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i'd like to keep him, but no one is irreplaceable. for as good as some people like to think he is, it didn't translate in the W-L column.

I wouldn't go above 3/20.

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[quote=That Guy;890508]i'd like to keep him, but no one is irreplaceable. for as good as some people like to think he is, [B]it didn't translate in the W-L [/B]column.

I wouldn't go above 3/20.[/quote]
??????

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[quote=GTripp0012;890472]Fletcher could get between 3/20 and (a backloaded) 3/25 on the open market. I don't think he's going to get $9 mil a year, but he probably can do better elsewhere if he's really just going to look for the biggest contract he can find.[/quote]


No way in hell would he get that on the open market. He'll be 37 this May. The only reason Ray is getting paid the type of salary he is is because he signed his contract back in 2009, and the fact he's been drafted and with the Ravens his whole career. He's in part of the reason why they have a Super Bowl trophy.

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[quote=Mattyk;890420]They're pretty set with Laurinaitis[/quote]

Ahhh yes I remember him. Well that's probably/potentially good for us!

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[quote=SmootSmack;890457]Is it really unreasonable to give him a deal up to 3 years $20 some million?[/quote]

No, not IMHO. To those who say London is no where near Ray-Ray kinda money...try to argue the Ravens will miss Lewis more than our Skins will London? Oh...you say Lewis is surrounded by more talent? Yep, sure is...now who's more valuable to his team?

So you pay the man unless you have a plan to upgrade all the talent around London in one season if he walks?

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...in straight cash, [I]homie[/I]. Now who's for signing Randy Moss? :)

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[QUOTE=The Goat;890538]...in straight cash, homie. Now who's for signing Randy Moss? [/QUOTE]

5 years 60 million 34 million guaranteed. Sign me up yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!

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...that's a lotta bills to roll up!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;890381]Are we really that desperate that we're calling a 36 year old LB on a 5-11 team irreplacable? As much as I like Fletch, we need to start looking in another direction. Let's get another young guy in there that can go with Riley for the next several years.[/quote]

Are you kidding me with this 36yr old crap ? Age ain't everything, FLETCH has been lights out since day # 1. He's 36 but we aren't signing him for a 5 yr deal .. this dude is a machine - RAY LEWIS type machine ... he is ideal to help mature Riley and the rest of the D. I believe somewhere Shanny said that re-signing Fletch was the #1 priority. Bottom line .. this guy had less to do with the 5-11 record than anybody .. oh & yeah he never misses a game and gives 100%

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[quote=DCtoAZ;890559]Are you kidding me with this 36yr old crap ? Age ain't everything, FLETCH has been lights out since day # 1. He's 36 but we aren't signing him for a 5 yr deal .. this dude is a machine - RAY LEWIS type machine ... he is ideal to help mature Riley and the rest of the D. I believe somewhere Shanny said that re-signing Fletch was the #1 priority. Bottom line .. this guy had less to do with the 5-11 record than anybody .. oh & yeah he never misses a game and gives 100%[/quote]


W/out question he's been the most consistent performer on an average defense. He's been solid. Not lights out. I just get so tired of everyone saying that he can teach the younger guys, be a mentor.... blah blah blah. Give me a break. This isn't Romper Room. It's the NFL. If guys need to be motivated at this level then we have the wrong guys. I just don't see the need to keep an old LB on a bad team that's rebuilding. Let the guy go to New England or somewhere that's a contender. And if I'm the front office I'm not keeping any old guys cause it makes no sense.

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Bruce Allen is smart. He'll get a deal in place for Fletcher before the free agency period begins. Mike Shanahan has already mentioned that re-signing Fletcher is a priority.

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Age aside, the botton line is the guy is still a top performer at his position. It would be stupid to not make a good effort at retaining him.

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So we're gonna bring back Lamar Marshall?
Awesome so pumped for that!
Smh give credit where credit(money) is due... i'll be sick if we lose him especially to philly i'll lose it.
SIGN HIM.

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[quote=skinsfan69;890622]W/out question he's been the most consistent performer on an average defense. He's been solid. Not lights out. I just get so tired of everyone saying that he can teach the younger guys, be a mentor.... blah blah blah. Give me a break. This isn't Romper Room. It's the NFL. If guys need to be motivated at this level then we have the wrong guys. I just don't see the need to keep an old LB on a bad team that's rebuilding. Let the guy go to New England or somewhere that's a contender. And if I'm the front office I'm not keeping any old guys cause it makes no sense.[/quote]

I believe Fletcher led the league in tackles last year, that doesn't seem like keeping an old guy just because. It's keeping a guy who is a producing where the team needs a production. That's where the discussion begins, then if you want to continue it, you go to the mentor/character conversation, which is more than just about football mentoring, it's about life. A 21yo coming out of college, and having the lights of the NFL shine on him can be overwhelming, and having some guys that are setting the tone in the locker room has a place in the discussion of keeping/paying an aging, but productive, vet.

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[quote=Mattyk;890635]Age aside, the botton line is the guy is still a top performer at his position. It would be stupid to not make a good effort at retaining him.[/quote]

I agree but I think the Skins cant be afraid to thank him for his service and wish him well.

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[quote=irish;890678]I agree but I think the Skins cant be afraid to thank him for his service and wish him well.[/quote]

How can Redskins not be afraid to let him go? Do we have someone on the team who can replace him, or even find someone to replace him? I don't think so.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;890674]I believe Fletcher led the league in tackles last year, that doesn't seem like keeping an old guy just because. It's keeping a guy who is a producing where the team needs a production. That's where the discussion begins, then if you want to continue it, you go to the mentor/character conversation, which is more than just about football mentoring, it's about life. A 21yo coming out of college, and having the lights of the NFL shine on him can be overwhelming, and having some guys that are setting the tone in the locker room has a place in the discussion of keeping/paying an aging, but productive, vet.[/quote]

I agree with all that. I just don't see Fletcher as a must sign.

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[quote=skinsfan69;890692]I agree with all that. I just don't see Fletcher as a must sign.[/quote]

Who would you replace Fletcher with if we fail to resign him?

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[quote=irish;890678]I agree but I think the Skins cant be afraid to thank him for his service and wish him well.[/quote]

Obviously that's the case, or they would have caved to his demands by now.

It's got to make sense for both sides.

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[quote=skinsfan69;890692]I agree with all that. I just don't see Fletcher as a must sign.[/quote]

If Fletcher were to leave would it leave us a weaker team?

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[quote=GreekSkin;890719]If Fletcher were to leave would it leave us a weaker team?[/quote]

No. Although London Fletcher has been a tremendous performer for us over the course of the last four or five seasons, we still have options if we are unable to re-sign him. Mike Shanahan has stated that re-signing Fletcher is an off season priority and I think they'll get a deal done before free agency starts.

But...there are other options to consider if the Redskins and Fletcher don't come to terms. There are other inside linebackers such as Bart Scott and even young men already on the roster like Lorenzo Alexander, Marcus White, Keyaron Fox or the coaches could even move Rob Jackson to the inside. But all in all, I expect Fletcher to re-sign with the Redskins before the beginning of free agency.

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This will probably work like it did with Hall.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;890797]No. Although London Fletcher has been a tremendous performer for us over the course of the last four or five seasons, we still have options if we are unable to re-sign him. Mike Shanahan has stated that re-signing Fletcher is an off season priority and I think they'll get a deal done before free agency starts.

But...there are other options to consider if the Redskins and Fletcher don't come to terms. There are other inside linebackers such as Bart Scott and even young men already on the roster like Lorenzo Alexander, Marcus White, Keyaron Fox or the coaches could even move Rob Jackson to the inside. But all in all, I expect Fletcher to re-sign with the Redskins before the beginning of free agency.[/quote]

You're telling me that replacing Fletch with the likes of Lorenzo, Keyaron Fox and two players that arent even close to being ILB's wouldn't leave us weaker? There was a reason Bart Scotts role was reduced last year btw.

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[quote=GreekSkin;890719]If Fletcher were to leave would it leave us a weaker team?[/quote]

HELL YES!!! If the Skins had someone on the team now who could lead the entire NFL in tackles he would be playing all ready, add in his leadrship and knowledge of the D and the game it's self....just show him the damn money!

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[quote=GridIron26;890697]Who would you replace Fletcher with if we fail to resign him?[/quote]

I'd try and find a guy in the draft that can step in and start alongside Riley for the next several years.

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[quote=GreekSkin;890719]If Fletcher were to leave would it leave us a weaker team?[/quote]

I don't know. We're 5-11 and not going to the playoffs next year. My point is I want a guy that's going to be here for several more years. If we're going to win 4-6 games, I want to do it as young as possible.

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our 5-11 record doesn't say anything about London Fletcher so I'm not sure what that proves. The point is, you can still bring in a young guy and keep a great player. It doesnt have to be one or the other.

We don't have cap issues, we don't have a young LB on the team that needs the playing time, furthermore we don't have a young LB on the team that deserves the playing time. Even if you bring in player in the draft whats the likelihood that we dont skip a beat by letting Fletch walk.

I just don't understand the reasoning.

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Tag Fletcher, not Davis

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[quote=GreekSkin;890903]our 5-11 record doesn't say anything about London Fletcher so I'm not sure what that proves. The point is, you can still bring in a young guy and keep a great player. It doesnt have to be one or the other.

We don't have cap issues, we don't have a young LB on the team that needs the playing time, furthermore we don't have a young LB on the team that deserves the playing time. Even if you bring in player in the draft whats the likelihood that we dont skip a beat by letting Fletch walk.

I just don't understand the reasoning.[/quote]

It's called player hating

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[quote=skinsfan69;890891]I don't know. We're 5-11 and not going to the playoffs next year. My point is I want a guy that's going to be here for several more years. [B]If we're going to win 4-6 games[/B], I want to do it as young as possible.[/quote]
So theoretically, we will fix the QB position...improve the the outlook for some Offensive skill positions and reinforce the D...and get JJ back.
AND you don't think we'll really improve?
Interesting.........
Getting rid of Fletcher for any kind of reasonable number totally smacks of a Pre-Shanahan move......

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[quote=Giantone;890862]HELL YES!!! If the Skins had someone on the team now who could lead the entire NFL in tackles he would be playing all ready, add in his leadrship and knowledge of the D and the game it's self....just show him the damn money![/quote]

It's a sad day when a Giants fan gets what (about) half of Skins fans don't...

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[quote=GreekSkin;890851]You're telling me that replacing Fletch with the likes of Lorenzo, Keyaron Fox and two players that arent even close to being ILB's wouldn't leave us weaker? There was a reason Bart Scotts role was reduced last year btw.[/quote]

Lorenzo Alexander has excelled at every position he's played for the Redskins during his entire tenure. He already said that he could play the inside position. Bart Scott has been successful playing ILB for years for the Ravens and Jets. The only reason he was benched was because his mouth got him into trouble. Rob Jackson, because he's still young with potential and upside, could surely fit into the inside because of his instincts and athleticism.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;890980] The only reason he was benched was because his mouth got him into trouble. .[/quote]


In Fletchers whole time in the NFL has this ever happen to him, NO ....and why is that?

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;890980]Lorenzo Alexander has excelled at every position he's played for the Redskins during his entire tenure. He already said that he could play the inside position. Bart Scott has been successful playing ILB for years for the Ravens and Jets. The only reason he was benched was because his mouth got him into trouble. Rob Jackson, because he's still young with potential and upside, could surely fit into the inside because of his instincts and athleticism.[/quote]

Well if Lorenzo himself said it then surely he could match the production of London Fletcher... As for Rob Jackson while he could eventually make a good OLB he doesn't have what it takes to play inside and I don't know where you're getting that idea from. His instincts last year lead him to lose sight of the ball on more than one occasion, but sure let's have him replace the anchor of our defense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;890889]I'd try and find a guy in the draft that can step in and start alongside Riley for the next several years.[/quote]

Let's suppose we traded up to draft Griffin, and we are left with only 2nd round, 5th, 6th, and 7th picks. Are you suggesting that we use 2nd round pick to draft a LB to replace Fletcher? Since not many teams would expect a player from 4th round or less to start on first game. If so, then what about WR, RT, FS, and CB? However if we expect to stay at #6 or trade down, then we maybe could use 2nd or 3rd pick to draft the replacement, but I think we would be taking a big gamble. Look at Eagles and their LB situation last year, they took Casey Matthews in 4th round with the expectation of starting him - look at how it worked out for them.

That is my point - we are not in a situation where we have the luxury to let Fletcher walk and expect to find someone to replace him.

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[quote=GreekSkin;890992]Well if Lorenzo himself said it then surely he could match the production of London Fletcher... As for Rob Jackson while he could eventually make a good OLB he doesn't have what it takes to play inside and I don't know where you're getting that idea from. His instincts last year lead him to lose sight of the ball on more than one occasion, but sure let's have him replace the anchor of our defense.[/quote]


Whether or not Alexander can match Fletcher's productivity would remain to be seen. Not all NFL inside linebackers playing in the 3-4 defense matched Fletcher's productivity or made more tackles than Fletcher did in 2011. But that doesn't mean Alexander couldn't man the position. But if the Redskins don't end up signing Fletcher before March 13th, then what? He'll be a free agent and could possibly sign with another team. Then the Redskins would have to either draft someone to replace him, make a trade, or sign another free agent to take London's place in the middle. As far as Rob Jackson, he really hasn't played enough downs to properly evaluate him. He played well against the Jaguars in 2010.

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[quote=GridIron26;890995]Let's suppose we traded up to draft Griffin, and we are left with only 2nd round, 5th, 6th, and 7th picks. Are you suggesting that we use 2nd round pick to draft a LB to replace Fletcher? Since not many teams would expect a player from 4th round or less to start on first game. If so, then what about WR, RT, FS, and CB? However if we expect to stay at #6 or trade down, then we maybe could use 2nd or 3rd pick to draft the replacement, but I think we would be taking a big gamble. Look at Eagles and their LB situation last year, they took Casey Matthews in 4th round with the expectation of starting him - look at how it worked out for them.

That is my point - we are not in a situation where we have the luxury to let Fletcher walk and expect to find someone to replace him.[/quote]

This team is simply not in a position to throw away 3 high draft picks to draft someone that may or may not become a great player. That's one of the reasons we're not a good team cause we've been too carless with draft picks. Keep the picks and keep building your team so you can sustain success.

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[quote=GreekSkin;890903]our 5-11 record doesn't say anything about London Fletcher so I'm not sure what that proves. The point is, you can still bring in a young guy and keep a great player. It doesnt have to be one or the other.

We don't have cap issues, we don't have a young LB on the team that needs the playing time, furthermore we don't have a young LB on the team that deserves the playing time. Even if you bring in player in the draft whats the likelihood that we dont skip a beat by letting Fletch walk.

I just don't understand the reasoning.[/quote]

The reasoning is I'd rather turn over the roster and get young guys on the field at every position, or most positions. This is a REBUILD! I personally think Shanahan is afraid to play young guys. Example..Why didn't they just put Riley in there instead of wasting time with Rocky? Rocky's NOT a fit for the 3-4 yet they still put him in there. Why? I want Fletcher back. I'm just saying he's not A MUST SIGN. The sky isn't going to fall if we don't sign him. Remember, we're 5-11 and couldn't stop Joe Webb and Toby Gerhart. I'd rather get rid of a guy a year early than a year too late.

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[quote=skinsfan69;891058]This team is simply not in a position to throw away 3 high draft picks to draft someone that may or may not become a great player. That's one of the reasons we're not a good team cause we've been too carless with draft picks. Keep the picks and keep building your team so you can sustain success.[/quote]

I totally agree with not trading up, I would prefer for us to stay pat and draft Tannehill. But then there are so many rumors claiming the fact that Redskins is looking to trade up to draft Griffin. You are still missing my point, regardless of what we do in draft, we still do not have enough picks to draft a replacement for Fletcher that we can expect to contribute immediately. We have several needs to fill in, such as QB, WR, FS, RT, CB, and maybe SS if we don't resign Landry. By letting Fletcher walk away, we would only add another position that we will need to fill in.

The only scenario where I can see us drafting a LB in draft who we can expect to replace Fletcher next season is if we trade down and gain another 2nd or 3rd round pick. I am not sure if that will happen since Tannehill will be gone in top 15, unless we want Weeden.

My ideal plan for ILB situation would be to resign Fletcher and draft a replacement next year.