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[quote=NC_Skins;909824]No, this isn't like a driving record where the tickets go off the record in three years. These infractions follow them the rest of their career in the NFL.

He could go 9 years and fail a drug test and he'll still be suspended 1 year because he's had prior infractions.[/quote]

:/ Three years into his career and we're already facing the threat of losing two key players for a year due to drug abuse (and we have to live with that threat for the rest of their careers). I hope TW and FD pan out, I really do, but damn if they aren't idiots.

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[quote=NC_Skins;909824]No, this isn't like a driving record where the tickets go off the record in three years. These infractions follow them the rest of their career in the NFL.

He could go 9 years and fail a drug test and he'll still be suspended 1 year because he's had prior infractions.[/quote]

thanks

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[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/04/gaffney-has-damaged-his-own-trade-value.html]Gaffney has damaged his own trade value - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]


[quote]Gaffney told Russell that going into last year’s Week 7 game in Carolina, the plan was for him to have a diminished role with Anthony Armstrong and Donté Stallworth going in as the two-deep at the X receiver position and Gaffney backing up Santana Moss at Z.

Gaffney said, “my head wasn’t in the game” due to the demotion and he committed a key fumble near the end of the first half that helped turn the game in the Panthers’ favor. Carolina won going away in the second half.

Everybody fumbles now and then but not having your head in the game because you were bumped down on the depth chart is inexcusable in the eyes of most coaches. It was an extraordinary admission for a veteran player who should know better.

As it turned out, Moss suffered a broken hand in the game, giving Gaffney back the starting job. He ended up playing 871 of the team’s 1,103 offensive plays, far more than any other receiver. But the notion that he was moping on the bench will not help his trade value. [/quote]

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And he ruined John Beck's blossoming career in the process!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;909834]And he ruined John Beck's blossoming career in the process!!![/quote]

I think that's what I'll remember the most about this sad ordeal. Remembering how much we gave up for John Beck only for him to not pan out. Boy did the Ravens make out like bandits in that trade.

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[quote=NC_Skins;909831][url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/04/gaffney-has-damaged-his-own-trade-value.html]Gaffney has damaged his own trade value - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url][/quote]


I don't know. I can understand the way Gaffney probably felt going into to that game against the Panthers last year. When you're producing on a weekly basis and contributing and then coaches tell you that you are going to be knocked down on the depth chart and replaced by receivers who aren't playing as well as you, you would be disappointed too.

Was Mike Shanahan trying to test Jabar Gaffney? If so, why? The guy is your most productive wide out.

I remember how I was passed over for a supervisor position years ago and the job was given to someone who wasn't as qualified as I was. My attitude changed too if only for a little while because I didn't want to give as much effort to my job as I once had before I was passed over. So I can relate to Gaffney.

Forget Mike Shanahan if I were him. He has the chance to resume his NFL career with a head coach that will appreciate what he brings.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;909838]I don't know. I can understand the was Gaffney probably felt going into to that game against the Panthers last year. When you're producing on a weekly basis and contributing and then coaches tell you that you are going to be knocked down on the depth chart and replaced by receivers who aren't playing as well as you, you would be disappointed too.

Was Mike Shanahan trying to test Jabar Gaffney? If so, why? The guy is your most productive wide out.

I remember how I was passed over for a supervisor position and it the job was given to someone who wasn't as qualified as I was. My attitude change too if only for a little while. But I can relate to Gaffney.[/quote]

His demotion may have something to do with what Smoot said. (him half assing some routes) Even so, he's a professional and being paid as such. If anything, the demotion should lit a fire under his ass to perform better, and not to sulk with this sense of self entitlement.

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According to Redskins.com the Skins have 10 WRs on their roster counting Gaffney right now. With Garcon and Morgan being signed, and up and coming guys like Hankerson, Austin and Niles Paul, Gaffney becomes a little bit of overlap don't you think?
Plus Santana Moss, is still a starter in my mind. How many receivers can you get on the field when you also consider that either Davis or Cooley will always be out there as well.
I think Gaffney is a salary cap causalty.

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[quote=mooby;909827]:/ Three years into his career and we're already facing the threat of losing two key players for a year due to drug abuse (and we have to live with that threat for the rest of their careers). I hope TW and FD pan out, I really do, but damn if they aren't idiots.[/quote]

[quote=CRedskinsRule;909830]thanks[/quote]



I went back and looked and it does appear that their drug intervention program allows them to reset the record (so to speak) if they go through Drug Stage 2 intervention without going to Stage 3. I think stage 2 lasts two years. If they are in stage 3 of the program, then they will not get to reset their records from the looks of it. Since they've failed 3 drug tests, they very well could be in Stage 3 and they have to be clean the rest of their career.

[quote][B]Completion of Stage Two:[/B] A player who completes Stage Two
without being advanced to Stage Three will be afforded the same
status as a player who had never by Behavior or a Positive Test
been referred to the Intervention Stages.[/quote]


Also to note. If a player is in stage 3, he's in it for the rest of his career so no mulligans it looks like.

[quote]Term: A player in Stage Three will remain in Stage Three
for the remainder of his NFL career.[/quote]

[url]http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf[/url]


I'll edit my prior response so people aren't misled.

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Jabar Gaffney will call into ESPN 980 in the 3:00 hour to speak with Doc and BMitch.

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He was just on yesterday. What's he going to add today?

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[quote=SmootSmack;909854]He was just on yesterday. What's he going to add today?[/quote]

That someone hacked his cell phone and that wasn't him talking yesterday.

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well done

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[quote=Ruhskins;909858]That someone hacked his cell phone and that wasn't him talking yesterday.[/quote]

10/10.

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[quote=Ruhskins;909858]That someone hacked his cell phone and that wasn't him talking yesterday.[/quote]

:laughing- nice.

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We swapped 6th rounders for adam carriker...ill be happy if we can move up one spot in the 7th for gaffney. I don't think he actually tweeted those things because they the verbiage was nothing like he has ever used before. But he's a 32 year old backup receiver...cmon.

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6th rounder before the draft or bring him to camp and then cut him.

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It would seem like Gaffney is worth a 6th or 7th round pick. But if there was a player on any team other than those playing in the NFC Eastern division that is equal to Gaffney in worth, who would it be?

I can see trading him to New England for Chad Johnson or maybe to Seattle for Marcus Trufant. Or maybe trade Gaffney to Oakland for Brandon Underwood who is a decent corner back.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;910033]It would seem like Gaffney is worth a 6th or 7th round pick. But if there was a player on any team other than those playing in the NFC Eastern division that is equal to Gaffney in worth, who would it be?

I can see trading him to New England for Chad Johnson or maybe to Seattle for Marcus Trufant. Or maybe trade Gaffney to Oakland for Brandon Underwood who is a decent corner back.[/quote]

Chad Johnson or Marcus Trufant? Yeesh. 2005 called, they want their elite players back. If we are going to trade Gaffney I would try to trade him to a receiver needy team for an under-the-radar guy.

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[quote=mooby;910040]Chad Johnson or Marcus Trufant? Yeesh. 2005 called, they want their elite players back. If we are going to trade Gaffney I would try to trade him to a receiver needy team for an under-the-radar guy.[/quote]

Maybe we could trade him for Carlos Rogers or Ryan Clark

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[quote=mooby;910040]Chad Johnson or Marcus Trufant? Yeesh. 2005 called, they want their elite players back. If we are going to trade Gaffney I would try to trade him to a receiver needy team for an under-the-radar guy.[/quote]

The Raiders do have young talent on their roster worth trading a player for. But knowing Shanahan, he will want a draft pick for Gaffney. More than likely a 7th rounder would do. But seeing as though Jeremy Jarmon was a 3rd round pick that we traded to Denver for Gaffney for, and seeing as though the Redskins are going to get a mid to late round pick for Gaffney makes Jarmon's 2009 3rd round supplemental selection so worthless......

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;910079]The Raiders do have young talent on their roster worth trading a player for. But knowing Shanahan, he will want a draft pick for Gaffney. More than likely a 7th rounder would do. But seeing as though Jeremy Jarmon was a 3rd round pick that we traded to Denver for Gaffney for, and seeing as though the Redskins are going to get a mid to late round pick for Gaffney makes Jarmon's 2009 3rd round supplemental selection so worthless......[/QUOTE]



So what?

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5th rounder for him maybe?

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We will be lucky to trade him. I read his tweets and that's some classic material. BWAHAHAHA.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;910085]So what?[/quote]

In the past the Redskins haven't drafted well. Basically what I was saying proves my point. But then again it wasn't Jarmon's fault that the Redskins switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense that didn't suit him.

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gaffney for samuel. straight up!

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[quote=los panda;910409]gaffney for samuel. straight up![/quote]Get it done, Bruce.

I had us giving a third last year for Samuel. As it ended up, we got a first-second round value WR to fall to us in the third round, a steal we couldn't have gotten if we had traded that pick for three years of Samuel's career. So I'm just as happy with the pick we made as I would have been if we poached Samuel.

I don't think Haslett wants him though (even though he fits our base scheme) because coaches never like being limited in man coverage calls by those secondary members. And as weak as Hall is in coverage, he's not a guy who NEEDS to be in zone or NEEDS to be in man to succeed. Samuel needs to be in zone to be worth the money he's getting.

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[quote=los panda;910409]gaffney for samuel. straight up![/quote]

They are saying the Eagles will take whatever they can get for him, 6th or 7th round pick. If that's all people are offering would they trade within the division to us if we offered a 5th round? Would he be worth a 4th? We have two...

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A. Samuel is due alot of $$$ would have to redue his contract.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;910478]A. Samuel is due alot of $$$ would have to redue his contract.[/quote]

Wonder what he wants.. Vikes were trading for him but they were way off in $ talks

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Asante Samuel is a decent corner back. He always has been. But the guy isn't worth anything more than 4-5 million $$$$$ a year if he comes to Washington. He's trying to go to a team that will pay him the most money as possible. Jabar Gaffney is a solid veteran receiver, but trading him for Samuel is not an even trade.

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are both players near certain to be cut if they cannot be traded?

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;910505]Asante Samuel is a decent corner back. He always has been. But the guy isn't worth anything more than 4-5 million $$$$$ a year if he comes to Washington. He's trying to go to a team that will pay him the most money as possible. Jabar Gaffney is a solid veteran receiver, but trading him for Samuel is not an even trade.[/QUOTE]



Stop talking like Jabar Gaffney is some prize. Any person in their right mind would trade Gaffney for Asante Samuel straight up.

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Jabar Gaffney has been in the league since 2002 and never eclipsed the 700 yard mark until 2009, never had 60 receptions until 2009, and only had 5 tds once outside of this season. What a great asset. pssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhh

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If we got Samuel for Gaffney straight up? Steal on our part. Not even close.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;910525]If we got Samuel for Gaffney straight up? Steal on our part. Not even close.[/QUOTE]

I agree

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same as it would have been, haynesworth for kolb straight up. fantasy world

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i really don't see a trade with gaffney unless it's a conditional late round pick for next year, or a 7th for this year. he is a middle of the pack wr in the nfl, my guess is he will get cut, get picked up and have a decent season but nothing to write home about.

i honestly dont think his tweets have much to do with his situation with the skins. i think shanny knew he was going to cut him, but i think shanny actually likes gaffney to an extent and wanted him to have a head start finding a new team. gaffney has done what the coaches have asked of him, and seems to understand the nfl. gaffeny was raised on the nfl and i think he has a true understanding of the bussiness mentality of the leauge.

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Well, I still don't get how Mike Shanahan wants to get Gaffney out of Washington. The guy is a veteran wide receiver who happened to be the most productive wide receiver on the roster last season. Jabar Gaffney showed up for every game. With the additions of Garcon and Morgan, and with Hankerson coming back I still see plenty of room for Gaffney as a member of the Redskins receiving corps. The problem in my estimation is Shanahan. He micro manages too damn much.

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D'oh