[/B] better than grossman or beck.[/quote]

I believe your stretching the truth a bit. But I will say almost anyone is better then Grossman and Beck.

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[quote=#56fanatic;881773]Kyle Orton wins games. I am not sure how I feel about it yet, but he is like the Rodney Dangerfield of NFL QB's. He is accurate, has a pretty good arm, and is really looking to make a mark as a starting QB. If we sign him, I wouldn't be upset. That would give us the starting QB we want, plus we can use the picks to build talent. We could still land a QB in the 3rd round.[/quote]

I'd rather try and go after a vet that's at least got some potential. If Henne is let go I say we try him. At least he's got potential. We know what Orton is. Game manager, may not turn it over at the rate Grossman does but also is kinda just a Mr. Checkdown. This team isn't going to the Super Bowl next year. Still need another year or two of rebuilding.

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[quote=SBXVII;881824]You don't dream very high do you?

[B]Come on folks, Orton? His stats might be marginally better but he's definitly not franchise material.[/B] You guys will blast me for wanting Flynn who has not been let go, cut, fired, or anything and has done well in the limited time given, but you are all over the Orton idea? WTF?

I feel like I'm watching "In Living Color" again with the "Lowered Expectations." lol.

Brees would be a great pick up but I just can't see the Saints letting him get away. P.Manning would be nice "IF" he can play or "IF" he can be on page to helping to coach the Rookie's until he can play, but it sounds like he's possessive of his job while in Indy and not giving the second stringer practice time so he might not be into coaching until he learns he can't play ever again or he decides to stop playing.

I'd do whatever it takes to get Flynn and offer him the starting job. I'd then trade TW (a 1st round Pick that has lived up to that his billing) to the Rams because they need a LT and Orakpo (another 1st round pick who's better playing in a 4-3) for their #2 pick. I'd then draft Blackmon with the #2, and trade back the #6 for more picks and take either Weeden (because Weeden and Blackmon have a connection) or I'd take one of the other QB's... Tannehill, Cousins, Wilson. Wilson has suprised me and might would think hard about taking him. This way we have 2 new QB's one being a Vet one a Rookie and could let Grossman and Beck go. Plus we have the top WR in the draft to compliment Hankerson.[/quote]

Nobody here is calling Orton a franchise QB or any sort of long term answer. We're talking about him as a veteran backup.

Orton is certainly much more proven than Flynn, and he would come a lot cheaper.

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Whatever we do I just hope that the guy that's drafted is inserted as the starter day one. Let him make mistakes and live with it. I only want to see the back up play unless it's injury related. I know Shanahan is going to give us some BS about "whoever gives us the best chance to win" ...but I really don't want to hear that nonsense anymore. By the time this team's ready to be a contender he's going to retire.

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[quote=SBXVII;881824]I'd do whatever it takes to get Flynn and offer him the starting job. I'd then trade TW (a 1st round Pick that has lived up to that his billing) to the Rams because they need a LT and Orakpo (another 1st round pick who's better playing in a 4-3) for their #2 pick. I'd then draft Blackmon with the #2, and trade back the #6 for more picks and take either Weeden (because Weeden and Blackmon have a connection) or I'd take one of the other QB's... Tannehill, Cousins, Wilson. Wilson has suprised me and might would think hard about taking him. This way we have 2 new QB's one being a Vet one a Rookie and could let Grossman and Beck go. Plus we have the top WR in the draft to compliment Hankerson.[/quote]

If you trade Williams and Orakpo, then draft draft Blackmon, then a QB in 2nd round pick. How do you replace Williams and Orakpo? Willie Smith showed he can play but I do not think we have seen enough from him to replace Williams. Rob Jackson to replace Orakpo? This scenario is something I will never do.

Rg3. Said he hopes the colts take him not luck.. lol good luck

[QUOTE=GridIron26;881836]If you trade Williams and Orakpo, then draft draft Blackmon, then a QB in 2nd round pick. How do you replace Williams and Orakpo? Willie Smith showed he can play but I do not think we have seen enough from him to replace Williams. Rob Jackson to replace Orakpo? This scenario is something I will never do.[/QUOTE]

This

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[quote=GridIron26;881836]If you trade Williams and Orakpo, then draft draft Blackmon, then a QB in 2nd round pick. How do you replace Williams and Orakpo? Willie Smith showed he can play but I do not think we have seen enough from him to replace Williams. Rob Jackson to replace Orakpo? This scenario is something I will never do.[/quote]

Orakpo is the only issue. I think Smith did admirably with being thrown in with little eperience. Given another offseason I think he would be that much better. Plus he did admirably agains decent talent. The OL almost played better in those last 4 games vs. the middle of the year.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;881732]lol yes u and I were the only KO guys..[/quote]

I had about 3 or 4 other guys lined up on my sig before the end of the off season. And well, we know that the rest is history...

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I see some of you mention that if we wanted Orton, why didn't we put in a claim for him when he was released mid-season. Well, we did look into acquiring him BEFORE the season started so it was obvious we were interested. However, acquiring Orton mid-season would not have helped us last season. I would have rather stayed with Rex than have Orton come in the middle of the season and try to run the offense.


[quote=Mattyk;881833]Nobody here is calling Orton a franchise QB or any sort of long term answer. We're talking about him as a veteran backup.[/quote]


I would love to have Orton as a backup, but the reality is he isn't going to go anywhere that he doesn't have a shot at starting. Also, you aren't going to pay a backup 5-6 mil per year either which is the type of salary he'll command.

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[quote=NC_Skins;881856]I see some of you mention that if we wanted Orton, why didn't we put in a claim for him when he was released mid-season. Well, we did look into acquiring him BEFORE the season started so it was obvious we were interested. However, acquiring Orton mid-season would not have helped us last season. I would have rather stayed with Rex than have Orton come in the middle of the season and try to run the offense.





I would love to have Orton as a backup, but the reality is he isn't going to go anywhere that he doesn't have a shot at starting. Also, you aren't going to pay a backup 5-6 mil per year either which is the type of salary he'll command.[/quote]

1. No one is bringing in Orton as a starter
2. No one is paying him 5-6 mil a year.

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What about sign Vince Young then draft Brandon Weeden or Russell Wilson later in the draft?

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[quote=SBXVII;881845]Orakpo is the only issue. I think Smith did admirably with being thrown in with little eperience. Given another offseason I think he would be that much better. Plus he did admirably agains decent talent. The OL almost played better in those last 4 games vs. the middle of the year.[/quote]

Yes he did, but we would need Smith to overtake RT when Brown gets injured or does not perform well this season. Or we could flip Williams to RT if Smith continues to perform better, whatever that works. We would only cripple our o-line if we trade away our best o-line player. We have a great duo in Orakpo and Kerrigan and I am pretty sure we can expect more out from them in next season, why destroy it?

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[quote=skinsfan69;881893]1. No one is bringing in Orton as a starter
2. No one is paying him 5-6 mil a year.[/quote]

1. our team is the redskins so any thing is possible, we brought in Rex to be our starter.
2. the money thing he probably could get 2-3 million a year.

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[quote=redskins5044;881926]1. our team is the redskins so any thing is possible, [B]we brought in Rex to be our starter.[/B]
2. the money thing he probably could get 2-3 million a year.[/quote]

No, we brought Rex in to back up McNabb and then got stuck in a corner when DMac5 didn't work out.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;881908]What about sign Vince Young then draft Brandon Weeden or Russell Wilson later in the draft?[/quote]

That can't be serious.