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Donovan McNabb feels that Robert Griffin III will come up short in Mike Shanahan's offense, similar to McNabb's passes.[/quote]

I think Mcnabb is spouting sour grapes with a bit of the truth thrown in there.
When I watch that video Im impressed with Mcnabbs play in that game.He was under constant heavy pass rush,he scrambled like the Mcnabb of old,he had at least 6 drops of very catchable balls,he did not look washed up at all to me in this game

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McNabb basically said Shanahan has failed every QB under him, after Elway. Which is simply not true.

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Dude has been....multiple offended in the last couple of years as the revolving doors of several teams have hit him in the ass. His ego (it appears) can't grasp......how done he is, and has been. I am sure he has several axe (plural?) to grind with those teams who in his eye have treated him shabbily. It must keep his schedule rather full......

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Herm Edwards on M & M basically just completely disagreed with the assessment of Mc.... RG to the Skins.......imagine that.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;905398]I agree with McNabb 110%, even though what he said was in poor taste. They expected him to make the playoffs with one of the weakest offensive rosters in Redskins history. But this horse is dead, McNabb needs to go away now.[/quote]

Any point is null and void the moment he was benched and outperformed by Rex Grossman. REX GROSSMAN!!!




Smoot, I will bribe you to use your contacts to make sure McDummy never gets a job as a analyst at ESPN.

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[quote=NC_Skins;905413]Any point is null and void the moment he was benched and outperformed by Rex Grossman. REX GROSSMAN!!!




Smoot, I will bribe you to use your contacts to make sure McDummy never gets a job as a analyst at ESPN.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure he'll be one either for ESPN or NFL Network

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[quote=SmootSmack;905414]I'm pretty sure he'll be one either for ESPN or NFL Network[/quote]

Hope it's NFL network. I would stop watching ESPN if it means me having to hear that dumbass on a regular.

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[quote=GTripp0012;905379]It was that one. And I think that's a really good way of stating it. The Eagles took a big risk putting McNabb in the division, and giving him to a coach with the reputation of Mike Shanahan.

Philadelphia had serious offers on the table from Washington and Oakland, but McNabb didn't want to go to Oakland because (at the time) they were a circus.[/quote]


I thought i remembered there being something goofy with McNabb's contract that allowed him to have some say in who he was traded to. Not sure what this is susposed to mean:

[quote]If he were traded, McNabb, who doesn't retain a no-trade clause but does hold the power to decline contract offers, would prefer the [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=min"][COLOR=#0066cc]Minnesota Vikings[/COLOR][/URL], according to a report in The Philadelphia Inquirer, which cited sources close to the situation.[/quote]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5028997]Report: Philadelphia Eagles want draft pick among top 42 in deal with quarterback Donovan McNabb - ESPN[/url]

Interestingly the article notes that Oakland was willing to trade Asomugha, but Philly not wanting it because the asking price was too high; Oakland wanted more then just McNabb.

Regardless of what all this says about our mistake is trading for McNabb, i think it really says a lot about how well run the philly front office is. I hate philly more then any other team, and i know/love that they have never won a superbowl, and that last year blew up on them, but i dont think many of us here would do the things philly did in the last few years very differently, amazingly even in retrospect.

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[quote=NC_Skins;905415]Hope it's NFL network. I would stop watching ESPN if it means me having to hear that dumbass on a regular.[/quote]

Well, from what I hear the alleged offer from NFL Network is more tempting

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So is McNabb by all accounts going to retire?

Something else, what else would you expect McNabb to say? He is going to be done with football pretty soon and by saying something that some people will surely find truth in he is only bolstering his eventual broadcast career. And more importantly mending fences with the eagles. If he came out and spoke highly the Redskins it limits his post career success/tribute in philly.

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[quote=mlmpetert;905419]So is McNabb by all accounts going to retire?[/quote]

He doesn't have a choice in the matter. Nobody wants his sorry scrub ass. You know it's bad when people put in waiver claims for Orton over you. KYLE ORTON for F's sake. This is from QB needy teams. Hell, Houston rather had rolled with a rookie QB than pick him up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;905405]McNabb basically said Shanahan has failed every QB under him, after Elway. Which is simply not true.[/quote]

True statement. Moreover, it is cherry-picking time-wise to artificially start the clock of evaluation after Elway. The example of Elway shows that Shanny can work with an established QB who might be set in his ways...like McNabb.

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[quote=SmootSmack;905417]Well, from what I hear the alleged offer from NFL Network is more tempting[/quote]

that would fit him, the good crop of garbage x-players there.

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[quote=mlmpetert;905419]So is McNabb by all accounts going to retire?

Something else, what else would you expect McNabb to say? He is going to be done with football pretty soon and by saying something that some people will surely find truth in he is only bolstering his eventual broadcast career. And more importantly mending fences with the eagles. If he came out and spoke highly the Redskins it limits his post career success/tribute in philly.[/quote]

He has pretty emphatically said he is not and will not be a backup. So no one is interested in him right now.

As for your 2nd point I don't get it

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Even Deion Sanders thinks McNugget is a joke.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIucaqGiVFg&feature=player_embedded]Deion Sanders laughing at Donovan McNabb - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=GusFrerotte;905377]God damn, this is sort of funny, most of the guys in here loved getting McNabb, now they hate him. Yeah, not saying Donovan was any good, but when we got him a good 80-85% of the guys in here liked the move without asking the same question. Why did Philly jettison his ass to a divisional rival? Or they just were so elated we got a Pro Bowl QB that they just swept it under the rug. McNabb might have touched on a good topic for discussion though. Will the Shannys try to tinker with their system to help RG III flourish or just see if he can make it in their system doing it their way? I think they need to adjust it for him. The franchise paid a steep price in terms of draft picks for this to become another failed project.[/quote]

Not me! I was never in favor with #2 + #3! Never, ever, ever. Philly saw the writing on the wall that Shanahan refused to see until long, long after a 2 & 3 were wasted on that fatefull Easter day!

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[quote=htownskinfan;905403]I think Mcnabb is spouting sour grapes with a bit of the truth thrown in there.
When I watch that video Im impressed with Mcnabbs play in that game.He was under constant heavy pass rush,he scrambled like the Mcnabb of old,he had at least 6 drops of very catchable balls,he did not look washed up at all to me in this game[/quote]

Keep in mind that game he went 7-15 for 39 yards with 1 TD, 1 INT. He was basically Lord Checkdown in that game (way above the rank of Captain).

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[quote=GusFrerotte;905377]God damn, this is sort of funny, [B]most of the guys in here loved getting McNabb, now they hate him.[/B] Yeah, not saying Donovan was any good, but when we got him a good 80-85% of the guys in here liked the move without asking the same question. Why did Philly jettison his ass to a divisional rival? Or they just were so elated we got a Pro Bowl QB that they just swept it under the rug. McNabb might have touched on a good topic for discussion though. Will the Shannys try to tinker with their system to help RG III flourish or just see if he can make it in their system doing it their way? I think they need to adjust it for him. The franchise paid a steep price in terms of draft picks for this to become another failed project.[/quote]
AFTER I got over the shock of bringing in a F..n Eagle, I loved the idea and was certain we could get some Top Shelf QB play for a few years.
........Quickly, it became apparent why Andy let him go.....What I am, Oh sooo.....tired of is his continued....cheap shots at the Redskins organization and coaches in a thinly veiled attempt to cover for his repeated failures over the last couple of years.

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[quote=Hog1;905449]AFTER I got over the shock of bringing in a F..n Eagle, I loved the idea and was certain we could get some Top Shelf QB play for a few years.
........Quickly, it became apparent why Andy let him go.....What I am, Oh sooo.....tired of is his continued....cheap shots at the Redskins organization and coaches in a thinly veiled attempt to cover for his repeated failures over the last couple of years.[/quote]

It's something you see from a lot of Ex-Redskins so I have to believe there's a modicum of truth to it.

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/30/carlos-rogers-didnt-want-to-sign-with-a-sorry-team/"]Carlos Rogers is also doing it currently[/URL]

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You may be right, but then again, how many other teams do you follow closely enough to be aware of such things?
......I can say, I do not. And other than Mc...., off the top of my head, I cannot think of anyone else being......disgruntled with the organization under the current regime.

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I for one will admit I believed bringing McNabb in was instant credibility. Why woulnd't anyone think so? He won a ton of games in philly, probowls, NFC championships, superbowl. I honestly thought it was a fantastic move regardless of the draft picks. McNabb reinvented the QB position in my eyes. I guy that put up ridiculous #'s passing and running, big physical guy.

Now, for what happened when he was here, i thought ego's definitely played a HUGE part in the success. He wanted to do somethings that he thought would help the offense, which as a player I think he has the right to do. Little Shanny wanted to do things his way, understandibly due to the success he had in Houston with that offense. Ultimately you would have liked to see those two put egos aside and just do what was best for the team, but neither wavered, enter Rex Grossman.

To say that RGIII will not have any success is such a dumb ass thing to say. 1st, RGIII will do what the coaches ask, and has no preconceived notions of what plays he should run, or abilities of the team he is on. He is a rookie and his learning of the game and offense will be directly from the Shanny's. Because of McNabbs lack of humility, doesn't mean everyone will fail due to a style of offense.

I really thought McNabb was a better individual that what he has been showing. Guess i thought wrong.

He has shown to be an egocentric ass wipe (sorry if I spelled egocentric wrong)

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[quote=SmootSmack;905438]He has pretty emphatically said he is not and will not be a backup. So no one is interested in him right now.

As for your 2nd point I don't get it[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Unless McNabb has financial issues (which im nearly certain he doesnt, as he was smart w his money) he ‘s right not have any interest in being a backup. Its kind of sad though, considering if his last 2 years were at least average he probably would of had a shot at the HOF.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]In regards to my second point i think McNabb was smart to say what he said. McNabb has usually always said the right thing. Never really bad mouthed anyone but stayed confident in himself at the same time. In a way he reminds me a little of Teddy Bruschi, although Bruschi is a generally likable guy with a lot of personality, while McNabb often comes across bland and un-emotional. But they are both “stand up guys” and never seem to strongly take sides. Well as likable as Teddy is, he is pretty bad as an ESPN analyst, he never says something compelling. McNabb also rarely says anything compelling, but unfortunately he’s also not all that personable.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Furthermore a lot of people agree with what McNabb said. Sure McNabb said it primarly in defense of himself, but he also said it out of concern for Griffin. Wilbon and Kornhieser, both of whom I cant stand but can make compelling arguments and are successful despite any prior athleticism or good looks, have echoed similar concerns with RGIII in DC. I know you are a big KS fan, and one day I hope to be too, but the thing that concerns me the most about getting Griffin (or Luck) is that Kyle might in effect “ruin” him by being inflexible in what he wants Griffin to do. Obviously I hope im wrong and Kyle [I]coaches[/I] to his players strengths. Or maybe it wont matter if Kyle is un-compromising or not, because Griffin is as much of a perfect fit to Kyle’s offense as Chris Simms is to Kyle’s friendship. Either way I think it’s a reasonable conern.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I also think that considering how partial philly fans are to everything, anything McNabb can say that’s derogatory in any sense about the Redskins the better it is for his post career enshrinement with the eagles. If we had a qb like McNabb I would hope to have a continued relationship with him in his post playing career. Fans can dictate that relationship to some extent. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;905271]This just made me think about something...

Did the eagles trade him to us because they knew it would hurt us. ie They knew McNabb was done, or old dog new trick, or big ego or something else?

Or

Did the eagles take a gamble because our offer was so much higher than every other interested team. ie Shanahan/Allen missed what everyone else saw?[/quote]

or

The Eagles had 3 capable QBs decided to trade the QB that would return the greatest compensation.

There was probably little worry about trading a then pro-bowl QB to a terrible team because Reid realized after beating us all the time that we weren't a pro-bowl QB away from being a threat to them.
Mike Shanahan himself later admitted that the team was worse off then he thought when he first took over.

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I should specify that it's not just he won't be a backup. Its that he's not willing to compete for the job, like say David Garrard. If McNabb said that yes he was willing to compete for a job, may the best man win, he'd have gotten some phone calls.

I still don't see why it's so important he have post-career success in Philly. And if anything if he was more successful outside of Philly, I'd think Eagles fans would be more inclined to believe he was good, and not just a product of his football environment.

McNabb has said both Manning and Griffin-about as opposite of QBs as you could imagine (both skills wise and experience wise) are terrible fits for the Redskins. He's also blared Shanahan for Beck's failures last year (as if Beck himself had nothing to do with it and Beck has been a stellar QB throughout his NFL career), says Brian Griese was a failure under Shanahan (even though Griese was better than anyone could have anticipated under Shanahan), called Cutler a loser under Shanahan. It was evident it was and is personal

Why don't we ask McNabb why he didn't more in his career as the #2 overall pick, why he failed with the Vikings, why when he was benched here players barely made a peep over his benching, but when Rex was benched last season there was nearly a mutiny.

I liked the trade when it happened. Because I felt he was a solid veteran QB and would be a strong presence in the locker room. However, I had said even then we needed to also add a young QB to develop and, much to my surprise, I discovered that first summer that McNabb is nothing like what I had believed and not the strong locker room presence we believed, not strong in a positive way at least

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[quote=NC_Skins;905441]Even Deion Sanders thinks McNugget is a joke.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIucaqGiVFg&feature=player_embedded]Deion Sanders laughing at Donovan McNabb - YouTube[/url][/quote]

:lol:
You dont have a job Mr. McNugget because you throw balls into the dirt.

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I for one had reservations on the McNabb signing. I really didn't think it was going to take place and was shocked that it did. A healthy McNabb would have been a good signing but McNabb was still battling his rib issues if hit hard enough and knee issue's. Basically he couldn't run like he used to. That would force him to be a pocket passer which at the time I thought we needed someone more mobile for the roll outs.

When he got signed I held out hope that the team knew what it was doing and that they would work around McNabbs abilities or lack there of. They didn't. They wanted him to do what he did early on in his career and he just was not fast enough anymore. On top of that he obviously had trouble remembering the plays and then wouldn't wear the arm band and get embarrassed. Whatever. He's gone.

The media made fun of him today on the radio, he's talking about how RG3 won't be a good fit? Why cause you were not McNabb? and how he starts running off each QB who has failed at QB.... but fails to mention himself? WTF? lol.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/donovan-mcnabb-is-bitter-at-shanahans-but-does-he-have-a-point/2012/03/29/gIQAu6wwjS_story.html]Donovan McNabb is bitter at Shanahans, but does he have a point? - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=iRepDMV;905470]:lol:
You dont have a job Mr. McNugget because you throw balls into the dirt.[/quote]

Sad to see that he's become a bit of a joke, but what comes around goes around.

Deion sure wasn't holding back there, just laughing right in the dude's face, lol

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The Deon vid........killed me. I laughed more at the guy next to Deon...couldn't stop himself....funny stuff.

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I honestly didn't see anything wrong with McNabb's game during the 13 game stretch when he was the Redskins quarterback in 2010. His QB rating was undoubtedly the lowest of his career, but it was higher than Grossman's or Beck's was in 2011.

All of that aside, I agree with him on some things. It's hard to say that the Shanahan's are not arrogant. But then again to say that Griffin III won't succeed or is won't be effective because of what he's being asked to do is not true at all. RG3 can probably adept to any type of offense. A young QB with his abilities should be able to play well in any pro style offense or any version of the west coast offense.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;905489][B]I honestly didn't see anything wrong with McNabb's game during the 13 game stretch when he was the Redskins quarterback in 2010.[/B] His QB rating was undoubtedly the lowest of his career, but it was higher than Grossman's or Beck's was in 2011.

All of that aside, I agree with him on some things. It's hard to say that the Shanahan's are not arrogant. But then again to say that Griffin III won't succeed or is won't be effective because of what he's being asked to do is not true at all. RG3 can probably adept to any type of offense. A young QB with his abilities should be able to play well in any pro style offense or any version of the west coast offense.[/quote]

:confused:

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[quote=#56fanatic;905457][B]I for one will admit I believed bringing McNabb in was instant credibility. Why woulnd't anyone think so? He won a ton of games in philly, probowls, NFC championships, superbowl. I honestly thought it was a fantastic move regardless of the draft picks.[/B] McNabb reinvented the QB position in my eyes. I guy that put up ridiculous #'s passing and running, big physical guy.

Now, for what happened when he was here, i thought ego's definitely played a HUGE part in the success. He wanted to do somethings that he thought would help the offense, which as a player I think he has the right to do. Little Shanny wanted to do things his way, understandibly due to the success he had in Houston with that offense. Ultimately you would have liked to see those two put egos aside and just do what was best for the team, but neither wavered, enter Rex Grossman.

To say that RGIII will not have any success is such a dumb ass thing to say. 1st, RGIII will do what the coaches ask, and has no preconceived notions of what plays he should run, or abilities of the team he is on. He is a rookie and his learning of the game and offense will be directly from the Shanny's. Because of McNabbs lack of humility, doesn't mean everyone will fail due to a style of offense.

I really thought McNabb was a better individual that what he has been showing. Guess i thought wrong.

He has shown to be an egocentric ass wipe (sorry if I spelled egocentric wrong)[/quote]


That was my thought process as well. MS & KS probably thought McNutts would be here maybe 3yrs so they wanted him to fit the system he refused. RG3 will fit the system because they will tailor it to fit him IMO.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;905489[[B]B]]I honestly didn't see anything wrong with McNabb's game during the 13 game stretch when he was the Redskins quarterback in 2010[/B[/B]]. His QB rating was undoubtedly the lowest of his career, but it was higher than Grossman's or Beck's was in 2011.

All of that aside, I agree with him on some things. It's hard to say that the Shanahan's are not arrogant. But then again to say that Griffin III won't succeed or is won't be effective because of what he's being asked to do is not true at all. RG3 can probably adept to any type of offense. A young QB with his abilities should be able to play well in any pro style offense or any version of the west coast offense.[/quote]

Want Brand of TV do you own because I need to by it. :)

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;905489]I honestly didn't see anything wrong with McNabb's game during the 13 game stretch when he was the Redskins quarterback in 2010. His QB rating was undoubtedly the lowest of his career, but it was higher than Grossman's or Beck's was in 2011.[/quote]McNabb's on the field play didn't warrant his treatment.
QBs going into a new situation, especially on a bad team, often have less then stellar production in their 1st year.
But, most are given a second year.
The fact that McNabb was done after 13 games suggests to me that there was something more to the story then on the field play.

The McNabb debacle, and it was a debacle, was a failure on both ends.

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I enjoy my ignorance of the details. Either way i defer to the organizations perpective. f0ck Donovan for all the years he beat us in Philly. f0ck Donovan for sucking when he played with us. and f0ck Donovan again for what he said in that interview. At every turn, he shits on me. I'm anti-McNabb. 3 strikes and he's out.

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[quote=30gut;905512]McNabb's on the field play didn't warrant his treatment.
QBs going into a new situation, especially on a bad team, often have less then stellar production in their 1st year.
But, most are given a second year.
The fact that McNabb was done after 13 games suggests to me that there was something more to the story then on the field play.

The McNabb debacle, and it was a debacle, was a failure on both ends.[/quote]

Cop out. McNabb didn't want to put in the work and dedication it took to succeed. Refused to pick up the tempo of the offense, refused to wear a arm band, and had the team in wrong formations at the line of scrimmage.

No, **** that assclown. He got benched for Rex Grossman and Beck. THEN, he turn around and got benched again in Minnesota and demoted to 3rd string AFTER tailoring the offense to suit him. He still couldn't get it done.

McNabb got exactly what he deserved and now I see why Philly fans hated the guy. He's a bum.

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Shanahan's biggest failure was to trade for McNabb, but he seems to be on his way to remedy that. McNabb was a total failure as a QB after he left Philly and that is why he is unemployed.

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[quote=NC_Skins;905524]~angry post[/quote]You can choose to believe whatever you like.
I prefer not to rely on hersey and unsourced 'claims' and 'reports'.
What I know is that McNabb was coming off a pro-bowl season.
I know that McNabb's [I][B]on the field play[/B][/I] didn't warrant his treatment.
QBs going into a new situation, especially on a bad team, often have less then stellar production in their 1st year.
But, most are given a second year.
The fact that McNabb was done after 13 games suggests to me that there was something more to the story then on the field play.

The McNabb debacle, and it was a debacle, was a failure on both ends.

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[quote=30gut;905529]You can choose to believe whatever you like.
I prefer not to rely on hersey and unsourced 'claims' and 'reports'.
What I know is that McNabb was coming off a pro-bowl season.
I know that McNabb's [I][B]on the field play[/B][/I] didn't warrant his treatment.
QBs going into a new situation, especially on a bad team, often have less then stellar production in their 1st year.
But, most are given a second year.
The fact that McNabb was done after 13 games suggests to me that there was something more to the story then on the field play.

The McNabb debacle, and it was a debacle, was a failure on both ends.[/quote]

How come McNabb wasn't given a second year in Minny?

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[quote=Ruhskins;905531]How come McNabb wasn't given a second year in Minny?[/quote]

McNabb was so nice he just decided Christian Ponder deserved a chance, so he benched himself. What a good teammate.