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[quote=mooby;908805]Really? I heard it was 2 years 20 mil 15 mil guaranteed. Where'd you get those numbers from?[/quote]


Way too much! If those numbers are correct the skins have hog tied themselves, and will have to cut Cooley and others to make cap room. They don't even have the rookie pool available if that's the case.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908802]Forget Fletcher's age. I'm glad he got the kind of deal that he was hoping for. [/quote]

1. No thanks. he's 36/37, that's old and makes big money a much bigger risk.

2. I'm not. If those numbers are right that's too much. I'm a fan of the team first.

[QUOTE=whistler;908809]Way too much! If those numbers are correct the skins have hog tied themselves, and will have to cut Cooley and others to make cap room. They don't even have the rookie pool available if that's the case.[/QUOTE]

Note to self: humor does not translate well over the Internet.

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Is there a more dependable middle linebacker in the NFL than London Fletcher? Emphatically no. The guy shows up every day, every week and puts in work. Bottom line, our defense is much better with Fletcher than it is without him.

Secondly, we need to get over the "did we overpay" crap. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. This is the NFL, not Dairy Queen. I distinctly remember years ago, some of you on this board were bitching and moaning, and rightfully so, when the 'Skins would let guys like Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark walk. Now the organization displays some actual loyalty, keep one of our own and ante up at the same time, some folks still ain't happy.

I fi

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It's the weekend & Fletch re-signed, let's have a drink to celebrate!

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[B]Serious question for those that think we overpaid[/B]. Someone please explain to me, what's "too much" for a player Fletcher's caliber on and off the field? And how do you quantify the value of said replacement at the same position and his impact on the team?

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[quote=12thMan;908825]Is there a more dependable middle linebacker in the NFL than London Fletcher? Emphatically no. The guy shows up every day, every week and puts in work. Bottom line, our defense is much better with Fletcher than it is without him.

Secondly, we need to get over the "did we overpay" crap. Sometimes you [B]gotta do what you gotta do. This is the NFL, not Dairy Queen. I distinctly remember years ago, some of you on this board were bitching and moaning, and rightfully so, when the 'Skins would let guys like Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark walk. Now the organization displays some actual loyalty, keep one of our own and ante up at the same time, some folks still ain't happy.[/B]

I fi[/quote]

I agree, we're paying for more than his on-field performance too. He is a key leader & mgmt. needs to show that it will reward players that go above & beyond the call of duty. Fletcher has always done that. This signing is about more than simple 'production' that shows up in stats. Shanny needs LF to continue to instill his values & work ethic on the team.

It's nice to be able to say that a guy deserves his contract. London Fletcher definitely deserved to get this deal & hopefully will end his career in B&G.

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[quote=GTripp0012;908791]I don't think a majority of my posts are negative at all.

If you're tired of reading my posts, don't comment on them. Look, there's a number of posters on here I don't bother to respond to. There's only so many ways you can put "I disagree" in a post. If I'm not interested, I just skip over when I see the username.

[B]If calling something a "critical signing" comes off as overly negative to someone, then I don't have the time for them[/B].[/quote]

It wasnt that part of the post that I was saying was negative. I agree 100%. It was the latter, which I rather have plan A than plan B. Id like to think Riley can improve in coverage and I like to think Fletcher is not hobbled and still can produce. U just stated the worse case possible of Riley play and Fletch not being able to produce, which again are possible. I dont know so much if they are probable. Lets hope not, right?

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[quote=12thMan;908825]Is there a more dependable middle linebacker in the NFL than London Fletcher? Emphatically no. The guy shows up every day, every week and puts in work. Bottom line, our defense is much better with Fletcher than it is without him.

Secondly, we need to get over the "did we overpay" crap. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. This is the NFL, not Dairy Queen. I distinctly remember years ago, some of you on this board were bitching and moaning, and rightfully so, when the 'Skins would let guys like Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark walk. Now the organization displays some actual loyalty, keep one of our own and ante up at the same time, some folks still ain't happy.

I fi[/quote]

This.

Some of you guys need to shut up!

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Hasn't he lead the league in tackles the past 3 years?

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I don't care what we paid. The guy has been criminally under-appreciated in his career so I am glad the FO stepped up and gave him a thank you deal. He deserved it. And he's still good enough that it's not ridiculous. Happy we've got him back and happy for him.

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Glad Fletch is back. He's the anchor of our defense. But the front office MUST get someone behind him ASAP. As for the money, w/out quesation he deserved the raise. But at this point of his career he should be on one year contracts. The 14 million's probably spread out over two years?? Not sure giving him that amount is smart but hopefully he'll play two more years at a high level.

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[quote=12thMan;908827][B]Serious question for those that think we overpaid[/B]. Someone please explain to me, what's "too much" for a player Fletcher's caliber on and off the field? And how do you quantify the value of said replacement at the same position and his impact on the team?[/quote]

He's worth the money. However at his age it's risky business giving him 14 million.

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[quote=12thMan;908825]Is there a more dependable middle linebacker in the NFL than London Fletcher? Emphatically no. The guy shows up every day, every week and puts in work. Bottom line, our defense is much better with Fletcher than it is without him.

Secondly, we need to get over the "did we overpay" crap. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. This is the NFL, not Dairy Queen. I distinctly remember years ago, some of you on this board were bitching and moaning, and rightfully so, when the 'Skins would let guys like Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark walk. Now the organization displays some actual loyalty, keep one of our own and ante up at the same time, some folks still ain't happy.

I fi[/quote]

The reason people were upset about Pierce and Clark were they were guys that the Redskins drafted. Actually wasn't Pierce a free agent? They paid their dues HERE, and when it was time for a raise the Skins turned their backs. Then they go out and overpay for other teams players. I think everyone here knows how important Fletch is to our team. Hopefully he can play two more years.

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[quote=FRPLG;908837]I don't care what we paid. The guy has been criminally under-appreciated in his career so I am glad the FO stepped up and gave him a thank you deal. He deserved it. And he's still good enough that it's not ridiculous. Happy we've got him back and happy for him.[/quote]

Right on.

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[quote=12thMan;908827][B]Serious question for those that think we overpaid[/B]. Someone please explain to me, what's "too much" for a player Fletcher's caliber on and off the field? And how do you quantify the value of said replacement at the same position and his impact on the team?[/quote]


"Too much" indicates that the money could be spent elsewhere on a younger more productive player. LF is a good roll model and player, however the league is the NFL (not for long) and at some point in the near future the skins are going to have to go in another direction. LF is not going to last forever, the team and it's followers will have to accept a new leader and go forward. Players get old, a team cannot set itself back by rewarding past performance, new leaders have to emerge. Please realize that the skins haven't been successful with him, how much difference has he made on the field in wins and losses.

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[quote=whistler;908842]"Too much" indicates that the money could be spent elsewhere on a younger more productive player. LF is a good roll model and player, however the league is the NFL (not for long) and at some point in the near future the skins are going to have to go in another direction. LF is not going to last forever, the team and it's followers will have to accept a new leader and go forward. Players get old, a team cannot set itself back by rewarding past performance, new leaders have to emerge. Please realize that the skins haven't been successful with him, how much difference has he made on the field in wins and losses.[/quote]
Philosophically your example would apply to every other player on the team........

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[quote=skinsfan69;908840]The reason people were upset about Pierce and Clark were they were guys that the Redskins drafted. Actually wasn't Pierce a free agent? They paid their dues HERE, and when it was time for a raise the Skins turned their backs. Then they go out and overpay for other teams players. I think everyone here knows how important Fletch is to our team. Hopefully he can play two more years.[/quote]

Well first off Pierce took a minimally better deal to go to a division rival. It could be argued that a successful UDFA might feel like he owed the team that gave him a chance a slight discount. And Clark is a decent player that fits their scheme perfectly. He isnt some huge loss.

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If there is one player on this roster that deserves to be "overpaid" it's Fletcher. The team has gotten younger over the last couple of years and needs solid veteran leadership from a player who still plays at a high level and is a model citizen off the field. I'd like to have a roster full of players like him.

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Of all the.....trash this team has mistakenly overpaid for over the years, I could totally endorse over paying London Fletcher a mil or two....IF we overpaid. To date he has given no indication of same. So far we paid for a Pro-bowl LB.........

I think people need to see this from Fletch's perspective, this is probably his last contract as an NFL player, he should be looking to get paid. I am okay with the money paid, b/c he brings so much to the team.

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Think of the cost of NOT signing fletcher....not just in terms of dollars but wins and losses....more time playing defense means less time to score, fatigue on defense, worse production...etc....and none of this factors in that he essentially is the general on the field adjusting the d....it would be a SIGNIFICANT LOSS if we went cheap and lost him, borderline stupid

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Fletcher deserved the type of deal he was hoping for. His productivity may increase in 2012. It would have been a huge void if the team and Fletcher had not come to an agreement. Then the front office would have gotten desperate and sent a conditional draft pick to the Jets for Bart Scott since the position requires someone with understanding and experience of it.

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finally omg i thought he was gone.... heart of the team

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908854]Fletcher deserved the type of deal he was hoping for. His productivity may increase in 2012. It would have been a huge void if the team and Fletcher had not come to an agreement. Then the front office would have gotten desperate and sent a conditional draft pick to the Jets for Bart Scott since the position requires someone with understanding and experience of it.[/quote]


Ok...who are the skins going to forfiet (or ask for a serious pay reduction)now that LF got his deal. Cooley? Moss? Orakpo? TWilliams? Every action causes a reaction...especially with their salary cap situation.

Remember everybody is replacable even LF.

[QUOTE=whistler;908864]Ok...who are the skins going to forfiet (or ask for a serious pay reduction)now that LF got his deal. Cooley? Moss? Orakpo? TWilliams? Every action causes a reaction...especially with their salary cap situation.

Remember everybody is replacable even LF.[/QUOTE]

IMO restructuring TW and/or Orakpo doesn't seem like a terrible burden to keep Fletcher. As has been said, his leadership and field presence alone brings a value that is not directly tied to field performance. Tie that with leading the league in tackles and his consecutive games numbers and it seems a no brainier that he has earned what he got. Since no one knows the future I think its safe to say it may end up being a cap issue in year 2 or 3 but we have overcome FAR worse deals (cough cough Adam) for far lesser players.

Bottomline this was a good move regardless of what shanahan critics might say.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;908866]IMO restructuring TW and/or Orakpo doesn't seem like a terrible burden to keep Fletcher. As has been said, his leadership and field presence alone brings a value that is not directly tied to field performance. Tie that with leading the league in tackles and his consecutive games numbers and it seems a no brainier that he has earned what he got. Since no one knows the future I think its safe to say it may end up being a cap issue in year 2 or 3 but we have overcome FAR worse deals (cough cough Adam) for far lesser players.

Bottomline this was a good move regardless of what shanahan critics might say.

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Remember they have to be willing to restructure!

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[quote=whistler;908868]Remember they have to be willing to restructure![/quote]

I thought contract restructures were pretty player-friendly. Anyone that knows about this more care to elaborate?

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[quote=Ruhskins;908870]I thought contract restructures were pretty player-friendly. Anyone that knows about this more care to elaborate?[/quote]


They usually are. However in this case the skins are not able to make player friendly restructures because if they are player friendly they are not team friendly. With the cap problems the skins have that would not be workable. That would mean pay-cuts. The LF signing means good-bye Cooley and others or take a pay-cut (can you say veterans minimum).

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[quote=whistler;908872]They usually are. However in this case the skins are not able to make player friendly restructures because if they are player friendly they are not team friendly. With the cap problems the skins have that would not be workable. That would mean pay-cuts. The LF signing means good-bye Cooley and others or take a pay-cut (can you say veterans minimum).[/quote]
Making the assumption that something negative will accompany the Fletcher signing without....any real info to support it is just more of the same....tired ass "sky is falling" rhetoric......

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[quote=GTripp0012;908744]Critical signing, since an abnormally high percentage of Fletcher's responsibility in this upcoming season is going to come in the offseason, where we know he's healthy and ready to run the defense around him.

As for actual on field performance, I think his best days as a Redskin are probably behind him. But the Redskins never got a Plan B in the fold, and so even a hobbled 37-year old Fletcher saves us from the alternative and probably prevents Perry Riley from being exposed as a coverage liability a bit longer.[/quote]

You need to get laid, desperately.

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[quote=whistler;908872]They usually are. However in this case the skins are not able to make player friendly restructures because if they are player friendly they are not team friendly. With the cap problems the skins have that would not be workable. That would mean pay-cuts. The LF signing means good-bye Cooley and others or take a pay-cut (can you say veterans minimum).[/quote]

I know I won't get everything right, but I was under the impression that when a player is asked to restructure their contract, it typically entails lowering their base-salary to give the team cap room and turning that money into guaranteed money. Although the cap room helps, to me it seems that it is slightly more beneficial for the player. I believe the only time it is not beneficial for the player is when they are asked to take a pay cut.

In terms of cutting players to get more space, right now the biggest benefit would come from cutting Hall, who would give us about 5 mil in space. The benefits of cutting Cooley would be about 1.6 mil. Right now, I think the best course of action for the team would be to restructure contracts, instead of releasing players and creating additional holes/needs.

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[quote=whistler;908864]Ok...who are the skins going to forfiet (or ask for a serious pay reduction)now that LF got his deal. Cooley? Moss? Orakpo? TWilliams? Every action causes a reaction...especially with their salary cap situation.

Remember everybody is replacable even LF.[/quote]

Unless the deal was unable to be reached is what I said. But the Redskins and Fletcher struck a deal. Bart Scott is one of the few players that I could think of with plenty of experience and knowledge of the inside linebacker position in a 3-4 defense. I said nothing at all about sending players to the NYJ for Scott had the Redskins and Fletcher not come to terms to an agreement. I simply speculated about sending an unconditional draft choice(4th rd or 5th rd) to the Jets for Scott. But now that London has re-signed, trading a conditional draft choice to the Jets for Scott doesn't need to happen now.

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[quote=Hog1;908876]Making the assumption that something negative will accompany the Fletcher signing without....any real info to support it is just more of the same....tired ass "sky is falling" rhetoric......[/quote]

Yup, let's wait and see how the deal is structured.

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[quote=Hog1;908876]Making the assumption that something negative will accompany the Fletcher signing without....any real info to support it is just more of the same....tired ass "sky is falling" rhetoric......[/quote]

But the sky IS FALLING!!!!!!!

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My two cents:

The redskins ABSOLUTELY DID NOT overpay for Fletcher. As others have said, it's not just the league leader in tackles you're getting; you also get the leader of our team, and reward a player who has worked his butt of the last few years. For the other Caps fans out there, this deal kind of reminds me of the deal Laich got recently. Yeah Laich's probably not worth all the money he's making, but he deserves it for being a consistent, solid player who has a huge influence in the locker room.

And for everyone saying its risky to give a multi-year contract to an older player, that only applies to older players who AREN'T physical freaks. Think of this as giving the same contract to a 32 year old.

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[quote=whistler;908868]Remember they have to be willing to restructure![/quote]

As Ruhskins said, usually a restructure is favorable to the player, or at least minimally impactful to them. For example, why would TW not change his base salary of 13.9mill this year to a 10mil and a 3.9 million salary. That move alone would change his cap number from 13.9Million this year to 6.4 (3.9+2.5 prorated "bonus")million which nets a 7.5 million dollar cap savings this year. Based on GTripp's salary cap numbers, he already accounts for Fletcher counting somewhere in the neighborhood of 6million this year, so that combined with the minor restructure above would mean LF's number could be 13 Million without having to cut anybody.

Also remember that due to the rule of 51, and the fact that rookies won't likely sign until after June 1st. There is plenty of time to massage the cap numbers using many different methods without causing us to be forced to cut someone to pay for Fletcher's contract.

Things I guarantee, Fletcher's contract will not cause us to cut TW or Orakpo. And if Cooley or Moss goes, I think it's as much production based as anything related to keeping Fletcher.

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I'm happy that Flecth is back. We still need to draft an inside linebacker, tho.

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Whistler, many if not most board members here have a good grasp of the salary cap and how it works. Most got that way by reading explanations here. Restructures are ALWAYS player friendly. Nothing is special about our situation.

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I don't give a rats ass about pro bowls, but the people saying he is slowing down? Didn't he just get named to the All Pro team? Lead the league in total tackles, if that's slowing down then we should expect him to just be top five this year.