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7th rd Dwayne Frampton WR.

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We need a C,G, and T, not to mention a LB.

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If Offense.
1. Andrew Datko OT - FSU
2. Andrew Datko OT - FSU
3. Andrew Datko OT - FSU
4. Andrew Datko OT - FSU
5. Andrew Datko OT - FSU

If Defense
1. Vontaze Burfict (Captain Insano) - ILB - ASU
2. Vontaze Burfict (Captain Insano) - ILB - ASU
3. Vontaze Burfict (Captain Insano) - ILB - ASU
4. Vontaze Burfict (Captain Insano) - ILB - ASU
5. Vontaze Burfict (Captain Insano) - ILB - ASU

It's like Sofies choice *tear*

Seriously though, tell me if this guy falls to the third round due to injury concerns that you wouldn't want him?

Per PFW:
[QUOTE][B]Upside:[/B]
• Quick out of his stance
• Athletic and light on his feet
• Shuffles, slides and pushes rushers wide
• Places his hands inside and can pop and recoil
• Flexible hips to scoop and seal
• Understands positioning, angles
• Terrific character

[B]Downside:[/B]
• Underdeveloped body
• Limited core strength (not stout to anchor vs. bull rush)
• Outmuscled at the point
• Not explosive on contact
• Lunges and slips off blocks
• Long-term durability is a concern
• Medical issues are serious — has a history of shoulder problems

[B]The Way We See It:[/B]
An underpowered, intelligent, competitive, hardworking technician, Datko is a hunchbacked zone blocker who played left tackle at FSU, but is better suited to play the right side in the pros. Durability is a major concern and will drop draft standing.[/QUOTE]

Also per Scouts Inc:
[QUOTE]"[B]Effective zone blocker[/B] with above average first step-quickness, balance and angles. Gets adequate hand placement and sustains once locked on. Above average body control and can cover up linebackers when works up to the second level. Average drive blocker that can wall off defenders but doesn't generate enough push. Lower body strength appears just average on film. Lunges at times and falls off some blocks. Here again shoulder injury appears to hinder ability to lock out on 2011 film."[/QUOTE]

You know what other Tackle prospect dropped to the third round due to durability concerns and switched from Left to Right Tackle?

[QUOTE]Winston was widely considered one of the best offensive tackles to enter the 2006 NFL Draft. However, an anterior cruciate ligament injury during his junior year made his draft stock drop, and several draft scouting organizations express slight worry over the possible implications of the injury and subsequent surgery on his play. His stock for the draft improved, however, when he ran a 4.93 40 yard dash at the NFL Combine. Also a standout student, Winston graduated in 3 years with above a 3.5 GPA and was a 2005 All-America selection.
[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;899855]Hightower is not signed, is returning from major injury and there are many very good RB's.[/quote]

1-Helu
2-Royster
3-Tristan Davis

I don't know why we'd need one, but we can always get one late in the draft or pick up an UDFA.

I see RT as a must to protect both ends, then start working on the interior.

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[quote=SBXVII;903264]1-Helu
2-Royster
3-Tristan Davis

I don't know why we'd need one, but we can always get one late in the draft or pick up an UDFA.

I see RT as a must to protect both ends, then start working on the interior.[/quote]

[URL="http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/vick-ballard-28/"]Vick Ballard of Mississippi State[/URL] and [URL="http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/edwin-baker-4/"]Edwin Baker of Michigan State[/URL] grade out similarly to Helu. Decent vision, good speed, similar pre-draft grade.

Obviously Shanahan might not be looking for the next Roy Helu exactly but those two seem like candidates.

Other mid-round guys to look out for due to above average vision and one-cut run ability:

[URL="http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/chris-rainey-1/"]Chris Rainey - Florida[/URL]

[URL="http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/ronnie-hillman-13/"]Ronnie Hillman - San Diego State[/URL]

[URL="http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/lennon-creer-5/"]Lennon Creer - Louisiana Tech[/URL]

And the highest rated vision among potential Shanahan Backs

[URL="http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/tauren-poole-28/"]Tauren Poole - Tennessee[/URL]
[quote]Underrated natural instincts as a runner. The more we study him the more impressed we are with his vision and feel. Has a good sense for penetration and knows when to change directions in the backfield. Feels the cutback lane opening and shows consistent ability to exploit it. Is patient and will let his blocks develop, but he's also a decisive runner that always seems to be working to get north. "[/quote]

The following backs all are reported to have very good vision but are considered a risk to go undrafted. All are falling due to durability concerns. Shanahan has picked guys graded in this range before (Royster and Torain)

[URL="http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/jonas-gray-25/"]Jonas Gray - Notre Dame[/URL]

[URL="http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/jeffery-demps-28/"]Jeff Demps - Florida[/URL]

[URL="http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/jewel-hampton-27/"]Jewel Hampton - Southern Illinois[/URL]

[URL="http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/bryce-brown-8/"]Bryce Brown - Kansas State[/URL]

In short anyone from Florida should make us happy as should a certain back from Tennessee.

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[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-Draft-Ranking-the-OT-Class-by-Tiers.html&page=2]NFL Draft: Ranking the OT Class by Tiers | National Football Post[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;903269][url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-Draft-Ranking-the-OT-Class-by-Tiers.html&page=2]NFL Draft: Ranking the OT Class by Tiers | National Football Post[/url][/quote]

Andrew Datko.....Annnnnnndrew DATKO........ Andrew...... Datko.......... .DATTTTTko....... DatkoDatkoDatko

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Terrence Ganaway to replace Hightower would be my choice. The guy is a horse who is deceptively fast and familiar with RGIII.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;903277]Terrence Ganaway to replace Hightower would be my choice. The guy is a horse who is deceptively fast and familiar with RGIII.[/quote]

Doesn't really seem like a Shanahan back. To be one you have to have to be one of the following.

1. Above average vision and anticipation

or

2. Average Vision and antipation with game breaking speed to make up for average vision.

Ganaway appears to have average vision without the gamebreaking speed. Then again thats only going off the Scouts Inc report.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;903272]Andrew Datko.....Annnnnnndrew DATKO........ Andrew...... Datko.......... .DATTTTTko....... DatkoDatkoDatko[/quote]

Why Andrew Datko?

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[quote=Lotus;903280]Why Andrew Datko?[/quote]

Andrew Datkoa, Datkoooooooo ANDREW.....Andrew Datko. DatkoDatkoDatko. ANDREWWWWWW [SIZE="1"]Datko[/SIZE]
[quote]The Way We See It:
An underpowered, intelligent, competitive, hardworking technician, [B]Datko is a hunchbacked zone blocker[/B] who played left tackle at FSU, but is better suited to play the right side in the pros. Durability is a major concern and will drop draft standing.[/quote]


[quote]"[B]Effective zone blocker [/B]with above average first step-quickness, balance and angles. Gets adequate hand placement and sustains once locked on. Above average body control and can cover up linebackers when works up to the second level. Average drive blocker that can wall off defenders but doesn't generate enough push. Lower body strength appears just average on film. Lunges at times and falls off some blocks. Here again shoulder injury appears to hinder ability to lock out on 2011 film."
[/quote]


[quote]In run blocking, [B]Datko is quick off the snap and initially has good pad level and leverage[/B]; however, he needs to further develop the strength in his lower body as he does not maintain the low level and begins to raise up on his blocks. He has excellent hand placement (inside the numbers), [B]progresses well to the second level and is best on the move blocking secondary targets.
[/B][/quote]

[quote]Really plus size with long arms…quick feet…plays with good leverage most of the time…athletic and does a good job of mirroring in pass protection…[B]does a good job of cut blocking[/B]…[B]gets to the second level well[/B]…is considered to be a player with a great work ethic…quick off the snap..intelligent player who [B]understands the angles of blocking[/B]…[/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;903272]Andrew Datko.....Annnnnnndrew DATKO........ Andrew...... Datko.......... .DATTTTTko....... DatkoDatkoDatko[/quote]

Like the guy to, but you have to remember shoulder surgery..........shhhhhhoulder SURGERY...................Shoulder...........SURGERy..............sHoULder SUrgerY.

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He sounds good to me, sign him up.

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[quote=GTripp0012;903269][url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-Draft-Ranking-the-OT-Class-by-Tiers.html&page=2]NFL Draft: Ranking the OT Class by Tiers | National Football Post[/url][/quote]

Mitchell Schwartz: California 6-6, 318 my choice for RT. He's higher on this board than any others Ive seen. Looks like lotta people starting to take notice.

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[quote=Lotus;899875]If somehow we could package our third and one of our fourths to get him, I would move into the second to take OT Mike Adams. He could start quickly at RT.

Barring that unlikely scenario, I'd take:
3rd Bobby Massie OT Ole Miss - has Shanny speed and athleticism
4th Brandon Taylor SS LSU - a little undersized but has good speed
4th Audie Cole ILB NC State - good size, instincts, and athleticism
5th Danny Coale WR VA Tech - speedy, capable, and can add to our stable of Tech wideouts now that Royal has spurned us[/quote]

I think Coale will become a good role player. Could do worse.

I'm all for OT or OG in the 3rd round, also I think there's a chance lamichael James may fall that far so maybe we could scoop him up

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;903290]Like the guy to, but you have to remember shoulder surgery..........shhhhhhoulder SURGERY...................Shoulder...........SURGERy..............sHoULder SUrgerY.[/quote]

Shou.....Shoulllll......emmmm DATKO......DatkoDatkoDatko.

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I was impressed with Tyler Polumbus at RT last season. He's underrated and only gave up 3 sacks last season after filling in for Jammal Brown. His game needs work and he's still young. Willie Smith has been mentioned playing right tackle in the future but he only played on the right side.

While I wouldn't be surprised if the Redskins draft a right tackle, they may as well consider that they already have a few. Speaking of Brown, he's still getting healthy and the Redskins might keep him. But Polumbus, while not pro bowl caliber, is a solid fill in.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;903300]I was impressed with Tyler Polumbus at RT last season. He's underrated and only gave up 3 sacks last season after filling in for Jammal Brown. His game needs work and he's still young. Willie Smith has been mentioned playing right tackle in the future but he only played on the right side.

While I wouldn't be surprised if the Redskins draft a right tackle, they may as well consider that they already have a few. Speaking of Brown, he's still getting healthy and the Redskins might keep him. But Polumbus, while not pro bowl caliber, is a solid fill in.[/quote]

I don't know about Brown. Shanahan said he was going to need the whole offseason just to get his strength back and while Polumbus and Smith seem nice I can't help but think we went down this same road with Heyer and Wade.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;903295]I'm all for OT or OG in the 3rd round, also I think there's a chance lamichael James may fall that far so maybe we could scoop him up[/quote]

LaMichael James in the 3rd Round would be a steal. We need playmakers and James has the potential to become an electric playmaker as a 3rd down back and return man.

I would be absolutely ecstatic if we were able to get RGIII in the 1st, James in the 3rd, and Ryan Broyles in the 4th.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;903301]I don't know about Brown. Shanahan said he was going to need the whole offseason just to get his strength back and [B]while Polumbus and Smith seem nice I can't help but think we went down this same road with Heyer and Wade.[/B][/quote]

I feel the same. I hope to be proven wrong.

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With the addition of RGIII, P. Garcon and J. Morgan to R. Helu , F. Cheeba Davis, S. Moss, Darryl Young, C. Cooley, J. L. Hankerson and Gaffney our offense is going to see a major improvement. Other youngsters like a Logan Paulsen and Aldrick Robinson could also step up and contribute big with another year of experience and familiarity of the offense. Rookie Jarvis Jenkins our best defensive lineman in camp and preseason by far last year will be back and make his Redskins splash. J. Brown could also surprise. Winning does strange things like that.

The reason I say all of this is we do not need to make a desperation move like giving multiple draft picks to get into second round. Unless the price is dirt cheap, I say no. Draft BPA regardless of position or trade back.
We finally have a decent scouting dept and a GM that seems know how to organize a draft.
Let him do his thing with the picks we have.

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Since we had a full (plus) draft class last year to build young depth and picked up some starters along the way (although I'm not sold on Helu, Royster Paul or Gomes as long term starters-rather I think they'll be our top role players) if an opportunity presents itself to get an immediate impact player in the 2nd round at a position of need we should package our 3rd and one of the 4ths to get him. If an impact T, DB, WR or yes RB were to be available mid 2nd round and we can get back into the 2nd without impacting future drafts I'd say do it.

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Have any insiders heard who our FO is interested in? I assume we'll be targetting the same positions in the draft that we did in free agency, except maybe WR. We haven't improved OL or CB, and there's no way Meriweather & Griffin are long term solutions at safety. So, we'll probably target OL, CB, and S. The OL class is deep, so I hope we can some away with one of these guys if not two:

[B]Tackle[/B]

Nate Potter, Boise State: [I]He is a poor man's version of former Boston College LT Anthony Castonzo, as he has the talent to earn a starting job in more of a zone scheme, but is going to need a year or two before he's ready physically to mature into the player he's capable of becoming.[/I]

Mitchell Schwartz, Cal: [I]Displays solid athletic ability, but looks better suited to play on the right side in the NFL vs. less speed. A nice early/mid round type draft pick who should eventually fight for playing time.[/I]

Andrew Datko, FSU: [I]He's a solid athlete who can bend, re-direct and block in space. However, he's had some struggles with power when trying to stay engaged and hasn't been able to stay healthy throughout his career. Nevertheless, in a weak offensive tackle class, he's one of the few prospects that possess the skill set to start in the NFL[/I]

[B]Guard[/B]

Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin: [I]A tough, strong in-line guy who you can run behind and also has some coordination on the move. Not as effective in the pass game, but can mature into an average NFL pass blocker if he learns to get off the ball more consistently. Looks like a gritty type starter early on in his NFL career to me.[/I]

Brandon Washington, The U: [I]The talent is there for this guy to mature into a guard you can win with consistently inside at the next level. He needs to improve his pad level in the in-line game and tighten up his footwork in all areas. However, with a year of seasoning he certainly should mature into an above-average guard in the NFL with the talent to start at right[/I]

The CB class is okay. I hope we get Brandon Boykin from Georgia for his versatility. He could return kicks and is a playmaker.

The safety class is really weak this year. That's why I wish we would've gone after a guy like Reggie Nelson.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;903299]Shou.....Shoulllll......emmmm DATKO......DatkoDatkoDatko.[/quote]

:laughing-

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;903327]LaMichael James in the 3rd Round would be a steal. We need playmakers and James has the potential to become an electric playmaker as a 3rd down back and return man.

I would be absolutely ecstatic if we were able to get RGIII in the 1st, [B]James in the 3rd, and Ryan Broyles in the 4th[/B].[/quote]

That would be incredible. If we did that we would be expecting alot of players to step up on the OL & DB field IMO.

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[quote=Chico23231;903293]Mitchell Schwartz: California 6-6, 318 my choice for RT. He's higher on this board than any others Ive seen. Looks like lotta people starting to take notice.[/quote]

Read about this guy would be nice I believe rated to go in the 3rd round.

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[quote=theJBexperience;903358]The safety class is really weak this year. That's why I wish we would've gone after a guy like Reggie Nelson.[/quote]

I keep reading that. Yet there are some safeties in this class who I really like who we might have a chance to draft, if we want one of them.

Markelle Martin: Great range, good tackler.
Brandon Taylor: Very underrated IMO. Made some key plays for his team.
Harrison Smith: Solid all-around safety with good size.

I think we might be able to get one of these players in Round 3, although I'd expect the Skins to be looking for a playmaker on offense at that point. Perhaps one of them will fall to us in the 4th Round.

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I would have no objection to LaMichael James with our 3rd round pick.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;903374]I keep reading that. Yet there are some safeties in this class who I really like who we might have a chance to draft, if we want one of them.

Markelle Martin: Great range, good tackler.
Brandon Taylor: Very underrated IMO. Made some key plays for his team.
Harrison Smith: Solid all-around safety with good size.

I think we might be able to get one of these players in Round 3, although I'd expect the Skins to be looking for a playmaker on offense at that point. Perhaps one of them will fall to us in the 4th Round.[/quote]

3rd is where I'm hoping to draft Boykin, if he drops. Of course, that is Mitchell Schwartz territory too, but I think Nate Potter will be there in the 4th.

BTW What happened to Harrison Smith this season? He went from 7 picks to zilch? I'd still be surprised if he's there in the third round when we pick.

It seems like a lot of folks want a big-time playmaker on offense. I feel like Helu has that potential. What about Garcon? Isn't he a big YAC guy? Deep threat? Not saying we don't need a home run hitter, but I'd rather spend our early picks on OL and secondary, hoping that some of our recent acquisitions will pan out.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;903396]I would have no objection to LaMichael James with our 3rd round pick.[/quote]

I would. We have a lot of other needs that are much more pressing than RB where we are pretty well off.

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^ Playmaker, he is one and would be great value in the 3rd round.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;903396]I would have no objection to LaMichael James with our 3rd round pick.[/quote]

I bet he goes to Detroit in the second round. They've been looking for a back like him for a while. Jahvid Best hasn't worked out because of concussions. LaMichael has already been there for a workout. They'll reach for him come draft day. Could you imagine that offense with him? Quite a check down for Stafford.

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He'd be our 3rd down RB, Kick Returner and Punt Returner. I love Helu and Royster but wouldn't cry at James being a Redskin.

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[QUOTE=theJBexperience;903440]I bet he goes to Detroit in the second round. They've been looking for a back like him for a while. Jahvid Best hasn't worked out because of concussions. LaMichael has already been there for a workout. They'll reach for him come draft day. Could you imagine that offense with him? Quite a check down for Stafford.[/QUOTE]



Imagine him rounding out our RB by committee.

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i think a rb w our 3rd is a poor use of the pick. if a rb is chosen, i'd rather it be w the last pick we have. but i don't want any to be drafted.

i wouldn't mind if we only drafted ol and db, wouldn't mind at all

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[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;899861]Our needs are CB, FS, RT, G depth, ILB depth, Slot WR, 3 string RB, Backup QB[/QUOTE

I think the order of teams for the Skins are S, RT, G, Depth at LB, CB. We can get a RB off the scrap heap and if all else fails sign Hightower to a one year deal and the cut him if he does look good in the preseason.

I really don't see what everyone sees in him. Yes he was good in the preseason but he only average 64.2 yards a game in 5 regular season starts. The young guns can do that.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;903451]Imagine him rounding out our RB by committee.[/quote]

Like I said before, I think him and Helu are comparable. Sure, LaMichael James was more electric in college, but Oregon's offense would spread out a DEF so there were always good lanes for him and isn't he smaller too? Not sure he'll be as dynamic without a good OL. I for one, was really tired of our RBs not having any running lanes. Way too many 1 yard carries. Where LaMichael would have to be drafted, if he dropped, would be in the third round and I'd like to see us pick a starting calibre RT, maybe CB if Boykin Drops. Three RBs fighting over touches could render them all pretty ineffective too.

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I looked at our situation a little closer and found that my initial assessment of what to do might not be the smartest idea.
Before I say what I am nearly convinced we are going to do (if not trades...but I assume there will be trades....) I want to say some points that lead me to my conclusion.
*Players we unsuccessfully looked to replace this offseason- Brown, Lichtensteiger
*Players that will not be back after this year-Hall, Moss, Fletcher (I know he's not signed yet)
*Players that we are not sold on to start-Merriweather, SS position, Barnes
*Our OLB depth is non-existent

-2013 free agency draft class sucks at ILB, G, T, but is decent at S at CB

I say that ILB is our number one priority in this draft, and then any offensive linemen is our number two. CB, S, and OLB are going to bring up the rear.

Our positions of need are not in that priority as we will have brown and if we want him, lichtensteiger next year, but our only corner we are confident in is Wilson, we know we don't like our SS situation, and our FS (Merriweather) is risky at best. But! we will be unable to upgrade at T/G/ILB next offseason while it seems like it should be very attainable to get fillers at DB. Because we have no picks until the 3rd round, I do not think our draft picks will have a big impact this year (with the possibility of an ILB or possibly a SS if we find good value), so this is a draft more for the future than anything.

I'd say we are certainly drafting an ILB with one of our first two picks this year, and with the other pick I'd guess a lineman but am leaving open the possibility of a Safety because although I want to draft for the future, Shanny might want Safety help now.

I'd guess that with our first 4 picks 4/5 of the positions I am going to mention will be picked. ILB, G/T, S, CB, versatile/athletic LB who we are going to switch between two positions.

There are only three ways (assuming no trades) I see me getting this wrong. Those are if we draft 2 O-linemen in the first 4 picks, if Shanny decides to draft a RB (he loves that...but I have a feeling he won't this draft), or if Fred Davis doesn't seem to want to sign an extension with us (but I think he wants to) we could very likely get a TE.

[B][U][I]Really to sum all this up.[/I][/U][/B] I see the positions in free agency that we signed players to long term deals on as us crossing that position off the draft board. The positions that we looked to attain anyone but didn't land anyone long term (ILB, DB, OL) are the positions I think we will draft. Our non-existant OLB depth just means that we almost have to draft someone. I normally do not like targeting positions in the draft, but when you have as little talent and few draft picks as we do, you need to pick your picks based off of what we are not able to get in free agency.

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I believe that we will work the board in this draft. I say the plan going in will be to trade down. Probably from our top pick in the 3rd to the middle of the 3rd for a 5th.

That being said, Shanny seems to covet players that he wants. If someone that he thinks is amazing value at a position of need value slips, I see shanny deviating from his original plan and trading up to get that player.

I'd say odds are 60% we work the board down in the beginning and/or up later; 20% we move up past our first pick, 20% we move down and then stay put.