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[quote=CRedskinsRule;906215]I am as on board with Griffin as anyone here, but I was disappointed in the Gruden Camp special. I was hoping for some whiteboard time, or some good discussion of pro-qb transitions. Instead, we learned Gruden likes socks, and doesn't like the "sniffer". Certainly, Griffin held his own, but it was all softball lobs in my mind.

Now I missed the Luck special, and haven't watched many overall, so maybe that is the nature of the show, I just expected it to be more qb stuff, less "pull the string"...[/quote]

He seemed to take it easy on him. Not sure why. Or perhaps he's just [I]that[/I] impressed with him, I dunno.

I haven't seen the whole Luck espisode yet either to compare. Can anyone compare the two?

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[quote=Mattyk;906245]He seemed to take it easy on him. Not sure why. Or perhaps he's just [I]that[/I] impressed with him, I dunno.

I haven't seen the whole Luck espisode yet either to compare. Can anyone compare the two?[/quote]


I watched both.

Gruden seemed to stick it to Luck a little more with tough questions. Asking him what he do if Manning told him he kick his ass and stuff like that. Also Luck did some play break down with the banana stuff.

He brought up the Heisman with both of them and how they felt when RGIII was called. Also asked them how much it mattered to them to be the number one pick.

As far as both of them throwing the ball it was all fluff but fun to watch.

Overall I say the Luck interview was more in depth about football skills where the RGIII interview more showcased his personality.,

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;906215]I am as on board with Griffin as anyone here, but I was disappointed in the Gruden Camp special. I was hoping for some whiteboard time, or some good discussion of pro-qb transitions. Instead, we learned Gruden likes socks, and doesn't like the "sniffer". Certainly, Griffin held his own, but it was all softball lobs in my mind.

Now I missed the Luck special, and haven't watched many overall, so maybe that is the nature of the show, I just expected it to be more qb stuff, less "pull the string"...[/quote]

I kinda agree. It was my first time watching Gruden's QB Camp, so I'm not sure if that's the norm, but it wasn't really all that. I felt they would go over more football specific type stuff, and instead they spent way too much time covering things like his socks, and how he felt at the Heisman ceremony, etc. I would've loved to see him test his memory skills again, or something along those lines.

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Here is the full show of the Gruden's Camp RG3

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/4/3/2922197/robert-griffin-iii-on-grudens-qb-camp-video-of-full-show]Robert Griffin III on Gruden's QB Camp (VIDEO of Full Show) - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=mooby;906257]I kinda agree. It was my first time watching Gruden's QB Camp, so I'm not sure if that's the norm, but it wasn't really all that. I felt they would go over more football specific type stuff, and instead they spent way too much time covering things like his socks, and how he felt at the Heisman ceremony, etc. I would've loved to see him test his memory skills again, or something along those lines.[/quote]

I watched pretty much everyone of them since they started and I guess it depends on his mood for that interview.

I beleive he was pretty tough with Jimmy Clausen the one year if my memory serves me right. I am sure Gruden has his favorites all ready in his head.

I am also willing to bet the 32 NFL teams put very little weight into that show. IT is really just for us the fans.

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[quote=Mattyk;906245]He seemed to take it easy on him. Not sure why. Or perhaps he's just [I]that[/I] impressed with him, I dunno.

I haven't seen the whole Luck espisode yet either to compare. Can anyone compare the two?[/quote]

I watched both last night and the Luck show was a lot better. Gruden grilled him on a bad read he made in the USC game. then he had him on the whiteboard diagramming plays and asking him to draw and explain a bunch of routes for him. The Luck show was great...couldn't get enough.

The RG3 show by comparison was a bunch of fluff...socks and heisman talk. I kept waiting for Gruden to say now lets get down to business and it never happened. No film breakdown, no whiteboard...nothing. 10 minutes on that goofy goal line sneak? Another segment showing him celebrate TD passes?

I love these gruden shows and it just figures that the worst ever episode would be for the QB the Redskins are going to draft...wtf

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If you watch the full video I added you will see Gruden does break down film with RG3. He even talks about bad goal line formations. Talks about where he's reading on the field. Talks about tempo, speed, knowing what and where everyone is on the field. Running plays when the defense is not set or ready. How RG3 was taught to watch the defense and if they are trying to get off the field he should run a quick play. etc. etc.

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/4/3/2922197/robert-griffin-iii-on-grudens-qb-camp-video-of-full-show]Robert Griffin III on Gruden's QB Camp (VIDEO of Full Show) - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=celts32;906276]I watched both last night and the Luck show was a lot better. Gruden grilled him on a bad read he made in the USC game. then he had him on the whiteboard diagramming plays and asking him to draw and explain a bunch of routes for him. The Luck show was great...couldn't get enough.

The RG3 show by comparison was a bunch of fluff...socks and heisman talk. I kept waiting for Gruden to say now lets get down to business and it never happened. No film breakdown, no whiteboard...nothing. 10 minutes on that goofy goal line sneak? Another segment showing him celebrate TD passes?

I love these gruden shows and it just figures that the worst ever episode would be for the QB the Redskins are going to draft...wtf[/quote]

I wouldn't call it the worst ever, far from it.

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[quote=SBXVII;906278]If you watch the full video I added you will see Gruden does break down film with RG3. He even talks about bad goal line formations. Talks about where he's reading on the field. Talks about tempo, speed, knowing what and where everyone is on the field. Running plays when the defense is not set or ready. How RG3 was taught to watch the defense and if they are trying to get off the field he should run a quick play. etc. etc.

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/4/3/2922197/robert-griffin-iii-on-grudens-qb-camp-video-of-full-show]Robert Griffin III on Gruden's QB Camp (VIDEO of Full Show) - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

Are you saying this is a longer version then the half hour one that was on last night?

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[quote=Mattyk;906280]I wouldn't call it the worst ever, far from it.[/quote]

Well I enjoyed the half hour simply because it was our QB but compared to the other Gruden Camp shows it didn't have a lot of meat to it. The Luck show was way better.

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[quote=SBXVII;906278]If you watch the full video I added you will see Gruden does break down film with RG3. He even talks about bad goal line formations. Talks about where he's reading on the field. Talks about tempo, speed, knowing what and where everyone is on the field. Running plays when the defense is not set or ready. How RG3 was taught to watch the defense and if they are trying to get off the field he should run a quick play. etc. etc.

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/4/3/2922197/robert-griffin-iii-on-grudens-qb-camp-video-of-full-show]Robert Griffin III on Gruden's QB Camp (VIDEO of Full Show) - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

I saw the parts you are talking about. Specifically on running plays when the D is not ready was interesting, and left me hoping that the Skins can run at the tempo he was talking about. The breakdown of the goalline was really not that interesting to me, again 4 times asking him why he was being pushed by the fullback. Like Celts said Gruden went over the whiteboard with Luck, I expected something about that on the show. Maybe they just felt the one video from the combine already showed Griffin at the whiteboard, I don't know... Just came off far less about being a pro qb, and more about how Gruden loves him. Maybe the socks were a bribe to keep Gruden from airing less flattering footage

SOCKGATE

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[quote=Mattyk;906280]I wouldn't call it the worst ever, far from it.[/quote]

I don't know, I saw some black helicopters circling the practice field.

Didn't you?? DIDN'T YOU!!!

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[quote=celts32;906281]Are you saying this is a longer version then the half hour one that was on last night?[/quote]

Um, no. CultBrennen posted this one....

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7760128&categoryid=2378529]Gruden Camp: RG3 - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

Which was the only one I had to watch. I didn't watch it last night so I'm resorting to seeing it after the fact. I'm refering to the fact that the video I posted has more in it then this video does especially at the beginning.

However, if you are commenting that Gruden didn't go out of his way to ridicule RG3 or break down tons of film with him I guess you'd be correct. But the way some people are posting one would get the impression there was no film break down and Gruden simply fluffed the whole show.

What I've noticed of Gruden especially from last yr is he fluffs with the top ranked QB's then he takes the 2nd tier and later and really has them breaking down film. I would assume its because everyone kinda knows what they are getting in Luck and RG3, it's the rest of the pack that might need to establish their knowledge, and sell themselves to teams.

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I have probably already made a bigger deal out of it then it's worth and i will let it go now but the Luck show was mostly nuts and bolts football talk and the RG3 show was mostly fluff. I enjoyed it anyway but I expect and usually get more from the Gruden QB Camp shows...

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As SS said, it would be interesting to see what was left out.

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[quote=celts32;906303]I have probably already made a bigger deal out of it then it's worth and i will let it go now but the Luck show was mostly nuts and bolts football talk and the RG3 show was mostly fluff. I enjoyed it anyway but I expect and usually get more from the Gruden QB Camp shows...[/quote]

I didn't see any of the shows so you might be correct. But... what was he going to talk about with Luck? I think RG3 has much more about him. Maybe Gruden does like RG3. All the better for the fans who hate Shanahan and Co. knowing that possibly their next HC loves RG3. lol.

Honestly I'm coming around on RG3 but I was rooting for the team to take Weeden. As silly as it sounds. I just didn't think the team would give up the draft picks to move up. RG3 is a bright kid, smart, has good arm strength, and adds the mobility to the package which will obviously help out on the roll outs.

I just hope some fans hopes are not dashed with the Colts taking RG3. lol.

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[quote=Mattyk;906306]As SS said, it would be interesting to see what was left out.[/quote]

or how many retakes they had to do on any specific topic. lol.

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I was a little leery when most of the opening footage was of Griffin running...

Then when I saw the rest, it made me agree with CRed and Celts that it was a letdown.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;906215]I am as on board with Griffin as anyone here, but I was disappointed in the Gruden Camp special. I was hoping for some whiteboard time, or some good discussion of pro-qb transitions. Instead, we learned Gruden likes socks, and doesn't like the "sniffer". Certainly, Griffin held his own, but it was all softball lobs in my mind.

Now I missed the Luck special, and haven't watched many overall, so maybe that is the nature of the show, I just expected it to be more qb stuff, less "pull the string"...[/quote]

Gotta agree with you. I was really disappointed they didn't go to the board or more film of him throwing. For example, he didn't ask about his pick at the goal line and another one he threw in the Alamo Bowl. I wish they would have done more of what he's going to project to at the next level rather than that sniffer garbage and the celebrations. I like the socks thing since that's his signature.

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What football discussion there was seem to focus on RGIII as a runner and how the option game would transpose to the pro level. Very little about passing. I like watching how RGIII handles himself but, Chucky is generally just annoying to me and this show did nothing to change my general perception of him.

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I admit I was intrigued thinking about RG3 running the option, pitching it to Helu.

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Having said all that, I did like the throwing part, especially when he put it spot on in the endzone.

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[quote=mredskins;906254]I watched both.

Gruden seemed to stick it to Luck a little more with tough questions. Asking him what he do if Manning told him he kick his ass and stuff like that. Also Luck did some play break down with the banana stuff.

He brought up the Heisman with both of them and how they felt when RGIII was called. Also asked them how much it mattered to them to be the number one pick.

As far as both of them throwing the ball it was all fluff but fun to watch.

[B]Overall I say the Luck interview was more in depth about football skills where the RGIII interview more showcased his personality[/B].,[/quote]


Agree 100%. Would of loved to have seen the Whiteboard with RG3.

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[quote=Mattyk;906347]I admit I was intrigued thinking about RG3 running the option, pitching it to Helu.[/quote]

Yeah that was great stuff. I was more intrigued with him saying that he's fine keeping it and taking it up the middle. I'm not sure I want him doing that but the potential versatility of our offense is going to be scary. I just hope the Shanahan's let this kid do his thing.

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[quote=celts32;906276]I watched both last night and the Luck show was a lot better. Gruden grilled him on a bad read he made in the USC game. then he had him on the whiteboard diagramming plays and asking him to draw and explain a bunch of routes for him. The Luck show was great...couldn't get enough.

The RG3 show by comparison was a bunch of fluff...socks and heisman talk. I kept waiting for Gruden to say now lets get down to business and it never happened. No film breakdown, no whiteboard...nothing. 10 minutes on that goofy goal line sneak? Another segment showing him celebrate TD passes?

I love these gruden shows and it just figures that the worst ever episode would be for the QB the Redskins are going to draft...wtf[/quote]

I wouldn't worry about that. Remember Cam Newton's segment last year? I was thinking..."biggest bust of all time!" Well I was dead wrong on that one. Griffin is a better passer than Newton and was in more of a passing offense. I don't need to see any chalk stuff. He's a smart kid who knows his stuff and will work hard at his craft.

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[quote=skinsfan69;906516]I wouldn't worry about that. Remember Cam Newton's segment last year? I was thinking..."biggest bust of all time!" Well I was dead wrong on that one. Griffin is a better passer than Newton and was in more of a passing offense. I don't need to see any chalk stuff. He's a smart kid who knows his stuff and will work hard at his craft.[/quote]

I think you misunderstood my post. I have zero concerns with RG3. I just think Gruden did a bad job. I didn't need to see griffin do anything, just would have enjoyed watching him do his thing on the whiteboard.

Many "experts " said cam would be a bust and couldn't make the NFL throws.. well they were wrong . It's really a crap shoot and I'm hoping Griffin becomes that franchise type of a Qb but again it's 50/50

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[quote=celts32;906601]I think you misunderstood my post. I have zero concerns with RG3. I just think Gruden did a bad job. I didn't need to see griffin do anything, just would have enjoyed watching him do his thing on the whiteboard.[/quote]

I agree! You probably saw this but just in case you didn't. [url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d82742179/RGIII-shows-his-smarts]NFL Videos: RGIII shows his smarts[/url]

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So as Smootsmack said, much more was shot than shown. In addition it looks like we will get to see RGIII grilled on his X's and O's:

[quote]I reached out to Monday Night Football producer Jay Rothman, who was happy to explain that they collect more than five hours of tape for each of these shows and must, of course, cut that down to the most compelling possible 22 or 23 minutes (to account for the commercials).

...

The important thing to remember is that Griffin was put through the same X-and-O paces by Gruden as Luck was. [B]That stuff just didn't make it on-air. But if you really want to see it, you will get your chance.[/B]

Rothman told me that Gruden occasionally brings in a guest when he feels it's appropriate to the subject, and he invited former NFL quarterback (and Heisman Trophy winner and No. 1 pick) Vinny Testaverde in for the chalkboard portion of his time with Griffin. The producers are in the process of editing that portion of the session -- Griffin being grilled on Xs and Os by Gruden and Testaverde -- to air on a future edition of "NFL Live." So at some point in the future (I'll try my best to let you know when), you will be able to see that portion of Griffin's time with Gruden, if you're hungry for more. [/quote]

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/37893/more-thoughts-on-rg3-and-gruden-camp]More thoughts on RG3 and Gruden camp - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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Why don't they make these shows an hour long, at least for the big dogs like Luck and Griffin? With 5 hours of tape I'm sure they can find a good 45 minutes to show.

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[quote=Mattyk;907219]Why don't they make these shows an hour long, at least for the big dogs like Luck and Griffin? With 5 hours of tape I'm sure they can find a good 45 minutes to show.[/quote]

I had actually figured they were an hour, and when I was coming home to watch Luck's last week, I ended up missing what I thought was the first half hour. When I turned the channel on, Gruden was wrapping it up and the credits were rolling. Boy, I was a bit peeved.

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[quote=Mattyk;907219]Why don't they make these shows an hour long, at least for the big dogs like Luck and Griffin? With 5 hours of tape I'm sure they can find a good 45 minutes to show.[/quote]

Yeah exactly. They don't put all the X-O stuff in the show, but they make sure to show you that RG3 has Great socks!

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[quote=Mattyk;907219]Why don't they make these shows an hour long, at least for the big dogs like Luck and Griffin? With 5 hours of tape I'm sure they can find a good 45 minutes to show.[/quote]

I'll ask. But I know that from personal experience we generally tried to have half-hour shows because it was easier to slot in repeats of 30 minute shows in an already tight schedule with all the live programming

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[QUOTE]The Luck and Griffin ones were just the first two to air. They don't want each of them to feel exactly the same.

"In the case of RG3, he had such a great personality, the stuff he was giving us was compelling," Rothman said. "Each of the shows has its own personality and feel, and I think at the end of the RG3 one, fans got a sense of what the kid was all about. In the body of the storytelling, you get a sense of the kid -- his personality, his smarts, all of that." [/QUOTE]

With all due respect to Mr.Rothman but if that's what thinks football fans want then they should find a football guy to produce the Gruden series.

We watch specifically to see the X's and O's.
You can make each episode different in other ways but the X's and O's portion is critical and I doubt anyone would complain that 'oh man they always do the X's and O's portion'.

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I found the RG3 episode to be entertaining nonetheless.

More X's and O's would have been nice, but the lack of it didn't ruin it for me.

Not everyone tuning in is a hardcore fan.

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[quote=Mattyk;907237]I found the RG3 episode to be entertaining nonetheless.

More X's and O's would have been nice, but the lack of it didn't ruin it for me.

Not everyone tuning in is a hardcore fan.[/quote]

Not everyone is a diehard but that particular show was supposed to be more of a serious x & o football show. At least I always thought it was anyway. I enjoyed it also just wanted the other stuff to Regardless I guess my beef was not with gruden but with whoever was in charge of producing the show.

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The Weeden show was really good I thought.

[QUOTE=celts32;907403]Not everyone is a diehard but that particular show was supposed to be more of a serious x & o football show. At least I always thought it was anyway. I enjoyed it also just wanted the other stuff to Regardless I guess my beef was not with gruden but with whoever was in charge of producing the show.[/QUOTE]

I thin 30 minutes isn't long enough. I'd like to see the show be pushed to an hour. A lot more tape could be aired that way instead of airing only the finer points.

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My dvr recorded Luck's episode the other night, but the soccer game went on for too long and it cut the show to 15 minutes. Still felt like it was 15 minutes of more football related stuff than RG3's show though, even though there was no mention of Spider Y 3 Banana.

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[quote=mooby;907435]My dvr recorded Luck's episode the other night, but the soccer game went on for too long and it cut the show to 15 minutes. Still felt like it was 15 minutes of more football related stuff than RG3's show though, even though there was no mention of Spider Y 3 Banana.[/quote]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAiOJ0wtoo&list=FLRse9Wa7l2Ny3PJDALL-u-A&index=2&feature=plpp_video]Gruden's QB Camp: Andrew Luck (FULL)-Part 1 HD - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JorNgZIxjyE&list=FLRse9Wa7l2Ny3PJDALL-u-A&index=1&feature=plpp_video]Gruden's QB Camp- Andrew Luck (FULL)-Part 2 HD - YouTube[/ame]