Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;918104]So, rather than summarize, you would doom our fellow forum mates to wading through that morass of a thread? You cold, heartless bastard.[/quote]

No, not just cold and heartless, evil and cruel as well

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Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;918083]Sort of - - Burbank will say that the Skins and Cowboys [I]failed[/I] to state a prima facie case for going forward. The NFL had nothing to prove - their argument was simply that Washington and Dallas hadn't made their case. Burbank agreed.[/quote]

Your mission, should you choose to accept it.

[url]http://media.washtimes.com/media/misc/2012/05/22/nfl2012teamsalaryreallocations.pdf[/url]


Cliff notes by the end of the day please, and don't forget the cover sheet for the TPS report. :cheeky-sm

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;918039]Simple - I am betting that Burbank's decision reads like some version of this:

1. Parties to the 2012 CBA = NFL & NFLPA;
2. Players & NFL agreed to the restructured salary cap for 2012, 2013;
3. Individual clubs have no standing to in this forum to challenge the agreement between the NFL & NFLPA.

Just read Hoophead's discussion in the old closed thread. I am betting the arbitrator pretty much followed the same line of reasoning.[/quote]

Haven't read the actual decision, but here is a key section from a WaPo article on the decision:

[I]Burbank, in a 10-page decision, wrote that a March 11 “reallocation” letter from the league and players’ union to the two teams informing them of the salary cap reductions, along with a March 27 vote by almost all NFL teams to affirm the cap reductions, represented a proper amending of the sport’s collective bargaining agreement.

The objections by the Redskins and Cowboys “all must fail as a matter of law if the reallocation letter, as originally executed or as ratified by the March 27 resolution, constitutes a valid amendment of the CBA,” Burbank wrote.

Later in the decision, he added: “The CBA and valid amendments thereto are binding on the clubs.”[/I]

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=NC_Skins;918129]Your mission, should you choose to accept it.

[url]http://media.washtimes.com/media/misc/2012/05/22/nfl2012teamsalaryreallocations.pdf[/url]


Cliff notes by the end of the day please, and don't forget the cover sheet for the TPS report. :cheeky-sm[/quote]

I read it and, after careful legal analysis, have concluded that my careful legal analysis is correct.

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Burbank ruled that the CBA was amended properly. We basically only made the argument that the amending was improper. Which as has been pointed was very likely our weakest argument.

Burbank did not rule as to whether the amendment was a load of crap though. Which it was. But that is, as has also been pointed out, irrelevant.

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

Here's the crux of it:

[quote]The Clubs’ contentions that the Reallocation Letter violates Article 12, Section 6(c)(v) of the CBA (which prescribes the method for determining the Salary Cap), Article 13, Section 1 (which provides that the “Salary Cap is the same amount for each Club”), Article 14, Section 2 (which proscribes agreements and other transactions that include terms designed to defeat or circumvent the parties’ intent as reflected by the CBA), and Article 17, Section 1 (which proscribes collusion to restrict or limit individual Club decisionmaking concerning designated matters) [B]all must fail [I]as a matter of law[/I] if the Reallocation Letter, as originally executed or as ratified by the March 27 Resolution, constitutes a valid amendment of the CBA.[/B][/quote]

[url]http://media.washtimes.com/media/misc/2012/05/22/nfl2012teamsalaryreallocations.pdf[/url] at page 3.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;918132]I read it and, after careful legal analysis, have concluded that my careful legal analysis is correct.[/quote]

I have read it now as well...and after careful analysis, have concluded that your careful analysis that my careful analysis in the other thread was correct is correct.

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

It's funny that Snyder won't sue the NFL now(just on principle), but did sue the city paper for saying mean things about him.

I'm still a huge skins fan, but this whole thing has affected my view of the NFL.

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;918104]So, rather than summarize, you would doom our fellow forum mates to wading through that morass of a thread? You cold, heartless bastard.[/quote]

To be fair, that thread has the same few points summarised in about 87 different places. Reading any two pages at random will give you the same (nicely bulleted imo) points.
:cheeky-sm

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Rules aren't made to be broken. Every team restructures contracts. But because it was done during an uncapped year, it was a big deal. There's nothing left to do but move on. At least we were able to get impact players in free agency this off season.

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[quote=firstdown;918077]Snyder need to drop his beer and food prices for the next year so he can avoid revenue sharing.[/quote]

And that's the back side to all this. He needs to drop the parking cost, drop the price of food and beverages and anything else he has control of simply tell the league the bad economy is effecting his stadium also so other teams get less revenue from the Redskins. Screw the league over in the long run by not generating a lot of income to have revenue shared from. Drop the price of seats significantly and cry its because of the economy. Make just enough money to pay the bills and players.

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So he should cut off his own nose to spite the face?

Smart move.

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=Evilgrin;918144][B]It's funny that Snyder won't sue the NFL now(just on principle), but did sue the city paper for saying mean things about him.[/B]
I'm still a huge skins fan, but this whole thing has affected my view of the NFL.[/quote]

if memory serves me (and maybe it doesnt), didnt Snyder sue the paper for saying things they knew to be true about both he and his wife? I actually respected him for the suit for that reason... but perhaps i was mistaken.

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I see where Kiem said they accept this decision.....

We already have this team signed sealed and delivered so no big deal [B][I][U]THIS[/U][/I][/B] year. Little Danny is spineless if he accepts this BS decision and moves on, unless they have a backroom deal for next season.

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As alluded to earlier, the sweetest revenge Al Davis got on Pete Rozelle was when Rozelle had to, on national television, give Davis the Lombardi Trophy (at the Redskins' expense). All I want is for Snyder to have the same revenge

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=SmootSmack;918166]As alluded to earlier, the sweetest revenge Al Davis got on Pete Rozelle was when Rozelle had to, on national television, give Davis the Lombardi Trophy (at the Redskins' expense). All I want is for Snyder to have the same revenge[/quote]

I think we can all agree on that one.

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[url=http://sonofwashington.com/why-losing-arbitration-isnt-that-bad/]Son of Washington » Why Losing Arbitration Isn’t That Bad[/url]

Interesting article.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;918178][url=http://sonofwashington.com/why-losing-arbitration-isnt-that-bad/]Son of Washington » Why Losing Arbitration Isn’t That Bad[/url]

Interesting article.[/quote]

We're really aren't in terrible shape cap wise. A few creative moves here and there and we're fine. No need to go crazy and start cutting guys.

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My reaction exactly
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[quote=Dirtbag59;918180]My reaction exactly
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I have to 2nd this.

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

I say proceed to federal court and do anything possible to attack Goodell and the other 29 teams.

I feel like going nuclear over this.

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

Well wonder if they will appeal this to the Supreme Court? As that is the highest of all courts. But doubt they will say the same thing too. And deny them as well.

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=SkinsHulk;918186]I say proceed to federal court and do anything possible to attack Goodell and the other 29 teams.

I feel like going nuclear over this.[/quote]

Calm down, I don't like you when you're angry.

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;918188]Calm down, I don't like you when you're angry.[/quote]

Well according to his latest film he's angry all the time. Maybe we need someone who could cause serious damage to 280 Park Avenue?

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=SkinsHulk;918186]I say proceed to federal court and do anything possible to attack Goodell and the other 29 teams.

I feel like going nuclear over this.[/quote]

Matty, you launch a media assault throughout the blogosphere;
SmootSmack, create an insider buzz providing top cover in the traditional media outlets;
Hoophead and I will stay here and draw the lawyers to us with careful citation to the NFL bylaws;

SkinsHulk ... Smash!!

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4692913/why-redskins-cowboys-appeal-was-denied]Why Redskins, Cowboys appeal was denied - Dallas Cowboys Blog - ESPN Dallas[/url]

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=SkinsHulk;918186]I say proceed to federal court and do anything possible to attack Goodell and the other 29 teams.

I feel like going nuclear over this.[/quote]

I say put flaming bags of dog doo on the front porches of Mara and Goodell and ring their doorbells. Then drop all legal actions and move on to other things.

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

I'm not a cap geek but a few things here. If there wasn't an uncapped year the Redskins could not have dumped these shitty salaries. Right? So if that was the case then they wouldn't have had the cap room anyway. Right? I'm not one to side with anything the league does but the Redskins were wrong here. This was an unwritten rule among the other owners who are Snyder's business partners. I'm sure a lot of them shook their heads when Haynesworth was signed cause that meant the price goes up for them to sign their own guys. Did any of the other owners dump their shitty contracts? I guess the Cowboys did. Lesson to the Redskins...don't sign players w/ questionable character to large contracts.

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Not sure why fans are so mad towards Roger Goodell about this. It wasn't him that initiated this stuff, it was the other owners. Roger is doing exactly what the other owners are wanting him to, it just so happens that 2 of the other owners aren't agreeing with the sanctions.

If you want to be mad, be mad at the other NFL owners (minus Tampa Bay) as they all voted in favor of the sanctions.

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[quote=NC_Skins;918274]Not sure why fans are so mad towards Roger Goodell about this. It wasn't him that initiated this stuff, it was the other owners. Roger is doing exactly what the other owners are wanting him to, it just so happens that 2 of the other owners aren't agreeing with the sanctions.

If you want to be mad, be mad at the other NFL owners (minus Tampa Bay) as they all voted in favor of the sanctions.[/quote]

well said

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=NC_Skins;918274]Not sure why fans are so mad towards Roger Goodell about this. It wasn't him that initiated this stuff, it was the other owners. Roger is doing exactly what the other owners are wanting him to, it just so happens that 2 of the other owners aren't agreeing with the sanctions.

If you want to be mad, be mad at the other NFL owners (minus Tampa Bay) as they all voted in favor of the sanctions.[/quote]

A lot of people don't like Roger Goddell because he fines popular players a great deal of money. James Harrison, Jonathan Vilma, etc. Fred Smoot got on the radio just a few months ago and called Goddell a dictator.

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;918306]A lot of people don't like Roger Goddell because he fines popular players a great deal of money. James Harrison, Jonathan Vilma, etc. Fred Smoot got on the radio just a few months ago and called Goddell a dictator.[/quote]

Are these the same people that don't like the popular players because they get paid a great deal of money?

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[quote=SBXVII;918152]And that's the back side to all this. He needs to drop the parking cost, drop the price of food and beverages and anything else he has control of simply tell the league the bad economy is effecting his stadium also so other teams get less revenue from the Redskins. Screw the league over in the long run by not generating a lot of income to have revenue shared from. Drop the price of seats significantly and cry its because of the economy. Make just enough money to pay the bills and players.[/quote]

Parking, concessions, and luxury box revenue isn't shared with other teams. A portion of regular (non-luxury box) gate receipts is shared.

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;918306]A lot of people don't like Roger Goddell because he fines popular players a great deal of money. James Harrison, Jonathan Vilma, etc. Fred Smoot got on the radio just a few months ago and called Goddell a dictator.[/quote]

I think most people....fans and players dislike him. He was even booed at this years draft. But regardless of what we think, he's here to stay.

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The head cheese is always the bad guy in any walk of life.

He's got a tough job to do, and I think he does his best to protect the league.

Re: Redskins' and Cowboys' Salary Cap Challenge Dismissed
 

[quote=skinsfan69;918357]I think most people....fans and players dislike him.[/quote]


....and I think you're wrong.Most fans think he's doing a pretty good job and it's only the players that are screw ups that dislike him.

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[quote=Giantone;918393]....and I think you're wrong.Most fans think he's doing a pretty good job and it's only the players that are screw ups that dislike him.[/quote]+

Well I think you're w/out question wrong. I highly doubt fans like what he's doing to the league. None of the fans I know like the guy. And I'm almost certain the players don't like him. Not the case with Paul T. He was a well respected man by both the players and owners. Not everyone liked him, but again, he was respected. Not the case with Mr. Castro.

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I think this video pretty much summed up how this all went down.

Bruce Willis = Redskins and Cowboys
German Terrorist = NFL Owners plus Goodell
Alan = DeMaurice Smith and the Players Union
Dead Body + Bullets = Evidence.

Enjoy
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[quote=skinsfan69;918357]I think most people....fans and players dislike him. He was even booed at this years draft. But regardless of what we think, he's here to stay.[/quote]
Under his watch the NFL is enjoying.....unprecedented popularity and shows no signs of any trend reversal......Can't really buy "everybody" hates him sort of thing.....
Those folks that FU and have to fade the heat for it...OK