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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/redskins-talk/Draft-review-Shanahan-says-he-couldnt-pa?blockID=698877&feedID=6355]Draft review: Shanahan says he couldn't pass up Cousins[/url]

Apparently, there was a Shanaboner in the war room.

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[quote=NYCSkin;913540]I really don't like this pick.

Ernie Accorsi didn't give up the ranch to get Eli and then turn around and draft Luke McCown in the 4th round as some sort of hedge.

Cousins may be a decent player but Griffin is, strictly based on how much the Skins gave up for him, clearly THE guy that Shanahan wanted and should be afforded the chance to develop without another young drafted QB around. It's an inconsistent message to not only Griffin but to the team and the fans.

If Cousins is some sort of a Griffin injury hedge--well then Rex or some other veteran could have done that role. And we would have applied the pick towards a greater need.

If Shanahan really wanted another young Qb to develop--best to not waste a pick and get an undrafted free agent. That would have not only saved a pick but also not created any drama vis-a-vis Griffin.[/quote]
Rex and the now departed Beck suck monkey balls!!!!!! Cousins isn't RG III, but he would be a dependable backup, and could wins some games for us in the future if need be. Beck just sucks ass, who came from a BYU team that at the time had come down a notch or two in terms of being a national power. Cousins was a very solid QB for a very good Spartan team, which plays in one of the premier NCAA football conferences. This move was probably part of the plan, which means Rex is probably out in a year or two.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;913623][url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/redskins-talk/Draft-review-Shanahan-says-he-couldnt-pa?blockID=698877&feedID=6355]Draft review: Shanahan says he couldn't pass up Cousins[/url]

Apparently, there was a Shanaboner in the war room.[/quote]

Looks like Shanahan is a QB whore like Gruden :D

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[quote=Dirtbag59;913626]Looks like Shanahan is a QB whore like Gruden :D[/quote]

Well, he has been with even the "dirtiest" of QBs, like Beck and Grossman, so he knows his way around. :FIREdevil

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[quote=Dirtbag59;913610]
Luck meanwhile, despite being very smart and probably a very nice guy isn't exactly the best interview.
[/quote]

Luck is the epitome of how appearances can deceive. Sounds stupid, looks ugly, but a damn fine athlete and a top quarterback.

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[quote=skinsfan69;913438]The only negative here is that when RG3 struggles you know what's going to happen. People are going to be calling for Cousins.[/quote]

Not too long ago everybody was yelling for Beck to replace Rex.

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[quote=NYCSkin;913540]I really don't like this pick.

Ernie Accorsi didn't give up the ranch to get Eli and then turn around and draft Luke McCown in the 4th round as some sort of hedge.
[/quote]

Actually it would have been closer to the Giants drafting Eli in round 1 and Schuab in round 4 (Schuab was picked very close to where the Skins selected Cousins and both had similar pre draft grades and legacies).

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[quote=CapitalDefense;913499]Our only pick, minus RG3, who makes the team.

Could be our new Gus.[/quote]

This is a really silly statement....

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The entire QB position needed upgrading. With Griffin and Cousins, there's a new starter and a new back up and both are upgrades over what the Redskins had at the position last season. Grossman is still there only because he knows the offense. I have no problem with the Redskins picking Cousins, especially if he was still available when the Redskins picked. In fact, Kirk Cousins was a total steal.

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[quote=Mattyk;913611]The media loves a sexy headline, and they're certainly trying their best to turn this into something it's not. I just laughed when ESPN said "Is RG3 being challenged already?"

I mean please.[/quote]

ESPN is the TMZ of the sports world yo!!

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[quote=Dirtbag59;913635]Actually it would have been closer to the Giants drafting Eli in round 1 and Schuab in round 4 (Schuab was picked very close to where the Skins selected Cousins and both had similar pre draft grades and legacies).[/quote]

Hell, even though they were picked in different years, this is like Vick and Schaub or Rodgers and the pair taken in 2008. The backups who have no shot at making it as THE GUY on the team that drafted them but eventually might succeed elsewhere.

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[QUOTE=CapitalDefense;913499]Our only pick, minus RG3, who makes the team.



Could be our new Gus.[/QUOTE]



That's a new level of stupid.

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they said forever ago they wanted to get 2 qbs, and they did.... just because the 2nd one came before the 6th round shouldn't cause people to think the sky is falling.

we got good value, cousins > beck, which means the team is better at the QB position (and #2/#3 qb position) than before the draft. I'm fine with it in every way.

Really not sure how I feel about this pick. Any quotes from RG3 about the Cousins pick?

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[quote=hooskins;913721]Really not sure how I feel about this pick. Any quotes from RG3 about the Cousins pick?[/quote]

“We were in the same group in the combine, so I got to know him a little bit. He’s a good guy. I look forward to going out and growing with him … He got drafted a little bit later than he would have liked but I’m glad to have him on the team.”

[QUOTE=Mattyk;913725]“We were in the same group in the combine, so I got to know him a little bit. He’s a good guy. I look forward to going out and growing with him … He got drafted a little bit later than he would have liked but I’m glad to have him on the team.”[/QUOTE]

Sweet. Thanks.

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Slept on this pick woke up this morning and I like it, we are going to teach both these QB's our system correct there bad habits while there still learning. Who knows maybe we trade him for a player or a pick next year.

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As for the Cousins pick, at first I was like many of us, confused and frustrated by the pick but then recognized this draft was more about 2013, 2014 and beyond than 2012. This addresses the most expensive and highest position of turnover in the league so now it's locked up, 2 deep for the next 4 years at what will be an affordable price. Unless he's a complete flop and can't grasp the offense or simply can't play at this level, we've got a future asset or at worst a career backup who will have years of experience running our system. I would have rather seen another 'need' player there but ultimately, I'm fine with the pick.

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[quote=Mattyk;913429]I really like this pick. I see Rex sticking around for one more year as the primary backup, but we move on from him next year and Cousins is the #2. Good insurance policy, about damn time we have a quality backup to develop.[/quote]

Just asking here but for how long?I understand the logic here but how long do you think he(Cousins)will be happy as a back up,I'm sure he believes he's a starter in the NFL and will want a chance to prove it.I see a play me or trade me ....down the road.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;913680]Hell, even though they were picked in different years, this is like Vick and Schaub or Rodgers and the pair taken in 2008. The backups who have no shot at making it as THE GUY on the team that drafted them but eventually might succeed elsewhere.[/quote]

It really is scary how similar they are (Schuab and Cousins). Funny to think that in 3 or 4 years the Skins could go from having no capable QB's to having 2. All Cousins draft position did was seal the deal as he was picked 12 picks after the spot Schuab went in the 2004 draft (90-102).

Also the media attention might be a good thing because it introduces the fans to Kirk Cousins so down the road if he plays well in the preseason and then spot duty like Schuab and an owner wants to bring in a potential QB to appease the fan base or is thinking about approving a trade Cousins won't be a name out of left field.

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[quote=Giantone;913741]Just asking here but for how long?I understand the logic here but how long do you think he(Cousins)will be happy as a back up,I'm sure he believes he's a starter in the NFL and will want a chance to prove it.I see a play me or trade me ....down the road.[/quote]

Play me or trade me?

Not sure how much leverage a 4th round backup will have.

He's a smart kid, I think he understands his situation. There's a reason he went in the 4th round. No matter what team he went to he was going to be starting off his career as a backup.

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I'm officially on board with the pick. He is immediately better than our other backups we've had minus RG0 and in a year he is probably better than him. If he really really pans out then he's a trade asset.

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[quote=Giantone;913741]Just asking here but for how long?I understand the logic here but how long do you think he(Cousins)will be happy as a back up,I'm sure he believes he's a starter in the NFL and will want a chance to prove it.I see a play me or trade me ....down the road.[/quote]

He seems like a selfless guy who is willing to wait. Hence, I see no problems.

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[quote=Mattyk;913762]Play me or trade me?

Not sure how much leverage a 4th round backup will have.

He's a smart kid, I think he understands his situation. There's a reason he went in the 4th round. No matter what team he went to he was going to be starting off his career as a backup.[/quote]

No kidding! The guy may want to be a starter, but I expect all the other 4th round backups will too. He will probably understand now that his best chance to start will be to perform well when he gets a chance and get traded into a starting role elsewhere.

I think this trade is about two things:
1: Getting a great value pick that can be traded for more in the future.
2: Creating trade leverage. Bruce Allen is putting his trade partners on alert that they can't wait for the skins to skip on a player because they only draft for need. If other teams want their guy, pay up.

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[quote=GoSkins!;913767]No kidding! The guy may want to be a starter, but I expect all the other 4th round backups will too. He will probably understand now that his best chance to start will be to perform well when he gets a chance and get traded into a starting role elsewhere.

[B][I]I think this trade is about two things:
1: Getting a great value pick that can be traded for more in the future.
2: Bruce Allen putting his trade partners on alert that the skins aren't afraid to take value players when it is his turn. This creates trade leverage.[/quote]
[/I][/B]

Hit the nail on the head. This pickup will net us at least a 3rd rounder in 2 or 3 years. Plus, you think watching RG3 and being coached by our QB coaches wont help this guy? If corn on the kolb can fetch a 2nd and a top CB after learning from McNabb, who knows what we will get after a few years of this guy in our system.

Kudos on the pick, wish we could have gotten him with our second fourth rounder, but I say it would have been a 50/50 proposition that he fell. Nice forward thinking pick. Qb has turned from a glaring weakness to a possible glaring strength on this team!!!!!!

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[quote=Dirtbag59;913742]It really is scary how similar they are (Schuab and Cousins). Funny to think that in 3 or 4 years the Skins could go from having no capable QB's to having 2. All Cousins draft position did was seal the deal as he was picked 12 picks after the spot Schuab went in the 2004 draft (90-102).

[B]Also the media attention might be a good thing because it introduces the fans to Kirk Cousins so down the road if he plays well in the preseason and then spot duty like Schuab and an owner wants to bring in a potential QB to appease the fan base or is thinking about approving a trade Cousins won't be a name out of left field.[/B][/quote]

Agree 100%... The media attention is beneficial; It's amazing that just 3-4 months ago, most didn't want Grossman back; we draft Cousins, and the ones who wanted Grossman out, are bitching about us drafting a better, and [B]younger[/B] backup QB in Cousins. Did we need to draft him? Maybe not. But the dropoff in talent and prodution between the starting QB and the backup QB is pretty huge on most teams in the league. It's always good to have a backup who can, and has the potential to start and win you games. There are so many positives about this pick: In 2-3 years, we can trade him for a high draft pick, we don't have to worry about the backup QB spot for at least 2-3 years, which means no more signing Grossman to 1 year deals, it motivates and pushes RG3 to perform at a high level, and it saves Shanahan's ass and gives him and Allen an insurance plan/Plan B, if RG3's (I hope not) a complete fail. But to start, KIRK COUSIN'S IS RG3'S BACKUP WHO JUST HAPPENS TO BE DRAFTED IN THE SAME YEAR AS RG3 AND 100 SPOT'S LATER.

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[quote=exit0;913633]Not too long ago everybody was yelling for Beck to replace Rex.[/quote]

Not everybody.

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[quote=NM Redskin;913476][YT]tmxSow6A9R0[/YT][/quote]

very impressed with this guy, he should be great in the locker room

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[quote=Mattyk;913794]very impressed with this guy, he should be great in the locker room[/quote]

What is the FFCA?

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Fired Football Coaches Association

Just for kicks, here is everyone who voted for RGIII/Rex in my likely QB combos poll (83% of total)

#56fanatic, 2BIG2BSKINNY, 44Deezel, Alvin Walton, ArtMonkDrillz, BDBohnzie, biffle, bigdaddy2348, BigHairedAristocrat, Bigreds77, BrudLee, Bubba305-ST21-, BuckSkin, celts32, ChickenMonkey, Chico23231, Cooley1, CooleyAsCanBe, cpayne5, CrazyCanuck, CRedskinsRule, CultBrennan59, Darrell_Green_28, Daseal, diehardskin2982, Dirtbag59, dmek25, donofriose, drew54, Drewsky27, Duffman003, dumpcm, DynamiteRave, ethat001, fevola, freddyg12, Frost, Gmanc711, GMScud, goskins424, GreekSkin, GTripp0012, GusFrerotte, hail_2_da_skins, Hokie Hacker, hondakiller, iRepDMV, IrMitchell, itvnetop, jbcjr14, jdlea, jkturtle23, JoeRedskin, Jontrem, jtoolh, Kapricek, kerrigan91, KI Skins Fan, Kindoy, Kope, los panda, Lotus, Mattyk, mbedner3420, Mechanix544, mooby, mredskins, MrGraham2004, musicmaster45, NM Redskin, NYCskinfan82, Paintrain, RedskinMike, Redskins247, REDSKINS4ever, Riggo44, RonBurgundy, Ruhskins, rypper11, sevier2, SkinEmAll, Skins fan 44, skins89moss, skinsfan57, SkinsGuru, skinsguy, skinster, SkinzWin, Son Of Man, SOUL-SKINS, spAtt, T.O.Killa, taylort, tc2deuce, TexSkins, That Guy, The Dull Roar, TheSmurfs22, TrustinGibbs, whistler, WillH, wordsmithgk, Wpath2012

And here is everyone who voted for Manning/Cousins (11% of total)

30gut, 72_Mr._Dexter, artmonkforhallofamein07, CapitalDefense, davy, FrenchySkin, Gtothearry, lohengrin, mlmdub130, Player_HTTR, skinsfaninok, SmootSmack, The Goat, WestCoastSkinsFan

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[quote=SmootSmack;913801]Fired Football Coaches Association

Just for kicks, here is everyone who voted for RGIII/Rex in my likely QB combos poll (83% of total)

#56fanatic, 2BIG2BSKINNY, 44Deezel, Alvin Walton, ArtMonkDrillz, BDBohnzie, biffle, bigdaddy2348, BigHairedAristocrat, Bigreds77, BrudLee, Bubba305-ST21-, BuckSkin, celts32, ChickenMonkey, Chico23231, Cooley1, CooleyAsCanBe, cpayne5, CrazyCanuck, CRedskinsRule, CultBrennan59, Darrell_Green_28, Daseal, diehardskin2982, Dirtbag59, dmek25, donofriose, drew54, Drewsky27, Duffman003, dumpcm, DynamiteRave, ethat001, fevola, freddyg12, Frost, Gmanc711, GMScud, goskins424, GreekSkin, GTripp0012, GusFrerotte, hail_2_da_skins, Hokie Hacker, hondakiller, iRepDMV, IrMitchell, itvnetop, jbcjr14, jdlea, jkturtle23, JoeRedskin, Jontrem, jtoolh, Kapricek, kerrigan91, KI Skins Fan, Kindoy, Kope, los panda, Lotus, Mattyk, mbedner3420, Mechanix544, mooby, mredskins, MrGraham2004, musicmaster45, NM Redskin, NYCskinfan82, Paintrain, RedskinMike, Redskins247, REDSKINS4ever, Riggo44, RonBurgundy, Ruhskins, rypper11, sevier2, SkinEmAll, Skins fan 44, skins89moss, skinsfan57, SkinsGuru, skinsguy, skinster, SkinzWin, Son Of Man, SOUL-SKINS, spAtt, T.O.Killa, taylort, tc2deuce, TexSkins, That Guy, The Dull Roar, TheSmurfs22, TrustinGibbs, whistler, WillH, wordsmithgk, Wpath2012

And here is everyone who voted for Manning/Cousins (11% of total)

[B]30gut, 72_Mr._Dexter, artmonkforhallofamein07, CapitalDefense, davy, FrenchySkin, Gtothearry, lohengrin, mlmdub130, Player_HTTR, skinsfaninok, SmootSmack, The Goat, WestCoastSkinsFan[/quote][/B]

Can we STONE them.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;913804][/B]

Can we STONE them.[/quote]

Why do you want to stone me?

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[quote=SmootSmack;913806]Why do you want to stone me?[/quote]

Everyone should of picked RG3/Rex, please don't pull-up any of my old post. :)

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[quote=Mattyk;913794]very impressed with this guy, he should be great in the locker room[/quote]

I actually loved the answer he gave to how he prepared for Georgia after Gruden told him the UGA DC was calling Saban asking him what he did to stop Cousins after which Cousins turned around and said he called Kellen Moore who "had lit up the Bulldogs earlier in the year" to get advice. Actually brought a tear of joy to my eye.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;913810]I actually loved the answer he gave to how he prepared for Georgia after Gruden told him the UGA DC was calling Saban asking him what he did to stop Cousins after which Cousins turned around and said he called Kellen Moore who "had lit up the Bulldogs earlier in the year" to get advice. Actually brought a tear of joy to my eye.[/quote]

Yeah great answer.

You could tell Gruden really likes this kid.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;913810]I actually loved the answer he gave to how he prepared for Georgia after Gruden told him the UGA DC was calling Saban asking him what he did to stop Cousins after which Cousins turned around and said he called Kellen Moore who "had lit up the Bulldogs earlier in the year" to get advice. Actually brought a tear of joy to my eye.[/quote]

So, I guess we can assume he will be a willing apprentice to the RGIII school of quarterbacking.

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[quote=Paintrain;913738]As for the Cousins pick, at first I was like many of us, confused and frustrated by the pick but then recognized this draft was more about 2013, 2014 and beyond than 2012. This addresses the most expensive and highest position of turnover in the league so now it's locked up, 2 deep for the next 4 years at what will be an affordable price. Unless he's a complete flop and can't grasp the offense or simply can't play at this level, we've got a future asset or at worst a career backup who will have years of experience running our system. I would have rather seen another 'need' player there but ultimately, I'm fine with the pick.[/quote]


Would have much rather seen a quality player taken that would have filled a OL or DL position. Possibly a Nose Tackle prospect that maybe a started in a year or 2.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;913862]So, I guess we can assume he will be a willing apprentice to the RGIII school of quarterbacking.[/quote]

Well he believes he's suppose to be here so yes.

[quote]“I’m going to work as hard as I can,” Cousins said. “There are a lot of things I can’t control, like where I get drafted. I’m just excited to be part of the NFL. At the end of the day, [B]I believe God is in control of my future, and this is where I believe he wants me at this time.”[/B][/quote]

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[quote=whistler;913863]Would have much rather seen a quality player taken that would have filled a OL or DL position. Possibly a Nose Tackle prospect that maybe a started in a year or 2.[/quote]

Given how some of the players they drafted had a pretty fluid draft stock I doubt they really missed out on anyone they wanted. Maybe a few but none where their whole draft was thrown off. As some of the beat writers said when the Redskins were picking in the third round, there were a lot of players they liked and trading down wasn't an issue.