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A friend of mine sent me a text message saying that Jonathan Vilma has been suspended for 32 regular season games including the preseason and the playoffs if the Saints qualified for the playoffs during his suspension span. That is the sternest, and hardest suspension probably in the history of pro football on a player. A lot of people don't like Roger Goddell but you can't blame him for wanting to protect professional football players and wanting to uphold the integrity of the sport.

How did he get a 32 game suspension? 5 preseason for saints I believe, 16 regular season, and 4 playoff games if they make the Super Bowl. That's 25 games at the most.


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[quote=redskins5044;914785]How did he get a 32 game suspension? 5 preseason for saints I believe, 16 regular season, and 4 playoff games if they make the Super Bowl. That's 25 games at the most.


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When it first came to my attention, it was said that Vilma was suspended for all of 2012 and 2013. That could be misinformation but that's what I first heard.

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Why doesnt the NFL have an independent arbitrator like MLB?? Godell hands out a penalty and the said perp appeals and it goes right back to Godell!!! WTF?? Did the Players Union agree to that?? Jimminy Crickets!

[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;914846]Why doesnt the NFL have an independent arbitrator like MLB?? Godell hands out a penalty and the said perp appeals and it goes right back to Godell!!! WTF?? Did the Players Union agree to that?? Jimminy Crickets![/QUOTE]

Yes the players agreed to this in the new CBA


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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/former-prosecutor-conducted-independent-review-of-bounty-evidence/]Former prosecutor conducted independent review of bounty evidence | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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Too much power for one dude.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;914874]Too much power for one dude.[/quote]


.....I disagree.No other commisoner has had to deal with what he is dealing with.If not for him ...thugs would be running and ruining the NFL.
No I don't agree with everything that has been done but over all I give him and A.

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I'm happy with the way Goddell has handled the Saints situation. Both Sean Payton and Gregg Williams are on suspension and rightfully so. Goddell has also punished the Saints front office and several players. I hope that this bounty stuff never happens again. There was the suspension and fines on James Harrison that I felt was a bit overboard, but Roger Goddell is a decent NFL commissioner.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;914874]Too much power for one dude.[/quote]

Not sure what you were expecting.


If you did something against rules at your job, and you turned around and told your boss you didn't care what he did and didn't show any contrite. What kind of punishment would you expect to come to you?


Had Vilma apologized, and made a half ass attempt to show he was contrite, he probably wouldn't have been slapped with a year long suspension.

As it is, he did not and chose to roll with the arrogant smart ass route and it cost him big time. Next time he'll know what not to do.

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I like the punishments. Even better is that it helps us when we put Griffin out there week 1. No Will Smith. And No Vilma. I love how Vilma denied the whole cash and bounty system. You know his rich a$$ put that money on the table. Whenever I picture him doing this I picture the scene from the punisher where John Travolta offers $50,000 to the man who killed the punisher.

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[quote=NC_Skins;915012]Not sure what you were expecting.


If you did something against rules at your job, and you turned around and told your boss you didn't care what he did and didn't show any contrite. What kind of punishment would you expect to come to you?


Had Vilma apologized, and made a half ass attempt to show he was contrite, he probably wouldn't have been slapped with a year long suspension.

As it is, he did not and chose to roll with the arrogant smart ass route and it cost him big time. Next time he'll know what not to do.[/quote]

A year for Payton and Vilma really?? Over blown. Contrite?? lol I guess he should have cried. But im sure he's saving that for the appeal.

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[quote]When asked twice whether any players actually were paid for hits, White confirmed they were without going into specifics. She added that most of the money in the bounty scheme was provided by the players.

"Without them, there wouldn't have been a bounty program," she said.

White, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, was asked last December by the NFL to examine the evidence.

"The factual basis for the sanctions is quite strong in my opinion," she said. "You must safeguard the identity of people that provide information to you in order to protect them, and also to encourage others in the future to come forward with evidence of wrongdoing. This is certainly not a one-on-one, he-said, she-said record at all. This is multiple independent sources."

...

"The players sanctioned all activity and enthusiastically embraced this program," White said. "They always had the option to say no. They didn't say no.

[B]"It is no defense that coaches were involved in it, this was an individual responsibility each player has and each coach has. Each player had the responsibility to say no to this program and they didn't do that. They obviously had the option to report this to the union and they didn't do that."[/B][/quote]

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/05/03/bounty.counsel.ap/index.html#ixzz1tuUttqb6]Independent counsel says*bounty payments were made in New Orleans Saints suspensions - NFL - SI.com[/url]

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I don't disagree with the idea of punishing the players and coaches involved. Without having all the "evidence" at my disposal I cannot say whether or not the punishments are fair. I do however think that Goodell has too much power here. How can one man be the judge, jury and also the one to hear any appeals? On top of that, players are saying that they never saw nor heard the evidence against them. I don't if that is true or not, but if it is, to me that is unsat. At a minimum the players should know exactly what they are being accused of, what their "alleged" role was and have an opportunity to defend themselves. And to find out of your suspension via the TV...poor to say the least on the NFL leadership (Goodell). I in no way sanction the bounty program, but many players former and present have come forward and said it is an NFL thing, not a Saints thing. I know the Saints were warned and continued it, but the players say they never knew the organization was warned, so to them it was business as usual...

Like I said, I am not privy to ALL of the information and evidence, but this whole thing doesn't feel right as far as the way it has all been handled...something must be done at a minimum to put Goodell in check and the NFLPA must figure out what something is.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;915101]I don't disagree with the idea of punishing the players and coaches involved. Without having all the "evidence" at my disposal I cannot say whether or not the punishments are fair.[COLOR=red] I do however think that Goodell has too much power here. How can one man be the judge, jury and also the one to hear any appeals? On top of that, players are saying that they never saw nor heard the evidence against them. I don't if that is true or not, but if it is, to me that is unsat. At a minimum the players should know exactly what they are being accused of, what their "alleged" role was and have an opportunity to defend themselves. And to find out of your suspension via the TV...poor to say the least on the NFL leadership (Goodell).[/COLOR] I in no way sanction the bounty program, but many players former and present have come forward and said it is an NFL thing, not a Saints thing. I know the Saints were warned and continued it, but the players say they never knew the organization was warned, so to them it was business as usual...

Like I said, I am not privy to ALL of the information and evidence, but this whole thing doesn't feel right as far as the way it has all been handled...something must be done at a minimum to put Goodell in check and the NFLPA must figure out what something is.[/quote]

The NFLPA agreed to give him all this power in the new CBA.

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If that is true, then they lost more than I thought in that process.

I also heard that the punishments imposed (according to the new CBA) must be for actions that occurred AFTER the new agreement. A lot of what they have been talking about occurred in 2009-2010.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--anthony-hargrove-s-declaration-to-nfl-regarding-saints-bounty-scandal.html]Anthony Hargrove's declaration to NFL regarding Saints bounty scandal - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;915698][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--anthony-hargrove-s-declaration-to-nfl-regarding-saints-bounty-scandal.html"]Anthony Hargrove's declaration to NFL regarding Saints bounty scandal - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]


IF real.....HOLY S#$%.TOAST!!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;915698][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--anthony-hargrove-s-declaration-to-nfl-regarding-saints-bounty-scandal.html]Anthony Hargrove's declaration to NFL regarding Saints bounty scandal - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

thats a pretty disturbing quoting coming from Williams. I really dont see how he might coach again.

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[quote=Chico23231;915715]thats a pretty disturbing quoting coming from Williams. I really dont see how he might coach again.[/quote]

Agreed. Damn.

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Again, I don't condone the alleged actions taken by the players involved in this bounty crap, they should be punished appropriately. However, obviously there was undue influence and pressure on these players to participate and also "play dumb" about it. I hope the NFL "Goodell" took that into consideration when he imposed their punishments. It is difficult to believe he did - suspending Vilma for a year.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=SmootSmack;915698][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--anthony-hargrove-s-declaration-to-nfl-regarding-saints-bounty-scandal.html]Anthony Hargrove's declaration to NFL regarding Saints bounty scandal - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

I can't see any scenario that would have Gregg Williams coach in the NFL again. I'd be willing to wager vast sums of money that he's done for good. He would present too much of a liability to future lawsuits to have him around. Imagine some guy having a career ending injury or concussion while Gregg Williams was at the helm. THem knowing what they do now? No way they could deny anything in defense.

I'm surprised Vitt didn't also get a year suspension. He deserves one as well.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7907610/cris-carter-formerly-minnesota-vikings-admits-authorizing-bounties]Cris Carter, formerly of Minnesota Vikings, admits to authorizing bounties - ESPN[/url]

This makes Carter looks like he wants attention. I kinda have a hard time believing he paid people to take out defense

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Yeah I think Carter is just being an attention whore. Par for the course with him though. I also have a hard time believing he'd put a bounty on an ex-NFL player (who he disliked from his playing days of course) if he passed him in the hall at ESPN too.

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[quote=SmootSmack;915698][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--anthony-hargrove-s-declaration-to-nfl-regarding-saints-bounty-scandal.html"]Anthony Hargrove's declaration to NFL regarding Saints bounty scandal - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]

I laughed at the "my return from a missions trip in Swaziland". It just sounds like the typical "officer, I was on the way home from the soup kitchen and on the way to volunteer at the orphanage when I saw him..." stories. Not doubting him though.

Sounds like Williams was blackmailing his own players. "remember who brought him into the league and onto the team..."

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[quote=Chico23231;916127][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7907610/cris-carter-formerly-minnesota-vikings-admits-authorizing-bounties]Cris Carter, formerly of Minnesota Vikings, admits to authorizing bounties - ESPN[/url]

This makes Carter looks like he wants attention. I kinda have a hard time believing he paid people to take out defense[/quote]

Carter is a f'ing idiot and I hope he never gets into the HOF.

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[quote=Monkeydad;916132]I laughed at the "my return from a missions trip in Swaziland". It just sounds like the typical "officer, I was on the way home from the soup kitchen and on the way to volunteer at the orphanage when I saw him..." stories. Not doubting him though.

[B]Sounds like Williams was blackmailing his own players. "remember who brought him into the league and onto the team..."[/B][/quote]

Yeah GW seems like a d-bag of the highest order. Anthony I've got you penciled in as the starter.... Oh by the way you need to lie about this....

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[quote=Chico23231;916127][URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7907610/cris-carter-formerly-minnesota-vikings-admits-authorizing-bounties"]Cris Carter, formerly of Minnesota Vikings, admits to authorizing bounties - ESPN[/URL]
[B]
This makes Carter looks like he wants attention.[/B] I kinda have a hard time believing he paid people to take out defense[/quote]

It really does. This bounty thing has been a big story for months now, and all of a sudden a WR claims he put bounties on LBs? Please.

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[quote=GMScud;916134]Yeah GW seems like a d-bag of the highest order. Anthony I've got you penciled in as the starter.... Oh by the way you need to lie about this....[/quote]

thats just classless, scumbag stuff

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Romanowski agrees that this is nothing more than an attention grab by Carter.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/09/bill-romanowski-calls-cris-carters-claim-absolute-fiction/]Bill Romanowski calls Cris Carter’s claim “absolute fiction” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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As much as I hate both Romo and Carter, I'd side with Romo on this one.

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[quote=Mattyk;916156]As much as I hate both Romo and Carter, I'd side with Romo on this one.[/quote]

This.


Does ESPN still employee that idiot CC? If so, why? In fact, why does anybody at this stage?