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@OP
This is just the nature of personnel acquisition. You will draft more failures than studs; it's just that you have a few successes to balance that out. Nobody cares about the other 8 duds in the Packers' 2005 draft because of Rodgers and the two other guys who made it for them. You need to have a great scouting department and have a scrappy and "economic" mind to milk the gains from this game.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;886563]Who is the best QB we've had since the 1991 season? Brad Johnson, I would assume. [/quote]

I would say Trent Green and they were stupid to let him walk, Johnson sucked compared to what Green accomplished, the knee injury he sustained basically screwed him in St. Louis and made Warner the starter.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;886582]I would say Trent Green and they were stupid to let him walk, Johnson sucked compared to what Green accomplished, the knee injury he sustained basically screwed him in St. Louis and made Warner the starter.[/quote]

They both had nice careers and were let go too early by the Skins.

Brad won a SB.

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[quote=Mattyk;886402]The past is irrelevant. Can't worry about past failures, all that matters is hitting on one in this draft.[/quote]

The point I was making is the Redskins over the years have won with free agent quarterbacks rather than draft the so called franchise quarterback. The last great Redskins quarterback to be drafted was Mark Rypien who lead us to a Super Bowl victory. Why is it that during our numerous coaching changes we never have found the so called franchise QB. We have had really bad teams in the past 20 years which means we did have high picks. Is this franchise capable of selecting our quarterback in this years draft? I like Mike Shanahan as our coach and he will need time to make this team a winner. So lets not blame Mike for our failures in drafting a franchise quraterback, this is been going on way to long.

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[quote=mbedner3420;886412]Completely agree! What does 20 years ago have to do with how this coaching administration evaluates talent?[/quote]

I was not blaming this coaching staff for our past failures in drafting a franchise quarterback, I was just pointed out that of all the coaching staffs we have had over the years we have never had a franchise quarterback drafted unless you count Sammy Baugh. I think most of us were not watching the Redskins at that tiime. The Redskins history shows they have more often then not picked up or traded for a veteran quarteback. We have had some success doing this but the modern day era we do need to be able to draft and groom our on young QB. I think another reason we have not drafted a franchise QB in the last 10 years is our unwilliness to start over and rebuild. Remember our old way of business was to use a quick fix approach. You know like bring in Donovan McNabb or Mark Brunell. Lets hope our history can change this years draft if we can get RGIII.

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[quote=skins89moss;886589][B]The point I was making is the Redskins over the years have won with free agent quarterbacks rather than draft the so called franchise quarterback.[/B] The last great Redskins quarterback to be drafted was Mark Rypien who lead us to a Super Bowl victory. Why is it that during our numerous coaching changes we never have found the so called franchise QB. We have had really bad teams in the past 20 years which means we did have high picks. Is this franchise capable of selecting our quarterback in this years draft? I like Mike Shanahan as our coach and he will need time to make this team a winner. So lets not blame Mike for our failures in drafting a franchise quraterback, this is been going on way to long.[/quote]That's right.

Look, it doesn't do a lot of good to look back at the past and let it shape the future. But there is a lesson in this thread, and that lesson was that if you think the Redskins drafting a quarterback in the first round and hoping that guy would make all their other personnel decisions look good would represent the new way of doing stuff, that's not really the case. It would be more like the same thing the Redskins have been doing since 1994.

1st round QBs drafted by the Redskins since 1991: 3
1st round QBs drafted by the Packers since 1991: 1
1st round QBs drafted by the Patriots since 1991: 1

Number of QBs drafted by the Redskins since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 2
Number of QBs drafted by the Packers since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 4
Number of QBs drafted by the Patriots since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 4

Contrary to popular belief, the teams with the best quarterback play in the NFL do not typically invest the most draft value into quarterbacks. If they dabble in the first round, they typically do it only once.

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[quote=GTripp0012;886591]1st round QBs drafted by the Redskins since 1991: 3
1st round QBs drafted by the Packers since 1991: 1
1st round QBs drafted by the Patriots since 1991: 1

Number of QBs drafted by the Redskins since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 2
Number of QBs drafted by the Packers since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 4
Number of QBs drafted by the Patriots since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 4

Contrary to popular belief, the teams with the best quarterback play in the NFL do not typically invest the most draft value into quarterbacks. If they dabble in the first round, they typically do it only once.[/quote]Good points.

Imo a bad franchise cannot produce a 'franchise' QB, I don't care how good the prospect.
There are certain elements that need to be in place from an organizational stand point to support the development and success of a young QB into a 'franchise' QB i.e. personnel (LT, RB, OL, WR, defense) coaching (someone that knows QBs and knows how to install an NFL passing game) front office (someone that has a clear vision and plan towards the future).
Its why the same QB can look like terrible with one team yet look like a HOFer with another team.

I think its also important that to sometimes look at the individual teams that make up the group when it comes to QB success.

The prevailing logic based on the stats is that the higher you draft a QB the better the odds of success.

But if you look at the good franchises and the team with bona fide or even perceived QB 'guru' they tend to have success with their QBs regardless of how or where they acquire them and most were acquired outside the top 10 picks in the 1st round.

I'm doing the list below from memory:

Walsh never drafted a QB in the 1st round
Holmgren: has produced more starting caliber QBs then most franchises and he's never drafted a QB in the 1st round
Bellichick IIRC no 1st round QB, produced a starting QB from a 7th round pick
Andy Reid: has drafted the highest but also produced Kolb a 2nd rounder into a starter and turned Vick into a top 10 passer
Sean Peyton: Tony Romo UDFA and Drew Brees via FA
McCarthy: late 1st round and now Matt Flynn
Shananhan: has only drafted 1 Cutler at 11 (IIRC) and produced pro-bowlers with 3rd round Greise and FA Plummer

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I'm sorry but I don't buy all of this "let's look at the past" crap. It doesn't matter, and it's straight up irrelevant. Their isn't some sort of Redskins god that dictates whether or not we will successfully draft a franchise QB or that Mike Shanahan gets a pass because no other regime was able to draft a franchise QB.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;886587]They both had nice careers and were let go too early by the Skins.

Brad won a SB.[/QUOTE]

Brad was a baller for us I'm still mad we let him go

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Not that I like McShay, but heres some draft talk for you all to feed on for the next 5 minutes until you ask another peyton or rg3 question..
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/mcshay-redskins-have-options-in-nfl-draft/2012/02/17/gIQA1mquJR_blog.html#pagebreak]McShay: Redskins have options in NFL draft - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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No success. Then we're "due."

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I'd like to see the ratio of SB winning QBs who were drafted by the team they won it with versus aquisitions.

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we have some luck when we draft players in texas

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[quote=skinsfaninok;886660]Brad was a baller for us I'm still mad we let him go[/quote]

I'll never forget that playoff game.

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[quote=tc2deuce;886719]we have some luck when we draft players in texas[/quote]

Nice one.

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[quote=diehard;886746]I'll never forget that playoff game.[/quote]

Damn BUCS

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[quote=skinsfaninok;886749]Damn BUCS[/quote]

Snyder is still kicking himself for that move...

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we had that damn game, u know I really felt we were going to the SB that year

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I guess when the free agencey period starts this may determine what direction we will be going if we sign someone like Orton or Flynn. I just don't know if the Redskins will have enough ammo to move up to the 2nd pick with the Rams. I think our biggest threat to draft RGIII is the Browns. How much should we give up to ensure we get RGIII or just let the chips fall and see if he is still their when we pick at #6. I like RGIII he seems to be a great kid with freakish athletic talent but will that make him a franchise quarterback or even a middle of the pack QB like Jason Campbell. I still think we should have kept Jason Shannahans 1 season instead of trading for McNasty. Oh well I will look back at this thread and read what has been posted to see how it all unfolds in the coming months. Lets hope and pray we find a QB who can lead this team for the next 5-8 years.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;886749]Damn BUCS[/quote]damn dan turk r.i.p.

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Our biggest issue IMO is that we haven't had the continuity of a coaching staff to create a successfull QB. 7 head coaches in 12 years. I think this group the MS/BA group will put it togther.

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The shanny's have no choice but to draft a qb come april. If next season is anything like the last two and we still have somebody else's reject under center I can't see them coming back for a 4th year. Unless of course that is they were "grooming" a rookie qb all season long.

Skins fans are dying for a franchise quarterback in dc. It's been to long and to much trial and error, lets get it right this time and bring back the glory days to dc.
HTTR

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[quote=Fletcher4Pres;886825]The shanny's have no choice but to draft a qb come april. If next season is anything like the last two and we still have somebody else's reject under center I can't see them coming back for a 4th year. Unless of course that is they were "grooming" a rookie qb all season long.

Skins fans are dying for a franchise quarterback in dc. It's been to long and to much trial and error, lets get it right this time and bring back the glory days to dc.
HTTR[/quote]

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Mike Shanahan has been working with great QBs his entire career. I'm sure he'll get it right this off season mainly because he has to.