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[quote=skinster;910229]Absolutely. His statistics alone should make him in....they're better than chris carters for sure. Sterling's best 5 seasons over his 7 year career are better than Chris's best 5 seasons over his 16 year career. And Sterling played with dog shit quarterbacking until his 1994 season. Even in 1992 and 1993 when Favre was there, Favre sucked until 1994. And all 3 seasons Sterling had Favre...he accounted for 43 of 70 of his TD passes...62% of all passing Packers TDs were Sterling Sharpe. For the most part, I think players should be judged by their best 4-7 seasons. Kurt Warner is a lock for the Hall...yet only had 6 seasons where he wasn't complete dogshit.[/quote]

You forget how many great receivers with full careers are not in Canton. That would and should keep Sterling Sharpe from wearing the gold jacket.

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if floyd little got in the there in no real standard to get in. in my opinion cris carter charles haley and the hogs as a group and most importantly london fletcher

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[quote=Lotus;910227]Roman Gabriel and Roger Craig both should be in Canton IMO.[/quote]

Roman Gabriel, ah there's a name from the past. George Allen loved that guy, and ive heard Gabriel tell some pretty good stories on Allen. Put him in the Hall!!

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;910250]Roman Gabriel, ah there's a name from the past. George Allen loved that guy, and ive heard Gabriel tell some pretty good stories on Allen. Put him in the Hall!![/quote]

George Allen's daughter named her first child after Roman. Then Deacon Jones got mad at her and said her father would roll over in his grave since she named a kid after an offensive player, so her second son was named Deacon.

Roman is a GREAT story teller. He got going one time about the old Hollywood days and told a story about Jackie Gleason drinking Deacon Jones under the table.

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Dave Butz: 3x Super Bowl; 1 Pro-Bowl, named to 80s NFL All Decade team. 35 career sacks, had 11 in one season. Missed only 4 games in 16 year career.

I think his contribution was unfortunately overshadowed by some of other stars he played with: Darrell Green, Dexter Manley, and Charles Mann just to name a few.

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Wilbur Marshall for his play here and in Chicago.

Broncos' Steve Atwater and Karl Mecklenburg.

Kevin Greene - Rams/Steelers/Panthers.

LeRoy Butler - big hitter and INT machine for the Packers.

[B] The remainder of the Hogs.[/B]


I'll probably get killed for this one, but Herschel Walker.

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Steve Atwater isn't there yet, but he should be very soon.

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[quote=Leader In Sports;910233]You forget how many great receivers with full careers are not in Canton. That would and should keep Sterling Sharpe from wearing the gold jacket.[/quote]

I agree that he will not get in. I think he absolutely should. Not one eligable reciever for the HOF was as great as him. They all just played longer.

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[quote=12thMan;910264]Dave Butz: 3x Super Bowl; 1 Pro-Bowl, named to 80s NFL All Decade team. 35 career sacks, had 11 in one season. Missed only 4 games in 16 year career.

I think his contribution was unfortunately overshadowed by some of other stars he played with: Darrell Green, Dexter Manley, and Charles Mann just to name a few.[/quote]

I agree that Dave SHOULD be in. The problem is that 1 Pro Bowl which will probably keep him out. He was nominated this last go around and I forget how far along until he got cut.

I think there is an outside chance that Dexter will go in one day. His off the field issues will follow him. While super stars can get past that (LT), I don't know if just a "star" can.

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[quote=12thMan;910264]Dave Butz: 3x Super Bowl; 1 Pro-Bowl, named to 80s NFL All Decade team. 35 career sacks, had 11 in one season. Missed only 4 games in 16 year career.

I think his contribution was unfortunately overshadowed by some of other stars he played with: Darrell Green, Dexter Manley, and Charles Mann just to name a few.[/quote]

Yes Butz needs to be in,loved that dude too.His helmet needs to be in the hall,remember how banged up it was?

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Bubba Smith.......don't know if he's in but he should be.

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[quote=htownskinfan;910291]Yes Butz needs to be in,loved that dude too.His helmet needs to be in the hall,remember how banged up it was?[/quote]

His helmet looked like it was recovered from Pearl Harbor. Not kidding.

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On the fence, but I think either Lamar Parrish or Joe Lavender should get in.

You know what, we've had some of the best all-time secondary to play in the Burgundy and Gold.

Sean Taylor
Darrell Green
Pat Fischer
Ken Houston
Brig Owens

Honarables:
Lamar Parrish (One of my fav Skins)
Joe Lavender

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I have heard through the grapevine the Redskins are pushing for both Larry Brown and Pat Fischer.

The one name I am surprised none of you has mentioned is Len Hauss: [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HausLe00.htm]Len Hauss NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]


5 Time Pro Bowl Center in the Redskins Ring of Fame. He was the starting center for all of both Sonny Jurgensen's and Billy Kilmer's time with the Skins. He was also the starting center for the beginning of Joe T's time. Just think about that a moment.

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[quote=Leader In Sports;910326]I have heard through the grapevine the Redskins are pushing for both [B]Larry Brown and Pat Fischer[/B].

The one name I am surprised none of you has mentioned is Len Hauss: [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HausLe00.htm"]Len Hauss NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]


5 Time Pro Bowl Center in the Redskins Ring of Fame. He was the starting center for all of both Sonny Jurgensen's and Billy Kilmer's time with the Skins. He was also the starting center for the beginning of Joe T's time. Just think about that a moment.[/quote]
Those would be..........big!

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[quote=Leader In Sports;910326]I have heard through the grapevine the Redskins are pushing for both Larry Brown and Pat Fischer.

The one name I am surprised none of you has mentioned is Len Hauss: [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HausLe00.htm]Len Hauss NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]


5 Time Pro Bowl Center in the Redskins Ring of Fame. He was the starting center for all of both Sonny Jurgensen's and Billy Kilmer's time with the Skins. He was also the starting center for the beginning of Joe T's time. Just think about that a moment.[/quote]

Forgot about Fisher,he deserved it before D.Green
Never thought about Len Hauss but he makes a good case too

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I know there's a long list at cornerback, but I really feel like Ade Jimoh deserves to get in. I mean, how many players can say they've had their own fan club?

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Mark Mosley. Only full-time kicker to win NFL MVP. The team knew to keep it close, Mosley would win it.

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Brian Mitchell definitely deserves to be in the HOF. Coy Bacon, Dexter Manley, Charles Mann, and possibly Joe Theismann.

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[quote=Leader In Sports;910326]I have heard through the grapevine the Redskins are pushing for both Larry Brown and Pat Fischer.

The one name I am surprised none of you has mentioned is Len Hauss: [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HausLe00.htm]Len Hauss NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]


5 Time Pro Bowl Center in the Redskins Ring of Fame. He was the starting center for all of both Sonny Jurgensen's and Billy Kilmer's time with the Skins. He was also the starting center for the beginning of Joe T's time. Just think about that a moment.[/quote]

Although he played with Sonny (and presumably Larry Brown), center is a tough one. Go back and find me a center in the Hall without at least one Super Bowl ring, maybe two.

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Dating back to the Hall of Fame's inception, fewer than 10 centers have been inducted.

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[quote=12thMan;910390]Although he played with Sonny (and presumably Larry Brown), center is a tough one. Go back and find me a center in the Hall without at least one Super Bowl ring, maybe two.[/quote]
Just look at the class of 2012 for a certain Steeler who wore number 63.

And yes, Len was there for all of Larry Brown's career too.

I agree in general Center is tough for the Hall because what stats can you use?

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[quote=Leader In Sports;910394]Just look at the class of 2012 for a certain Steeler who wore number 63.

And yes, Len was there for all of Larry Brown's career too.

I agree in general Center is tough for the Hall because what stats can you use?[/quote]

Exactly. Unlike tackle even, you can still quantify how many times the QB didn't get sacked. I suppose they usually measure the centers effectiveness based three criteria: Running backs and QB stats and longevity.

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charles haley
played several positions, excelled in all of them
no player has won more super bowls
member of the 100 sack club

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[quote=los panda;910403]charles haley
played several positions, excelled in all of them
no player has won more super bowls
member of the 100 sack club[/quote]

I think with Haley is it more a matter of when than if.

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Do any of you remember FS Jake Scott ? I always thought he was one of the best to ever play the position.

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[quote=mitch e;910434]Do any of you remember FS Jake Scott ? I always thought he was one of the best to ever play the position.[/quote]

Jake Scott was #13. He played a few years as a Miami Dolphin before he was a Redskin. Scott played against the Redskins in Super Bowl VII.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;910468]Jake Scott was #13. He played a few years as a Miami Dolphin before he was a Redskin. Scott played against the Redskins in Super Bowl VII.[/quote]
I think he was the MVP of that game , too bad Sonny got hurt that year .

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;910468]Jake Scott was #13. He played a few years as a Miami Dolphin before he was a Redskin. Scott played against the Redskins in Super Bowl VII.[/quote]

When Jake Scott came to the Redskins he showed Billy Kilmer his car and thanked Billy. Said the pay raise the Dolphins gave him after the game paid for the car.

Least that is the way Kilmer told it.

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Even though he donned the B&G, I never forgave Jake Scott for Super Bowl VII. Nor did I forgive the goalposts (on the goal line at that time) for blocking a potential touchdown pass.

We played the greatest team of all time relatively tough. If only we could have gotten Larry Brown going...

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[quote=Lotus;910485]Even though he donned the B&G, I never forgave Jake Scott for Super Bowl VII. Nor did I forgive the goalposts (on the goal line at that time) for blocking a potential touchdown pass.

We played the greatest team of all time relatively tough. If only we could have gotten Larry Brown going...[/quote]

Yup, the defense played well enough to win the game. The offense just couldn't get ANYTHING going. Remember, the 1 score came on the special teams block by Vactor that lead to the interception and touchdown by Bass.

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I would like to see Phil Simms stats are better then some and not as good as others ,honestly think he'll make it as a broadcaster before a player.Injuries did him in .

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[quote=Giantone;910499]I would like to see Phil Simms stats are better then some and not as good as others ,honestly think he'll make it as a broadcaster before a player.Injuries did him in .[/quote]

Simms actually has the numbers. He has a higher QB rating than Terry Bradshaw. Simms also has 2 Super Bowl rings. Their number of TD passes are very close. Simms does deserve high consideration.

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Ken Stabler

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I am actually always surprised you don't see Simms or Stabler in the HOF. If forced to pick one, I would go with Simms.

Of course, I put them both in the Roman Gabriel category (along with lots of others). They all deserve to be in, but at what point do you make the cut?

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no no no, in the event of a tie, go w the player who has the better nickname.
kenny "the snake" stabler vs. phil "post script" simms

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Larry Centers

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Speaking of the HOF, any thoughts about Brian Dawkins retirement and whether he'll be a HOF'er? I am leaning towards no given that he has played in the same era as Ed Reed and Polamalu, who are sure HOF'ers.

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[quote=Ruhskins;910740]Speaking of the HOF, any thoughts about Brian Dawkins retirement and whether he'll be a HOF'er? I am leaning towards no given that he has played in the same era as Ed Reed and Polamalu, who are sure HOF'ers.[/quote]

He should get in. 9 Pro Bowls. One of the best at his position for years.

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[quote=Ruhskins;910740]Speaking of the HOF, any thoughts about Brian Dawkins retirement and whether he'll be a HOF'er? I am leaning towards no given that he has played in the same era as Ed Reed and Polamalu, who are sure HOF'ers.[/quote]

I say he's a lock. Not necessarily on the first ballot. But the dude was All-pro 5 times...4 of which he was first team. To me that is the most significant thing. But to the people who like longevity, he played in 8 pro bowls and STARTED 16 years in the nfl.