Re: How will our defense hold up next year?
 

I hope some of these comments are being sarcastic, if not wow. This was the first year running the 3-4 defense right? They had little to no help from a terrible offense. Starting defense included a rookie OLB(Kerrigan), 2nd year ILB(Riley), rookie safety for half the season(Gomes), Reed Doughty (WHERE ARE THE PHOTOS OF DANNY WITH A HOOKER?)

Our defense will be better this season because of the youngsters improving and the whole team being in the system for another season.

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[quote=CapitalDefense;899678]I hope some of these comments are being sarcastic, if not wow. This was the first year running the 3-4 defense right? They had little to no help from a terrible offense. Starting defense included a rookie OLB(Kerrigan), 2nd year ILB(Riley), rookie safety for half the season(Gomes), Reed Doughty (WHERE ARE THE PHOTOS OF DANNY WITH A HOOKER?)

Our defense will be better this season because of the youngsters improving and the whole team being in the system for another season.[/quote]

2012 will be third season in the 3-4. There was improvement in year two...

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[quote=GTripp0012;899663]Also known as the John Beck argument.[/quote]

Where is that fanarchist guy when you need him?

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[quote=Hog1;899675]There is some truth in that an improved O would bring about nice things for the D.....AND, although not SB ready this year, I do expect significant improvement in that area.[/quote]I think the offense will be improved this year. The Redskins gamble that they will be much improved. I think they're going in the right direction, speaking very generally.

But I think this is the 'year of improvement' in Shanahan's offense. Would be smart to pair that with an uptick in defense and special teams as well.

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It will be mediocre. 15th place in scoring and awful against the pass.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;899698]It will be mediocre. 15th place in scoring and awful against the pass.[/quote]Mediocre providing 16 start seasons for both Orakpo and Kerrigan.

Fans often associate a long injury list with bad luck, but never consider good luck when star players have healthy seasons. Orakpo and Kerrigan were really quite healthy all year. At least til Orakpo got hurt in Philadelphia to end the season.

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so, should we have paid $10mill this year (to LL and OA) to watch gomes and doughty start another 13 games for us? that doesn't sound like a better idea at all.

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[quote=That Guy;899708]so, should we have paid $10mill this year (to LL and OA) to watch gomes and doughty start another 13 games for us? that doesn't sound like a better idea at all.[/quote]No that's not a good plan. If I was going that route, I would have moved on from Doughty, upgraded to a starter, and turned Atogwe into a sub package player who is reliable if he needed to start. Then if the special teams unit requires it, I would roster a fifth safety.

That player would have been Dwight Lowery, Brodney Pool, or Mike Adams, but all are signed now. I also would consider signing a corner and moving him.

Gomes is more than enough of a contingency plan for Landry at this point in his career.

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this defense will be just fine and better than mediocre ... we continue to make smart moves .. resigning Carriker (check) .. letting Landry be Landry (check) ... Get Jenkins healthy (hopeful check) ... Keep D-Hall (check even though he gets hated on big time) ... Let OJ go (check) ... umm Orakpo, Kerrigan, Riley, Gomes, Neild all solid young players .. Josh Wilson will be better this year ... signing Merriweather was a great move .. love this team

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[quote=That Guy;899708]so, should we have paid $10mill this year (to LL and OA) to watch gomes and doughty start another 13 games for us? that doesn't sound like a better idea at all.[/quote]

Lol no. With their recent history, Doughty and Gomes would be starting anyway for a good portion of the season because Landry and Atogwe are rather injury prone.

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[quote=DCtoAZ;899715]this defense will be just fine and better than mediocre ... we continue to make smart moves .. resigning Carriker (check) .. letting Landry be Landry (check) ... Get Jenkins healthy (hopeful check) ... Keep D-Hall (check even though he gets hated on big time) ... Let OJ go (check) ... umm Orakpo, Kerrigan, Riley, Gomes, Neild all solid young players .. Josh Wilson will be better this year ... signing Merriweather was a great move .. love this team[/quote]

You forgot Fletcher. Therefore, your defense fails.

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[quote=Lotus;899693]Where is that fanarchist guy when you need him?[/quote]

That fanarchist guy who made the arguement that John Beck should replace Grossman during the bye week because of Grossman's incessent turnover problem, and the next week Beck was thrust into the starting role.

There must have been some validity to what he was saying considering the beloved Shanahan genius think tank made the move he was petitioning for on this site.

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Did you also give Grossman pneumonia during the bye week?

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offense will help the defense, less time on the field and more points to play a little more loose. Defense will be about the same stat wise, maybe a little stronger. It WILL NOT be worse.

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A friend of mine told me that the Redskins were talking to Jameel McLain to take Fletchers place. Has anyone else heard that.

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Hadnt heard anything

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[quote=SmootSmack;899742]Did you also give Grossman pneumonia during the bye week?[/quote]

That happened prior to the Carolina game.

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Right, sorry. Did you give it to him then?

Re: How will our defense hold up next year?
 

[quote=fanarchist;899740]That fanarchist guy who made the arguement that John Beck should replace Grossman during the bye week because of Grossman's incessent turnover problem, and the next week Beck was thrust into the starting role.

There must have been some validity to what he was saying considering the beloved Shanahan genius think tank made the move he was petitioning for on this site.[/quote]

Yes, that fanarchist guy who ad nauseum made the brilliant argument, "Beck couldn't be worse than Grossman." That guy was certainly proven correct. :(

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[quote=SmootSmack;899755]Right, sorry. Did you give it to him then?[/quote]

That was me....and the voodoo doll.

Re: How will our defense hold up next year?
 

So where have you been for the past 5 months?

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[U]2011 Reg Season:[/U]
32nd defense - Green Bay Packers
31st defense - New England Patriots
27th defense - New York Giants
24th defense - New Orleans Saints
13th defense - Washington Redskins

2011 Offenses
1) New Orleans Saints
2) New England Patriots
3) Green Bay Packers
8) New York Giants
16) Washington Redskins

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go"]2011 Defense Rankings[/URL]



Okay, clearly there's always talk about defense winning championships. And defense is clearly important and we need to address this. BUT before we get carried away, [U]our defense was GOOD ENOUGH to compete with the top teams in the league above.[/U]

The more important point is, our offense is traditionally what has lost games. And the risky moves for #1 picks and overpaying WR's -- I believe they were well spent for high risk-high reward franchise QB and #1-2 WR. I would say that RG3-Garcon will do more for our team than the best secondary in the planet. For example, if we became the best defense in the league, we'd give up 8 less points per game. If we became the best offense in the league, we'd score 17 more points per game, much more impact.


* Baltimore, San Francisco and Denver had great defenses, but inevitably collapsed

We were the 16th ranked offense with Rex ad beck. Imagine what RGIII will do

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[quote=Lotus;899758]Yes, that fanarchist guy who ad nauseum made the brilliant argument, "Beck couldn't be worse than Grossman." That guy was certainly proven correct. :([/quote]

Haha! The blossom is still losing his pedals, and relativity is still a labyrinth to be navigated.

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[quote=skinster;899203]It seems to me like we lost ALOT of our defense. Being 21st in pts and 24th in turnovers last year, its not like its a solid rock for us to fall back on before we started losing guys.

Landry, Atogwe, and (looks like) Fletcher/Rocky are gone. I'd say Deangelo will be cut as well if we manage to sign another Free Agent...which it seems we are looking to do. But not just any free agents, it seems like we're looking more for offensive players as we are targeting eddie royal, pushing hard for Grubbs, and looking at Winston/others.

I hope we somehow find the cap space to fix this without pushing too much money into the future, but it's not looking likely (especially if we get another offensive FA). I think that its even worse that every position we have of need is a pass coverage position. We are in need of 2 starting safeties, a coverage LB, and IMO at least one corner.

Any thoughts/solutions on this matter? If you offer a solution via free agents, please try to look at our cap situation first while taking into account we also have to give RGIII a few million.[/quote]

If the Offense is better, the Defense will be better. The strength of our Defense is the front 7. Kerrigan should be better, Orakpo as well and Jenkins will be back. If our Offense can get a lead and put other teams in obvious passing situations, the sack and turnover numbers should go up. We're not going to have studs at every position. No one does. The Giants secondary wasn't very good, but they had an Offense that controlled the clock and put points on the board and they got to the other team's QB.

Our Defense will be fine as long as the Offense doesn't constantly put them in bad situations like it did last year and as long as our front 7 can stay healthy.

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Our defense will be interesting next year with almost a new secondary. If we keep Fletcher I like our chances to be better. Jarvis Jenkins being healthy will be interesting if he's anything like his rookie year. The dude better be wearing a knee brace on both knees. It alose depends on Griffin, because if he is anything close to as advertised, that makes our Team better cause the defense will be more motivated.

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[quote=ethat001;899787][U]2011 Reg Season:[/U]
32nd defense - Green Bay Packers
31st defense - New England Patriots
27th defense - New York Giants
24th defense - New Orleans Saints
13th defense - Washington Redskins

2011 Offenses
1) New Orleans Saints
2) New England Patriots
3) Green Bay Packers
8) New York Giants
16) Washington Redskins

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go"]2011 Defense Rankings[/URL]



Okay, clearly there's always talk about defense winning championships. And defense is clearly important and we need to address this. BUT before we get carried away, [U]our defense was GOOD ENOUGH to compete with the top teams in the league above.[/U]

The more important point is, our offense is traditionally what has lost games. And the risky moves for #1 picks and overpaying WR's -- I believe they were well spent for high risk-high reward franchise QB and #1-2 WR. I would say that RG3-Garcon will do more for our team than the best secondary in the planet. For example, if we became the best defense in the league, we'd give up 8 less points per game. If we became the best offense in the league, we'd score 17 more points per game, much more impact.


* Baltimore, San Francisco and Denver had great defenses, but inevitably collapsed[/quote]

What he just said. Although San Fran was done in by one guy on special teams and Baltimore had a Lee Evans/kicker problem;)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;899832]Our defense will be interesting next year with almost a new secondary. If we keep Fletcher I like our chances to be better. Jarvis Jenkins being healthy will be interesting if he's anything like his rookie year. The dude better be wearing a knee brace on both knees. It alose depends on Griffin, because if he is anything close to as advertised, that makes our Team better cause the defense will be more motivated.[/quote]

Motivated? How about more rested? 2 turnovers a game by their own QB is about the worst thing the Defense had to deal with. I'd temper the expectations for RGIIi as a rookie though. There are going to be growing pains.

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[quote=SmootSmack;899771]So where have you been for the past 5 months?[/quote]

Are questions like this intended to gauge devotion, and loyalty? And then when you infer that I'm disloyal does my voice lose all volume? Seems like a very domineering approach to human interaction.

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Or maybe he was just sayin', hey where you been?

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[quote=skinster;899203]...Any thoughts/solutions on this matter? If you offer a solution via free agents, please try to look at our cap situation first while taking into account we also have to give RGIII a few million.[/quote]

o Re-sign Fletcher

o Sign another sign another Free Agent

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I think it's a little premature to be down on the D.

LL and Atogwe were hardly on the field last year, so is there really much of a loss there?

Still a good chance Fletcher returns.

Jenkins is back, that's a plus.

Hall is still here last I checked.

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[quote=Mattyk;899842]Or maybe he was just sayin', hey where you been?[/quote]

You're right Matty. I'm sure that's all he was saying. We're such close friends he wants to know what's been happening in my personal life over the past 5 months. He can just send me a private message, and we'll catch up on all of my wild worldly adventures.

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[quote=fanarchist;899860]You're right Matty. I'm sure that's all he was saying. We're such close friends he wants to know what's been happening in my personal life over the past 5 months. He can just send me a private message, and we'll catch up on all of my wild worldly adventures.[/quote]

So are you back to bang the Beck drum some more?

Don't worry, a lot of us were wrong on that one.

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[quote=Mattyk;899865]So are you back to bang the Beck drum some more?

Don't worry, a lot of us were wrong on that one.[/quote]

It had a very harmonious tone before they cracked the shell.

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[quote=44Deezel;899837]Motivated? How about more rested? 2 turnovers a game by their own QB is about the worst thing the Defense had to deal with. I'd temper the expectations for RGIIi as a rookie though. There are going to be growing pains.[/quote]

Rest is a minor factor compared to playing with the lead. After all, if 2 extra minutes of playing is already exhausting your players....something is amiss.

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[quote=ethat001;899787][U]2011 Reg Season:[/U]
32nd defense - Green Bay Packers
31st defense - New England Patriots
27th defense - New York Giants
24th defense - New Orleans Saints
13th defense - Washington Redskins

2011 Offenses
1) New Orleans Saints
2) New England Patriots
3) Green Bay Packers
8) New York Giants
16) Washington Redskins

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go"]2011 Defense Rankings[/URL]



Okay, clearly there's always talk about defense winning championships. And defense is clearly important and we need to address this. BUT before we get carried away, [U]our defense was GOOD ENOUGH to compete with the top teams in the league above.[/U]

The more important point is, our offense is traditionally what has lost games. And the risky moves for #1 picks and overpaying WR's -- I believe they were well spent for high risk-high reward franchise QB and #1-2 WR. I would say that RG3-Garcon will do more for our team than the best secondary in the planet. For example, if we became the best defense in the league, we'd give up 8 less points per game. If we became the best offense in the league, we'd score 17 more points per game, much more impact.


* Baltimore, San Francisco and Denver had great defenses, but inevitably collapsed[/quote]

very good point.

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[quote=fanarchist;899839]Are questions like this intended to gauge devotion, and loyalty? And then when you infer that I'm disloyal does my voice lose all volume? Seems like a very domineering approach to human interaction.[/quote]

Lol nothing gets by you does it?

PS

Viva la revolucion!

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[quote=ethat001;899787][U]2011 Reg Season:[/U]
32nd defense - Green Bay Packers
31st defense - New England Patriots
27th defense - New York Giants
24th defense - New Orleans Saints
13th defense - Washington Redskins

2011 Offenses
1) New Orleans Saints
2) New England Patriots
3) Green Bay Packers
8) New York Giants
16) Washington Redskins

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go"]2011 Defense Rankings[/URL]



Okay, clearly there's always talk about defense winning championships. And defense is clearly important and we need to address this. BUT before we get carried away, [U]our defense was GOOD ENOUGH to compete with the top teams in the league above.[/U]

The more important point is, our offense is traditionally what has lost games. And the risky moves for #1 picks and overpaying WR's -- I believe they were well spent for high risk-high reward franchise QB and #1-2 WR. I would say that RG3-Garcon will do more for our team than the best secondary in the planet. For example, if we became the best defense in the league, we'd give up 8 less points per game. If we became the best offense in the league, we'd score 17 more points per game, much more impact.


* Baltimore, San Francisco and Denver had great defenses, but inevitably collapsed[/quote]

Pittsburgh and Houston.

Avg Points per game given up:
Green Bay - 19th
New England - 15th
Giants - 25th
Saints - 13th
Redskins - 21st

And the Giants barely made it, helped out by a certain Dallas Cowboys team.

Despite the fact we gave up fewer yards than them, we did not do better than most of them in giving up points either.

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[quote=ethat001;899787][U]2011 Reg Season:[/U]
32nd defense - Green Bay Packers
31st defense - New England Patriots
27th defense - New York Giants
24th defense - New Orleans Saints
13th defense - Washington Redskins

2011 Offenses
1) New Orleans Saints
2) New England Patriots
3) Green Bay Packers
8) New York Giants
16) Washington Redskins

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go"]2011 Defense Rankings[/URL]



Okay, clearly there's always talk about defense winning championships. And defense is clearly important and we need to address this. BUT before we get carried away, [U]our defense was GOOD ENOUGH to compete with the top teams in the league above.[/U]

The more important point is, our offense is traditionally what has lost games. And the risky moves for #1 picks and overpaying WR's -- I believe they were well spent for high risk-high reward franchise QB and #1-2 WR. I would say that RG3-Garcon will do more for our team than the best secondary in the planet. For example, if we became the best defense in the league, we'd give up 8 less points per game. If we became the best offense in the league, we'd score 17 more points per game, much more impact.


* Baltimore, San Francisco and Denver had great defenses, but inevitably collapsed[/quote]
Detriot , N.O. and GB all had 5,000 plus yards passing , and were 0-3 in the playoffs , just saying . I hope we focus on OL and , yes Defense from here on out .... as I want to put .... Romo , Vick and Eli on the ground very often .