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[quote=Hog1;898024]Conventional math has little use here......much like credit cards..[/quote]

Conventional math is how salary caps are done. Theres something fishy about this 18 mil getting deducted thing that hasn't been exposed.

[QUOTE=skinster;898046]Garcon has a 5 year 42.5 mil contract. Carriker got 4 years 20 mil and nfl.com is reporting that morgan got a 2 year deal averaging over 6 mil a year. Thats over 8, 5, over 6. not 7, 2, 2.[/QUOTE]

It really depends how the contracts and bonuses are structured. I imagine alot of salary cap crunching is going on at Ashburn right now. Chances are the 7 2 2 will be how the cap hits work out.
Edit: just read the washington examiner piece on Morgan and while its 12 in the first two years the whole length is 5 years so 12/5 is 2.4 mil. Which is probably the cap hit this year (quick math not cc or shneed number crunching)

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[quote=skinster;898046]Garcon has a 5 year 42.5 mil contract. Carriker got 4 years 20 mil and nfl.com is reporting that morgan got a 2 year deal averaging over 6 mil a year. Thats over 8, 5, over 6. not 7, 2, 2.[/quote]contract amounts are not evenly distributed over the length of the contract

[QUOTE=skinster;898047]Conventional math is how salary caps are done. Theres something fishy about this 18 mil getting deducted thing that hasn't been exposed.[/QUOTE]

Salary cap math is not conventional, bonuses, guarantees types of payment all get figured in and BA has shown several times he is very astute at writing contracts that minimize the salary cap implications in any given year.

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[quote=skinster;898019]Garcon over 8 mil a year, Morgan over 6 mil a year, Carriker 5 mil a year, Royal probably to a similar contract to morgan. We are also trying to bring in winston and orton, and we need to sign our draft picks/RGIII. Where are we getting the cap space? I've been hearing everywhere that it's "official" that we have 18 million less this season.[/quote]


Garcon, Morgan and Carriker have probably taken up around $11 - $12 M in space between them. That leaves another $6 M in remaining space, before the team even restructures any deals.

The restructuring could clear up to $20 M in space.

They can make the room if they want. Though a small part of me thinks they're saying "f the police" and ignoring the NFL's cap adjustment with the intent of fighting it.

They can sign Winston and some safeties and be OK. It's not a cap hell situation.

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[quote=los panda;898052]contract amounts are not evenly distributed over the length of the contract[/quote]

I'm fully aware. But its normally not much more than 2-3 million off from the average of the length. The second report saying that Morgan's deal is over 5 years seems to make things make sense.

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Here is CC's post on the projected cap numbers for our shiny new toys.
[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;897841]Did some quick calculations on the recent signings. Here are the cap hits I've come up with so far given the info out there (000s):

Carriker
2012: $2,750
2013: $4,750
2014: $5,750
2015: $6,750
TOTAL: $20,000

Garcon
2012: $7,300
2013: $7,300
2014: $8,300
2015: $9,300
2016: $10,300
TOTAL: $42,500

Morgan
2012: $2,200
2013: $2,300
2014: $2,500
2015: $2,500
2016: $2,500
TOTAL: $12,000[/QUOTE]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;898058]Salary cap math is not conventional, bonuses, guarantees types of payment all get figured in and BA has shown several times he is very astute at writing contracts that minimize the salary cap implications in any given year.[/quote]

When I say conventional math, I mean addition and subtraction. I know structuring contracts to maximize possibilities is tough, but looking at a cap sheet and figuring out if our team is under/over the cap is pretty straight forward.

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[QUOTE]Redskins | Financials for Joshua Morgan
Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:19:42 -0700

Updating a previous report, the deal between the Washington Redskins and WR Joshua Morgan is for $5.5 million to sign, $1.8 million in base salary for 2012, which is fully guaranteed, and then for $3.8 million in base salary in 2013, and another $900,000 in bonuses.[/QUOTE]

Read more: [URL="http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1p3PHt9VH"]NFL News and Rumors - Hot off the Wire Fantasy Football News[/URL]

According to KFFL, the cap number should be about $2.9 million for Josh Morgan. Unless part of that $900,000 is on this year then it could be higher.

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[quote=steveo395;898085]Read more: [URL="http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1p3PHt9VH"]NFL News and Rumors - Hot off the Wire Fantasy Football News[/URL]

According to KFFL, the cap number should be about $2.9 million for Josh Morgan. Unless part of that $900,000 is on this year then it could be higher.[/quote]

Canuck made a $700k mistake. Dock 30% of his post count.....retroactively.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;898087]Canuck made a $700k mistake. Dock 30% of his post count.....retroactively.[/quote]

Yes but do it in 2 years... :rolleyes:

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[quote=steveo395;898085]According to KFFL, the cap number should be about $2.9 million for Josh Morgan. Unless part of that $900,000 is on this year then it could be higher.[/quote]

Agreed.

I originally heard 5 years, $12M with an out after year 2. But perhaps it's a 5 year deal for more, with Morgan taking in $12M over the first 2 years. The KFFL numbers imply this.

Also the same site has this about Carriker's deal:

"Updating a previous report, the contract Washington Redskins DL Adam Carriker agreed to Tuesday, March 13, including a $3 million signing bonus and $700,000 base salary for 2012. He can void the years 2013 through 2015 with a $1 million buyback. The base salaries for 2013 is for $3.7 million, $4.7 million for 2014 and $4.7 million for 2015."

Looks like Carriker only got $3M guaranteed not $7M. Based on this Carriker's 2012 cap hit is $1.45M.

[QUOTE=skinster;898066]When I say conventional math, I mean addition and subtraction. I know structuring contracts to maximize possibilities is tough, but looking at a cap sheet and figuring out if our team is under/over the cap is pretty straight forward.[/QUOTE]

But finding the right numbers to put on the cap sheet isn't simple addition and subtraction(there is division and order of operation stuff too;)), and that's what the discussion was about. You originally said 8+6+5. But those are not the numbers that go onto our teams cap sheet. The right numbers are considerably lower.

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Interesting that Carriker negotiated a deal he can get out in just one year

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carriker's contract seems really redskins friendly... its basically a one year deal.

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[quote=SmootSmack;898180]Interesting that Carriker negotiated a deal he can get out in just one year[/quote]

The more I look at it I suspect there is also a $3M option (signing) bonus in 2013 in addition to the numbers mentioned. This would bring the total deal to $20M and the total guaranteed to about $7M as reported.

It is an interesting out clause for Carriker. The Skins probably gave him this option in exchange for less guaranteed overall.

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[quote=SmootSmack;898180]Interesting that Carriker negotiated a deal he can get out in just one year[/quote]

I think that is mostly due to Jenkins, Carriker probably wants to see how much he plays and how often Haslett rotates DL men?

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I loved the signing of Carriker .. that dude is a beast ... rotating him and jenkins with Rak & Kerrigan on outside .. oo wee ... now let's get FLETCH RE-SIGNED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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With the news that we've signed a few safeties and are close on re-signing London Fletcher, I think it's a sign that we've either reworked more contracts to create cap space, or that behind-the-scenes discussions with the NFL are taking place and potentially leaning towards a reduction of our cap penalty.

The former is the more likely situation. I don't think these most recent signings would be possible without the creation of additional space.

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A couple of contracts are expected to be restructured over the weekend. If they're not already

We have around $6 million in cap space right now, as I understand it

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[quote=SmootSmack;908714]A couple of contracts are expected to be restructured over the weekend. If they're not already

We have around $6 million in cap space right now, as I understand it[/quote]

Makes sense. $6 M is in the neighborhood of the amount needed to cover the rookie class. So these free agent signings we're making (Fletch, Jackson, etc.) will require that some space be created through the restructures you mention.